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Beware!

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some unfinished persephone thoughts for today

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Okay, I watched Our Flag Means Death and *mouth opens unnaturally wide to reveal a black void and a terrible shriek begins to emanate*

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Crash

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lets goooooooooooo

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Does AO3 author o2doko have a Tumblr, and if not, where can I find them? it is imperative that I inform them their Arthurian retelling "Seasongs" shattered my heart and I will never recover

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so you wanna get into arthurian medieval lit? well, here’s the post for you babes!

have you ever looked at at my blog and been like “what the fuck is ellian talking about? anyways i have to get in on that” well here it is babes, all laid out.

this is partially out of convenience for me whenever anyone asks me how to get started on arthuriana but also because it’s something that you can easily save and refer back to, all in one handy little post<3

What is Arthuriana?

Arthuriana is a living tradition, a body of work that has evolved for a millennium and derives from the Welsh and Breton traditions. There is no one select body of literature or work that IS arthurian canon, although a shared common perception of what embodies arthurian literature exists. Throughout history, different interpretations have come to the light and others have withered and so on and so forth — it’s a very, very rich tradition and it’s genuinely my favorite thing.

So…where do I start?

Now, that’s the question! I would say, pick your favorite knight and go from there — but chances are if you’re looking into how to start arthurian medieval lit, you don’t know much of the knights + you want a more succinct path on how to get started, which is the purpose of this post (:

A lot of people read either Malory’s Le Morte d’Arthur or Sir Gawain and the Green Knight as their first foray into arthurian medieval lit and I get it — oftentimes, that’s simply what has been exposed to people in previous English classes and whatnot. However, I would genuinely recommend not to start with either of these texts — Le Morte is one of the longer texts and its prose is especially dense if you have not had any prior experience + SGATGK’s themes revolve very heavily around that of honor, chivalric duty, and vassalship which can go over reader’s heads if they are not used to topics employed in arthurian literature. (I have a post on it here if you’re ever curious!)

PDFS + EPUBS and the like (as well as the order of what I would recommend in starting arthurian medieval lit)

[1] The Lai of Lanval by Marie de France.

Summary: Lanval is a knight down on his luck — that is until he catches the eye of the Faerie Queen who proceeds to take him as her consort. The only catch is that he cannot tell the rest of the Court that he is in a relationship with her, or else he will never see her again. But of course, all the knights are perplexed because how does Lanval, who has very little wealth, all of a sudden have all these riches?? Anyways, Guinevere and Lanval have a spat and then Lanval is put on trial and the Faerie Queen has to come save his ass. It’s so enjoyable.

Links:

The Judith P. Shoaf translation (PDF) and my personal favorite<3

The Jessie L. Weston translation (available as HTML, EPUB, KINDLE, PLAIN TEXT)

[2] Chevrefoil by Marie de France.

Summary: Another lai from Marie de France… it revolves around that of Tristan and Isolde and is the sweetest, most romantic thing I’ve ever read. The hazel and the honeysuckle. Marie de France knew that in 1000 years, the gays would lose their shit over this still.

Links:

The Judith P. Shoaf translation (PDF)

[3] Sir Lancelot and the Hart with the White Foot.

Summary: This one is from the Dutch tradition of arthuriana which is arguably one of my favorites. Despite it being named after Lancelot, Gawain (his name is written as “Walewein” but that’s him) is the central character as he often is in arthurian medieval lit (genuinely guys…like 80% of arthurian works revolve around Gawain it’s…main character syndrome). There is a dog in here and Lancelot and Gawain are homoerotic with one another. It’s relatively short and HIGHLY enjoyable.

Links:

PDF

[4] Yvain: Knight of the Lion by Chrétien de Troyes. [Do NOT read Lancelot: Knight of the Cart first, trust me on this]

Summary: This is the longest work of them all on this list and I genuinely believe that it is the BEST longer work to start with, a lot of the more well known knights star in here too such as Arthur and Gawain, but this work is the BEST for introducing not only the concept of the knightly body but how the knightly body is tied with identity and honor, and ultimately, redemption. The story starts out with Yvain attempting to seek revenge on his cousin’s behalf and to restore his cousin’s honor because Calgrenant got his ass kicked by this one knight. Yvain ends up defeating the knight who was in actually, lord of this one castle. Yvain then marries Esclados’ widow, Laudine, through the help of her maid, Lynette/Luned. Yvain’s marriage is super happy and great, but it all goes wrong when Gawain comes to Court and mentions that Yvain has been slacking on his duty as Arthur’s knight (vassalship!) and Yvain thus goes out and basically parties with Gawain on the agreement with Laudine that he will return within a year or else there will be consequences; he is gifted with Laudine’s ring as a symbol of their love and devotion. However, Yvain parties TOO hard and forgets, and as much, one of Laudine’s maids makes it to Camelot after a year and says that Laudine eschews Yvain and to hand the ring over in FRONT OF THE ENTIRETY OF THE COURT. Yvain, goes mad, and lives feral in the woods for a bit before taming a lion and seeking his redemption and honor under the moniker of the “Knight of the Lion” as “Sir Yvain” is tarnished as he neither upheld the laws of chivalry nor duty to both his lord, Arthur, and to his wife (you can see the beginning themes that are so often in medieval lit mainly the knightly body and identity and chivalry! This text is a REALLY good gateway to it versus SGATGK which deals with similar topics but is considerably harder to have a grasp on). The rest is basically his redemption quest and he meets up with Lynette/Luned who has been imprisoned and together they rush to go aid Laudine who has been pressured to remarry once more by the nobles in her court.

Links:

The 1987 translation of it and the one I recommend<3 (PDF)

The William Wistar Comfort translation (HTML, EPUB, KINDLE, PLAIN TEXT)

Likewise if you’re curious, I have an entire (somewhat) cheat sheet on Arthurian characters + the major works if you want to use and refer back to it! Here is the link. CW for mentions of sexual assault and rape.

My friend Lou @/gringolet also has a post on getting into arthurian medieval literature! If you want to check his out, it’s here.

I am going to have another post up soon with a compilation of all my favorite translations + a giant masterlist of all links in one place for ease of use (: I’ll link that here and update this once that is done. (That one will have more well known texts and my favorites like the Alliterative Morte Darthure and the Bruts and the like<3)

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resources for sir gawain and the green knight

So. You want to read Sir Gawain and the Green Knight before the movie comes out or you’ve watched it and you want to read the text itself or you just want to read SGATGK in general and you stumbled upon this. Either way, welcome!

The author to SGATGK is unknown however people refer to him under the moniker of “Pearl Poet”. It’s quite interesting in that the characterization OF Gawain himself is very, very atypical of the medieval arthurian literature of this time (although I personally chalk this up to it being Gawain’s first quest however the amount of which Pearl Poet himself thought of matters such as this is up for debate lol). I would say however that SGATGK is a VERY hard text and not a text I personally recommend for people who are getting into arthurian medieval literature for the first time (here is a post with four texts that I recommend to read first before attempting either SGATGK or god forbid, Malory’s Le Morte d’Arthur, which personally, is so-so at best in comparison to the Stanzaic or the Alliterative. This link leads you to works by Marie de France and Chrétien de Troyes and discusses briefly what arthuriana is with a summary of the texts and links as well!) — I actually have a link here discussing SGATGK’s themes of honor, chivalric duty, and vassalship which can go over reader’s heads if they are not used to topics employed in arthurian literature.

Anyways, here’s links to some of the best SGATGK translations:

[1] The Raffel Translation. Link here as PDF.

This is my PERSONAL favorite as well as the preferred translation of Lou @/gringolet and Valentine @/lanzelet (and I believe Rey @/reynier also likes this one best) so you know it’s not just me aslkfjdsalfas.

[2] The Morris Translation. Link here as HTML, ePub, and Plain Text.

I believe this is the one that a majority of people read. It’s not bad by any means however it is the most accessible one.

[3] The Armitage Translation. Link here as PDF. (THE ONE I WOULD RECOMMEND IF YOU HAVE NEVER READ ARTHURIAN MEDIEVAL LIT BEFORE AND YOU HAVE NOT READ MY INTO TO ARTHURIAN LITERATURE POST ABOVE.)

This one takes a lot of liberties in terms of translation however Armitage has done an amazing job in making sure that the diction and the feel and the rhythm of the text still exists in modern day English. I would say that even if you have read through my Intro to Arthurian Medieval Lit post and if you still find reading medieval text difficult (because it is!) and you can’t seem to get through either the Raffel or the Morris, read this one. I’ve also read this one multiple times, it really is lovely despite not being an exact precise translation.

[4] Obligatory JRR Tolkien Translation. Link here and here.

Not my personal favorite but I know that there are JRR Tolkien enthusiasts who will jump at this so.

[5] The Borroff Translation. Link here as PDF.

Honestly I read this and I barely remember it but I remember thinking that it was okay so I’m highlighting this one too.

@/sorlouser has a giant masterpost as well with a BUNCH of SGATGK translations (20+) so also check this post out for more! (:

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Arthurian mythology nerds follow me this is going to become an Arthurian myth stan account

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I can't even take you seriously at this point. You're decrying the lack of nuance and then you make batshit statements like "genocide and slavery happens more often under collectivist societies." Seek education & help.

@saintofskeptics except all of those happen under collectivism too, and have happened far more often under collectivist societies. And most of the shitty things happening still in America aren’t what you idiots in the notes are saying they are. Nuance exists and y’all aren’t practicing that.

Considering most of those societies have less freedom for individuals than America does; no you can’t. You’re not free if your personal freedoms are thought less important than the collective.

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I fear I'm gonna have to ask for rent help soon, since our rent is going up to $1400, and we will be staying where we're at

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These bitches gay! Good 4 them

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Maybe I'm like coming down w smth but I love art so much it makes me wanna cry. Everything feels so devoid of meaning but not this. not this.

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Today some others and I were conversing about a show, and tell me why the only thing my brain thought to contribute to the conversation was something unhinged I'd read in a fanfic once. Luckily something in me was like "woah, that's not canon." But like. Apparently it had stayed with me for so long I thought it was canon until realizing it wasn't just then.

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ok i’m remaking this post because the last one has basically died. basically, we are homeless right now. my mom has a medical procedure coming up that requires anesthesia. this is something that she has to do or else she won’t be able to function normally. we need money for her to have a driver and a place to stay for a couple nights at a motel to recover. unfortunately it’s required that she has someone sit in the waiting room during the procedure so she needs a special kind of driver that can do that (i can’t go with her because we have a dog that obviously cannot be left alone). in total is is $350 (i am subtracting the amount we made from the last post for the new amount below) and we need it before october 17th. because we are homeless we are always in a life-or-death situation and she cannot risk not doing this. anything helps and please please reblog this. we need this as soon as possible since we have so little time remaining. thank you <3

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