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Even if it isn't Lilith behind this blog, it's still a bad idea to beat a dead horse. This situation lost relevance nearly a month ago, everyone moved on, and Lilith has already left the fandom. So why bring it up again? Additionally, there are double standards at play here. To put it frankly, your actions don't put you in a better light than the-n109-zone when it comes to drawing attention to petty drama, discussing situations involving victims who requested multiple times to be left out of the conversation, and making claims about Lilith without providing any proof.

You must understand that saying Lilith "seems like so and so" or "acts like this or that" lacks credibility compared to the original callout post, which included actual links and screenshots to support its claims. Similarly, sharing your opinions on a blank blog doesn't hold up against genuine testimonies from former friends who had the courage to attach their names to their statements. Their claims are at least consistent with each other, which raises the question: do you actually care about believing victims, or are you trying to invalidate their experiences simply because they didn't provide enough evidence?

Additionally, you can't demand more evidence from others when you're hypocritically sharing your own personal opinions with nothing to back them up. As an example, saying "Lilith seems like a bad friend is all, it's not that deep" holds no weight when someone else provides links, screenshots, and personal testimonies of Lilith talking badly about their former workmates and friends. Do you understand what I'm saying? This isn't a dig at you either, but you need to know that you have no grounds to demand more proof--or act like the proof you've already been given is insufficient--when all you have been doing is saying "um actually" then listing your own personal opinion as to why you think it's untrue.

If you genuinely want justice for Lilith, this is not the way to achieve it. Supporters should want the best for Lilith and everyone else involved; this includes holding them accountable for Lilith's mistakes, demanding a better apology, standing with their victims and those who called them out, and respecting their decision to leave the fandom for self-improvement. Trying to clear Lilith of any misdeeds is doing more harm than good to their reputation, especially as you're unintentionally tarnishing Lilith's name while they're not here. I mean, people already speculate that this blog is run by Lilith, you're circulating their dirty laundry and bringing more attention to it, you're aggravating and provoking the-n109-zone to respond by directly mentioning them in your post, and you're bringing up private situations involving victims who requested many times not to be involved. In my honest opinion, it's time to reevaluate the purpose of this blog.

(Holy hell, this is quite a bit to respond to. Alright, since there’s so much to cover, I’m going to break this down into sections and explain my reasoning as I go. Hopefully, this will offer a thorough and well-thought-out explanation.)

For your first point, you mention the relevance of the situation and note that everything went down about a month ago. My OCD and my studies played a significant role in that. I simply didn’t have the time or mental fortitude to make it sooner. That said, damage was still done, and there were no follow-ups from the person who made the callout. I’ll refer to them as Zone from here on out for clarity. The post is still public and continues to receive attention, so I don’t believe I’m beating a dead horse by critiquing it.

Your second point suggests that I’m less credible and hypocritical because my arguments are mostly opinion-based, while Zone provided screenshots and links. I hear you, but if you think those screenshots offered even a shred of credibility, then maybe I didn’t do a good enough job of highlighting how absurd they were. Perhaps that’s something I should correct.

“Do you actually care about believing victims, or are you trying to invalidate their experiences simply because they didn't provide enough evidence?” This made me question whether you fully read my post. I never questioned the experiences of, nor asked for proof from, anyone except Zone, the person who made the public callout. If you were referring to something else, then please clarify, because I genuinely have no idea what that’s about.

“Additionally, you can't demand more evidence from others when you're hypocritically sharing your own personal opinions with nothing to back them up.” Actually, I can. If someone is making public accusations against another person, then it’s their responsibility to provide solid evidence to back those claims. The burden of proof doesn’t fall on me to disprove a negative. If something didn’t exist, then how exactly would I prove that?

Lastly, I think you’re misunderstanding my intentions. I’m not here to white-knight for Lilith. I’ve already said in other asks that there’s a good chance they might be toxic behind the scenes. My point is that there are many communities where false allegations and rumors run rampant, and I don’t want that kind of environment to take root here. I would have made my post regardless of which creator was being targeted. If simply pointing out the flaws in an argument used to dogpile someone is enough to further tarnish that person’s reputation, that really speaks to the mentality people are already adopting: guilty until proven innocent.

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For someone who says they're not an insider you sure talk like you are.

Ngl, I think I'd take the word of people who knew and dealt with Lilith personally, and who've had first hand experience with them themselves over some random who suspiciously comes out of nowhere with an otherwise empty account

People don't just wake up one day and go Hey! We suddenly don't like you!

Moreover you say you've reached out to Lilith? Then why haven't you also reached out to their former friends?

Okay, I think some people may have misunderstood the intention behind my defense post about Lilith. I’m not trying to defend their personal character. I don’t know Lilith beyond being a viewer of their RH blog, and I can’t vouch for them as a person. Even if I could, I have no interest in invalidating anyone’s experiences.

I’ve seen the testimony of some of their former friends, and I don’t doubt that they had a bad experience. I agree that Lilith seems like they can be a toxic person and a bad friend. That said, my defense was not about their personal drama or friendships.

My post specifically addressed the callout made against Lilith. In it, they were accused of racism, ableism, being a proshipper flip-flop, a bully, and a stalker. All of this was backed by evidence that was, frankly, laughably weak, if even that. The entire situation came across as vindictive, petty, and extremely biased.

As for why I reached out to Lilith and not their former friends, two reasons. I only encouraged Lilith to speak up. I wasn’t trying to gather evidence from them. My post was focused solely on that specific callout. I wasn’t handling the situation as a full investigative journalist. From what I could tell, Lilith’s former friends seem to want to move on. I didn’t want to bother them, and I didn’t see a compelling reason to do so.

Now, regarding my credibility, does it really matter? If I’m pointing out inconsistencies and sticking to the facts, why should my identity matter? The evidence should speak for itself.

(But if you really want to know, I have an empty account because I have OCD that affects my creativity. I reread and rework things obsessively until the process becomes exhausting, and eventually, I give up. I have several half-finished private projects that will never see the light of day. Even writing that defense post was difficult, and I almost deleted it multiple times.)

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do you think saint is a liar?

Uh, no. Where would you even get that idea? She’s one of the least messy and most reliable people in that community.

And don’t get me twisted, just because I defended Lilith doesn’t mean I’m going to shit on Sai. I call things as I see them, and I’m not about to take part in some ‘us vs. them’ tug-of-war.

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i agree with what you’ve said, but i think there’s still something off with lilith based off their + their circle’s behavior.

like almost all their close friends (from what i’ve observed at least) have seemed to at least stopped associating with them. plus their own behavior— just giving up, posting a vague apology, and leaving without saying anything else or trying to disprove anything.

of course, that could probably just be a product of all the other harassment lilith has gone through. their friends’ behavior could just be read as a really bad friend group fall out like you said. still, while the callout post’s argument kinda sucks, i don’t think lilith is all that innocent. their friends dipped pretty easily after the callout post

I don’t think Lilith is completely innocent either. I remember a semi-big drama involving them, maybe two years ago, with Sushi, where Lilith falsely accused them of being their stalker. That led to Sushi receiving hate and their friends turning on them without a second thought. And honestly, I’m always side-eyeing people who are kinda moral grandstanding.

It wouldn’t surprise me if Lilith had a toxic side or wasn’t the best friend. That said, is personal friendship drama really a cancellable offense?

As for their friends dropping them, if the Sushi drama taught me anything, it’s that people don’t need much evidence to turn on someone at the drop of a hat. Maybe it’s a case of crowd mentality, where people think, “If so many others are saying this, it must be true.”

Or maybe they do know something we don’t. But if you’re going to publicly call someone out in an attempt to ruin their reputation, then I think the evidence should be made public.

That said, if people come forward with solid proof, I’ll support it and retract my defense of Lilith. But considering how many people were ready to back slanderous claims based on screenshots that often didn’t even make sense, I have serious doubts that will happen.

As for Lilith leaving abruptly, they seem like a very soft person to me, as in, they don’t have a thick skin. Through all of their past dramas and the harassment surrounding them, they always had people to support them. But this time, aside from me, I haven’t seen a single person willing to defend them or even mention the sheer lack of evidence in the call-out. Which is mind-boggling. They probably got a huge influx of hate, on top of losing all of their friends in the community. I imagine Lilith left because they no longer saw a point in sticking around. I did try messaging them to encourage them to speak up, but I never got a response.

(Lol sorry for the wall of writing, by the way. I’m probably way too invested in an internet drama I literally have no part in.)

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Ok Lily

When you’ve got no argument, trying to discredit me is all you’ve got left. That says more about you than it does about me, Anon.

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I also think it’s kind of weird that they’ve said that they would remove the mentions of ppl from the post who aren’t involved in the situation , but then never actually has done it (even after literally being asked in the comments and telling ‘creating black characters’ they would.)

I understand visibility but telling people you’ll remove their mention from the call out and then choosing not to even after they asked you and you confirmed, its a little weird?

I haven’t been super involved in the situation so I don’t want to speak on what’s true or not but it’s just something that i noticed

I'm not an insider in the situation either, but people can't go around making callout posts that serious with screenshots that have zero context and don't even support their points. I don't want to outright call that person a clout-chaser, because maybe they genuinely believed what they were saying and just wanted to spread the word as broadly as they could. But the more I look at it, the more malicious it seems. It feels like there was some kind of fallout in a friend group, and now there's a group of people who don't like Lilith, and they've all gassed each other up into painting Lilith as a villain and interpreting their actions in the worst light possible. For example, they labeled Lilith a racist for assuming a dark-skinned character was Black, even though many people thought the same, given there weren't any indicators otherwise. That feels pretty bad faith, don’t you think?

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Smear-campaign of @queenlilithprime

Hey everyone, Nearly a month ago, a user by the name of @the-n109-zone made a hit piece on Lilith, accusing them of being a racist, ableist, stalker, and bully. I’ve decided to make a post of my own, picking apart all of these allegations and their "evidence." (The post in question: https://www.tumblr.com/the-n109-zone/781459318628335616/tw-racism-ableism-homophobia-stalking)

(I’ve been on Tumblr for years, but I’ve never actually made a post before so bear with me if I post like a boomer.)

"They showed ignorance as a developer and made homophobia accusations towards the developers of Love & Deepspace."

Yes, Lilith did call the devs homophobic. And? It was their personal opinion, shared as an explanation for why they didn’t want that game mentioned on their server. It wasn’t a callout or a hit piece. Do you really expect them to create a PowerPoint presentation over a brief explanation of why something made them uncomfortable? This argument is completely unserious.

"They made most of these claims on their developer accounts, which has many impressionable followers."

Lilith was asked a question and responded by setting a boundary in their community. As far as you've shown, there’s only been one post about Love & Deepspace on their RH account, where they simply explained their stance. And let’s be real: their audience is made up of adults, fully capable of looking into the situation and forming their own opinions. Infantilizing adult followers is insulting. Lilith should not be attacked for expressing an opinion and establishing a boundary.

"They have spoken poorly about the developer of YOU and HIM behind their back."

The screenshot you provided shows light criticism at best. Lilith expressed concern and frustration. There was no trash talk, no insults. What exactly is the issue here?

"They have shown stalkerish behavior regarding 14 Days With You. Lilith has an obsession with digging up old posts made by 14dayswithyou and scrutinizing them for any flaws."

So... exactly what you’re doing to Lilith? Do you not see the hypocrisy? The so-called “stalkerish behavior” you’ve provided is weak. The first post has no context and doesn't even mention 14Days or Cutiesai. The second is a vent post on a vent account. Lilith was clearly upset about feeling misled by a game they were invested in. The horror. The third post? No context at all. I can only assume it's about 14Days, but even then, it’s just a snarky comment. And the last one? Lilith states that a narrative being spread about a situation they were part of is misinformation. That’s not stalking. This whole argument is a reach.

"They are obsessed with the downfall of 14dayswithyou to the point where they weaponized and used creatingblackcharacters to reach their goal."

This entire claim hinges on the assumption that Lilith is Galacticglados, based only on writing style and mutual interactions. That’s flimsy at best. But even if they were the same person, what’s the worst you’ve got? Pettiness? That's not stalking. It’s frustrating how casually people throw around a term like “stalker” when they clearly don’t understand its seriousness.

"They're a racist who assumes all dark-skinned people are Black."

Most people will assume a dark-skinned character with no cultural markers is black. I’d bet you thought the same until you saw a clarification post. Are we supposed to wait for creator confirmation every time before referring to a character as black? Come on. Lilith made a mistake. That point is ridiculous.

"They're ableist and made a horrible joke about cancer."

It was dark humor, and they apologized. Come on, you're fishing for any tiny thing Lilith has said to justify condemning them. Be for real.

"They're a virtue signaller who tries to get in the good graces of mainstream accounts despite being a hypocrite."

I disagree. I’ve been in this community from nearly the start, and I’ve seen Lilith engage with just about everyone. Many of the smaller creators either quit or abandoned their accounts. Of course Lilith isn’t still interacting with them. And Lilith has a stalker that has harassed them as well as other creators for years. They may not feel safe interacting with people outside of their already established friend group anymore.

"Lilith supported proshipping after reblogging a statement from fantasia-kitt, despite stating 'no proshipping' on their blog and not apologizing for banning my friend on Discord for liking similar content."

“Anti-proshipping” is vague and debated, and definitions vary wildly. From what I’ve seen, it's usually people against pedophilia and incest. Neither of which are endorsed by The Kid At The Back. The post they reblogged was about fans romanticizing soft yanderes and getting upset when the character turns out to be actually unhinged. That isn’t a proship debate. Also, your claim that your friend was banned makes the whole point feel incredibly biased. You’ve shown no proof of why they were banned. For all we know, they weren’t honest with you about the reason.

"Testimonies from other people: These will be from aggrieved Discord members since that is where most of my friends are active, but I can add anonymous Tumblr testimonies too."

So, no actual evidence. Just opinions from your own circle, who you've already said are upset with Lilith. Great. Listen, I don’t know Lilith personally, and maybe there’s something deeper going on behind the scenes, but you can’t make such monstrous allegations with the laughably flimsy evidence you’ve provided. This shit is serious. If you can’t properly back up your claims, then don’t post them publicly.

If what you’ve said does turn out to be true, then I’m more than willing to take my stance back and admit that I'm wrong. But you actually have to prove it.