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#YES this is about 1863 and 1864 hsy
auuwmk · 6 months
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do you know how insane it is that you and your other self in an alternate dimension with different personalities and circumstances fell in love with the same exact guy
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astranauticus · 30 days
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inspired by this post by tumblr user @orphiclovers. the lines are direct quotes from the novel but the scene itself isnt a redraw of any specific novel scene, i just really wanted to draw black coat 1863 x white coat 1864 HSY lol
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rusquared · 3 months
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HI RU I FINISHED THE ORV EPILOGUE AND I'M DEVASTATED. on another note, what are your thoughts on hsy's epithet, "director of the false last act", could mean? i mean, director is straightforward (both of her role as a writer, and her leading kimcom in various instances), but false last act not so much.
i'm thinking that "false" is less "intended deception" as the word implies, and more relating to her thinking this will be the final act, both in 1863 and the epilogue, when she leads the group? but i'm not really sure. again, the phrasing kind of implies there's an intended deception in there, and sure enough hsy has played the bad guy role a lot of times as well...
(ps i have been looking at your orv spoilers tag now and wistfully sighing. every so often i look at something that makes me want to go outside for a smoke break. i have never touched a cigarette.)
CONRGATS ON THE HEARTBREAK. ALSO AT THE PERFECT TIME CONSIDERING THE WEBTOON IS ON THE 73RD DEMON REALM ARC AND PEOPLE ARE RELIVING THE PAIN THERE TOO.
also congrats on everything about orv being recontextualized for you <33333
as for your question, i def agree with your interpretation of it. it's also interesting that (at least in the translation i read) her modifier changes between 1863 and 1865. "Director of the False Last Act" (1863) versus "Architect of the False Last Act" (1865).
In 1863, she "directs" what she thinks will be the end of the world and all scenarios. She plays an active role, yes, but moreso puts every character on the path she thinks will lead to her perfect ending. She makes YJH become the "villain", and takes over his position as "protagonist", so that the curse of his regressions can end and the world can be spared from the scenarios.
In 1865, she's now the "architect". This implies a much more involved role - she's building the ending herself. Given how she regressed, and will later write the story itself, this makes sense. She's actively trying to create the ending.
For 1863 HSY, it's the false last act because while she believes and tries to make it the end of YJH's tale, she fails. It was never meant to happen. The plot (the reader) would never allow such an ending, and indeed the reader himself shows up to ruin all of her careful planning.
For 1865 HSY, I think more of the 'epilogue' to ORV. The ending she wanted to, but never could write, because she didn't know what kind of ending she wanted the fragments to read. They went to 1865, they made it past the final wall, they even made it onto the train. This should've been the "last act", the happy ending, but it wasn't. Now, back in 1864, when she tries to write the story she doesn't know what to even say. How dare she assume what a happy ending for Kim Dojka looks like?
So yeah, I think "false" in both modifiers doesn't refer to deception (though as a writer trying to change the story, she is doing a kind of deception). I think it refers to how HSY, as the writer, is still powerless to change the flow of the story that has entered the hands of her reader. The ending she wishes to make is beyond her power, but she can get closer and closer with the help of the readers.
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lizhly-writes · 2 years
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I'm bouncing on my heels at the "main party loses memories but the others don't" thing (OrV, I think it's called game plus one au???)
DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE THOUGHTS ABOUT IT MAYBE? sorry if asks aren't- open about that one-
Let's see, let's see. I feel like generally, I stick to stations of canon - easier that way, and generally I play around with kdj and stations of canon is kind of his thing, but this au in particular has the chance to throw things horribly off the rails, which could be very exciting if I pull it off correctly.
If everyone knows everything, everyone is going to try enacting all their plans at once.  Some things are going to collapse.  It’s going to be utter chaos. It’ll be fun!
I have not read the novel in two years so I am probably getting things wrong, but in no particular order, let’s have a list.
Bihyung makes a bid for Dokkaebi King early. 
Considering that dokkaebi get their power from viewership, and a lot of constellations are probably going to into still tune in into their favorite blorbos’ channel...
He’s going to shoot up in power real quickly.  And what he’s going to do with that power is kinda unorthodox.  In 1864, by the time Kim Dokja comes back from the Demon Realm, he’s started issuing rather toothless scenarios.   Exposure to Kim Dokja has granted him with a different kind of belief on how stories should go, and one of those things is “maybe killing random incarnations is bad.”  He’s gotten attached.  Scenario 1 is going to be grudgingly issued, and depending on how much power viewership is giving him, he might be to issue a scenario 1 that maybe does not involve murder at all.
Considering that, at the end of it all, he voted for KDJ’s story at the end of all things, and, in fact, was the only one who did, in his Dokkaebi Council or whatever the fuck it was... I think he’s going to play this pretty differently.
Remember all those constellations that fought against our company at the end?
I don’t!  But I do remember that 1) it happened 2) they’re probably still kind of mad.  I think maybe the only thing that’s stopping them from immediately trying to fuck up KDJC is the lack of Probability -- you don’t get that much in the early scenarios, if I remember correctly.  
I’d need to reread the novel to figure out exactly how this works out, but like... these are a lot of very powerful enemies that are now there very very early, and our main party does not know about them.
Yjh gets out of the train by grace of god.  
He has zero memories and a full train of people that remember him murdering them.  The ONLY thing that’s saving him is OD’s (and maybe also SP’s) interference.  
OD, by the way, is not happy.  Neither is SP.  Or the 999 gang.  With the reset of everyone except KDJC, OD’s back behind the Wall and his guardians want him back.  They get involved early, trying to urge KDJC forward.  Except, you know, only SP knows everything that’s supposed to have happened so I guess he’s in a role that’s very similar to what he took up in 999.  I bet it’s this weird blend of uncomfortable and nostalgic at the same time.
Anyway, since, again, this YJH has no memories, he’s not going to be inclined to like, blow up the whole carriage, or whatever he did in 1864.  More people survive this scenario than before.  Whether this is a good thing or not depends on how much I feel like fucking this up.
Also, YJH is going to start getting messages from OD, who definitely no longer content with only observing.  YJH is not aware this is strange, but it totally is and KDJ’s mind is blown.
“My sponsor says--”
“You have a sponsor?”
“...Didn’t everyone get assigned one?”
“No????”
[ Constellation ■■ thinks Incarnation Kim Dokja is dumb. ]
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On the topic of Biyoo
Sure, the disasters come.  Sure, 41!sys lands in a meteorite on earth and comes out.  Yes, she is absolutely addressing KDJ and Bihyung as parents.  Yes, she’s quite fond of them both.
This disaster concludes very amicably.    
Things on 1863!hsy’s side are WEIRD, Probably
1863 gang is not thrilled with the fact that their captain abandoned them for 1864, essentially (you could have stayed with us!  what was the point of reaching the perfect end without you???). They guilt 1863!hsy a lot. YJH is dealing with so much confusion, he’s probably getting some memory leakage from 1864.  They can probably form a pretty perfect ending, though, though, since at this point, the world is USED to following 1863!hsy’s lead and uniting against YJH.  They’re probably kind of leery of this version of YJH.  They work it out though, probably.  YJH maybe still regresses.  
KDJ LSK relationship speedrun
I imagine a lot of KDJ’s constellations are egging this on. I mean for a lot of them KDJ is their poor little meow meow.  Their annoying little blorbo.  Sure, they know KDJ and LSK fixed their relationship eventually, but what’s wrong with giving them a little nudge.  A little exposure of the truth.  Considering the sheer amount of people that LSK led in 1864, there’s probably a bit of this on their side, too, considering Cho Youngran already wanted KDJ to stop hating LSK so much. 
Actually, the moment the scenarios start, people probably almost automatically try shoving leadership on LSK who is... confused.  Really confused.  Why do so many people think she knows what she’s doing.  Why are they telling her to mend her relationship with her son.  Why do they all want her to wear this cool mask and lead them to victory.
Hey, does anyone remember Cheon Inho?
Yeah there are gonna be a lot of people who are going to want to preemptively murder this guy.  Like, so many people died or were otherwise taken advantage because of him.  He ain’t making it out of this alive unless some constellation thinks it’s really really funny.
Did I mention HMO is a demon at the moment?
This is a logical extension of the whole ‘main cast keeps their powers/xp’ kind of thing, yes.  But I forgot about this and had to realize it while I was writing this, and it blew my mind, so here you go. 
Wow, he’s probably not going to have a good time!  I don’t think he ever rose above Asmodeus’s power/authority, and Asmodeus is like.  Alive again.  So that’s awkward.
KDJ is SOOO uncomfortable
Why does everyone know so much more than him?  Why does everyone know so much about him????????? 
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