#Ptolemy son of Lagos

[jeannereames]

You mentioned that we lack contemporaneous Macedonian sources for the study of Alexander. And a bit earlier, you said your first pick to read would be Marsyas, and second Ptolemy. Why is that?

My understanding if that Marsyas provides a more comprehensive history of the kingdom of Macedonia, but from an “Alexander-centric” point of view, wouldn't Ptolemy be more interesting?

Ah...but I am an Macedoniast first! And an Argead specialist, too. (Argead = dynasty up through Alexander III to Arrhidaios/Eurydike and Alexander IV.)

I'm as interested in the kingdom before Philip and Alexander, as I am in court studies of Philip and Alexander.

So yes, Marsyas's more comprehensive view of Argead Macedonia would be of greater interest to *me*. It would also, I think, provide a better way to evaluate how Philip and Alexander changed the kingship. Governments don't remain static. How can we use the career of the man who most altered Macedonia in order to understand kingship? Yet his career is the one for which we have the lion's share of information.

Who wouldn't want a history that included Alexander I, Perdikkas II, Archelaos...etc.? Even (maybe especially) more about PHILIP'S first 5-10 years? And not from damn Theopompos or Trogus, or Demosthenes's published orations.

I want a MACEDONIAN view, dammit.

Would Ptolemy give that? Maybe. But he was more concerned with presenting himself as the new king of (Ptolemaic) Egypt.

I'd rather have Marsyas. And perhaps also a certain Antipatros' history of the deeds of Perdikkas III. This may be "that" Antipatros...but it might be a different person too (Antipatros of Magnesia).

Gimme some Macedonian history written by a (contemporary) Macedonian!

[diana9241livejournalcom]

Why is Cleopatra white?

I saw THAT trailer and now I need to write this 'cause this the x times that this argument is trending.

1- Cleopatra VII Philopator ( the father beloved ) was a Greek Queen in an Egyptian Empire, or even better an Hellenistic Empire

1B - Hellenistic Period: "Hellenistic" is distinguished from "Hellenic" in that the latter refers to Greece itself, while the former encompasses all ancient territories under Greek influence, in particular the East after the conquests of Alexander the Great." via wikipedia eng

2- Hellenistic Empire were ruled by Macedonian men, descendent from Alexander's generals. I used the term "Macedonian" 'cause the Greek were very racist and they saw Macedonians as inferior, almost barbaric

2B- Barbarian: a person who don't speak Greek or follow Greek costumes so a non-Greek

2C - I know, Greek and Macedonia are really close but Greek were racist

3 - Cleopatra's ancestor was general Ptolemy I, Ptolemy Soter aka Ptolemy the savoir. Or he was called " Lagide" as "son of Lago".

4- Ptolemy was married 3 times: with a Persian princess and with two Macedonian noblewoman Euridyce and Berenice, Euridyce'cousin.

5- Ptolemy decided that his sons must follow the Egyptian ways when it comes to marriage so incestous marriage between brother and sister, or half brothers.

6 - From him to Cleopatra VII the Ptolemaic pharaohs always married their sisters, their aunt, their cousins, sometimes even their daughters, the last only spiritually to be clear. The only exception was Ptolemy V who married Cleopatra I, a Seleucid princess

6B Seleucid were Macedian too

7- Cleopatra was inbreed 'cause the Ptolemaic were fully Targaryen, even more

8- we don't know her mother but even if she was a Nubian woman or an Egyptian... she could not be black but mixed race

9- Assuming her mother was not Cleopatra Tryphaena, Ptolemy's sister AND wife, it's not possible she's could be black 'cause Egyptian are not black, they never were

9B ther's a Nubian dynasty who ruled Egypt but they were an unicum

Conclusion: Cleopatra was white 'cause genetically her ancestor never mixed with natives aristocracy.

I know how rep is importan, I'm a latina woman who growp up In Italy via adoption, but I'm an historian too and while I defend rep I defend only GOOD and real rep.

[imperium-romanum]

Of all the successors of Alexander the Great, the family of Ptolemy, son of Lagos, was the most successful, ruling Egypt for nearly three centuries (305 – 30 BCE).

Oddly enough, the story begins with a hijacking.

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