#Alex Kister drama

[byyliss]

The most infuriating part about this whole situation is that no one will learn from it.

It doesn't matter how many times we all go through this whole song and dance, people don't seem to ever learn from their mistakes. When the next youtuber gets accused, people will once again jump on the bandwagon and destroy their career, and when someone brings up past situations they will just go "oh but this isn't like those times". People said that in the Alex kister situation when i said on Twitter this was similar to what happened to Kwite, then boom, it is.

The reason people like Ven, Orion, and all of those liars keep showing up is because people KEEP BELIEVING THEM. They parasite off things like the #metoo movement and we all just keep letting it happen. We never learn.

Look, im glad people are open to listen to possible victims, but unfortunately we cant automatically believe them without solid proof or having both sides. This "believe all victims" thing has been compromised, its corrupted, it doesn't work. We should listen, not immediately believe 100%, this is what needs to be the course of action to make sure people like Ven dont show up again.

How many lives will be destroyed or possibly taken before we start taking a neutral stance?

Please, use the Alex kister situation as a teaching moment. Remember what happened this past weeks when allegations come out against someone else.

Don't let people like Ven use actual victim's stories as a means to harm someone.

[listenheresweaty]

Reminder that Stirringjuice/Ven themself has said that TMC is not fetish content. Kister’s works are NOT an extension of what was described in the allegations document. If you don’t want to consume TMC content anymore, fine (best you don’t— not in a way that gives Kister money anyway), but don’t spread misinformation.

EDIT: after rereading Ven’s callout document and finally being able to access ALL the screenshots he attached, I have decided that I will no longer support him. I will not go back to supporting Alex Kister yet, but I cannot support a blatant ableist transphobe either. link to annotation doc: (not mine) https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vReErDatnpQ_h3W-WlqrmzmPN26-UyDwLVwBKmHV09WhVZtdZQM44HRxvoV0ZTz8Ho-NaBVKYxjNuha/pub

Things I will be addressing:

Why I do not support Ven (separate from other victims)

Stuff that Alex Kister DID do wrong, even if the allegations were exaggerated/faked/done out of malice

The allegations and victims themselves.

WHY I DONT SUPPORT VEN

First of all, this ⬇️ (scroll down its below the blue highlighted ss. Formatting issues sorry.). This is a ss of Ven’s (now deleted, now archived post) response to how many people are calling him transphobic for his transmisogynistic comments in his document, and how he had basically outed Alex. Instead of saying something like “it wasn’t transphobic — I had to out Alex— it was necessary for the victims/proof/whatever”, Ven just says that if Alex didn’t want to be outed or subjected to transphobia, he shouldn’t have been a “groomer” (Ven later says that he had misused the word “groomer”. Everyone that Alex had interacted with in a sexual or romantic manner had been an adult, and had fully explicitly VERBALLY consented.)

However. Even if your opponent is a bad person, you do NOT have the right to be transphobic. EVER. criticize them on whatever they’ve done wrong, hold them accountable in a balanced and civilized manner— etc. Being protected from bigotry/ not getting misgendered, privacy, legal counsel— these are all examples of RIGHTS.

When you start denying something based on whether someone deserves it or not, that “something” has become a privilege. By stating that his transphobia was excused because Alex is a supposedly bad person, Ven has stated that not being subjected to transphobia is a privilege. here’s the link: (takes forever to load the keep reading portion but it works for me) https://web.archive.org/web/20240317125855/https://www.tumblr.com/stirringjuicee/745117180204548096/alex-kister-and-actively-using-being-trans-to-lure

Screenshot of the post below, along with something from the callout doc (annotated by a tumblr user. The non-highlighted color text is the annotated bit.

—— ss from ven response (click. It IS An image it just looks like text)

—- now onto some more details.

Ven, or StirringJuice, made the first allegations document against Alex Kister. He had stated himself that he does not consider himself a victim, just a friend of the victims who wanted to spread the word. Ven starts the document off by describing his past relationship with Alex Kister. He also includes screenshots of text messages from Alex— which often contradict or have no relation with what he’s saying. This is why it’s important to look at the screenshots, guys! Most of the toxicity in Ven’s relationship with Alex stemmed from Ven’s refusal to honestly his boundaries or feelings. He told Alex that he was comfortable with the sexual comments, he told Alex that he was comfortable being just Friends with Benefits, and he told Alex that they were welcome to vent to him any time <- all of this is corroborated by the text screenshots that Ven himself posted.

In Ven’s text messages, we can see him suggesting that Alex gets a therapist. Great! Nothing wrong there. And then you actually look at the ss:

(Ven is the blue. These ss are linked in the callout document.)

First of all. You cannot force ANYONE to get mental help, regardless of whether you think it’s for their own well-being. If their behavior is harming you, leave. But even the worst people on earth deserve autonomy for these kinds of things. Ven literally states that he had FORCED Alex to get a therapist, and you can see him admit it in the messages above as well.

after these ss links (labeled part 9 in the doc), Ven hits us with this absolute banger:

“[Alex] then decided to go off his meds.”

Someone had already said this, but: YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO SAY THAT TO OR ABOUT A MENTALLY ILL PERSON. EVER. REGARDLESS OF WHO YOU ARE, OR WHO THEY ARE. it’s an insult to every mental health community.

^ also, Alex gives a pretty good reason for going off his medication. Not that they needed to.

^highlighted text is Ven’s callout post. Purple text is a fellow tumblr user’s annotations. They have a whole post with these annotations. I’ll credit them when I’m done writing out my post. [clarification: the annotator uses “she/her” pronouns for Alex, Ven uses he/him. I use they/them because Alex was never publicly OUT as she/her before they were outed, so I’m not sure what to do]

Also: please go on the callout doc and see the “pt. 11” screenshots yourself. There’s a lot of them and I don’t want to add them here, but please go see them.

^Ven hears that Alex wants to start a new chapter with them (yknow, like redeem the toxic relationship they’ve had) and immediately assumes it’s in the romantic sense.

^Alex admits that they are not ready for a committed relationship, a good first step for smoothing over any toxicity.

^nothing else to add. Annotator did great.

^ text ss as listed under the “pt. 14” link

These are 3 out of 10 ss under the Pt. 15 link. Look at the text indicated to with the red arrow (drawn by me). Ven literally tells Alex that they “don’t understand anything ever.” They also tell Alex in a later ss (plz find it yourselves because I’m not posting all 10 photos) that they “don’t understand [their] own emotions.”

Maybe Alex was making an unhealthy decision by continuing to reach out to someone they clearly had an unhealthy relationship with. But these responses are borderline abusive, especially when aimed at someone who suffers from paranoia.

A huge chunk of the entire callout doc is Ven venting about his relationship with Alex. This relationship is not abusive, it is toxic on both sides. The fact that Ven put this much focus on these barely relevant details— even when the topic was the victims, not Ven himself— suggests that he did this out of petty vindictiveness. If the allegations are true, the victims deserved a BETTER PERSON and a BETTER FRIEND to share their story. Not someone who did it purely because it was en excuse to get revenge. If it wasn’t revenge, why add all these details?? (funny thing— the whole doc. Would be more believable if Ven hadn’t added all this stuff. He destroyed his credibility before even getting to the allegations).

the one below has more transphobia and general assholery than ableism.

^apparently once you are out of the closet, you are not allowed to go back or feel ashamed. Else you are lying and manipulative. Thanks, Ven.

I am done posting screenshots from the annotation document. Please, PLEASE read it in full. I will tag it in the comments. There are so so so many good points.

STUFF THAT ALEX HAS DEFINITELY DONE WRONG, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THE ALLEGATIONS ARE TRUE OR FALSE:

(Orange text is annotator, black is original doc).

Venting to/ Relying on a minor fan for mental health support (I think it was Mitchie). That’s not good.

making allusions to suicide during their relationship with Ven. Joke or not, that’s unhealthy.

ALLEGATIONS/VICTIMS:

wont say much here because I’m getting tired. some people on Reddit have been pointing out that some discord ss (not the ones I’ve shown you, those were imessage ss) look faked because there is use of military time, which is not an option on discord apparently. Other screenshots seem to use different fonts as well, further indicating forged evidence. I have fact-checked none of this and can’t verify it (not that you should be relying on my word alone, anyway).

I do not support Mitchie, since they’ve been telling people to self-harm and/or commit suicide when they point out flaws in the callout doc. I don’t care what you’ve been through. There is no excuse for that.

As for the other victims.. I find their statements fishy. However, I will not disbelieve them until more has been cleared up.

[arsunorie]

Hi! I might be late to this, but i'd really like to contribute a little bit to a certain situation happening around the analog horror community:

ALEX KISTER's allegations: the copying fetish

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This post refers to only that one aspect, since that's the one i can confidently talk about, and i'd like to spread awareness about the whole thing somehow.

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How did this come to be?

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On March 12, 2024, twitter user STIRRINGJUICE posted a google document, which consisted of mainly relationship problems and grooming allegations against Alex Kister, creator of The Mandela Catalogue, although there was another aspect of it which people were posting more and more about: Alex Kister made Mandela Catalogue around his fetish about impersonating people.

To be more clear, this meant that the creator got off to/felt aroused by the act or impersonating others and 'becoming' them.

However, this was mostly a misinterpretation from the community, since the only text on the og document i could find was this:

I think the first image is cropped, so i'll post the text: "Alex has a scent fetish and would specifically enjoy copying people’s poses because he wanted to pretend to be them. DB didn’t know at all."

We can point out two things about this:

- The only thing being called a fetish is the scent, only saying that he enjoys copying people's poses and pretend to be them.

- In the discord message, Alex only mentions that he would have loved taking pictures in those poses, which was only a vague example (A bad use and lack of evidence imo).

So far, this is the only text that addresses this at all, the rest are just: 60% accuser's shitty relationship, and 40% the grooming allegations.

Now, i'd like to imagine that users mixed scent fetish, with copying people, and got the "Copying fetish", like in these posts:

(Don't send hate to anyone here, i will erase names if asked!)

We can agree that this is a misinterpretation of the document, because of users assuming that, if Alex Kister has a copying fetish, then TMC must be a fantasy about it! (And i don't blame them, it's logical with the main themes being that demons copy people).

When i saw this, i immediately called bs, and this is the point of the post:

The Mandela Catalogue doesn't exhibit any trait of fetish work.

Why? Simple!

A very common thing in fetish work, are these two things.

Romanticize the fetish: especially for weird, and straight up illegal fetishes! They might downplay the severity, and play the scene as something normal, TMC never does this, it portrays the Alternates as terrifying because of their abilities to kill without even harming the victim physically, and their near-immortality.

In Made in Abyss, the weird scenes where the kids speak about sexual stuff is shown as a normal scene, like if it was something kids normally talk about.

Using the fetish as the main thing: this means focusing on the fetish itself and giving them too much screentime, to show them in a good light. The fetish specifically means copying another, and most of the alternates never quite copy other people perfectly, the most infamous ones are deformed, non-human appearing and most don't even copy a character we've already seen, and viceversa, we don't see much of the alternate version after we've know about the real person. (Caesar Torres and his alternate, Preacher, the scary hallway guy, and the archangel Gabriel and his Alternate, to name a few)

You might expect the fetish content focusing only on the act that involves the fetish, which leads me to my last point.

They never show an alternate actually changing into somebody else, morphing their features to look like the exact person, a fetish scene might be where the alternate is slowly morphing their features in front of the other person, to the exact same traits in front of them.

A few more points:

Mark Heathcliff, the character interpreted by Alex Kister himself, doesn't really have it's own Alternate, 'Caesar' only becoming him after Mark dies, and only like a frame, i feel like someone with that fetish would insert themselves more? I'm not sure how to explain.

If the story was about the fetish, i don't think the series would even have the biblical references.

To back up my previous point, the inspiration of Mandela Catalogue is about the creator's existential crisis with Christianity, Covid, Local58, and the Walten Files, cited by both Wikpedia and an interview.

(So sorry for taking a photo, i really struggle with my phone)

And that's all i have! If you have any more evidence or points, feel free to know and i'll add them! Any criticism is welcomed, since this is my first post and i'm not an english speaker! I know it might be weird since i'm never active and i don't post about TMC, but i just had to support this thing somehow, thank you!

[fl4ky-sc3nek1d]

Thiz gonna be lazt pozt abt drama

pleaze DON'T HARAZZ PPL WHO R ALEX DEFENDERZ OR ZUPPORTERZ OR VICE-VERZA

Iz fucking wrong 2 do n' don't makez u a """"hero"""" or zum zhit,FYI alex iz innocent (again not FULLY but ztill) if u don't think he iz,iz FINE alzo if u zupport alex,iz FINE if u don't,iz FINE too if u r iz defender,iz FINE too harazzment don't will rezolve nothing it will worzt MORE

i do zupport alex bc that he zuffered alzo he lozt almozt everything but u y'all zhouldn't 2 harazz me bc of that

I'm tired of theze ppl doing that zhit

again DON'T DO THAT ZHIT IZ FUCKING WRONG

goddammit thiz drama zhouldn't 2 EXIZT

[tsubipriv]

Regarding the Mitcha situation...

Just wanted to put this here from Reddit, since I think it's a good take.

honestly at this point I don't think it matters if mitcha was right or not. She has proven time and time again that realistically she is not in this for supporting victims or spreading awareness of a potential predator. She is acting like nothing but a vile human being who is loving the attention they are getting, and just wanted to take down a semi-popular content creator just to fuel their own ego. They don't care about victims, they've made that abundantly clear, hell they've shown to barely care about the other victims, just themselves. All they want is the spotlight on themselves, and as soon as Alex takes that away and can prove their innocence (well as much as they can that is), mitcha will either run for the hills or fight tooth and nail against the response.

Don't go and harass Mitcha, of course. And no matter what the verdict of the allegations may be, that doesn't excuse Mitcha's behavior or their disregard for other potential victims.

[gothy-froggy]

Bad News

Alex Kister, creator of Mandela Catalog

While in my friend’s brand new discord server, someone posted a public Google doc that’s anonymous with MANY disturbing things about Alex Kister, the creator of Mandela Catalog.

Disclaimer: Yes, there are screenshots and screen recordings. With technology these days it’s hard to truly confirm anyone in this situation. But these are victims speaking up though they are anonymous for right now. I advise that no one is attacked, including Alex Kister. We do not know the truth and we’ve seen time and time again that acting without both sides causes more harm. But do not ignore the victims. This does NOT mean ignore the victims.

THIS IS NOT MY STORY

I am spreading this out since it haven’t been getting much of attention from my knowledge

For those who don’t have time to read all the way through at the moment

Here are two screenshots that will give you a tiny bit of information. There’s over 30 parts to this doc.

Here is the doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YwBO6haUGCKcSHBG6imFu4ox--lMK8IfE-IWYIm0Do8/preview?pli=1#heading=h.y3vqq1pfw64w

[markheathcliff1]

Just gotta say some things rn

      1. The Alex kister drama situation:

im just here to talk about the Alex drama that is happening rn I keep seeing people attacking Alex without knowing who is the real victim... You can't just blow up the target before knowing the truth behind... As you can tell Ven said in the doc that they are "a spy who came to destroy alex life" and that's a bit suspicious of someone to say that in the doc so you mean like you just came here to destroy alex career and life is that what you want?... If that so then you are a fucking monster Ven just gotta say it you're a horrible person who destroy people life and if you are one of their friends you should be ashamed of what they did

     2. The drama:

I have seen some people doing the fucking "grommer nae nae" trend with Alex and it's not funny and another thing saying "Alex in my new jail!" And putting him in a jail with a problematic people is not fucking funny ok you seriously not funny another thing when that goofy Russian person who just made a horrible Photoshop of Alex wearing a shit thing and saying "b-but I still call him a fembo-" your not cool for that do you like me calling you a brat when you don't want that mf stop being selfish 💀 

     3. exposed/doxxed:

buddy buddy do you really think that's a really good idea to do?... I don't fucking think it's cool to do that shit buddy exposing/ doxxing has family and dead grandpa or something is cool? You think it will make it not worse? No you litterly made it even worse then before he litterly got ghosted by DB and they we're a bad partner for him honestly what a horrible people....

     4. why Alex didn't mentions the other victims:

Bc they weren't that important DB and Ven are the most important people bc they are the reason that ruined Alex life and he had to mention some things about it and how they really didn't feel uncomfortable...like bro if you we're uncomfortable you can just say it and Alex will probably just fucking stop it don't you have mind you litterly said "no I'm fine with it I'm not uncomfortable!" DB said that to Alex and Ven when he self-haram you didn't actually care we know that

     5. Alex being racist but he's not:

Buddy please what the frick man? You litterly faked Alex being racist just for your goofy friend and do you think SORRY WILL litterly fix everything? No no no YOU RUIN IT EVEN MORE AND MAKE IT WORSE DUMMY Alex never said racist things to Andrew and you litterly saying I'm the doc "I don't have proof" but guess what some people actually believe that shit like what THERE WAS LITTERLY NO PROOF???? 

     6. why the doc is fake:

ok here is why the doc is fake just honestly Ven had just faked some images and times and hopefully there were some people who find out about it don't think your not in w big trouble Ven you in a worse trouble rn your just a coward Ven and you you know that

    7. More drama:

"quite saying Alex is innocent!" "Alex is not fully innocen-" ok buddy we know Alex is not fully innocent but what the hell you want else "you can't forgive him ye-" buddy please stop this is not about you some people can forgive him and some people not but now he turned out to be innocent and guilty and he's now the real victim here he have been doxxed/ghosted/exposed/people send him death threats/all the actors left him just for what? For a fucking relationship drama like what else you want you want him to go to Ven house and beg for apologize what's wrong with you... "I will support Alex victims until I di-" who cares if you die it's not like the victims will care if you support them bc they just want attention

     8. Problematic/grommer:

do you guys remember when Ven said that Alex is a grommer and a pedophile? Well he's not actually vent has deleted the post they made on tumble like it was nothing and then apologize for calling Alex a grommer and saying "we never mean Alex being grommer or pedophile" then why you said in the doc that he is pedo and manipulate then it turns out he's not? Crazy Ven you know people have fall for that shit weirdo

- I just  want this drama to end already and idc if you attack me it's not like I'm the only person who is on Alex side mf I ain't scared of no shit let us have the fun we always do I feel like this year destroy everything I hole everything get back to normal again

[rtttas]

Okay, as far as I can tell from the posts on many social networks, more and more details are surfacing, indicating both Alex's guilt and its absence. The victims are accused of lying, Alex does not show any action or actions to prove his innocence or justify himself. The truth is blurred now and can be anything. Serious accusations have flown in his direction and ignoring them is the height of idiocy. I HOPE that Alex will really respond to all this, because otherwise his guilt will be too acute to give him the opportunity to calmly stay anywhere in the media

And you know, even if he turns out to be innocent in this regard, I'll say this. I'm not going to apologize, or even more so I have my opinion for the better in relation to him.

Even if you do not take into account the possible involvement in this kind of thing, which everyone is talking about now, Alex has too many sins, which, worse, were ignored by the ENTIRE community of this project. It was as if Alex was the messiah, whose words absolutely everyone who was part of the community had to obey, and only his feelings were defined as a beacon. The situation with the artists who draw his characters in a romantic relationship will not allow you to lie. So many people have been harassed because of this. Just because Alex can't tell himself apart from the damn character he's playing. Just because his project is "Too good" for that. Because he is " Not comfortable " and he does not want to accept the Internet the way it is. He is an infantile, tactless, selfish person who does not know how to take responsibility for his words, considers himself the navel of the earth and does not want to accept help to change himself.

Consider him a good person? Never.

If this situation surfaced and turned out to be false, it was only because Alex himself created such an atmosphere in the community. He pitted people against each other, making an innocent face, making it clear which people he did not want to see around him because they were not what he wanted them to be. As a good man, he had to accept this harmless, inescapable side of his community. But of course he didn't. It was convenient and "comfortable" for him to knock his fans into crowds so that they gnaw those who he did not like. Wonderful, of course.

Ironically, in some wrong way, I'm glad about this whole situation only because I can finally calmly criticize his terrible sides, which were previously ignored and condemned by the "elite" of this damn community.

Guilty or not, I will never consider him a good person. Only a good creator. And these are different concepts. It's time to accept it

I'm waiting for hatred in my direction for my opinion. All the worst to you.

[thisrealitymymentalitysstuff]

EVERYONE!!! PLEASE READ THIS IT IS VERY IMPORTANT!!! https://twitter.com/MarkIvanov44/status/1769136340656951312?s=20

[byyliss]

This rabbit hole goes way deeper than any of us could have imagine

Edit: someone reported the document. We will try to get it back up

[listenheresweaty]

FINAL WORDS ON THE ALEX KISTER SITUATION

Since Ven uses they/he and not he/they like I previously thought, I will be referring to Alex as she/her to differentiate. If Alex is uncomfortable with this since her pronouns were not supposed to be public information, I will change this.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MandelaCatalogue/comments/1bn42fx/everyone_alex_made_a_response/

After reading Alex Kister’s response, and having read the language used in Ven’s callout doc (read my previous post on the matter), I am ready to say that I do not believe that Alex Kister is a groomer or predatory in any way. Victim DB— an adult AND older than Alex, like Ven— had explicitly consented to Alex’s flirting and sexual messages. There are screenshots showing this. Victim Donutqq changed their perspective on Alex only after someone told them, with little proof, that Alex’s intentions were predatory— before, they had been unbothered.

I extend my sympathies to 16-year old Mitcha for having been briefly used as a mental health crutch by Alex. I hold him completely accountable for that— but I also condemn Mitcha for the shit they’ve said on twitter. Telling people to self-harm or commit suicide and ACTUALLY DRIVING SOMEONE TO A SUICIDAL MINDSET is never, NEVER excusable (<- some people say Mitcha uses they/them, others say she/her. Lemme know).

I do not believe the grooming allegations against Kister, HOWEVER, I do not extend my full support. Although her intentions were not predatory, forming close relationships — especially romantic ones— with fans is not a good idea. She has taken accountability for this. Also, Alex had made efforts to stop interacting closely with fans LONG BEFORE THE CALLOUT DOCUMENT WAS MADE, by deleting fan-interaction servers (and possibly posting about how she was going to take a break from friendships- I think this was mentioned in the callout doc but I’m not sure). In the callout doc and Alex’s response, it is explained that DB and Ven took Alex’s attempts to change as her “hiding” from accountability and decided to start the smear campaign callout doc process.

^ss of Alex’s response. The discord screenshots come from Ven’s document as well. Please let me know if the last one is hard to read.

Alex also addressed and took full accountability for venting to her partner and an unwilling 16 year old. (Ss below)

^screenshot from Alex’s response. In short, there are things that Kister has done wrong— bad ideas, unhealthy things, etc. None, however, require her being deplatformed. And none are intentionally manipulative or predatory.

I will take a temporary break from providing monetary support to Alex in response to what she HAS done wrong, but I will not support the people who made the callout doc. The callout doc was a smear campaign.

let’s leave off with this lovely ss.

[fawnriver246]

DON'T TRUST FAKE VICTIMS

Alex Kister made a response to this drama read this don't give up on Alex Ven litterly Lied I think they did this because they are either bored and loved starting Drama Don't Trust Fake Victims guys You might think that they are victims but they are not I know who the actual real victim is and it is Alex He does not deserve this hate Read This Doc that he made before you Grab your pitchforks and torches Ven is a lier and Alex is actually Innocent https://t.co/29SaR1cnAU

[fl4ky-sc3nek1d]

my thoughtz abt teh drama now

remember iz juzt my opinion plz don't harazz me over it

well I find thiz drama waz very zhitty,I thought alex waz problematic,groomer n' pedophile bc I believed on doc I don't actually read it in grain of zalt alzo my friend zaid 2 me it that iz not fake n' I believed her,but I zaw teh ppl debunking teh doc that might 2 be fake I became neutral until alex rezponzez teh doc

i could like 2 apologize 4 jumping teh gun before alex rezponzez it waz zhitty on my part n' I zhouldn't 2 believed that doc n' that my friend zaid it

tbh I think alex iz innocent,not fully bc in fact he waz bad partner n' irrezponzible 2 their fanz I'm glad he take accountability of it but he iz ztill innocent

i think teh rezponze waz good rezponze I'm glad he takez accountability of that he did n' teh mozt thingz of teh doc waz fake

if r zaying "that abt teh other docz?" alex don't have 2 review all of them alzo theze r debunked by kirby_PPG on twitter

how I hated ven did that bullzhit doc he went tranzmizogyniztic n' ableizt on that doc n' mizuzed teh word "groomer" n' "parazzocial" damn he did that doc juzt bc they got butt hurted by alex,abt teh relationzhip needz 2 be rezolved IN PRIVATE NOT IN PUBLIC,damn I agree thiz lookz like a high zchool drama 💀 alzo thiz iz other reazon why dating on internet don't alwayz workz

alzo I hate that alex got harazzed n' doxxed,calling him with tranz zlur thiz iz dizguzting,zame if teh doc iz 100% u zhouldn't 2 do that u r putting him n' hiz family in rizk,doxxing iz not n' never will be juztifiable of it I'm glad that dumbazz who doxxed alex got taken down on Twitter but unfortunately teh commentz from hiz yt pozt not...

I'm zad that martin (iz very dizappointing bc I am teh walten filez fan),chezzkidz,teh modz who waz working on TMC FNF modz,blackMEZ,alex kaizo n' etc jumped teh gun before alex rezponzez n' zided teh "victimz" (they ztill zidez with them) n' they literally actz like immature kidz,which thiz iz very unprofezzional tbh (mainly on chezzkidz) I find thiz iz very upzetting

alzo I think mozt VAz (except thorne ig) left iz bc they want 2 zave their azzez from harazzment,doxxing n' zhit,ppl thinkz if u r neutral which meanz u r horrible perzon

i feel bad of alex he don't dezervez that...

twitter iz a huge zhitty platform which everyone hatez each other,harazz ppl n' doxx them too,tell ppl 2 kill themzelvez n' alot of zhit alzo cancel culture iz a huge cancer tho

alzo I might get hated of thiz,but I will zupport alex bc she lozt almozt everything like friendz,employeez,fanz n' etc...I hope they recoverz that...

i hope everything will be fine n' move on teh drama thiz waz very wild...

n' again don't harazz me bc of my opinion iz very zhitty 2 do

n' don't harazz alex,"victimz" n' anyone they never dezerve that.

TLDR;teh drama iz very zhit,I thought alex waz a problematic bc of doc,but after I zaw ppl debunking teh doc I became neutral until alex rezponzez,I think alex iz innocent,not fully but ztill that ven did iz terrible,iz dizguzting that he got doxxed n' harazzed i'm zad that internet horror creatorz that ztill ziding teh victimz,i think mozt of VAz left bc they don't want 2 be attacked twitter zuckz n' I will zupport alex bc of that he zuffered.

alzo I'm zorry that my Englizh iz zhitty,bc iz not my firzt language

[tsubipriv]

Updates from Ven

Original situation summary | Stirringjuice's post

Ven states that a better word to use for Alex's behavior would be "predatory". They also state some of their friends would use the word "grooming" to describe that behavior.

The Hooters photoshopped image [which was never in the documents] was made as a joke separately from Ven and the situation. The creator was shocked anyone believed it.

Server B was modded by Ven, but never owned by Alex

The server Alex's messages were sent to by Ven was Kister Klassic, which was a private server owned by Alex. People there, including the minors present, were people who worked with Alex and were friends with Ven.

Von was not in this server, and was only in Server B with Ven. Ven did not share the messages with Von. A third party leaked them and shared them with others, which included Von and Donut. Ven asked this group to stay silent about the situation after learning about the leak.

[rebbystuff]

After reviewing some DSMP drama and other stuff...

I've come to the conclusion that the whole genre is SOULESS! Everyone doesn't care about each other and only cares about money! You either are a groomer, falsely accused of being a groomer, or are a yes man and follow what's popular on twitter! Even if the accusations are false you are still a groomer! The only respectable influencers are Technoblade (Rest in Piece) and of course Philza Minecraft, CAUSE THEY AIN'T CALLING THEMSELVES INFLUENCERS!

I'm sorry for calling Dream a pedophile, even though everything else I called him is right! This is why you listen to both sides first, cause the believe all victims mentality falls flat when you don't know who's the victim. This is also why terraria better.

If you are a victim of sexual assault always come forward, but please provide evidence due to these unfortunate false accusations ruining the mix. That or your abusers come up with a lousy excuse for your trauma, that's an insta-killer.

I'll be patient for Alex Kister's further response...

[eves-askblog]

As a person with trust issues, I have decided that I'm not gonna pick a side and just distract myself with my oc lore.