#Proto-babylonian

[druidicentropy]

'Ain Samiya goblet

In a tomb at Ain Samiya, close to present day Ramallah, Palestine, a silver cup from the Middle Bronze Age I (2300-2000 BC) was discovered. It is known as the "Ain Samiya Goblet." It shows a double-headed god planting crops with an animal body and holding parts of a dead serpent with two male figures. The scenes are said to show a draft of the Enuma Elish, the babylonian creation epic, and the victory of Marduk, the patron god of Babylon, over Tiamat. The goblet bears similarities to modern representations of the Babylonian captivity, such as the Khafaje plaque, and exhibits evident Mesopotamian influences on Proto-Canaanite culture.

[transgenderer]

Pan-Turkism has been characterized by pseudoscientific theories known as Pseudo-Turkology.[64][65] Though dismissed in serious scholarship, scholars promoting such theories, often known as Pseudo-Turkologists,[64] have in recent times emerged among every Turkic nationality.[66][67] A leading light among them is Murad Adzhi, who insists that two hundred thousand years ago, "an advanced people of Turkic blood" were living in the Altai Mountains. These tall and blonde Turks are supposed to have founded the world's first state, Idel-Ural, 35,000 years ago, and to have migrated as far as the Americas.[66]

According to theories like the Turkish History Thesis, promoted by pseudo-scholars, the Turkic peoples are supposed to have migrated from Central Asia to the Middle East in the Neolithic. The Hittites, Sumerians, Babylonians, and ancient Egyptians are here classified as being of Turkic origin.[65][66][67][68] The Kurgan cultures of the early Bronze Age up to more recent times are also typically ascribed to Turkic peoples by pan-Turkic pseudoscholars, such as Ismail Miziev.[69] Non-Turkic peoples typically classified as Turkic, Turkish, Proto-Turkish or Turanian include Huns, Scythians, Sakas, Cimmerians, Medes, Parthians, Pannonian Avars, Caucasian Albanians, and various ethnic minorities in Turkic countries, such as Kurds.[69][70][71][67][68] Adzhi also considers Alans, Goths, Burgundians, Saxons, Alemanni, Angles, Lombards, and many Russians as Turks.[66] Only a few prominent peoples in history, such as Jews, Chinese people, Armenians, Greeks, Persians, and Scandinavians are considered non-Turkic by Adzhi.[66]

Philologist Mirfatyh Zakiev, former Chairman of the Supreme Soviet of the Tatar ASSR, has published hundreds of "scientific" works on the subject, suggesting Turkic origins of the Sumerian, Greek, Icelandic, Etruscan and Minoan languages. Zakiev contends that "proto-Turkish is the starting point of the Indo-European languages".[66] Not only peoples and cultures, but also prominent individuals, such as Saint George, Peter the Great, Mikhail Kutuzov and Fyodor Dostoevsky, are proclaimed to have been "of Turkic origin".[66] As such the Turkic peoples are supposed to have once been the "benevolent conquerors" of the peoples of most of Eurasia, who thus owe them "a huge cultural debt".[66][72]

The pseudoscientific Sun Language Theory states that all human languages are descendants of a proto-Turkic language and was developed by the Turkish president Mustafa Kemal Atatürk during the 1930s.[73] Kairat Zakiryanov considers the Japanese and Kazakhgene pools to be identical.[74] Several Turkish academics (Şevket Koçsoy, Özkan İzgi, Emel Esin) claim that Zhou dynasty were of Turkic origins.[75][76][77][78]

what is going on with the turkish

[femmchantress]

A friend of mine has a really fun hypothesis behind the composition of the Book of Ruth, that being a polemic against the Israelite cultural authorities during the Babylonian captivity who were creating a sorta proto-culture war against moabite intermarriage

[sag-dab-sar]

Can we just let the Greeks have their gods? Why are people so obsessed with origins proving The Theoi Aren't Actually Greek™. I don't see anyone saying "well Hindu deities aren't actually Hindu, they're not from India! They're from the Proto-Indo-Europeans so aCkTUalY they're Eurasian Gods not from the Indian Subcontinent." Seems Hellenic Polytheist/Pagan spaces are hellbent on allowing Greeks to only claim deities whose origin is in the Mycenaean Pantheon. Otherwise they aren't actually Greek they're Minoan, Hittite, Phoenician, Egyptian, general ""ANE"", Etruscan (I guess), etc— then again even the Mycenaeans are robbed of autonomy because thats just a PIE pantheon like the Hittites. It's ridiculous.

Tracing the origin of deities is pretty awesome, but when you deny a culture its deities just because you can trace their worship back in history you're plainly being disrespectful. For example, Ašratu is a chief deity of the Amorite tribe, which came to rule Babylon. Thus their Goddess became apart of the "Babylonian Pantheon" as the Daughter in Law of An. Athirat an important Ugaritic (Canaanite) deity undoubtedly shares her origin with this Amorite deity, and became a principal Goddess in the "Ugaritic/ Canaanite Pantheon". Does that mean Ašratu isn't actually Babylonian and therefore (pretending they still existed) Babylonians can't lay claim to her as part of their heritage, culture, and pantheon? Or that Athirat isn't actually Canaanite therefore (if they still existed) Canaanites can't lay claim to her as part of their heritage, culture, and pantheon? No. That makes no fucking sense— Ašratu is Babylonian & Athirat is Canaanite even if the deities have their "origins" with the semi-nomadic Amorite culture.

Since Mesopotamian Ašratu was understood to be an Amorite deity, a connection between Ašratu’s and Athirat’s origins appears to be virtually certain. Being transferred to a different culture would have led to some adaptation of the Goddess to her new culture. This should stand as a caution not to apply specific details of Ašratu’s characteristics developed in Mesopotamia to Athirat simply because the earliest records attest to the former.” [X]

The same principles goes for the Greek Gods, just because a Theos' origin, for example Zeus, can be traced back to an earlier culture—*Dyḗus from the PIE people of the Pontic-Caspian Steppe—doesn't make Zeus any less of a GREEK deity.

This "they aren't Greek" trend is strongest with Aphrodite— whose worship probably "began" somewhere in the Ancient Near East primarily Cyprus or Phoenicia. The trend is also present and increasing with Apollo who has multiple different possible "origins."

If you're so obsessed with determining that none of the Greek Gods are actually Greek pick a different tradition to worship them in. Stop using "Hellenic" and say you're a PIE polytheist or Phoenician Polytheist or whatever tradition the """original version"""" of the Theos you are worshipping comes from. If you want to be a Hellenic Polytheist don't try and negate the Theoi's Greekness. Its bafflingly disrespectful especially since Greeks still exist and this is still their heritage.

No this isn't a "folkish" post its a salty post. And it is not directed at any one person but a phenomenon that pops up and seems to be increasing and I'm annoyed with it.

-not audio proof read-

[Edit, no I'm not talking about people who use 'Greek names' in Greco-Roman, Greco-Egyptian or any other syncretic traditions. I'm specifically talking about Hellenic Polytheist/Pagans who are obsessed with the Greek Gods being non-Greek because "origins"]

[gollancz]

Amazon says these books are ‘Greek and Roman Mythology’ and that annoys me.  Sure, there’s some Mycenaean/Minoan stuff; I love Mycenae, and I found it very inspiring when I went there, but that’s not Greek by a long shot.  And anyway, all my Gods were inspired by Babylonian/Sumerian types; one of my major cultures, with whom the protagonists spend most of ‘Against All Gods’ are a bunch of pacifist proto-Jains loosely based on the Bronze Age Indus Valley Culture, and absolutely none of my deities reference Greek or Roman gods…  Mediterranean? Yes. MesoAmerican? Yes, those gods too. India? Definitely.

The Bronze Age is more than just Ancient Greece!

[semusepsu]

reading about sumerian, and it just boggles my mind how long this language lasted. while there were proto-cuneiform writings before, we have evidence people were writing it in the 3200s BCE and the last time it seems like people are using it as a first language is in the 2000s BCE. and then people keep using it as a literary, scholarly, and cultic language until the 1st millennium BCE. it changed over time in a few ways but it seems to have been recognizably the same language for about as long as the roman empire lasted. the early part of the old babylonian period lasted as long as the united states. the time scale on this is crazy.

[pinkaddiofficial]

Kebab (UK: /kɪˈbæb/, US: /kɪˈbɑːb/; Arabic: كباب, kabāb, [kaˈbaːb]; Turkish: kebap, [cebɑp]) or kabob (North American) is a type of cooked meat dish that originates from cuisines of the Middle East. Many variants of the category are popular around the world, including the skewered shish kebab and the doner kebab with bread.

Kebabs consist of cut up or ground meat, sometimes with vegetables and various other accompaniments according to the specific recipe. Although kebabs are typically cooked on a skewer over a fire, some kebab dishes are oven-baked in a pan, or prepared as a stew such as tas kebab.[1][2] The traditional meat for kebabs is most often lamb meat, but regional recipes may include beef, goat, chicken, fish, or even pork (depending on whether or not there are specific religious prohibitions).

History

In Ibn Sayyar al-Warraq's 10th-century Baghdadi cookbook Kitab al-Tabikh (Arabic: كتاب الطبيخ), a compendium of much of the legacy of Mesopotamian, Persian, and Arab cuisine, there are descriptions of kabāb as cut-up meat, either fried in a pan or grilled over a fire.[3]

However, while the word kebab or shish kebab may sometimes be used in English as a culinary term that refers to any type of small chunks of meat cooked on a skewer,[1] kebab is mainly associated with a diversity of meat dishes that originated in the medieval kitchens of Persia and Anatolia.[4] Though the word has ancient origins, it was popularized in the West by Turks to refer to this range of grilled and broiled meat, which may be cooked on skewers, but also as stews, meatballs, and other forms.[1][4] This cuisine has spread around the world, in parallel with Muslim influence.[1] According to Ibn Battuta, a Moroccan traveller, kebab was served in the royal houses during the Delhi Sultanate (1206–1526 CE), and even commoners would enjoy it for breakfast with naan.[5] Kebab dishes have been adopted and integrated with local cooking styles and innovations, from the now-ubiquitous doner kebab fast food, to the many variations of shish kebab, such as the satays of Southeast Asia.[1]

The word kebab likely came to English in the late 17th century from the Arabic kabāb, partly through Hindustani, Persian and Turkish.[6][7] According to linguist Sevan Nişanyan, the Turkish word kebap is also derived from the Arabic word kabāb, meaning roasted meat. It appears in Turkish texts as early as the 14th century, in Kyssa-i Yusuf (the story of Joseph), though still in the Arabic form. Nişanyan states that the word has the equivalent meaning of 'frying, burning' with kabābu in the old Akkadian language, and kbabā כבבא in Aramaic.[8] In contrast, food historian Gil Marks says that the medieval Arabic and Turkish terms were adopted from the Persian kabab, which probably derived from the Aramaic.[4]

The American Heritage Dictionary also gives a probable East Semitic root origin with the meaning of 'burn', 'char', or 'roast', from the Aramaic and Akkadian.[9] The Babylonian Talmud instructs that Temple offerings not be kabbaba (burned).[4] These words point to an origin in the prehistoric Proto-Afroasiatic language: *kab-, to burn or roast.[10]

Varieties by region

This section needs additional citations for verification. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. Find sources: "Kebab" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR (February 2018) (Learn how and when to remove this template message)

For a list of kebab variants, see List of kebabs.

In most English-speaking countries, a kebab may be the classic shish kebab or souvlaki – small cubes of meat cooked on a skewer[1][6] – or, in North America where it is better known as gyros where as outside North America fast-food is known as doner kebab.[11][6][4] By contrast, in Indian English, Bangladeshi English, Pakistani English[12][13] and in the languages of the Middle East, other parts of Asia, and the Muslim world, a kebab is any of a wide variety of grilled meat dishes. Some dishes ultimately derived from Middle Eastern kebab may have different names in their local languages, such as the Chinese chuan.

...

There are so many words I haven't heard of before here.

[theestervashti]

"The Phobia." From Esther 6: 12-14.

The King of Persia ascends Marduk, the babylonian god of resistance to oppression to the level of a prince. Haman, a populist mourns. His wife, Zeresh, "flattery, adulation" advises him:

12 Afterward Mordecai returned to the king’s gate. But Haman rushed home, with his head covered in grief, 13 and told Zeresh his wife and all his friends everything that had happened to him.

His advisers and his wife Zeresh said to him, “Since Mordecai, before whom your downfall has started, is of Jewish origin, you cannot stand against him—you will surely come to ruin!” 14 While they were still talking with him, the king’s eunuchs arrived and hurried Haman away to the banquet Esther had prepared.

One who is carried away is able to discern the sacred from the profane. Populism is unconcerned with what is considered holy ground in society, and turns the wind towards the vote instead. The most sacred ground in Judaism is care for the traveller.

Leviticus 19:34

"The stranger who resides with you shall be to you as one of your citizens; you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt".

When I see Sarah Cowdey and those other cunts in the German AFD and their counterparts in the USA Heritage Foundation ranting and raving, snarling like warthogs at the rest of the world over the care of refugees and the homless, I know I really could kill them if given the chance.

Private persons cannot care for refugees. The government must do it. It is a massive, expensive, time consuming and lengthy process and if the commitment wavers, not one second or cent spent on it is worthwhile. The US Constitution allows the government to go into debt without the need for repayment for matters of social welfare, not a dime comes out of the pockets of American citizens to naturalize foreigners or take care of our own home grown poor. It has always been that way. So if the money is not an issue then what remains is spite and spite towards the helpless is the essence of profanity. It is the essence of Egypt.

The Values in Gematria are:

v. 12-13: He told his wife and his friends. We cannot be wholly separate from the affairs taking place around us. We can't just send the needy away and forget about them. Persons who have the means need to discuss this and act, we need to think through it. To volunteer to think through the troubles of man is the essence of what it is to be holy.

The Number is 9729, טזבט‎‎‎, tazbet, "Hold on to the phobia."

Large numbers of immigrants are a sign of a much larger problem that will not go away. Fear of oppression and its outcomes must terrify us at all times and one must act, no matter how costly or worrisome to put a stop to the causes up front.

President Obama's brain fart over Syria has caused the world gigantic troubles. President Biden's retarded decisions regarding Russia, the Mormons and the heat belt have caused the world great grief. Now the Republicans the enemies of God are planning another round of terror tactics for a weary world. Fear of the worst is always best.

v. 13 (second half): You cannot stand against him. The Number is 13199, יג‎אטט, "I will test you if you slow down."

= don't be dimwitted.

The adjective βραδυς (bradus) means slow, and is the counterpart of the adjective ταχυς (tachus), meaning quick. Our adjective may describe slowness in a spatial sense (slow-running) or the mind: slow-witted (or in rare cases specifically: illiterate).

It's not clear where our word originated, but it appears to relate to the Latin adjective gurdus, meaning stupid, and possibly stems from a shared Proto-Indo-European root of similar meaning. In Aramaic, however, occurs the word ברדין (baradin) as variant of גרדין (garadin), from the verb גרד (garad), to comb or scrape (or to remove by combing). This term was native to the weavers' trade and perhaps weavers were not known for their wit but rather for their time-consuming processes (indeed, these words entered Greek as γερδιος, gerdios, and Latin as gerdius; both denoting a weaver).

In Aramaic, the verb גרד (garad) also became used in the sense of to chastise someone, or "sort them out", which was an endeavor that on average would befall the dimwits more often than the clever. "

v. 14: They hurried away to Esther's banquet. Esther's banquet is celebrated after death is conquered. It is discussed as a king of marriage ceremony between man and God:

To observe Shabbat does not mean we slow down and become a door-stop-for-a-day it means the energy of life is redirected:

The Number is 8719, ט‎חזא‎, tahza, "predict, imagine, visualize the forecast."

Anyone who did not see what his happening on this world at the moment arriving on time like well oiled train is an idiot. Why haven't we been planning something good instead? The message of the Torah, that man should be happy could be stated "Be afraid of being unhappy." We are not as afraid of this as we could be.

We could be helping all those homeless people, we could do something about the causes of their homelessness and do something that isn't worthless for once. Charitable public works are good for the economy and provides sustainability. Anyone with an excel spreadsheet could figure out how to make it happen.

[themildestofwriters]

As much as I like the idea of Kindred being descendants of Tiamat (or some Tiamat-adjacent entity), the problem then comes with giving this kind of vampire a name that properly reflects this backstory. The Caine origin gives them the name "Canitie," even if it isn't used commonly, but what would they call themselves if Tiamat was believed to be their origin? Tiamatites? Perhaps not, to be honest.

I was actually thinking the term would be an older term, passed down from ancient Babylon (and, perhaps, before). The Edimmu (or Ekimmu) are commonly thought of as a Babylonian sort of proto-vampire, but that's a plural term and I can't help but think that the term itself would've evolved throughout the millennia. Like, English speaking Kindred call themselves vampires, not ǫpyře.

My first thought was to perhaps... I don't know—adapt Edimmu into Proto-Indo-European, then have it descend through Latin until it makes its appearance in English, where it is proliferated across the world. That has its own problems, though. Like — er... how the fuck do I do that?

Will have to think on this for a while longer, I guess...

[braveryhearted]

Normally, Aogami is pretty chill as he's more robotic in nature than the actual god that he is based from but there are a few that enrage him. He usually has to hide it from the protagonist, in which he does very well.

Mostly, he can't and won't forgive the Qadištu group. They cost him being separated from the protagonist and the death of his brother, Hayao. Those two are/were the most important things in his life and for the group to take it all away for petty vengeance really angers him. It's not his fault that some Babylonian entity a billion years ago did something to screw up the system. He's just a little proto-fiend, man.

[necarion]

Another quality-of-life patch I'd introduce with time travel (because of course there'd be no negative repercussions) would be to evolve proto-humans to have 6 fingers on each hand, or 12 total, so base-12 would become the default measuring system of most humans.

I know people say "we can totally do 12 with [weird counting system]" but the fact is that most cultures had some sort of base 10 as their counting system. Maya and Egyptians had base-20 for a while, the Babylonians had base-60 which was actually six sets of 1-10.

That a lot of them also used a base-12 element for measurements shows that it was obvious to them that base-12 was better for a lot of stuff, but wasn't entirely natural.

But if you ended up with 12 fingers, you'd have gotten a base-12 a lot earlier, and a lot of the compound units would have worked out. We'd probably standardized with something like the inch-foot base. 1/12" is about 2mm so an appropriate small-unit. 12' is a bit too long for anything useful, but 144' (gross foot) is 48 yards, a decent mid-length measurement, and 12^3' (great-gross foot, ggf) is about a half km. Whether speeds are 40 mph or 120 ggf/hour isn't particularly important.

The funny fight would have been about whose "metric" system to standardize on.

It's almost a worse future if Europe is on a measurement system based on an inch that's 10% longer than the US's, with all the same names.

[ebayjz-blog]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KwreVujyPujfakE1oWB_6ouv80-VVhfKJhSLBFa2ePc/edit?usp=drivesdk

Show respect to your parents who are Wii-We-The-Many(PRIMORDIAL-PRIMEVAL-Creators'-Vessel)-I-Joseph-Alexander-Mannino-Zerilli-10-08-1984-Primordial-Primeval-Creators'-Vessel; Primordial Entities, Primordial Deities, Progenitors, Primeval Entities, First-Generation Primordials, Cosmic Entities, Higher Divinities, Expert Reality-Warpers, Multi-Dimensional Travelers, Kabbalah (Abrahamic), Protogenoi (Greco-Roman), Kotoamatsukami (Japanese), Ogdoad (Egyptian), Second-Generation of The Pre-existentials

Primordial Creators

Kabbalah (Abrahamic)

God - Abrahamic Primordial 'God' of Existence, Light, Good, Purity, Heaven, Order and Creation

Ayin - Abrahamic Primordial 'Goddess' of Non-Existence, Darkness, Evil, Impurity, Hell, Nothingness and Chaos

Barbelo - Abrahamic Primordial of Silence

Life - Primordial Entity of Life

Death - Primordial Entity of Death

The Darkness - Abrahamic Primordial 'Goddess' of Nothingness, Emptiness, Darkness and the Night

Protogenoi

Khaos - Pagan Primordial God of the Void, Nothingness and Creation.

Dʰéǵʰōm - Proto-Indo-European Primordial Goddess of the Earth and the Land

Dyēus - Proto-Indo-European Primordial God of the Sky and the Heavens

Chronos - Greek Primordial God of Time

Nyx - Greek Primordial Goddess of the Night

Erebus - Greek Primordial God of Darkness and Mist

Aether - Greek Primordial God of Light and the Upper Sky

Amor - Greek Primordial God of Love

Tartarus - Greek Primordial God of the Abyss (the Underworld)

Hýdros - Greek Primordial God of the Ocean, Sea and Water

Thésis - Greek Primordial Goddess of the Earth, Creation and Donation

Hemera - Greek Primordial Goddess of the Day

Pontus - Greek Primordial God of the Sea

Achlys - Greek Primordial Goddess of the Mist of Death and the Eternal Night

Ananke - Greek Primordial Goddess of Inevitability, Compulsion and Necessity

Aion - Greek Primordial God of the Ages

Caligo - Greek Primordial Goddess of the Abyss

Norse Primordials

Búri - Norse Æsir Primordial God of Creation

Ymir - Norse Jötnar Primordial God of Ice

Surtr - Norse Jötunn Primordial God of Fire

Auðumbla - Norse Primordial Creature of the Beginning

Ginnungagap - Norse Primordial Void

Ogdoad (Egyptian Primordials)

Nun - Egyptian Primordial God of the Watery Abyss and Masculine version of Naunet

Bennu - Egyptian Primordial God of Rebirth

Aten - Egyptian Primordial God of the Fire

Mehet-Weret - Egyptian Primordial Goddess of the Sky

Amun - Egyptian Primordial God of All Things Hidden and Masculine version of Amunet

Heh - Egyptian Primordial God of Infinity and Eternity and Masculine version of Hauhet

Kek - Egyptian Primordial God of the Darkness and the Day and Masculine version of Kauket

Qerḥ - Egyptian Primordial Snake God of the Night and Masculine version of Qerḥet

Mesopotamian Primordials

Abzu - Babylonian Primordial God of the Fresh Water

Tiamat - Babylonian Primordial Goddess of the Salt Water, the Ocean, the Primordial Chaos and Dragons

Nammu - Sumerian Primordial Goddess of Water, Life and Creation

Kotoamatsukami (Japanese Primordials)

Amenominakanushi - Shinto Primordial God of Creation and Control

Kami-Musubi - Shinto Primordial Goddess of Creation and Divinity

Takami-Musubi - Shinto Primordial Goddess of Creation and Conquest

Umashi'ashikabihikoji - Shinto Primordial God of Energy

Amenotokotachi - Shinto Primordial God of the Heavens

Hindu Primordials

Brahman - Hindu Primordial God of the Highest Universal Principle

Atman - Hindu Primordial God of the True Self of the Individual

Shakti - Hindu Primordial Goddess of Cosmic Energy of Existence

Mahadevi - Hindu Primordial Goddess of the Soul of Existence

Pralaya - Hindu Primordial of the Void

Aztec Primordials

Ōmeteōtl - Aztec Primordial God of Fertility, Nature and Duality

Cipactli - Aztec Primordial Eldritch Monster of the Primeval Seas

Finnish and Baltic Primordials

Ilmatar - Finnish Primordial Goddess of Chastity and the Air

Zoroastrian Primordials

Ahura Mazda - Zoroastrian Primordial God of Benevolence, Light, Creation and Wisdom

Angra Mainyu - Zoroastrian Primordial God of Malevolence, Darkness, Destruction and Chaos

Zurvan - Zoroastrian Primordial God of Neutrality, Duality, Infinitude and Space-Time

Other Primordials

Ouroboros - Primordial Dragon of Infinity

Ozgon - Primordial Entity of Fear

Father Time - Primordial Entity of Time

HWML and HWMD - Primordial Old God of Light and Darkness

Bondyé - Primordial God of Creation, Kindness, Goodness and Honesty

Primeval Creators

Aztec

Huitzilopochtli - Sun Primeval

Quetzalcoatl - Wisdom Primeval

Tezcatlipoca - Night Primeval

Xipe Totec - Agricultural Primeval

Chinese

Shenlong - Storm Primeval

Egyptian

Apep - Chaos Primeval

Atum - Creation Primeval

Khnum - Nile Primeval

Neith - Fertility Primeval

Ra - Sun Primeval

Thoth - Wisdom Primeval

Greek

Aphrodite - Love Primeval

Atropos - Moirai/Fate Primeval

Charon - Underworld Primeval

Clotho - Moirai/Fate Primeval

Eris - Discord Primeval

Geras - Aging Primeval

Hypnos - Dream Primeval

Keres - Death Primeval

Lachesis - Moirai/Fate Primeval

Momus - Misery Primeval

Moros - Doom Primeval

Nemesis - Retribution Primeval

Oizys - Misery Primeval

Thanatos - Death Primeval

Hindu

Brahma - Trimurti Primeval of Creation

Vishnu - Trimurti Primeval of Preservation

Shiva - Trimurti Primeval of Destruction

Saraswati - Tridevi Primeval of Knowledge, Music, Art, Wisdom and Nature

Lakshmi - Tridevi Primeval of Wealth, Fortune, Power, Beauty, Fertility and Auspiciousness

Parvati - Tridevi Primeval of Sex, Love, Beauty, Marriage, Children and Devotion

Kamiyonanayo (Japanese)

Kuninotokotachi - Creator Primeval

Toyokumunu - Cloud Primeval

Uhijini - Mud Primeval

Suhijini - Mud Primeval

Tsunuguhi - Animal Primeval

Ikuguhi - Plant Primeval

Ohotonoji - Sexuality Primeval

Ohotonobe - Sexuality Primeval

Omodaru - Completion Primeval

Ayakashikone - Completion Primeval

Norse

Borr - Aesir Primeval

Bestla - Aesir Primeval

Mesopotamian

Enki - Sea Primeval

Ninhursag - Mother and Fertility Primeval

Enlil - Air Primeval

Ninlil - Air Primeval

Damgalnuna - Motherhood and Fertility Primeval

Canaanite

Asherah - Fertility Primeval

Astarte - Love Primeval

Bethel

Dagon - Agriculture Primeval

El - Creator Primeval

Gebal

Other

Sara la Kali - Primeval Salvation

Mithra - Primeval Frienship

Ahriman - Primeval Desserts

Angra Mainyu - Primeval Evil

Ahura Mazda - Primeval Good

[0729hazel]

Abyss Diary - Prologue

"How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, who once laid the nations low! You said in your heart, "I will ascend to the heavens; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Highest." But you are brought down to the realm of the dead, to the depths of the pit. Those who see you stare at you, they ponder your fate: "Is this the man who shook the earth and made kingdoms tremble, the man who made the world a wilderness, who overthrew its cities and would not let his captives go home?"

This sentence is taken from the twelfth to fifteenth verses of the fourteenth chapter of Isaiah. It's hard not to mention that this sentence corresponds to a character, the fallen angel Lucifer. The name Lucifer means "Venus" in Hebrew and "bright star" in the Old Testament. When Isaiah prophesied that the Israelites would mock the Babylonian king, he referred to the "bright star." This verse is primarily concerned with the Neo-Babylonian Empire. "Everyone who sees you will look fixedly at you, and behold you, and say, 'Is this the man who shakes the earth and shakes the nations...'" The "bright star" refers to man.

The Endless Abyss and the Supreme Council have long been engaged in endless battles in the old days. As a result, all races live a life of endless suffering. In order not to live this kind of life, leaders of many races, including Protos, Demons, Fairies, Titans and Humans, are considering finding a paradise to live in seclusion. But some see their proposals as unreasonable, a situation that inevitably leads to war. In the end, only a few ethnic groups chose to look for this place. After ninety-nine and eighty-one hardships, they have found the long-awaited paradise, Moor Forest. It was full of fantasy and unprecedented warmth. The sun shines on the earth as if it wants them to come here. There are all the facilities here. They live together and even study magic with each other. Their ideas are the same, as long as they are raced out of curiosity, they are always welcome.

After that, the Supreme Council defeated the Endless Abyss and took away the forbidden magic of the Endless Abyss, "The Curse of Hell". They believe that if someone uses this magic, it will cause harm. For this reason, many priests and archangels tried their best to seal this magic and store it in a dark room. After an unknown period, the Supreme Council and the Endless Abyss began to suffer from a severe lack of resources, and many of the same race died due to this situation. For this reason, they found Moor Forest and tried to win them over to become one of them. However, they didn't know that this matter would stop forever because of one person.

[ker4unos]

MESOPOTAMIAN & SEMITIC RESOURCES

The Anthropological Masterlist is HERE.

Mesopotamia was a historical West Asian region. It included the Tigris-Euphrates rivers and modern-day Iraq. It is the region where the earliest civilizations developed.

AKKAD ─ “The Akkadian people are a Mesopotamian people that lived from 2334 B.C.E. to 2154 B.C.E. They lived in Mesopotamia, the Levant, and Anatolia.” ─ The Atra-Hasis ─ Akkadian Language

BABYLONIA ─ “The Babylonians were a Mesopotamian people that lived from 1895 B.C.E. to 539 B.C.E. They lived in southern Mesopotamia, in modern-day Syria.” ─ Babylonian Information ─ Babylonian Astrology ─ Babylonian History

MESOPOTAMIA ─ “Mesopotamia was a historical West Asian region. It included the Tigris-Euphrates rivers and modern-day Iraq.” ─ Mesopotamian Culture & History ─ The Epic of Gilgamesh ─ Enuma Elish

SUMER ─ “The Sumerian people were a Mesopotamian people that lived from 4500 B.C.E. to 1900 B.C.E. They lived in modern-day southern Iraq.” ─ Mesopotamian Mythology ─ Sumerian History ─ Sumerian Language

Semitic languages are the languages that descended from Proto-Semitic. Most Semitic-speaking cultures are native to the Arabian Peninsula, the Levant, and the adjacent areas. The earliest Semitic language, Akkadian, originated in Mesopotamia.

AKSUM ─ “The King of Aksum, or Axum, was a Semitic civilization that lived from the 1st century C.E. to 960 C.E. They lived in modern-day Ethiopia.” ─ Aksum Information ─ Aksum History

AMMONITE ─ “The Ammonites were a Semitic people that lived from the 10th century B.C.E. to 332 B.C.E. They lived in modern-day Jordan.” ─ Ammonite Information ─ Ammonite Culture ─ Ammonite Language

ARAMEA ─ “The Arameans were a Semitic people that lived from 11th century B.C.E. to the 8th century B.C.E. They lived in modern-day Syria.” ─ Aramean Information ─ Aramean History ─ Aramaic Languages

CANAAN ─ “The Canaan civilization was a Semitic civilization that lived from the 16th century B.C.E. to the 7th century B.C.E. They lived in modern-day Palestine, Lebanon, and Syria.” ─ Canaanite Culture ─ Canaanite Religion ─ Canaanites in the Bible

CHALDEA ─ “The Chaldeans were a Semitic people that lived from the 10th century B.C.E. to the 6th century B.C.E. They were native to southeast Mesopotamia.” ─ Chaldea Information ─ Chaldeans in Greek and Biblical Perception

EDOMITE ─ “The Edomites were a Semitic people that lived from the 13th century B.C.E. to 125 B.C.E. They lived in present-day Jordan.” ─ Edomite Information ─ Edomite Culture ─ Edomite Religion

PUNIC ─ “The Punic, or western Phoenician, people were a Semitic people that lived from the Early Iron Age until the end of the Punic Wars (though Punic culture persisted even under Roman rule). They lived in northwest Africa, around modern-day Algeria and Morocco.” ─ Phoenician Diaspora

[the-ghost-king]

wait Apollo isn’t originally greek? thats so interesting 👀👀

Where ever did you hear that? /ij

Definitely putting all of this under a read more, it’s a long one!

Cw: Greek statues, they're naked :/

But yeah, Apollo was actually an inherited god, it’s likely that because of this as well he was a blending of multiple different gods to some extent. It’s also good to note that Apollo’s name is unknown, meaning that nobody really knows what exactly Apollo means, which is pretty weird all things considered about the Greeks who placed such importance on the god’s forenames (ie, phoebeus, acestor, age’tor, etc). 

"Though Apollo was the most Hellenic of all gods, he derived mostly from a type of god that originated in Anatolia and spread to Egypt by way of Syria and Palestine." (X)

There’s a couple of different things which point to Apollo being a Anatolian god (or being of, coming from him) named Appaliunas, and it is said they were on opposite sides of a war most beloved of their people during the fight. It’s important to note that it’s believed Appaliunas means “father light” and that he shows some level of importance over drafting peace treaties (which Apollo has some reputation in as the bringer of civilized order). We don't know too much about their connections however, because the documents are incomplete.

This theory also makes sense, because the name Leto (Apollo’s mother) is Lydian in origin, and there’s decent connections to her having been worshiped on the coast's of Asia Minor. And it is known the Greeks have adopted Anatolian gods into their religion before, see Cybele (sometimes called Cybele-Rhea), and the origin of Kore (later Persephone). There's stuff which points also to an Anatolian goddess called "Artimu" (Artemis) who is often confused to Cybele for some reason, and again this bears connections to the Lydians which worshipped Leto. There's information which points to Hekate being a goddess from Anatolia as well, which shows significance considering she is Apollo and Artemis's cousin (leading to my personal question of was Phoebe Anatolian in origin?). Apollo's divine number being 7 shows Babylonian or at least Mesopotamian Origin.

The Geographical location of these two places also bears similarities, they are close to one another, and it's known the Greeks had decent travel capabilities over water. There's also the fact that both of these lands border Troy, which is shown to have significant values in Greek culture and mythology, as well as the Greek belief that the Anatolian gods were present at Troy as well as the Greek gods.

(It's also notable the similarities in naming traditions, Alaksandu for one such example, does not sound too far off from the later Latin name Alexander, which came from the Greek name Aléxandros).

The other possible origin given for Apollo is Aplu (Apulu), a Hurrian god (of people who lived in Anatolia, Syria, and Northern Mesopotamia). Aplu and Apollo bear semblance to one another in more than name, Aplu was the god of plague (bringer of the plague more specifically) and he bears a large amount of resemblance to Apollo Parno'pius/Smitheus and Aplu's main story provides reasoning as to why Apollo may also be the god of healing and Medicine.

The story of Aplu involves the idea that the individual which brings the plague, must also be the one to banish it. This makes Aplu both bringer of plague(s) but also, protector from plague(s). From this we learn Aplu's name means "son of" (please note here Apollo's iconographic connections to "youth" and "sonship" among the Greeks, as the god of kouros), but the connection of "the son of" was a title granted also to the god Nergal (worshiped by many different people(s) across Mesopotamia) who is at least in part someone who holds power over the sun, and holds connection to Shamash (Utu).

Aplu is also often depicted naked (ya know) but wearing a laurel leaf, and part of a cloak... It's funny how these images are Apollo though:

Aplu is also symbolized by a staff and laurel a twig(s), while we know Apollo to be associated closely with the laurel because of Daphne, and Apollo having iconography related to staffs involves him giving his away to Hermes- which perhaps has to do with the caduceus being interpreted as the symbol for medicine, or the connection of Apollo to Asclepius and the rod of Asclepius.

Aplu isn't isolated necessarily either, there is also the Etruscan goddess Aritimi (Artume, Artames, or Artumes) and she oversees animals, human assemblies, and is considered a hunting deity. As well as scrolling through this list, you'll note more than one Greek/Roman mythological figure.

There's also a ton of stuff from Etruscan mythology (Hurrian mythology is just a subsect of Etruscan mythology) which overlaps with Greek mythology, some sources even state Etruscan -> Greek -> Roman mythology (I wont comment on that because I don't know well enough).

There's some other places Apollo's name might have come from, but those are probably the two most likely under the assumption that Apollo is a collective of many gods.

These are the specifics of the Anatolian god's Apollo may be born of/from, but there's a variety of things which point to him and mythology around him being of other origins as well (Minoan, Dorian, and Proto-Indo-European... yeah)

You may have heard one of Apollo's sacred animals is dolphins, Apollo Delphinios/Delphidios, this is because of a Minoan god named Paiawon (Paion) who was worshiped on Crete and also originated in Delphi. In the second part of Homeric hymn to Apollo, Apollo would transform his shape into that of a dolphin and carry the new priests to Delphi for the transfer of religious practices:

"Phoebus Apollo pondered in his heart what men he should bring in to be his ministers in sacrifice and to serve him in rocky Pytho. And while he considered this, he became aware of a swift ship upon the wine-like sea in which were many men and goodly, Cretans... Phoebus Apollo met them: in the open sea he sprang upon their swift ship, like a dolphin in shape, and lay there, a great and awesome monster, and none of them gave heed so as to understand but they sought to cast the dolphin overboard. But he kept shaking the black ship every way and making the timbers quiver. So they sat silent in their craft for fear, and... so they kept sailing on; for a rushing south wind hurried on the swift ship from behind... They wished to put their ship to shore, and land and comprehend the great marvel and see with their eyes whether the [dolphin] would remain upon the deck of the hollow ship, or spring back into the briny deep where fishes shoal. But the well-built ship would not obey the helm, but went on its way all along Peloponnesus and the lord, far-working Apollo, guided it easily with the breath of the breeze..." (X)

Apollo Delphinios was largely only worshiped by people of Crete and surrounding islands, but this is also largely where Paiawon was worshiped as well. There's also many things from early Grecian history which simply state Apollo to be Paiawon or of Paiawon, or at least doesn't bother to specify which god is being talked about.

In the earlier parts of Greek history, seventh-sixth century, there was distinctions made between the pair:

"and in Solon's opinion it is Apollo who makes a man a μάντις (soothsayer) but healers do the work of Paion" (X)

The whole thing with Apollo being descended from Paiawon however, is that Paiawon may not be Minoan but Mycenaean in origin, which means even if Apollo is originated in Minoan culture one of the gods who has influenced that origin wasn't even necessarily Minoan but taken in. Others believe Paiawon was Minoan or Aegean in origin but very far in the past, since his songs used a meter of pre-Greek origin.

You'll also not the commonalities between Paion (a spelling of Paiawon) and Paean (also spelled Paian), Apollo's original name according to Homer. It could mean a variety of things but "who heals illnesses through magic" and "pre-greek" are the most common translations of the word Paean, but it is also associated with music (most specifically a song sung by Thetlas who cured the Spartans) and is said to denote hymns for Apollo.

"PAEAN, that is, "the healing," is according to Homer the designation of the physician of the Olympian gods, who heals, for example, the wounded Ares and Hades. After the time of Homer and Hesiod, the word Paian becomes a surname of Asclepius, the god who had the power of healing. The name was, however, used also in the more general sense of deliverer from any evil or calamity, and was thus applied to Apollo and Thanatos, or Death, who are conceived as delivering men from the pains and sorrows of life... From Apollo himself the name Paean was transferred to the song dedicated to him, that is, to hymns chanted to Apollo for the purpose of averting an evil, and to warlike songs, which were sung before or during a battle." (X)

In regards to the possibility of Apollo having been of Minoan origin, one must consider not only his origins but the origins of the gods and goddesses around him and how they may have developed over time.

In this case Britomartis (Diktynna) is of particular interest, she was the Minoan "mistress of animals", she was a goddess (or sometimes nymph, or oread) of the mountains and the hunt. There's points to the name meaning "sweet maiden" or other similar things, but it is debatable.

Eventually Britomartis would become the goddess of nets in Hellenic myths, and would simply be closely identified with the goddess of Artemis. However, to the Minoans Britomartis wandered alongside a bow-wielding male hunter who's name has been lost, it is likely that aspects of this hunter were absorbed into Apollo; when the introduction of worshiping Artemis was brought to the island of Crete where Britomartis was also worshiped they were compared and quickly said to be of one another.

It is also said in some variations the myths of Britomartis that she was taken to the mainland in the nets of men after fleeing Minos, this seems like a euphemism for her as a goddess of worship being brought by fisherman to mainland and taken into their culture and worship, more so than it sounds like a goddess's story. Perhaps this led to her becoming Artemis, although most myths seem to agree Artemis gave Britomartis immortality... So who knows, but it's a point of particular interest for me.

Also I know I mentioned proto-indo-european origins for Apollo and I could analyze gods and goddesses relating to Apollo being a Minoan god like Aphaea, but I am not going to lie I am rather sick mostly of sourcing everything and I don't like to talk about stuff without stuff to back me up because I don't want to come across like I'm pulling information or ideas out of thin air because that's how misinformation spreads... But yeah, here's a somewhat simplified piece on Apollo's possible origins as a pre-Hellenistic god, and I hope you enjoy because I know you sent the ask a bit ago <3

[whencyclopedia]

Isaiah

Isaiah was one of the major prophets of ancient Israel. Isaiah is Hebrew for "God is salvation." Isaiah is one of the longest prophetic books (66 chapters). Originating in the 8th century BCE, it was updated at least twice, in the 7th and 6th centuries BCE (the Babylonian and Persian periods) and perhaps the Hellenistic period (4th to 1st centuries BCE). Scholars sometimes referred to the sections as Proto-Isaiah (Chapters 1-39), Deutero-Isaiah (40-55), and Trito-Isaiah (56-66).

Continue reading...