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honestly kinda fucking hilarious how many tumblr queers wax eloquent about the importance of leather in the queer community and the rich history of leather queers and kinky fuckery, and then like. literally 10 seconds later reblog a callout for someone based on their ageplay and incest kinks. Hey. Hey guys. What do you think the "daddy" in "leather daddy" means, quick

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I'm gonna say it.

It's unhinged to assume that someone's taste in fiction equates to what they believe is moral or good, or is something they want to see or experience in real life.

That is a bonkers assumption to make.

I'm tired of humoring people with long arguments about it when the simple fact is it is a totally fucking absurd reach to accuse someone who enjoys something in fiction of being in favor of it in real life.

I'm tired of pretending like this is a legitimate position to hold-- that they should be afraid of fiction's dire influence on a reader's moral decay or that it's a sign of what the author secretly wants for realsies in real life.

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Hi guys! Sorry for not being active recently :) I'm still here though!

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"Fiction is not a 1:1 reflection of reality" and "the U.S. military doesn't support and finance American action movies and video games for fun" are concepts that can and should coexist

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AITA for reporting my friend to the discord mods?

I (17F) joined a server with my friend Andy (19M) that was for shipping ocs/self-inserts with canon characters. The mods Nia (17F), Todd (17M), and Ann (17F) invited us to the server through a mutual friend Tia (18F).

Andy shipped his self-insert with one of the characters that was 17. And since this was his self-insert, the oc would be 19 too. I did not think that was a good thing cause he was an adult and the character was a minor, so I secretly reported him to Nia, Todd, and Ann. I logged off for a few hours and came back to see that Andy had been banned from the server for pedophilia and to protect the other minors in the server.

Andy had sent a few dms to me complaining about being banned for something so harmless. I argued that pedophilia was not harmless. That was when he got angry at me and demanded that I tell him if I was the one that reported him. I told him that I had and he yelled at me for doing that. Andy argued that it was only a two year age gap. But I told him that since he was 19 that made him an adult and that the character was 17 thus still a minor. Because of that, that would be pedophilia, so he was in the wrong.

Andy apparently messaged Tia about it all because she came into my dms saying that I was wrong to do that. I told her that I did it for the safety of everyone else in the server and the minor characters cause it was weird for a 19 year old (a clear adult) to want to date a 17 year old. Tia said that she was going to convince Nia, Todd, and Ann to unban Andy because that wasn't real pedophilia, and that it was not a concerning thing to have a 19 year old and 17 year old date. She also said that a fictional character didn't need protecting and that they had no real feelings. She also said I was an asshole for getting Andy banned and protecting a fictional character over a real person with feelings.

AITA?

What are these acronyms?

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I'm sorry but saying "don't write dark or taboo fiction or at least keep it private because it might trigger someone or someone might get off to it." is exactly like saying "don't talk about the abuse you suffered because it might trigger someone or someone might get off to it."

It is the exact same thing. Telling someone they aren't allowed to talk about their own lived experience because some random stranger might be triggered, made uncomfortable, or even aroused by it is unbelievably fucking disgusting.

Whether someone is writing dark/taboo fiction to cope or not is 100% irrelevant because someone else's trauma is not your business, and you can't know.

You shouldn't tell a victim to never talk about their trauma, so you shouldn't tell people what they can and cannot write about, because at the end of the day, you don't know and it's not your business. Block and mute things/people you don't want to see, and move the fuck on with your life.

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Hazbin Hotel discourse is a trip because it's like. "Wow, it's pretty fucked up how they're making light of serious topics :-/"

My brother in Christ you are a South Park fan

Moreover I've hated that people hate it because it's edgy humor, like. "It's Family Guy for Tumblr!!" Okay like. What if I actually like edgy humor made by women and queer people. Why are things made by women and queer people have to be sensitive and wholesome. Maybe I want gross and raunchy that's not oriented around a straight dude audience.

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this one anti with 7k followers in the trolls fandom is allegedly “exposing proshitters” so people know who to block even though it resulted in a couple of death threats that were sent to the people he intentionally put on blast (his own words).

he also called someone a freak for asking him to be left alone and then excused it with “I’m only doing this because you draw triggering things!”

like okay but that is targeted harassment. And that’s exactly what proshippers are calling out. You don’t have to like the people or the art they make/like but you’re exposing them and their nsfw content to minors. You’re 22, stop acting like a child

ugh yeah seriously

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first 4 episodes of Hazbin Hotel came out and I'm already battening the hatches for the Discourse. there was already a lot of shit being flung around cause someone leaked some screenshots/clips of one of the main characters experiencing sexual assault (it's not super graphic but uh. it's also not slipping under the radar either) and people accusing Vivzie and the other crew of being rape fetishists and all kinds of other stuff... when I'm pretty sure Vivzie has said that she herself is a survivor of sexual assault. I just wanna watch the fun show about the fucked up demons man. But my blocklist is about to balloon in size, I feel.

ugh

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Peace and love, my friends! :)

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Remember that Neil Gaiman is on our side. Check out "why defend icky speech".

Hey anon! Apologies for the late answer, but you're absolutely right; Neil Gaiman's speech is filled with good information, as well as great points against the prosecution of fiction. This paragraph from the speech, I feel, is very important:

"... When Mike Diana was prosecuted -- and, in 1996, found guilty -- of obscenity for the comics in his Zine "Boiled Angel", and sentenced to a host of things, including (if memory serves) a three year suspended prison sentence, a three thousand dollar fine, not being allowed to be in the same room as anyone under eighteen, over a thousand hours of community service, and was forbidden to draw anything else that anyone might consider obscene, with the local police ordered to make 24 hour unannounced spot checks to make sure Mike wasn't secretly committing Art in the small hours of the morning..." - Paragraph 24

The world that antis want is very similar to what actually happened in this paragraph: for creators of "problematic" media to get prosecuted, and their works made illegal. This world is one that is obviously regressive, and limits the artistic freedom of fiction for everyone- even antis themselves.

"Because if you don't stand up for the stuff you don't like, when they come for the stuff you do like, you've already lost." - Neil Gaiman

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Do y'all remember when this was a normal thing to see all over the place? Because I do. I remember seeing and posting this image everywhere when I was like 12-15.

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"im sorry to tell you but this is unfortunately fetish art :( " you’re a coward and a fool. tell me what about eroticism makes it lose value as a piece of art. tell me in what way is lust a less worthy feeling to be depicted in art than anger or joy or sadness or any other human emotion. why did you like it before and why do you not like it now? what changed? why does it upset you? what makes it bad now, what makes it gross, what makes it wrong? do you reject what you dont understand? do you let your gut reaction dictate what you deem bad? what you deem immoral? whats allowed to exist and what isnt?

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I´ve lately seen many young peeps in fandom spaces, worrying about openly shipping their ships because of what antis might do

so let me tell you something:

antis are huge losers who are gonna find something to hate you for no matter what you do

even if you ship EXACTLY what they ship, theyre gonna yell at you for "not shipping it right"

so, my piece of advice: just do whatever you want and tear up the house! antis are gonna hate no matter what, so ignore them and find some good companions by being yourself

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ever notice how 90% of antishipping arguments come down to "okay ao you didnt do anything wrong but you did things a Bad Person might do"

like you forgot to have a step between "this makes me feel bad because it superficially reminds me of a bad thing" and "this is morally wrong"

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It has been brought to my attention that @problematicotpdaily has been terminated. It's a shame that this is such a common situation in our community.

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Peace and love to planet proship :) treat yourself! 💕