#ALSO WILL AND EL??? THEIR HUG? best part of the season tbh.

[givehimthemedicine]

not to get the morbs on main but do you ever just sit with how incredibly sad "Goodbye, Mike" is? that little El is that ready to sacrifice herself?

the fact that she paused to say goodbye means she expected to die, or at least to get incapacitated and recaptured, which is also extremely sad. I lean towards thinking she didn't know she'd disappear to the UD.

I still don't get what exactly is happening when she does That to Henry and the demogorgon, but regardless, she seems to think it's killing ("if you touch her again I will kill you again") so I don't get the impression that she's aware getting transported is a possible outcome (she doesn't remember '79 in '83). she's already drained from killing the agents and doesn't have the option to recharge, and I think she accepts that the exertion necessary to kill the demogorgon will be more than she can survive.

El has spent a week hearing that Will is important, finding Will is what really matters. and of course she gets the idea Will is more important than she is. he is loved. this is El's first lesson in what that even looks like. this boy is sorta like her real-world counterpart - she's occupying his space in his world, and she's getting a glimpse at what it looks like for a kid her age to be a person, loved and missed, and not just a thing with a serial number on it that its owner wants back.

for that week, El is important because Will is important.

nobody has ever valued anything about El except what she can do with her powers, so she thinks her only value to the party and Joyce is in her usefulness in finding Will, or protecting them. tbh they didn't do a ton to challenge that assumption in season 1 in ways that would be clear to her (not that they had any idea of her experience).

"but the hug at the quarry!" yeah I love it, but she had just saved their lives. even though hugs are nice and she never got them at the lab, she still could think it's because she did something for them. "Joyce hugs her at the end of the bath!" one of the best moments in the series, but again, El had just done something for Joyce. that may be the only motive she sees for it. maybe it's all just lab taffy. what affection has anyone given El that doesn't look to her like part of an exchange or a reward for performance?

El's willingness to sacrifice herself isn't just about loving her new friends and wanting to protect them but like. by that time, she'd done all she could on the Will mission. he's Schrodinger'd at this point, it doesn't even matter the outcome. he's either irretrievable or being retrieved, either way, now that she's served her purpose she's of no further value to them.

if that's her impression, is she proven wrong? while she's still vulnerable from submitting herself to a triggering, exhausting experience to help them, Hopper betrays her location to Brenner in exchange for a longshot chance at finding Will.

(Yeah I know his options were limited and of course he's gonna be more committed to helping Will because he has a longtime relationship with Joyce. but. an authority figure handing a horribly abused child back to her abusers after she trusted him for help does not make me a big Hopper fan, even if he planned to try to doublecross them later. "I'll tell you where your little science experiment is" please.)

but as hurtful as Hopper's trade is, the saddest part is that El is willing to make a very similar one herself. it's more important for Will and these people to have each other back than for her to try to have her freedom. she wouldn't want what's been stolen from her to be stolen from anyone else. it's better for her to be the one that goes away, to make it safe for all of them. she has no one to miss her, not how Will does.

I have to wonder if the way she killed the demogorgon ("killed" "the demogorgon") was the only way she could've gone about it. like, she didn't try to snap its neck first or anything. her Plan A is a method that jeopardizes her own life.

does she see a future for herself in the outside world? one where she isn't forever hunted, and a constant danger to her friends? one that doesn't dead end back in the lab, under crueler conditions than ever before? is that a life she hopes to survive for?

imagine if ST really ended up being an anthology, and all she went out with was one resigned little "Goodbye, Mike" and we never found out any more about it. I would be in an institution

[blueeandyellowmakesgreen]

argyle or joyce for the character thing

omg helloooOO

im gonna do both because i can

argyle:

Why I like them

hes hilarious, intelligent and the only ‘normal’ friend outside of the group’s trauma circle and they really need that, especially jonathan. i think sometimes people forget jonathan didnt have friends back in hawkins so im really glad he met argyle

Why I don’t

you are Legally Not Allowed to dislike argyle

Favorite episode (scene if movie/book)

4-episode 2 for putting mike in his place at the airport with that hug

Favorite season/movie

4? i guess

Favorite line

‘GOT ME STRESSED AND ITS NOT EVEN MY GIRLFRIEND’

Favorite outfit

i cant Remember. i know he has funky pants

OTP

him and weed xxx (jargyle’s cool too)

Brotp

jargyle..!! but id love to see el and argyle interact more tbh

Head Canon

mike gets argyle’d offscreen and thats why mike dislikes him bc he was able to psychoanalyze the kid while high. also casually admits hes queer which makes mike spit out his 7 up

Unpopular opinion

i think that since s5 is gonna be hawkins based with the chars as the center, i do think argyle is gonna be seen driving back to cali in the first ep. brief goodbyes are said and hes off since jonathan and el insist he go back before he gets into any unnecessary danger. theyd do that

A wish

he doesnt die and is confirmed queer in s5. maybe he goes back to cali as soon as s5 starts i honestly see that happening

An oh-god-please-dont-ever-happen

doesnt die i guess!!

5 words to best describe them

cool, intelligent, funny, creative, confident

My nickname for them

dont have oneee

joyce:

Why I like them

love of my life. shes SO smart and cares about her kids so much. shes so loyal and the reason why the men in the show even get anywhere and i need that acknowledged in the show how shes always right i NEED people to stop doubting my woman

Why I don’t

no

Favorite episode (scene if movie/book)

god i dont remember but it was the episode where she argued with lonnie in s1 and had that speech where she was never going to stop looking for will. that was a chilling moment for her, and a runner up is her talking to will through the lights. honestly joyce fucking shined throughout the entire season, which leads to my next answer for the next question!

Favorite season/movie

1!

Favorite line

again, going back to her speech against lonnie!

Favorite outfit

season 3 outfit slayed

OTP

JOPPER 💞💞💞🥰

Brotp

watching her and murray in s4 was actually really fun!

Head Canon

she played dnd with will, just the two of them when he was younger!

Unpopular opinion

uhhh i really didnt like how her reunion with el was more significant in s4 than it was with jonathan and will, her own kid who she went to hell and back for,, a very miniscule part of me is just salty abt that fjjdjd i miss the byers family interacting okkk

A wish

that men stop doubting her 🤡

An oh-god-please-dont-ever-happen

dont die.

5 words to best describe them

caring, passionate, genius, loyal, hot (i said it.)

My nickname for them

no nickname!

[akane171]

Exactly, just gotta run off to some remote mountain with a library and wifi connection 😉😁😂

I'm still so confused on which of the animals in Bambi were male and which female 😅🙈

Ohh, I used to watch it every other day and jup, same... We really should have seen it coming, huh?😅

HAHAHA, tbh, I dropped TVD before Season 6 back in the day, but after seeing Kai? I TOTALLY went back and watched most if not all of HIS scenes😂 Tho I'm really sad he and Kol never met, cause how much fun would it have been to have a sociopath-witch and a psychopath-vampire be best buddies😁 And they both were very funny, charming characters, too...🤔😖

Ohh, jup, sounds a character I'd cheer for 😍💃🏻💃🏻 PROTECTIVE SQUAD ACTIVATE!💃🏻💃🏻💃🏻

Yes, just, cause would you rather he keep staying the Superfriends and etc's doormat? I'd rather he tell them all off and destroy a few parts of the universe than keep silently suffering their shit... And at that point Kara was already dead, sooo🤷🏻‍♀️

Yesss, I love her stories, too!😍😍😍😍

Hey, I did tell you my Star Wars AU ideas too🙈 But no, jokes aside, sorry it's been a bit chaotic and I was so tired yesterday, I really just forgot😅🙈 But hey, I've been thinking of a One Piece AU were Mon-El is the Pirate king or has the Gomu Gomu Ni and Kara is either a Princess or a Marine General🤔 Nothing concrete yet tho, sry

XXXXX

Library yes, wifi? You know, I think i could live without wifi conenction. i would send you an owl with letters, how could it would be?

My dad is retired forester, I've spent my childhood in the woods, I have no problems like that xD

I have read like... 3 chaps of the first book and saw first ep of s1. That was enough for me. Unfortunatelly (?) i was too old when i started it. And i was never fan of vampires, I guess. The idea of a super odl dude falling in love with a teenage hormonal girl, it's weird. Also, blood suckers? And bats? Like... why people think it's sexy?

Kol and Kai aka the K club, huh? XD

What can i say, I love sarcastic protectors. I love sarcastic characters done with other people's shit. Why there are not more characters in fiction like them? I kinda know in reality people like that are not the best companions, but well?

i would prefer him be happy. Like. Why i even have to say it? *cough* you monster *cough*

SHE IS AMAZING!!!! @themoonfortress we are talking about your fics here, you have another die hard fan!

*sends hugs* but... do i need to moan to you you need to rest, respect your sleep hours etc? =__________________=

Awww, One Piece. Anotyher shounen watched on RTL 2 xD

I remembered I was thinking about some fic au, where Cat is a well known therapy for couples specialists, and Kara really wanted to have an interview with her and Cat agrees but she demands Kara and her husband and some other couples (Winn x Eve, Nia x Brianiac, Lena x Some Poor Motherfucker and Alex x Kelly (or sam or maggie) to attend her special ne kind of sessions for couples. And while Karamel seems to be the most problematic (constant bickering, small arguments etc) they end like the most healthy and the happiest. And of course Mon-el is not very happy to attend this shit ;D

Anyway, stay healthy AND WELL RESTED, my friend. Hope life is not kicking your beautiful and talented as too much :)

[roccinan]

1/? simply because you have the most galaxy brain thoughts ever,,, what do you think would've happened if they waited until s5 to reveal sergio and andrés were (half)brothers?

i do know that when my fam started watching lcdp at first i was so put off. like i watched ep 1 and the prof creeped me out. ""berlin"" creeped me out. e v e r y o n e creeped me out. and i was cringing so hard becz of the short lived romance angle with alison parker. i literally did not watch s1 at all xcept for like sneak peeks. highlights being the scene where berlin discovers monica is alive and does his dramatic door by door thing? that was so SUSPENSEFUL even tho i had no idea what was going on. DOMINGO DE RESURECCION remains forever iconic.

2/? And OF COURSE the group bella ciao dance when they hit earth (hahah i thought the banda were actually like a "found family where they all love each other LOL") i am a SUCKER for found family. but anyhoo when i properly got intrigued was s2 when tokyo was kicked out (the music from that scene is still my favourite) it's just so dramatic..!! why am i telling u all this again? right, i haven't slept a wink and it's nearly 7 am pls forgive me if these rambles make no sense. i have a point with this.. i'm going somewhere

RIGHT. so when the fam actually rewound the ep cz i wanted to know WHY berlin did that (didn't fully realise how batsht crazy he can be), the russian roulette scene played. and pedro's acting. MAN. and like just that ep they made a point of showing us these flashbacks where sergio and andrés hug....

Hi anon! Thanks for stopping by- sorry took me a while to get back to you, will do my best to answer this string of messages (got all 4 parts)! Glad you like my thoughts XD

Firstly, I believe Andres/Sergio would be the biggest LCDP ship if the writers were evil enough to wait until s5 to reveal that they’re brothers asdfasdf. They’re already the two most popular male characters anyway. 

It’d be especially crazy because it’s not like they tell the actors these things beforehand either. So that means there’d probably be a Serdres vs Berlermo vs Serquel fight every 5 minutes. I mean, even if not everyone agrees on everything in the lcdp fandom, it’s the most “peaceful” one I’ve ever been in because no character really gets in the way of any other ship (like even with helermo and berlermo there’s no true conflict since Andres is dead). But with Serdres in the mix?? CATASTROPHE. Everyone out here writing essays about how much of a bastard/bitch/homewrecker/motherfucker that Andres or Sergio or Martin or Raquel is. Never a moment’s peace!! so basically, a regular fandom lmao.

Then when we find out they’re brothers, it goes from catastrophe to Apocalypse. Suddenly serquel and berlermo have the upper hand. Everyone would double down and harass the crew/cast into whatever’s going on.  Plot-wise, everything is the same though, just without Andres calling Sergio “hermanito.” Fandom however, would be a minefield! And I’m glad that’s not the case because I’d probably be an unfortunate serdres shippers XD No joke, my mother and I thought they were a couple in S1. So bullet dodged!

Secondly: haha, everyone creeped me out in S1 too, especially Berlin, I hated him, but thinking back, I think I mostly hated the fact that I didn’t hate him as much as I should have. I’ve made peace with it now but oh boy, was he a controversial figure in my head. I actually like the professor on sight though! IDK why, maybe because I thought his plans were cool or because of Alvaro’s delivery. I was afraid of an Alison Parker romance thing too- like, I do feel like she had a storyline that got dropped, but that part was quite cringey and overall unnecessary to the plot. Same with Ariadna, which was even cringier and even Less necessary to the plot. 

Domingo de resurrecion was iconic though yes! And even with all that said, I genuinely enjoyed parts 1 and 2 because it was so different from anything else I’d seen. Not content wise, but maybe tonally? IDK, they were just really bold with a lot of things, like being objectively unafraid of having the protagonists (plural because all of them did LMAO) do objectively shitty things. Really kept me in suspense from beginning to end! 

I’m usually a big fan of found families too! The funny thing is, then banda never struck me as a “family” until season 3. In 1 and 2, I was wondering what felt different about this show; then it hit me that these people remained colleagues to the end. Like, they backstabbed each other (repeatedly) and everyone was quite selfish, and only the bonds that were already there stuck. They were the opposite of a found family LOL But I think by S3, they went down the found family route and I didn’t mind because it makes quite a lot of sense for them to feel that bond after the Mint heist and almost dying/living together (and having witnessed 3 deaths together on the team). But I still doubt Berlin and Palermo were ever really part of this found family, with good reason XD

LOL the scene where Tokyo got kicked out is also among my favorites!! It was so funny and dramatic, and it was like, wow we can go anywhere with this now! Don’t worry- your rambles and thoughts are always welcome :D

I’m rolling over how you watched the Tokyo expulsion scene before the Russian Roulette scene haha. Also yes, PEDRO. Berlin may have been “controversial” to me at first, but I became Pedro’s fan from day one! Also the Hug is probably what made me like Berlin (despite my determination to hate him rip) in the first place. 

3/? ... and like now that i think about it... tokyo had real guts huh. like she KNEW berlin was close enough to el prof to know his name (fhshshs imagine if she'd heard andrés saying 'hermanito' it's unrealistic that she didn't TBH. i mean obviously they decided to make them brothers only towards the end but like in canon universe. how tf did andrés de 'i raised my bby brother since he was 12 and i'd actually die for him and his stupidly brilliant plans' fonollosa go 5 months without slipping up once and calling sergio hermanito. or like,,, i like to imagine sergio kinda gave him lots of leeway(?) sergio's a lil oblivious too but like i'm sure half of it is.. that's my dumbass older bro shut up i'm not being partial you all have city names .. andr-berlin, pass the salt. like OOF. + sergio also knew his big bro was dYiNG so like. i'm sure they were sneaking in some quality time (i hope they did 😭 gosh imagine if sergio really did not ever consider the possibility of andrés dying in the heist so he'd tell himself he needs to perfect the plan now & anyway he'll have enough time to spend w/ his brother post heist in philippines. and then ... that happened :/

Tokyo has guts in place of braincells you bet that she’d do something like this, consequences be damned XD I also think it’s unrealistic for Andres not to slip up, but I have a feeling nobody besides Tokyo really tried to spy on them in private. I headcanon that Andres instead slips up and does things like ruffle Sergio’s hair or adjust his tie when other people are around. I also think Tokyo was convinced that they were a gay couple when she saw them hug XD And if Sergio never went on to tell the banda that Berlin was his brother, everyone would be giving Palermo such awkward looks after Nairobi accused him of being in love with Berlin LMAO. 

I agree! I also imagine Sergio giving Andres leeway because he’s just so used to interacting with his brother that way haha. So either he’d go out of his way to ignore Berlin in front of everyone else or IDK, borderline telepathically communicate with him. Not even “pass the salt” has to leave his mouth- Berlin just puts salt into his food and cuts it up for him, in front of everyone who’s just staring like O.O

I actually do think Sergio never considered the possibility of Andres dying in the heist because he was just that confident in his own plan. Plus, Andres was probably the one person he expected to survive. And a lot of it has to do with Sergio’s attachment to him + Andres’ own habit of downplaying any illness/injury over the years, which I think is safe to believe canon. He was really in no condition to be in the heist, let alone lead it. Just the fact that he needs to take those injections is a big sign that he shouldn’t be there, but Sergio didn’t catch it because he’s human and blinded by faith :’) So yeah, I think Sergio was planning to spend proper time with Andres in Palawan and at Toledo, they just settled for those little moments by the fireplace. 

4/? what always also just GETS me in the feels is that el prof was shown to be this in control creepily calm dude who is miles ahead of everyone. + in the 1st Toledo class itself we see how detached,, like how impersonal he is, how professional - choosing frickin CITY NAMES?! no 'personal relationships' ? (after recruiting his older brother, a father son pair, and war cousins... oh sergio 😂 he's such a frickin nerd and i love him) but like the earlier seasons really emphasised how robotic and down right COLD he can be. it still sometimes bothers me that he put the button in the car. he lead the police to his own damn brother, his blood, who took care of him and adopted him and was terminally ill and like - UGH i try to rationalise that sergio is that cold and unbothered. or that he has strict morals. but it still bothers me becz that button really sort of tipped andres' already unstable sanity. like andrés tells denver someth like you've robbed my future and after that he just seems so much more suicidal and accepting that he can't get out of the mint alive - WHY SERGIO WHY. I KNOW THAT AT THAT POINT YOU BASICALLY DIDN'T KNOW ANDRÉS WAS GOING TO BE YOUR BROTHER YET BECZ IT WASN'T WRITTEN IN THE SCRIPT BUT WHYYYYY

That’s so funny to me too LMAO No personal relationships, then he recruits these guys. Sergio, hello?? Also can’t forget how he just recruited his own girfrleind in the second heist too. Buddy! Love this nerd.

I don’t think that cold aspect of Sergio went away in later seasons either; he just had more opportunity to show a more open side of himself + without Andres, he had to metaphorically leave his comfort zone without a safety net. But in earlier seasons, he really did seem heartless at times XD Then again, we can argue that the same goes for Andres.

To be fair, I didn’t feel sorry for Andres over the button thing lol, but once the brothers reveal happened and all of Alvaro/Pedro’s headcanons came out and we know everything Andres did for Sergio, it makes what Sergio did REALLY harsh. We really just have to explain it through Sergio’s strict morals and him believing this to be the best non-fatal punishment for Andres, who at that point had convinced him he killed a hostage. And because he knew the television interview was coming up, maybe Sergio assumed Andres would use it to “clear” his name anyway. And empathy isn’t one of Sergio’s strong suits either, so through that lens, I can rationalize it.

Also it was lowkey funny to me how Andres was there like DENVER MUST DIE until he found out Sergio put the button there, then he was like “oh hermanito, you and your practical jokes <3″

Still, like you said, Andres and Sergio weren’t brothers yet at this point. They were probably supposed to be lovers lmao and had a dysfunctional Hannibal Lecter x Will thing going on. But because they made #hermanos canon, that button moment just feels very out of place now, especially given how much the two genuinely love each other.

Guess we could also say that Sergio’s just generally kinda bratty with Andres XD Like, he knows no matter what, Andres would forgive him anything. That’s how I see it anyway! 

[santasfes]

Why Winn Schott Deserves To Be Appreciated

Once before like 2 months ago I made a list of reasons for why Winn should be appreciated more on another site so y'know why not post my reasons here. I may add more later idk. It of course contains spoilers for every season.

But anyways here:

-He's a dork. Honestly, that's one of the best parts about him and should make people love him more cause like dorks are the best.

-He's smart. That may not really seem important or anything, which is isn't really, but it still gives another good thing about him cause lots of people like smart people

-He's freaking adorable like have you seen that man and his smile? His smile is like the most amazing thing its just so sweet and cute and precious like how he's precious and aghhh Okay I'll stop before I rant on too much

-He's a nerd. Like, have you seen his movie references? Please tell me y'all at least appreciate that.

-He's basically another Cisco, and I don't think I've met anyone that doesn't like Cisco. So why don't y'all love Winn more?

-He's probably one of the kindest characters in Arrowverse, like he would do anything for his friends and always trys to help when he can. But his friends don't seem to appreciate that and sometimes they use him.

-He's basically never had a healthy relationship. His dad? Ended up a serial killer. His mum? Abandoned him. Foster parents? Well a lot of them gave him up and sent him to other homes probably. His old friends? I'm gonna guess some started to not like him as much and became cautious around him due to his dad. Students in school? He got bullied, probably usually by them constantly calling him Toyman Jr. His romantic relationships? Well all the past ones have failed of course (If there really was any), Siobhan tried to kill his best friend and him I'm pretty sure, Lyra used him, I mean sure Lyra had a good reason and apologised but it still wasn't great and she's done other stuff. His current friends? Well, James basically used him with the Guardian stuff at points, there was the whole "I love you Kara but you don't love me back" thing and the fact Kara literally told Lena she's never had a best friend and like WHAT ABOUT WINN MATE, Alex constantly scares and intimidates him but tbh that's fine and Alex appreciates him tbh, Braniac basically insulted his intelligence a bunch and was just mean to him. Mon-El does appreciate him I think, they just don't talk t o o often and he basically replaced Winn in the show, J'onn appreciates him too. But there's still a strong chance they've all been mean to him before. I mean that Agent dude I forgot his name it begins with like D or something, he wanted to punch him, like, Winn asked him to punch him to test his invention and he basically jumped at the chance to. Rude much?

-He's creative and talented like have you seen those cool suits he makes? And honestly, I don't think Kara even thanked him for that. At least Mon-El gave him a hug and Alex also thanked him a few times. Oh and did James thank him? Honestly, not sure, I think maybe once. But like he pressured into making the suit faster, he kept shouting at him to hurry up. Like calm down man and just appreciate what he has been doing for you.

-We all should admire his strength to deal with his past too. I mean like, the poor guy had a pretty bad childhood. His father killed a bunch of people and he had to watch him be dragged off to prison, then he was left for hours untilt he morning waiting for his mum to pick him up from prison since his mum wasn't at the house but she never came so he got sent to foster care and never saw his mum until 2 decades later. He was only 11. He was probably confused and scared and worried. And then he was sent from foster home to foster home. Probably changing schools a bunch. All alone. Getting bullied most likely and being called 'Toyman Jr'. Being the son of Toyman doesn't help the bullying when you're already a nerd and geek and probably get bullied for that. Oh and his dad also threatened to kill him and also caused him and his mother to crash so that's a great thing for him to deal with (he didn't know his dad caused it though or that his dad threatened him) and it caused him to have a concussion. He had to hide his relation to his father from everyone he knew so people didn't judge him or bully him. He even felt like he had to hide it from Kara, his best friend.

(Wellp I’ve ran out of room so uh I’ll continue the rest in another post)