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Idk if this is a relatively common meme format but I saw this (but just another fandom, I didn’t even change the text) and just had to make a cookie run version of it.

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Decided to turn my post of "maybe antis and proshippers should understand each other better and have more sympathy for one another and analyze each other's arguments to have better beef with one another" that then turned into "damn these proshipper people in the reblogs are kinda stupid" into one giant post. Enjoy!

(Gonna put this out their first but I do identify as an anti so if you want to block and move on that’s fine but I put way to much effort in this argument for people to ignore so please read first before judging me (and I even told you I was an anti so I’m full of joy and whimsy (totally) (yep)))

A lot of proshippers are going to use this as a gotcha for antis being hypocrites about fiction (in fact, op is a proshipper), but that isn’t really the case. Antis really do hate censorship most of the time. Although I haven’t been following proship anti discourse for very long, I have been lurking in a anti-leaning community (some identifying with the label) for a while now, a fandom with the canon source material covering topics such as self harm, abuse, and mental health, which fell apart due to the creator being revealed to be friends with a bunch of groomers.

Of course antis would be fine with abusing fictional children instead of real ones! Real children have feelings, thoughts, and desires! Fictional children are play-things in which people can attach certain things to them! A real life child would have to go to therapy and get good coping mechanisms for their trauma, and heal from it. A fictional child, is a simple drawing.

However, it does not mean it cannot affect real life.

Take a look at a comedy, and how it makes you laugh. If it didn’t affect reality, then you should be bored out of your mind. Take a look at a piece of media that made you cry. If it didn’t affect reality, then you wouldn’t even shed a tear. Hell, if it didn’t affect reality, then I don’t think you would be so attached to a piece of media to draw fan art and make stories from it. Propaganda exists for a reason, and that reason is that fiction affects reality, whenever you like it or not.

It doesn’t mean you can love a piece of media and not say some elements of it are bad. I watched Legally Blonde like a week ago and its age pretty bad with its racism and homophobia, but that doesn’t mean that it isn’t progressive in other areas. Being able to enjoy media while also knowing the problematic elements to it is something more people need to accept in my opinion (not really a piece of media but ao3 is very controversial due to the leadership beint racist and zionists, but you are forced to use it because it is literally the most beloved fanfic site on tumblr).

However, Legally Blonde harmfully spread these sorts of bigotry to the audience of the time, reaffirming their harmful beliefs. I feel like proshippers are also doing this. By romanticizing topics like pedophilia and incest, they could be normalizing or even making it out to be good and lovely to vulnerable people, and I’m not just talking about minors. Adults could also be sucked into this mindset and create this art of romanticizing abuse. Because fiction does affect reality, groomers could easily infiltrate and use it as a tactic to abuse teenagers and even children. That’s the most problematic aspect of proshipping to be, the community that allows pedophiles to enter the fanbase and groom minors, without anyone calling them out on their behavior.

However, I’ve never been a proshipper, so did they actually took action against them?

A large problem in the proshipper vs anti discourse is reducing both sides to basic one note bad guys. Antis are evil censorship puritanicals in a cult, and proshippers are groomers who hate criticism and are in a cult! I wouldn’t say that these can’t apply to certain members of both sides, but that doesn’t give the full picture.

I’ve seen proshippers disgusted by real life cp, disgusted on people shipping them with their real siblings, doing what they preach and only liking fictional stuff. It doesn’t excuse them for making a community that allows pedophiles and people who support them or ignore their actions, but at least it’s something. People do use it to cope, whenever is a good coping mechanism, it probably isn’t. It retraumatizes the victim and could led to victim blaming and getting them into similar abuse. Some proshippers are even in the community because they actually want to explore abusive relationships in a safer space than regular fandom.

A lot of this stereotyping of antis and proshippers is because they don’t want to listen to the opposite side of the conflict, tend to stay inside their own communities, and also tend to hate the other side. I’m an anti and my blood boils when I think of proshippers, and it’s probably like that for the rest of us, and reverse it to get it with proshippers. Of course you would get angry if you thought there was a community of pedophiles grooming kids and no one cared because “it doesn’t matter lmao”! Of course you would get angry if there was a community of puritanical censorship cult that wanted to police your valid coping mechanism! It’s completely understandable wanting to shut people from the other side down because they’re always wrong! But, maybe we should listen to them first?

I love me some critical thinking, but I'm not sure if anyone else is as giddy as me thinking anime Professor Kukui overworks himself to death and Mallow's father has internalized misogyny. However, we should analyze various arguments from each side. I've thought about some, and thought they were stupid (I actually posted my thoughts about two arguments about ao3 on my side blog when I post my thoughts on), but I did think about them instead of blocking and moving on, so that counts for something.

If you hate antis even after all this, then please just take away that using critical analysis is a very cool and good thing to shut people up and make you look like a gigachad.

Wait a minute.

Wait a minute. They blocked me on main, so I guess their arguments don’t matter since they don’t want to interact with me at all? Sweet mother of hell thats literally the opposite of what you are suppose to talk away from my post.

I do agree with that people may take away that everyone who disagrees with me doesn’t have critical analysis but that isn’t what I was trying to say. I was just saying that a lot of proshipper arguments I’ve thought about more than one second are pretty dumb. I also implied that you could shut up antis by disagreeing with their arguments in a critical sense. It makes sense since they didn’t even bother to read my post. If you don’t bother reading my post, then honestly I shouldn’t have even bothered to try to argue with you. You seem content in a community full of pedophiles. I did skim some of the next reblog underneath, and maybe it’ll get me to realize that pedophiles don’t run rampant?

Ah, yes, the community where people criticize others for drawing adults kissing minors runs rampant with pedophiles, and the people who draw children kissing adults isn’t.

Do you even hear what you’re saying?

You are falling into the trap I laid out in my post! You are stereotyping antis as cultists! And you saying that they are is fueling my stereotype of your community as a pedo run hellscape! How could you read “try to understand others and critically analyze their arguments” and then take away “they think they’re soooooo better than everyone else. That just fuels my stereotype that your brain is soup!

You are exaggerating all my arguments and twisting me into a caricature of evil incarnate, which fuels fello proshippers into hating antis even more. Hey, that kinda sounds like cult behavior! That fuels my stereotype that you guys are groomers and cultists!

Also, I didn’t say fiction affects reality 1 to 1. I was just saying it does. Again, with the exaggerating.

If you guys get mad at me saying you are stupid and spreading this situation thin, just know that if I decided to block and move on, you guys will say you won, because I guess you’re the only ones that can be annoyed enough to block?

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Ah, yes, the community where people criticize others for drawing adults kissing minors runs rampant with pedophiles, and the people who draw children kissing adults isn’t.

Do you even hear what you’re saying?

You are falling into the trap I laid out in my post! You are stereotyping antis as cultists! And you saying that they are is fueling my stereotype of your community as a pedo run hellscape! How could you read “try to understand others and critically analyze their arguments” and then take away “they think they’re soooooo better than everyone else. That just fuels my stereotype that your brain is soup!

You are exaggerating all my arguments and twisting me into a caricature of evil incarnate, which fuels fello proshippers into hating antis even more. Hey, that kinda sounds like cult behavior! That fuels my stereotype that you guys are groomers and cultists!

Also, I didn’t say fiction affects reality 1 to 1. I was just saying it does. Again, with the exaggerating.

If you guys get mad at me saying you are stupid and spreading this situation thin, just know that if I decided to block and move on, you guys will say you won, because I guess you’re the only ones that can be annoyed enough to block?

Everything I say under this post is rebutting arguments made by people to this post.

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Wait a minute. They blocked me on main, so I guess their arguments don’t matter since they don’t want to interact with me at all? Sweet mother of hell thats literally the opposite of what you are suppose to talk away from my post.

I do agree with that people may take away that everyone who disagrees with me doesn’t have critical analysis but that isn’t what I was trying to say. I was just saying that a lot of proshipper arguments I’ve thought about more than one second are pretty dumb. I also implied that you could shut up antis by disagreeing with their arguments in a critical sense. It makes sense since they didn’t even bother to read my post. If you don’t bother reading my post, then honestly I shouldn’t have even bothered to try to argue with you. You seem content in a community full of pedophiles. I did skim some of the next reblog underneath, and maybe it’ll get me to realize that pedophiles don’t run rampant?

Everything I say under this post is rebutting arguments made by people to this post.

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Everything I say under this post is rebutting arguments made by people to this post.

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I just saw someone say that monogamy is inherently queerphobic

I mean I hate the culture surrounding it but... that's the wrong animal buddy that's a [non invasive animal that is cute]

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every time I check the sparklecare situation it somehow gets WAY worse and I just feel like this

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Hello Madoka Magical and Bootleg Plush Tumblr! I've come with a question.

I'm looking for help to identify a Kyubey plush I have, which I bought from what I think was Bookmans (a local book store in Arizona) thinking it was a digimon (no, seriously (I plan to get into the magical girl anime genre but I haven't watched it yet)).

For personal reasons, I don't feel comfortable sharing my plush, but I found on ebay what I think is the exact bootleg plush I have.

Most of the plush is covered in a soft material that seems to be a fur like and is nice to feel. The eyes, mouth, dot things on ears, and ring on the back are, um... idk how to word it but stitched on. The ear insides are a smooth material that easily gets cracks and can tear off. The tail seems like it's ready to tear off at any moment when I move it around, but other than the ear insides, it feels pretty good. There's no tag btw. I still have the tag they put on at Bookmans, it has the date 3/10/24 on it.

The ebay listing I found the photos on says that it's a custom, but I believe that it is actually a bootleg. First off, I have the plush and so does them. Second off, I may have found a lead as to what my plush is.

I found this (recommend to have ublock on the browser if you want to go to that site) while google image searching the first image of the ebay listing. Looks VERY SIMILAR to my plush and the plush on ebay. I think I might have some evidence to it maybe being that plush.

There are little weird furless patches on the ear of my plush. You can barely see them in the first ebay image, but if you look closely you should see a little spike of missing fur in the right hand ear things. Now, take a look at the last image linked.

That plush on the left has those weird furless circles! Just... more. So, case closed, right?

Well, not exactly.

The hand ear things on my plush don't... do that. They are more inward and make like a bit of a circle shape. You can see that in the right hand ear things on the second ebay image. In fact, my plush looks moreso like a mixed of the two plushies.

I also found this plush (again, recommend to have ublock on the browser if you want to go to that site) which is very similar to mine, but has a different material for the white fur.

My best guess to my plush is that it's a bootleg of one of these plushies or another one like it and just so happened to fall into my hands for some reason. Because I thought it was a digimon-

So... help? I guess?

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THEY MADE TUMBLR ROUND

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why have my notes turned pink

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to argue for a second: i can see making separate secret ref sheets in order to distance public canon from the private nsfw stuff. like, using different designs so they feel like separate aus, keeping the secret stuff disconnected from the public characters.

BUT. but. she... didn't do that. she kept sly and eve's dynamic and just didn't say it out loud. she kept cream and frosty inseparable. norma and doom and mood and liking insects was a secret code. half of them only have a different outfit on even if it's supposed to be years later. there wasn't any separation at all!!! so making separate designs for secret stuff doesn't actually do anything like it should!!!

OKAY. You do have a point on how it could be used to distance the two "endings", but yeah, Kittycorn didn't do that.

She kept multiple things that hinted to the "secret" canon in cometcare. She added inside jokes so she and her group of friends could laugh at how nobody knew the truth. Hell, she even used FANART as a way to hint towards the secret canon and feed into it. She allowed so many children and victims to draw and interact with these characters, become attached to them and love them, knowing what they were truly meant for this entire time.

She says it was private. This was never private. If it was, there would be nothing being leaked.

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I understand some of the fandom arguments about why proshipping should be allowed ao3 but some I’ve always saw as really poor.

Because the owners shipped wincest means that you can’t be anti proship is just silly to me. It’s like saying you can’t be anti transphobic on tumblr because the ceo is transphobic

Also saying that if you don’t like ao3 because of the proshipping stuff to just move to another site is also very silly to me. Again, saying someone should move off of tumblr and onto another social media platform because of the transphobic ceo, but I don’t fell like that’s a good comparison. From what I know, ao3 is the most high quality and popular fanfiction site by a long shot, so if you want people reading your fic, you just have to go on there. If you don’t want certain people reading your fic, just say you don’t support them and block people who are them for interacting with the fic that are those kinds of people. It’s not going to stop those people from reading it, but it’s going to deter some. Don’t like? Don’t read.

Anyways that’s about it. I hope we’ll all civil in this comments below… but we’re probably not.

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the sparklecare situation keeps getting worse and worse holy shit

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I was trying to go back by using by editing the website bar and this happened. very cool.

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what do you mean elon musk did a nazi salute on live tv at the united states presidential inauguration twice and is now erasing the evidence off the internet by replacing the footage with the crowd cheering instead?

would be a shame if people reblogged this, wouldn’t it?

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I LITERALLY FORGOT I POSTED THIS TILL NOW

(Btw what happened was that the characters got into the Hetero position 😭😭😭)