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I think he has somehow even made peace with all the vitriol that those Destial fans threw at him and has truly learnt to look at the positives. That’s why he is glowing even more.

Jared's post Spn glow up continues. I love how relaxed and happy he's been looking, especially recently. The removal of that millstone round his neck certainly appears to have made him so much happier.

I think he really is the happiest that he’s been in a long time. He’s enjoying his time for sure.

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such an adorable pic 🥰

💛💛💛

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I don't feel bad about Jensen. And neither should anyone else. He chose to marry a worthless woman and he continues to choose to let her boss him around and not say anything or stand up for himself. *See the quick tidbit from his premiere where he was asked about OTH reboot* https://www.instagram.com/share/reel/_ddVu3-ut?fhid=X2RkVnUzLXV0

If he willingly is choosing to be unhappy, then that's just that. He's not worth the concern. He wouldn't even listen to anyone if they did have concern. He views anything negative towards danneel as not worth his time.

It is super heartbreaking that he is making his kids have to witness this. You'd think you'd want your kids to see a healthy supportive, loving relationship but I guess not to Jensen.

Jensen is a bad liar. He wants Danneel to think she has all the control but he ends up doing only what he wants. Don’t look at his words, look at his actions and, honestly, that sound bite was pure cringe and so was his behaviour on the red carpet. He’s trying to seem younger than he is and cooler than he is and it just makes him look uncomfortable and forced. Even when he speaks about her it doesn’t come off as genuine or love, rather he looks uncomfortable and fake.

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My "favorite" part about the AAs being all pissed that the interview wasn't all about Jensen is them acting as if it's about "respecting" Eric. Bringing up how it's weird and awkward and awful to ask about his health during an interview for a show. How is it any of those things? The interviewer wasn't throwing out weird accusations or anything like what happened with Chadwick Boseman. They asked about a diagnosis that he was very open about. That he WANTED to talk about, because getting this information out is important. Also, them being all gross and asking if she's a new interviewer and saying that, "she'll learn" really bothers me. Learn what? She was doing her damn job. There was another actor to talk to that is just as important as Jensen.

Nice try, they can’t backtrack into that. Eric chose to be public about his condition and was well aware that’s where the interview would go or someone would stop the interview. They are briefed on what they can and can’t ask about.

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It's so frustrating because I do think Jensen is very talented and *does* have range, but chooses the fun/familiar space rather than pushing himself out of his comfort zone and giving us that range for a sustained performance and not just occasional scenes that call for it.

He's nearly 50 and there will come a point where the "action man flirty lighthearted but damaged " roles totally dry up. He needs to be thinking longer term because he's rapidly approaching the "suburban dad of the young adult main characters" casting age and not being the leading man.

That's the thing. He doesn't push himself out of his comfort zone. He's just content with playing a version of Dean over and over again. That's why I don't think you'll ever see him playing a real life version of Batman. Is that his dream? Idk what dream role he wants, but I guess if he's content to be doing this, more power to him?? Idk.

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Oooof 🔥🔥🔥🔥

OHHHHHH Hello Jared!!!!!!! 😍😍😍

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AA’s love to talk about Jensen’s range, but in every Countdown interview so far he’s talked about how much his new character is just like Dean. I’d love to see him try some range but he just won’t do it

Right. Where is this "range" other than Dean?? Every character he's played has so far been a version of him. He'll never escape Dean this way. Lol

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I don’t think he can help himself anymore…

https://www.eonline.com/news/1418848/why-jensen-ackles-daughter-is-begging-to-watch-the-countdown?cmpid=social&content=organic&medium=link-post&source=twitter-enews&taid=6851d10a7b4f3c00012b113b&utm_medium_uc=twitter&utm_program_uc=enews&utm_source=twitter-enews&utm_source_uc=social

The favorite daughter strikes again!

Whatever happened to protecting the kids from social media? Why does Jensen lie so much lately?

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I love your blog, I have a message for that anon who was defending Danneel and used the D word. Anon, you are the very embodiment of everything that makes Danneel trashy. Nough said.

One has to wonder why they always have to resort to bullying or vulgarities to get their point across.

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Jared was the one on medication and looked like his mother died on his wedding day. Anyone that is peddling Jensen Danneel wedding issue is just a plain ass liar. Jared cried, he sweat like a farmer, and looked like a drugged out mess for the second half of the day. And the wedding kiss was a disaster Jared looked his worse there his hair was a mess he looked like he was hit by a train. Their wedding photos look like the aftermath of sort of end time event. And her dress ended up looking like shit because the snow and slush she waded through most of the day ruined her look.

Danneel, is that you? 😹 Sorry but Gen was classy, you were not. Gen looked stunning, wish I could says the same for you. Jared looked perfect on his wedding day and he wasn’t drunk, unlike Jensen…

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Does jenna think she doesn’t run a hate account that harasses people all day long telling them what they’re allowed to post because boy do I have news for her…

Jenna talks way more shit about Jared than I ever have of Jensen. And I don’t harass people online all day long bossing them around on what they’re allowed to say and think.

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I watched JA's interview with the police for the Rust incident and one of his answers definitely rubbed me the wrong way. The question was about the public statement Hannah (the armorer) made. Cop: "So with her, I’m sure you’ve seen the statement that she’s released" 

JA: "Yeah, saying that she was not given the time or-"

Cop: "And that she was pressing for training… and stuff like that, any knowledge to that?"

JA: "Which, I mean… *sighs*... In my opinion it’s bullsh*t, same reason I think that the camera crew walking off was bullsh*t. They knew what they were signing up for. It’s a low budget movie, there’s no budget for… putting everybody up in the four seasons. I’m sure they’d like to do that… but they can’t do that. They don’t have money, the financers gave a certain amount of money

That’s how much we had to get it done. Everybody on this movie knew that it was gonna be tight. I would’ve loved to have had... 3 weeks of horse training, you know? But I didn’t. I had half a day, I had an afternoon, to pick a horse out and ride him around and get comfortable… and then the next day I was on camera on the horse.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0NLQnVk5GI

(timestamp 1:16:29)

For the first hour Jensen was very articulate and a wealth of information (or over explaining if you want to call it).  After an hour of answering questions (sometimes the same question), reliving the horrific day, and constantly analyzing and rationalizing, I think Jensen was starting to get tired and anger and confusion bubbled to the surface.   Which was when he was asked for the second (or third) time about the safety issue.  

(Note: police will repetitively ask the same questions at different times to make there are no inconsistencies)

I know Jensen was being sarcastic about the camera crew asking for accommodations at a 4 season hotel or him wanting 3 weeks at cowboy camp riding horses, not even big budget movies train you on horses for 3 weeks on their dime. The number 1 lie told by actors is not their age, but their ability to ride horses. So, I don’t think he was towing the line by Alec Baldwin and the costume designer mocking the camera crew (X), but rather in midst of reliving the trauma, his subconscious looked for a scapegoat in order to find order in the chaos.  Plus, in my experience the contempt for the working class tends to run rampant among the blue haired (X) liberals (including Alec) and the old money class (Shaffer).

Jensen: If I saw somebody (being grumpy) I just try to cheer them up. What's the problem, we're out, it's beautiful, the weather, the sky, we're shooting a Western. Get over yourself!

Jensen said he didn't do it for the paycheck because it was his dream to be in a Western. That's all good and fine, but the camera crew wasn't there for funsies, this was their job and they depend on their paycheck. To walk off the set means things were that bad to walk away from a job that they needed.

Jensen got nice hotel accommodation for a job he doesn't need but wanted for the opportunity to have fun playing a cowboy.  The camera crew got shitty accommodation for a job that they need, not to have fun filming men playing out their fantasy playing cowboys.

Like you, it didn’t sit right with me that Jensen vented that the camera crew knew what they were signing up for in a low-budgeted movie, which includes safety protocol being skipped because they were on a tight schedule.  I’ve been a background actor and an extra on several shows and barely-budget movies that provided safe accommodations and there were lots of guns on set, and one where a bullet for meant for me (collateral damage when a hitman missed his target).  In every one of them, the armorer, prop master, and the AD handled the gun in all the scenes to verify it is not loaded.  One very memorable experience on a movie set the armorer handed the gun to several people on set to verify that it was not loaded, including me because he knew I was a permit holder.  It’s why out of hundreds of thousands of action and war movies and police procedural tv shows, injuries or death from guns are very rare: 3 total in 37 years, though that is cold comfort for Halyna’s family.

Lead actors have the unspoken job of taking care of the crew, usually morally, sometimes physically.  Tom Cruise rented two cruise ships to house the crew of Mission Impossible to keep them safe during covid.  River Phoenix gave his trailer to one of the actresses during filming of Silent Tongue when he found out she didn’t have adequate accommodations due to the film’s low budget.  Jared took in some of Walker crew when the snowstorm cut power to their apartments.  Alec Baldwin should have paid for the crews’ hotel in Santa Fe instead of making them drive one hour to Albuquerque, then perhaps the camera crew may not have walked off the set 6 hours before the fatal shooting.  Maybe, who knows, we will never know.

Anyways, Jensne said in the end that he has an appointment with a therapy the following week and I hope he attends regularly in order to deal with the trauma, especially since the case is on-going with people suing and counter suing each other. It's not going away anytime soon and Jensen needs on-going professional counseling to help him find the right method to cope and process and not keep blaming the wrong party.

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Loved the Cas bit along with the rest

https://www.tumblr.com/ienjoybeingahater/777733368614895616/dean-winchester-is-the-open-wound-in-the-body-that

Hi there. I hope you’re well.

When you have a minute, I’d love to see your thoughts on the post linked abive. I agree to an extent, especially about writers stealing Sam story lines and giving them to Dean. They use the example of Jack and the writers trying to force a bond between him and Dean, when Sam was obviously his parental figure. Though, I think Jack, as characterized, always saw Sam as his main parental figure. I’d also argue that they cut Sam's much deserved anger short in Season 9, so Dean could have a strop for a season and a half because he was pouting over the fact that Sam didn’t instantly forgive him for violating him with the Angel situation.

Anyway, I just wonder how much you agree with their point that Dean became central focus of SPN.

Dean definitely gut more screen time, but I still think Sam more often had the plot focus, only the late seasons did a shitty job of fleshing them out enough, like Sam being a leader vs a follower with the BMOL in Season 12.

Anyway, thanks for any thoughts you decide to share on this.

Link. Oh boy. I will start with that ienjoybeingahate is not wrong, but not for reasons they or you may think.

The OP appears to treat Dean as a co-lead protagonist or a deuteragonist, had he been one then yes his character arc would have been beyond frustrating. But he's not, he's a support protagonist because less than half of the stories revolve around him, more like 20%.  Dean does not have important stories separate to Sam’s, nor does he have his own supporting cast; most of Dean’s interaction with Cas and other supporting characters are not about him but rather about his reaction to their stories because the role of the support protagonist is not only to support the lead, but also support the side characters.

Yeah, Dean is unfair towards Sam but 1) that’s what brothers do, and most importantly 2) that’s what happens to main characters, they constantly get shitted on. One of the biggest reliefs in real life is realizing you’re not the main character. In The X Files, Mulder was called a loser even by the freaks and rarely given grace.  Xena was constantly reminded of the sins of her past in Warrior Princess.

OP's biggest gripe is that Dean doesn't change, and I admit I've on occasion complained about Dean’s defeatist attitude, a plot device that can get tiresome since season 5. Still, it was a plot device that usually works as part of Sam’s Hero Journey  arc. For example, from Sam’s point of view, Dean’s endless self-inflicted apathy is part of the long list of crappy-things-to-do-to-Sam.  In episode 13x05, Dean temporarily killing himself so he can go into the dead zone to find the bodies and free the souls, while a good idea (I guess???), was still a very crappy-thing-to-do-to-Sam as there was no discussion, just “here’s a needle give me five minutes being dead okay see you later.”  It’s been ongoing since season 2, so I don’t blame Sam in season 14 for thinking the Mal'ex magic box business is just the latest in a long string of events of Dean causing himself harm and then giving up at the first inconvenience.  Sam’s angry speech in episode 14x11 “Damaged Goods” was not only about Dean cutting Sam out of his plan with no discussion but also for giving up by using blind faith in fate as an excuse (“since when do we believe in fate?”).  Sam’s speech in episode 14x12 “Prophet and Loss” recounts their long history of defying fate and surviving literal and figurative hell because they had faith in themselves. Dean is forgiven for forgetting this lesson every season because the plot device kicks in just in time to give us some of Jared’s finest acting of Sam’s decade-long frustrations with Dean’s obstinance, causing him to breakdown and ask, “why don’t you believe in us?”, like a child asking why adults do stupid things when the adults should know better. 

Dean’s defeatist attitude is part of the determinism (Dean) vs free will (Sam) philosophy that ran through the series by Sam confronting and challenging the authority figures in his life: John Winchester, Dean Winchester, Lucifer, and then God. They all wanted Sam to be something he didn’t want to be - John’s solider, Dean’s companion, Lucifer’s vessel, and Chuck’s story.  Eventually, Sam acquiesced to their demands but on his own terms, he became a hunter to leave a legacy, became Dean’s partner to save him, became Lucifer’s vessel to save the world, became Chuck’s story to defeat him and bring free will into the world through Jack, a Nephilim he essentially raised and influenced. New God Jack’s perception of humanity is distilled down to, “When people have to be their best, they can be.”  Looking at Sam, Jack promised a hands-off approach but also people don’t need to pray or sacrifice to Him. Sam has tears in his eyes, he is after all losing a son.  But what Sam gained is his faith in himself. his trust in people and the greater good often gets thrown into his face, but Jack becomes the kinder, gentler God whose message is to trust in themselves, for that is where God resides.

Speaking of Jack, the Dean and Jack subplot happened because the writers were building up their relationship for the sole purpose of tearing it down when Jack accidentally kills Mary.  The problem was their relationship wasn’t developed organically because the writers needed a plot device. The writers can’t have Sam and Jack having a falling out, so it had to be Dean and Jack.  As I mentioned earlier, OP is not wrong but not for reasons they may think. Writers didn't "cater" toward Dean because of his fans, but because they were after their own residuals. Writers create new side characters and get residuals everytime their character appears in an episode. The easiest way for writers to give their characters more screentime is to have them interact with Dean because he’s the go-to character to support the supporting character. Helped that Dean is consistently written inconsistently, so Dean can be anything the writers want him to be when he supports their own character. Writers don't want their creations to interact with Sam because as the main character, it is the job of side characters to support Sam’s story. Once the support character’s job of revealing a side of Sam is done, they are usually killed off and there goes the writer's residuals.

Dean did not "destroy" Castiel by becoming an accessory to Dean on behalf of the Destiel shippers. Castiel was "destroyed" because he outlived his purpose after season 6 and Misha couldn't find a better job. Season 6 was Castiel’s best season in terms of character development because it made sense from his arcs in season 4 and 5.  Castiel as a villain actually makes sense because angels are lawful-evil assholes and despite Cas’s best attempts he can’t escape his nature, which is the point of Dean’s arguments about monsters. From season 7 onward, Cas became a plot-driven character instead of a character driving the plot. Stories shouldn’t move the characters like lifeless game pieces. It’s the characters that should move the story forward. The characters’ choices should impact the story and not be inconsequential. (My unpopular theories  here and here and here and a short version  here on why Misha was initially hired as a regular for season 5 & 6 and rehired again as a regular for season 9-11.)

OP's "From the very beginning, Sam had potential, potential for something beyond hunting, beyond the endless cycle of death and violence that consumed their lives. He had dreams, ambitions, and a future that should have been his"

Did OP not see the series finale "Carry On"? Sam left hunting and its endless cycle of death and violence and accomplish his primary goal that had kept him driven and move the story forward, attaining normal life. It was never about eradicating monsters to extinction or avenging his mother’s death.  Sure, Sam is very good at hunting and even became a leader, but they always made sure to show that Sam doesn’t have passion for the family business other than saving people’s lives.  Claire Novak shows way more enthusiasm for the job. 

OP's inability or refusal to see Sam as the main character may be colored by mistaking the character with the most POV as the main character. But as any Dean stans will tell you, Dean's POV means squat because Dean isn’t being talked about by other characters. Dean and his POV mainly revolve around Sam. To quote a casual observer I found on tumblr: Sam gets the larger story arcs in the show and Dean gets more of the “silly and fun” filler episodes.

Sam is dynamic character who went from a college student naive about the supernatural world, to becoming a skilled and effective hunter and then a leader and later a father figure to a future God, and finally a father with a family of his own.  Dean was essentially the same character from start to finish but that’s fine for a support-protagonist, in fact it was essential for the show’s formula.  Yes Dean is a supercool character because the jerk-with-heart-of-gold is practically a fail safe archtype.

"I’d also argue that they cut Sam's much deserved anger short in Season 9, so Dean could have a strop for a season and a half because he was pouting over the fact that Sam didn’t instantly forgive him for violating him with the Angel situation."

I semi-agree that Sam's anger was cut short. First, remember that Dean isn’t going to learn the same lesson each season, which was why he made Sam’s anger over the Gadreel possession about his (Dean) own issue and left Sam alone (with Cas in the bunker) to hunt down Gadreel… only to run into Cain got the Mark to, huh, kill Abaddon instead for some reason. That "reason" was Jensen's years long campaign for a Dean-centric storyline, which he got for season 10. That means the last half of season 9 was rewritten to set up Dean's "rare" storyline (Jensen's quote here ). I explained here why season 10 didn't work, the jist is because Supernatural was not set up to have Dean as the main character.

Back to Sam's anger, he told Dean the unvarnished truth: Dean didn’t want to be alone. This gets brought up again by Billie in season 11’s “Red Meat”, and in season 13’,’s “Advanced Thanatology” when Dean tells Billie that he’s dragging down Sam. Dean does have self-awareness but he can't live a life without Sam, so Sam has to give up just about everything so that Dean wouldn't be alone. In season 8, Dean gave his blessing and permission for Sam to return to the ordinary life he always wanted for himself but, you know, only after he (Dean) dies. Which is what Sam did in "Carry On".

In the end it was okay that Dean's character growth was minimal because he’s Han Solo, the comfort food of the series.  We don’t want mac & cheese to change. Dean is the awesome sauce but not the main course, which I explained in the “Support Protagonist” tag.

July 2015 Comic Con:

Interviewer:  Let’s talk about growth in Dean’s character. Jensen:  Or lack of growth?

Link.

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More people know Jared from GG than know him from Spn, so yeah, that's a lie. Also, good luck to Cynifer waiting for Jensen to be remembered for anything other than playing Dean, because it's gonna be a long one.

I doubt, him playing SB and Dean Winchester cosplaying Jack Bauer is going to be remembered in five months, let alone twenty years.

Yep he’s more famous from that than spn. That already has him ahead of everyone. He’s not only had work, he’s had memorable work that has led to higher pay than anyone in spn. Amazon pays shit.

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Not gonna lie—out of the spn cast, most of my friends only really know Jared. We’re girls and we like girl stuff, and we’ve all watched and rewatched Gilmore Girls because it’s the kind of show that clicks with us. It has something spn doesn’t—it deals with real-life situations that a lot of people, especially women, can relate to. So it’s one of those shows that’s always worth rewatching.

And honestly, since we’re girls with boyfriends, we’ve made them watch it too. Plus, some of my friends know Jared from movies like Friday the 13th. I can tell you that outside the spn bubble, Jared is still pretty well-known. His career hasn’t gone unnoticed—he’s been part of popular projects that don’t rely just on spn. And even in spn, he played the lead and the ‘last girl’—Sam.

I believe it

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Today I have a SamJess edit for you

I always wanted to make an edit to one of my fav songs "Where the wild roses grow" from Kylie Minogue and Nick Cave. And I think it fits SamJess.

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Walker - 2.12 Common Ground