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The Price of His Mistakes
Part 21 - The Final Part!!!: The Sacrifice 
God blames his leaving on the mistakes and failures of his creations, but Eventually he will have to face his own mistakes.
ChuckxReader, CastielxReader
Chapter Characters: You/ReaderxGod/Chuck Shurley, You/Sam and Dean Winchester, You/Lucifer. (Crowley, Rowena, Kelly Kline, British Men of letters, and Castiel Mentioned.)
Warnings: Slight language, and mostly Angst. Character death (Not descriptive) 
Chapter Summary: You finally find the way to have your peaceful life.
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Pulling your hair back into a ponytail, you slipped your gun into your side holster, and threw some extra bullets into your duffle bag with your angel blade, and the other goodies you had gotten from Mick and Ketch. You knew that if the boys found out where you were going or what you were planning they would try to stop you, so you carefully opened your bedroom door and started to sneak through the bunker, getting all the way out the door, before running into Sam and Dean.
“Boys,” you said with a nod, trying to act as normal as possible. “It’s a little early to already be awake don’t you think? Even for you two.”
“Oh I don’t know, don’t you think it’s a little early for you to be pulling your shit?” Dean retorted.
Clearing his throat, Sam elbowed his brother’s arm.
“Really?” Dean asked, sounded even more irritated. “She disappears for days on end. We drive ourselves crazy looking for her, only to get a phone call from Jody, or Claire, or Donna, or that’s right, the hospital, telling us she is clinging to life.”
Rolling your eyes you began to walk past them. “Don’t get your panties all in a bunch Dino, I’m just going for a run.”
Reaching for your hand, he grabbed the bag from you and opened it up, where Sam also peaked in at the contents.
“You’re still working with Mick and Ketch?” Dean growled. “What did it cost you this time?”
This wasn’t the first time, you had gone to Mick and Ketch looking for something to use, and as arranged, if they gave you the product your services were required in exchange.
Sam and Dean didn’t trust them and they blamed them for every near death experience you had had lately. Now it wasn’t that you did trust them, but they had tools and gadgets that you had never even heard of before and you knew that was the kind of stuff it would take to stop Lucifer once and for all. The thing that Sam and Dean chose to ignore, the truth that they rather not admit, was that it wasn’t the missions that were putting you in harms way, it was yourself. You were just done, and though you wouldn’t come right out and say it, looking for a way out.
“Stop Lucifer. I have to send Lucifer back to hell, and considering that was the plan anyway, I would say it didn’t cost me anything.”
“That’s because it’s already a suicide mission,” Sam said softly. “That’s why you’re doing it in the first place.”
“Seriously y/n,” Dean continued. “All of this time you have been trying get yourself killed? That is the kind of idea that you yell at Sam and I for having, yet you’re going to turn around and do it?”
“Jesus, you still do it don’t you?” you yelled back in response. “We can go over plan after plan and you will still pick the option that requires a sacrifice. I can beg people to stay until I’m blue in the face and no matter how hard I try I still end up sitting here and watching the people and world around me getting destroyed!”
“You’re doing this because of Chuck,” Sam stated softly, like he already knew the answer. “I mean what do you think he will do y/n? Do you really want to risk your life to get him to come?”
“That’s just it, I’m not planning on him coming back,” you said with a shrug. “I’m just so sick and tired of living like this. For a decade we have been trying to stop this world from ending and each time we beat one problem another one is just around the corner. For a decade I have had to watch as the two of you and Cass either die, or put the world a little closer to the brink of destruction because you can’t except the fact that maybe the world is trying to end.”
Snatching the bag back out of Dean’s hands you walked over to your car and threw it into the back seat, turning around to look at the brothers for what you knew what would be the last time. “Even God has made it perfectly clear that he doesn’t care about what happens to this world or the people in it. I’m not going to keep going around in circles, with you, with Cass, with Chuck, with anybody, and the only way that is going to happen is if I leave for good.”
Spinning out in a cloud of dust, you drove away, leaving the boys behind you and never once looked back. You didn’t really say goodbye, and you didn’t even feel like crying, which you thought you would’ve. The truth was, you were too far gone to care. You had been done, ready to leave this live behind since the moment Chuck brought up running away, it just took almost eight years for you to finally admit it.
Lucifer’s plan of hiding out in the President was a brilliant plan you couldn’t deny. It made getting to him practically impossible, but once you found out about Kelly and how excited he was for his child it gave you the perfect advantage. You knew the president would still have to keep his affair a secret, but one frantic message from Kelly had him running to meet her. You weren’t about to waste anymore time, however, so that’s why when he arrived at the hotel and walked into room 217 he found you instead of the woman pregnant with his nephilim.
“Well, well, well, if it isn’t God’s perfect whore,” Lucifer greeted, eyes glowing red. “Tell me y/n how did pops feel when he found out that even you are corrupted?”
“You know what? I do know that before he left again, he found comfort in the fact that he really is better than you at all things, and I mean all things.”
This got his attention even more, and just as he was thinking of his comeback, you continued. “Look I’m not here to play games with you, I want to make a deal.”
He started to laugh. “A deal? I hate to tell you sweetheart, but I’m at the top of the food chain. Why would I want to possess you.”
“And how long is that going to last?” you asked. “Because I hate to tell you this, but you are never going to Chuck’s attention, take it from me, and Sam and Dean? They are never going to stop trying to send you back to the pit. Just listen to what I’m proposing and you’ll see in the end that it is worth it.”
An unknown amount of time later.
Eyes slowly fluttering open, you tried to gather your surroundings. The bed, still warm under your body made you want to drift back to sleep, but you fought the urge, and sat up anyway. Flipping back the ugly, rust red sheets, you made mental note to remember to get new ones the next time you were at the store. You hated those sheets and for the life of you, you could not understand why you hadn’t gotten rid of them yet.
Bare feet against the hardwood floor you stood up, not even getting one full step in before your foot landed on a bundled up piece of paper. Sighing, you shook your head, and picked up the stray papers that led a path out of the bedroom. The empty bed, the discarded papers, you knew those were the signs of what was bound to be a very long day. Down the steps, you entered the living room surprised to find it empty, considering all the empty beer and whiskey bottles proved that you had indeed been right.
“Hey, I thought we agreed, you would lay off the alcohol,” you yelled, walking over to pick up the tipped bottles. “Being hungover all day doesn’t help you any.”
You waited for a response, but there was nothing. You didn’t even hear footsteps, and it was starting to worry you.
“Hey sweetie?”
Just then you became aware of your phone vibrating on the desk, where you had left it to charge the previous night. Putting the empty bottles back down on the desk, you picked up your phone and saw you had an unread message.  
Dean -
Zombies y/n. We finally got a Zombie case. We could really use your help though. Any chance you would meet us in Louisiana and get your Walking Dead on?
Y/n -
Not a chance, you know I’m not hunting anymore. Just aim for the head, and if it’s anything like the movies, don’t let them bite you. Maybe after this case you and Sam could make a trip back to see us? It’s been a while.
Setting your phone back down on the desk, you scooped the bottles back up in your arms and walked into the kitchen, only starting to panic more when you realized he wasn’t in the kitchen either. Luckily, you didn’t have much time to get worked up, because soon you heard the front door opening.
“Thank god!” you exclaimed running around the corner. “I thought we agreed you would wake -”
As soon as your eyes landed on him, you stopped dead in your tracks. The man looking back at you, looked like Chuck, but you knew he wasn’t your Chuck.
“You’re right y/n, I’m not him.” The way those blue eyes stared back at you, had you feeling unsettled, but once he realized you weren’t going to say anything he continued. “You can’t do this y/n, You can’t stay here. I can’t even believe you actually did this.”
Swallowing hard, the memories of what had happened came back to you in a flash. You saw yourself lying to Sam and Dean, telling them that you were going to try to take Lucifer on, not that you were going to tell him about the plan with Rowena to stuff him back in the cage. You remembered telling Lucifer about how you knew Crowley had a plan to send him back to Nick’s vessel. The newly rebuilt vessel that was controlled by Crowley and that only Crowley would be able to control, kill even.
You warned Lucifer that Sam and Dean would never give up on stopping him, and rightfully so, but if he let Crowley’s plan play out, it would be only a matter of time till he got loose again. He would kill Crowley, and with that the only person able to destroy him would be dead. All he had to do was kill you.  
You didn’t know if he had helped you to remember, or not, but a part of you knew had kind of known what was going on the moment you woke up in those god awful sheets.
“I’ve got to send you back,” Chuck said, snapping back you into reality. “You don’t deserve to die like that.”
“I don’t deserve to live like I was either,” you retorted.
“Please y/n. Do you have any idea what it was like to watch you die? Just let me send you back, and if this is the kind of life you want, I can do that. I told you I could send you and Cass away so you could live a normal life.”
Scoffing you shook your head. “I’m pretty sure I already told you that I didn’t want Cass, I wanted you. All I have wanted from the moment we first met Chuck Shurley was too be with him, but even if you said you would come back, I can’t trust that you will stay.”
“Please stop,” he pleaded again. “You can’t expect me to be okay with you doing this.”
Sitting down on the couch you turned on the TV, keeping your back turned towards him. “I stopped expecting things a long time ago Chuck. That’s why I’m done waiting for the time I get to live in peace. This right here is what I want, and if you really do love me, you’ll leave me alone and let me have it.”
Hearing the door close from behind you, you closed your eyes and held your breath, waiting to wake up in some hospital, but instead, you opened your eyes and found the Chuck that you had fallen in love with sitting at his desk in the corner of the room, wearing that raggedy sweater and those same dorky glasses you loved so much.
“Hey y/n, how about we go to the drive in tonight?” he asked turning around to look at you with a big smile.
Returning the smile, you let out a breath with a big sigh, like it was the first time you were getting to do it in a long time. “Sounds perfect Chuck.”   
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stillthewordgirl · 5 years
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LOT/CC fic: Somewhere on Your Road Tonight (ch. 14)
Sara and Leonard made a life for themselves, together in 1958, after the Waverider left them, Ray and Kendra behind. But now they're back on the ship, Mick has been twisted into Chronos, Kendra is pregnant, and Savage is still out there. They'll deal--together. (Sequel to "Chances Are.")
Second "Destiny" chapter. Pieces are coming together. Many thanks to LarielRomeniel for the beta.
Can also be read here at AO3 or here at FF.net.
Since Rip, Raymond and Mick seem like they might have the better chance at anything having to do with the ship and getting away from the Time Masters, Leonard takes the responsibility of getting Stein to the medbay. The older man is trying to move as best he can, but he’s clearly suffering, and Leonard can’t help a prickle of sympathy.
Once the professor is settled into one of the chair-bed things, with an IV of medication Gideon has prescribed to at least keep him more comfortable, Leonard hesitates, uncertain. He wants to go find Sara, but leaving Stein alone to contemplate his plight seems…well, cold, even to him.
“Anything help you other than getting the kid back?” he drawls uncomfortably, sidling toward the chair. The ship shakes a little as he does so.
Stein opens an eye and regards him with an expression that’s understanding and almost kind. It occurs to Leonard that while he may have been the one on this ship who’s changed the most, the professor has changed too. He’s a far cry from the arrogant man who’d scorned Leonard and Mick back on that rooftop in Central City.
“No, sadly, Mr. Snart,” he says with a sigh. “It’s just a matter of time, I fear. And now, with Captain Hunter’s revelations about the nature of our quest itself…it seems that it’s all been for nothing.” He shakes his head. “At least Jefferson is well out of it.”
Leonard wants, no, needs, to find out more about that himself, but while they’re still in the process of getting the hell outta Dodge, it seems best not to storm onto the bridge demanding answers. As the ship jolts again, he decides to sit down next to the other man. Stein watches him do so.
“Mr. Snart,” he asks after another moment, “may I ask you a question?”
The ship shakes, lurching. Leonard decides he’d rather be distracted. “Shoot.”
“Back in the beginning. When Captain Hunter invited us on this whole…adventure.” He stops, then continues again as Leonard continues to regard him. “Why did you decide to go?”
It is, truthfully, a good question. Leonard can remember how scornful he’d been of the whole thing, at least on the surface he’d presented to the others. And it seems like the least he can do is to offer the truth to the man before him, who, it seems, is all too likely to be giving his life on this mission.
After a moment’s thought, he starts to speak, carefully. “I’ll deny it if you tell the others,” he warns Stein, who rolls his eyes but also inclines his head. “But I do care about my city.”
“At least, insomuch as no one could hurt it but you, eh?” But the professor waves a hand when Leonard gives him a weary look. “I’m sorry. Carry on.”
After a minute, he does. “I did wonder if I could…” He thinks of Sara’s words back then. “…change my fate. Either by changing the past or, as it turns out, becoming…a rather different person.” He shrugs. “And I got even more of a chance for that than I’d expected.”
Stein tilts his head and offers up some of his occasional uncanny understanding. “Your time in 1958?”
“Yeah.” Leonard hesitates again. “Amazing what a clean slate can do.”
Stein’s closed his eyes again. “Hmm,” he muses. “I daresay Ms. Lance’s presence in your life didn’t hurt either. The love of a good woman…or rather, a good person…has saved many a lost soul. Clarissa…in some ways, I think she effectively saved me.” He sighs. “I hope I get to see her again. At this point, however, I rather doubt it.”
Leonard’s not sure what to do with that. “C’mon, professor. I thought cynicism was my hallmark.”
“As you’ve said, Mr. Snart, people change.” But Stein shakes his head. “Still. I suppose that there is always hope.” He smiles a little. “In a world with time travel, is not anything truly possible?”
“And in a world with burning, nuclear-powered heroes,” Leonard tells him seriously. “And speedsters. And…”
“…and where Captain Cold is a hero.”
Leonard frowns at the older man, but Stein just chuckles. “Don’t deny it,” he tells Leonard mock-seriously. “Your actions prove otherwise.”
“Eehhhh.” He decides not to argue. “You get back to 2016, professor, don’t tell Barry Allen and his ilk that.”
Stein chuckles, closing his eyes. “I do believe I shall have to try to survive this, Mr. Snart, just to collect on all these favors you’re going to be owing me.” He reopens one eye and regards Leonard. “Please tell the others that I will endeavor not to blow up while I’m here.”
Leonard feels his own lips twitch at the words. “Appreciate that, professor.”
“As well you should.”
Despite the others’ reassurances, Sara’s still relieved when Leonard finally ambles onto the bridge. He catches her eye and she catches his, and that’s enough for now.
“Professor's in the medbay,” he drawls, approaching the others. “Promises not to blow up while he's on board, which I thought was considerate.”
Rip sighs, moving toward the holotable. “Yeah, the professor's condition is the least of our worries, I'm afraid.”
That seems a bit callous, but as Sara frowns, Ray chimes in.
“Yeah, much to my chagrin, it turns out everything we've done, maybe even our whole lives,” he says woefully, “has been determined by the Time Masters.”
“What?” Sara asks incredulously, leaning forward. She glances at Leonard, who leans on a jump seat, eyes sweeping the room. He doesn’t look surprised. Instead, he wears an expression of intense concentration.
Granted, he’s been insisting for a while that the Time Masters are pulling their strings, but this…this is more than that. Those words--which no one is arguing with--suggest that it goes back farther and deeper, that…
No. No, Sara doesn’t want to think about that right now. As it is, her stomach is twisting, thinking about the choices she’s made and the places she’s been…the people she’s hurt…
She doesn’t look at Leonard now. She can’t.
“The Time Masters have this thing called the Oculus, which allows them not only to gaze into the future, but to engineer it,” Rip tells them resignedly. “Yes, Mr. Snart. As I said before, you were right.”
But Ray speaks again before Leonard can respond. “A future where I'm dead.” Sara’s heart goes out to him as he closes his eyes, swallowing. “Guy, you gotta get Kendra back. I mean, for her sake too, but Alex…”
“We won’t leave your kid without a family, Haircut,” Mick cuts in roughly. “No matter what.” He shrugs uncomfortably as everyone looks at him. “Don’t know that we’re what you and Bird Girl would want for uncles and aunt, but I s’pose we’re better than nothing. And, hey, Snart and I know what not to do, anyway.”
Ray looks like he’s going to cry, or hug somebody, but the captain speaks up again, shaking his head.
“This is a lovely moment,” he says, just a touch acerbically, “truly. But in my opinion, Dr. Palmer's death is not part of their plan.”
“Not reassuring,” Ray mutters, then “Ow!”
Mick, apparently deciding that enough sentiment was enough, had leaned over and whacked him in the arm. Then he turns challengingly to Rip.
“You sayin’ the Time Masters wanted me to do that?” he growls.
Rip gives him a long-suffering look. “What I'm saying is that they've been engineering our lives to move in very specific directions,” he says. “And we are playing out that script even now.”
The Gambit? The Pit? All the people she’s killed? Sara closes her eyes, then opens them, rising from the captain’s chair and moving toward them. Her eyes catch Leonard’s very briefly, and she can see similar thoughts there. Did the Time Masters make sure he’d be a criminal no matter what, with the perfect skills to do what they wanted on this mission? Did he ever have a choice? Did they create Lewis? Or Barry Allen to prod him down another road?
And what about them…
Before she speaks, though, he does.
“But they’re not controlling everything,” he says, staring at Rip. “And we can still surprise them.” They’re statements, not questions. “They didn’t know that I’d left the ship in Harmony Falls.” He glances at Mick. “We know the Time Masters didn’t know I’d been left behind too.”
Rip blinks, considering that, and Mick grunts thoughtfully in agreement.
“Yeah,” he says. “They told me just what to do. And things were all different from what they said.
Ray, looking a bit encouraged, nods. “So they didn’t have anything to do with what happened to any of us in 1958.”
Sara looks at Leonard, who’s looking steadily back at her. This is still disconcerting and awful, but at least…at least they have that.
“No. They can’t control thoughts, and they can’t control feelings,” Rip tells him, almost gently. “And…they’re not in there all the time, fiddling with every little detail.” He shakes his head. “It’s a rather jarring experience, the Oculus. It’d be like performing delicate surgery with a hacksaw.”
“So, it seems they sort of…set the program and let it run, with occasional course corrections.” Ray looks thoughtful.
Sara takes a deep breath. “Well, this is interesting…and encouraging in a few ways, anyway, for what that’s worth. But we still need to figure out what to do.” She puts her hands on the holotable, scanning the others. “So, we can go to 2016, but that might be what the Time Masters want. Or we can go get Kendra...”
“Which could also be what they want,” Leonard mutters.
“Then we need to do what they don't want,” Ray says, determination brightening his voice. “If the Oculus is what they're using to control us, then we need to destroy it.”
Sara nods, but…
“No,” Leonard cuts in, getting to his feet and approaching. “Or not just that, anyway.” He takes a deep breath as the others look at him. “Look. They’re expecting us to act according to our natures. Right? That’s the whole point. They did their best to create those natures.”
“Yes?” Ray looks inquiringly at Rip, then back at Leonard. “But…”
“And the Time Bastards just made sure to give their biggest rebel, a bunch of heroes—and me and Mick—the information that they control time.” Leonard tilts his head. “What do you think they think is going to happen?”
For some reason, as soon as he’s delivered those words, something in Leonard relaxes. Not entirely, but a little. Like he’s passed a test. Delivered a message.
It’s an odd sensation, but he decides not to examine it for the moment.
“I acted against my nature—what had been my nature—when I left the ship in Harmony Falls,” he says, looking at Sara. “And they didn’t expect it or plan for it. What, now, would they not expect us to do?”
Sara hums thoughtfully. Raymond shrugs. “Give up and go back home,” he points out. “But we can’t do that.”
“Well.” Rips frowns. “I do think that going back to the place we just escaped from would seem rather unexpected.”
Leonard snorts. “Not with this group,” he says. “Seriously, Rip?”
The captain gives him the ghost of a smile. “True, indeed, Mr. Snart. But we still need to get rid of this Oculus, if we’re to have any hope of truly changing things.”
Raymond’s looking off into the distance. “I’ve spent my whole life wanting to be a hero,” he says quietly. “A hero…a hero is brave. Helps others. Makes a difference. If I can do that, to make a better life for my son…”
“So, basically, the Time Bastards would expect you to do some shit like dying while trying to blow up the Oculus.” Leonard nods when the scientist gives him a startled glance. “So, you can’t do that. You’ve gotta be selfish, Raymond.” He glances at Rip. “Can you take him back to the Refuge?”
“No!” Raymond says, even as Rip considers and nods.
“And the rest of us, Mr. Snart?” he says with resignation, but also with a small smile on his face. “As you just might be onto something here?”
Leonard can appreciate what it’s cost the captain to say that…and maybe Rip’s arrogance was something the Time Masters were counting on too. He gives the other man an understanding smirk in return.
“The rest of us…” he says slowly. “What if we split up? Rip, they’ll figure you’ll go back to the Vanishing Point. It’s personal. You and…and Sara and maybe the professor, if he’s up for it…go after Kendra.”
“Wait a minute…” Sara starts as Rip lifts an eyebrow.
“And what are we going to use to do that?” he asks drily, spreading his hands out before him. “One ship.”
“The Pilgrim’s ship is still at that old outpost, right? Leonard looks around at Mick. “You hid it.”
His friend grunts thoughtfully. “Yeah. I could fly that. Good ship.”
“Great. Then, Mick and I will blow up the Oculus.” Leonard ignores the immediate arguments. “They won’t expect the criminals to be playing heroes.”
Mick nods. “And I like blowing stuff up.”
“You’re not…”
“Mr. Snart…”
“He’s got a point.” Raymond shrugs as everyone looks at him. “We can make it work. We’re Legends, right? But one change.” He holds up a hand. “I get your meaning, Snart, about going against what they expect. But…I won’t do any good to the mission if I’m back at the Refuge. I want to go with you.”
Leonard regards him a moment, then glances at the captain. “Rip,” he drawls. “What was the Boy Scout here doing? When…What did you see in this Oculus thing?”
Rip hesitates, thinking. “He was…” His eyes widen. “It was an explosion. How did I forget that?” He looks at Raymond. “You were working on something. And there was light…you started to come apart…”
“I think that’s enough,” Sara breaks in as Raymond winces. “Rip, even if we—or some of us—return to the Vanishing Point, can they mess with us there?”
The captain shakes his head. “No, Druce told me that the Oculus' ability to control our actions doesn't work in the Vanishing Point, most likely because the Vanishing Point itself exists outside of time.”
“And we need to move,” Leonard says firmly. “If you want to have any chance to save Kendra. And your family.”
Rip looks a bit wild-eyed, but Gideon cuts neatly in, her voice calm.
“I apologize, Captain,” she says, “but I’ve already diverted us toward the outpost. Mr. Snart’s plan is a good one, and I chose to…anticipate your orders.” She pauses as Rip collapses into a jump seat and Mick barks out a laugh. “May I also point out that you have always encouraged such independence, but…a time ship AI knows what it is to be controlled by the Time Masters. I wish to help, although they are not all like me.”
Rip rubs a hand over his face. “Ah, Gideon. No one is quite like you.”
“Thank you, Captain. I shall take that as a compliment.”
“OK, then,” Ray says firmly, turning for the corridors. “I’m going to go talk to Stein, figure out how we’ll need to destroy this Oculus wellspring. Rip, we’ll need what you know.”
The captain shakes his head but gets to his feet. “This is not how I envisioned this going at all,” he comments with a sigh, then smiles. “Which just may be precisely why it works.” He glances at Mick. “Mr. Rory. You have experience as a time ship captain—and a reputation as a sneaky and very effective one. Would you work with Gideon to plot a good intercept course for Savage?”
Mick shrugs, but Leonard thinks he almost looks pleased at the words and the request. “Sure.”
“Thank you.”
Leonard stands with Sara and Mick, watching as Rip and Raymond leave, then looks over at his friend. “You want help?” he drawls, folding his arms. “Might not know how to fly a time ship, but I know how to plan.”
Mick’s already deftly pulled some schematics up on the holotable. He glances over and snorts. “No,” he says, “I want you two to go get your shit together before we all trot off to hunt psychopaths or blow stuff up.” He looks back to the display. “So, get. I got this.”
“We got this,” Gideon announces. “Mr. Rory, please take a look at the path skirting Jurgens Ridge. I believe…”
She continues, and Leonard blinks at his old friend, then looks at Sara.
She gives him a slight smile and shrugs.
“OK, then,” he mutters, turning aside and heading for their room. “I know when I’m not needed.”
“Don’t whine, Mr. Snart,” Gideon tells him snippily, stopping her comments to Mick for a moment. “It’s not a becoming trait.”
Well, he thinks with resignation as he saunters for the door, at least the comment makes Sara laugh.
“I can’t believe we were just…dismissed…like that,” Sara says with faint amusement as they enter their quarters. She looks from side to side restlessly, then turns to face Leonard. “I mean, I know my skills lie mainly in hitting things until they stop moving, but…I would have liked to do something.”
Her words get a slight smile, although it’s a distracted one. “Got the feeling maybe we already did,” he drawls, leaning against the bed and watching her. “But…you OK?”
Sara laughs a little, knowing that the sound isn’t very sincere. “Well. I’m trying not to think about it too much,” she says, boosting herself up onto the bed and looking down at her hands. “I don’t know how profound the directions the Time Masters steered us in are, and I don’t think I want to know. I know I still feel responsible for everything I’ve done. And it still keeps me up at night.”
After a moment, she hears a sigh and glances over at Leonard. Her lover is staring off into the distance, a complicated expression on his face. It’s melancholy and uncertain, very unlike anything he shows the world, and something turns over in Sara’s heart as she watches him.
“Len,” she says quietly, putting a hand out and resting it on his shoulder, “what are you thinking?”
Leonard shrugs, after a moment, then looks at her.
“It wasn’t just a script,” he asks, a still, opaque expression on his face. “Was it?”
Oh.
Sara tightens her grip on his shoulder, pulling him toward her, and after a moment’s resistance, Leonard allows her to guide him. After a moment, he’s facing her, although his eyes are still darting around and not meeting hers. He exudes uneasiness and apprehension, and she can see and feel how stiff his shoulders are.
“I thought we agreed that the Time Masters didn’t even know we were there, in 1958,” she says. “When our relationship…changed. Or evolved. They weren’t pulling our strings.” She reaches up and rests a hand against his jawline, feeling the tension there. “And…Rip said, they can’t change feelings.” She takes a deep breath. “Everything we feel…it’s real.”
Finally, Leonard’s eyes meet hers, heartbreakingly wary.
“Yeah?” he asks quietly. “And what…” He pauses. “I’m not a good person, Sara. Not the sort you should…care for. I…”
Sara huffs out a breath. “Stop…listening…to Lewis,” she tells him sharply, shaking his shoulder a little, then feels guilty as he flinches. “He’s been dead for months, or longer depending on how you look at it. Stop giving his voice space in your head.”
Leonard actually looks thoughtful at that, and Sara presses her advantage, reaching up and putting her other hand on his jaw, holding his face in her hands and making sure he looks at her.
“I think we went through all this back in 1958,” she tells him. “About you being a good person. Leonard, no one’s a good person all the time, and you’ve been actively trying to be better.” She hesitates. “What would Rebecca say? Or Ginny. David?”
He mutters something, but Sara doesn’t let him off the hook. “You know perfectly well what they’d say, because they’ve said it,” she tells him fiercely. “Now, stop insulting the man I love. Or I’m going to be pissed.”
That actually gets a smile, and he studies her, eyes a saturated deep blue. It’s impossible, as the tension fades—replaced by a different sort of tension--not to realize how close they are or how very charged the atmosphere is. Leonard reaches out deliberately and puts one hand on either side of her on the bed, looking through his lashes at her, and smiles.
“Well,” he drawls, sounding a little more like himself, leaning toward her. “Can’t have that. The woman I love is quite the badass, you know.”
“Yeah?” Sara smirks in return, moving her hands down to rest on his hips, where she threads her fingers through the belt loops on his jeans, pulling him even closer. “She sounds awesome.”
“Oh, yeah.” Leonard studies her, then glances away, expression going serious again. He looks like he’s trying to make a decision, and Sara waits, wondering.
Finally, he nods, as if to himself, and meets her eyes.
“Being on this ship,” he says, quietly, bringing one hand up to touch her cheek gently, “traveling through time…” A pause. “…I’ve been wondering what the future might hold for me... and you…and me and you.”
He stops again. Sara feels like she can’t quite breathe. Is this…a proposal, Leonard Snart-style?
“You want to steal a kiss from me, Leonard?” she says lightly, giving him the chance to defuse the moment even as her pounding heart wants desperately to know what he’s going to say. “You better be one hell of a thief.”
A smile tugs at the corner of his lips. A light in his eyes, Leonard starts to speak again…
But Gideon beats him to it.
“I am very sorry, Mr. Snart, Ms. Lance, truly, but we have arrived here, at the outpost,” she says carefully. “And time is of the essence…ah, in more ways than one. Can you meet the others at the bridge, or…”
A sigh explodes out of both of them at once, and Leonard shakes his head roughly as Sara closes her eyes and put a hand to her forehead. She wonders, briefly, if Leonard will tell Gideon that they need another moment…but then Leonard’s kissing her, his hand moving to curve behind her head, his lips warm and intent on hers, and Sara kisses him back, pulling him close, trying to memorize the feel and the taste of him before they part. It’s dangerous, what they’re going out to do, and they both know it—but if they ever want the future Leonard had spoken of, it’s something they both have to do.
They part slowly at first, staring at each other like they’re trying to memorize the sight, too. Well, Sara knows that she, for one, is.  She tucks a strand of hair behind an ear and takes a deep breath, knowing that they have to move.
“I love you,” she tells him breathlessly. “Leonard, be careful. I know you’re playing the hero now, but…I’d rather have a live crook. Got it?”
That gets her a wry, if somehow melancholy, smile. “Got it,” he shoots back. “Sara…I love you, too.” A glance away, then back. “Give Savage hell, and don’t let Rip do anything too stupid.”
He steps back, and Sara slides off the bed with a sigh, grabbing her good White Canary leathers. “I could say the same to you,” she tells him. “Don’t let Mick and Ray do anything dumb. I want you all back.”
“Promise.”
She’ll remember that, later. He’d promised.
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Trump impeachment witnesses leave a trail of tantalizing clues
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They showed up, offered prepared remarks and answered hours of questions to lay out their side of the Ukraine-related impeachment inquiry now engulfing President Donald Trump.
But the current and former U.S. officials — several of them experienced diplomats accustomed to documenting almost everything — also left a trail of clues for investigators to follow. The breadcrumbs — word of a cable here, mention of a meeting there — are scattered across what’s been made public from the testimonies.
Given the secrecy involved, it’s not clear how many of the relevant materials Capitol Hill staffers already have managed to get. And the Trump administration has warned that it will resist cooperating with the probe. Still, what is known has set off a scramble across Washington to find a smoking gun, or pieces of one.
“Neither government nor conspiracies can operate without a paper trail,” said Austin Evers, executive director of American Oversight, a watchdog group suing the Trump administration for Ukraine-linked documents. “These are busy people. They live by emails, texts and calendars.”
POLITICO spoke with former U.S. officials and oversight experts and scoured publicly available information from the testimonies. The following are just some of the key clues that witnesses have shared:
Trump’s aid-freeze ‘directive’
Of all the testimonies so far, that of William Taylor, the U.S. diplomat now leading the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv, appears most fruitful for investigators seeking a roadmap to documents they need — documents the State Department is resisting sharing for now.
One clue in particular stood out: a “directive” Trump is said to have given freezing U.S. military aid to Ukraine. House Democrats are trying to establish whether Trump froze the aid to pressure Ukraine’s government to open investigations into former Vice President Joe Biden, a political rival, and Biden’s son Hunter.
According to Taylor’s opening statement, he learned of the directive while participating in a July 18 National Security Council secure video-conference call. A person Taylor described as a staff member of the Office of Management and Budget mentioned it.
“All that the OMB staff person said was that the directive had come from the president to the (acting) chief of staff (Mick Mulvaney) to OMB,” Taylor said.
A great deal will depend on whether the directive was in writing, and if so, whether Trump spelled out why he wanted the aid frozen. But even if it was not written down, there likely are other ways to establish the existence of Trump’s order, from call logs to notes taken by others of various officials’ interactions with the president.
Taylor noted that after the OMB staffer’s explanation, a series of NSC-led interagency meetings followed in which participants concluded the security aid should be resumed. Staffers likely kept notes of those meetings, too. Taylor also mentioned that the Pentagon crafted an analysis of the aid’s effectiveness, another potential document.
The cable to Pompeo
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo’s role has been an enduring mystery throughout the impeachment inquiry. But both Taylor and Marie Yovanovitch, the former U.S. ambassador to Ukraine that Pompeo pulled out early from her post, offered leads on that front.
Taylor said that on Aug. 29, before he’d personally realized that the U.S. aid to Ukraine might have been frozen to help Trump’s political ambitions, he sent a cable to Pompeo conveying his concern about withholding the aid. Pompeo did not respond, Taylor said.
The cable itself could prove interesting, but Taylor also added that he’d heard that soon after receiving it, Pompeo took the cable with him to a meeting at the White House focused on security assistance for Ukraine. The notes from that meeting could prove significant, especially if there was any discussion of exactly why the aid was being withheld, or whether Pompeo spoke with the president about it.
In describing her removal, Yovanovitch mentioned a few tidbits that could shed light on Pompeo’s actions. She said that the State Department had asked her in early March to extend her tour in Ukraine until 2020; a document with that request is likely to exist, and would be evidence of her good standing in the role.
She also said that in late April she was told to fly back to Washington. That’s when Deputy Secretary of State John Sullivan told her she was being recalled early. According to Yovanovitch, Sulivan told her that she had “done nothing wrong” and that “the department had been under pressure from the president to remove me since the summer of 2018.”
That is nearly a year’s worth of time for such “pressure from the president.” Investigators will likely want to obtain emails, meeting notes and other materials linking the State Department, the White House and Yovanovitch. While Pompeo’s own communications could prove vital, those of his top aides and assistants – including Sullivan – could be just as enlightening.
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The administration will likely try to block the release of any document that was generated from the White House, even if it was sent to State, citing executive privilege. Odds are, though, that there are “intra-State” documents that wouldn’t be subject to such a claim. That’s true not just for what happened to Yovanovitch but also for the broader questions about Ukraine policy.
The “intra-State” conversations could include communications between Pompeo and Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union who was heavily involved in Ukraine policy through what Taylor described as the “irregular channel.” In his testimony, Sondland made a point of repeatedly suggesting Pompeo was in the loop. “I understand that all my actions involving Ukraine had the blessing of Secretary Pompeo as my work was consistent with long-standing U.S. foreign policy objectives,” he said.
Conversations with Ukrainians
U.S. diplomats who have interactions of any substance with a foreign official typically document them, often through a cable or an email to others at the State Department so that they are up to date. According to the testimonies, there were many such interactions.
For instance, Bill Taylor referred to an odd June 28 conference call that first included him, Sondland, and others, and which was later broadened to include the new Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelensky.
Prior to Zelensky joining, there were cryptic mentions of Trump’s desire to see Ukrainian investigations. Among those mentioning them was Kurt Volker, at the time the U.S. special envoy for Ukraine negotiations. Taylor said he “reported on this call” to Deputy Assistant Secretary of State George Kent and also wrote a “memo for the record” dated June 30 summarizing the conversation with Zelensky.
While Taylor, a veteran diplomat with 50 years of government service, has indicated he rigorously documented interactions with the Ukrainians — as well as those with other State Department officials — it's less clear how much Sondland and Volker did the same.
Their record-keeping could help establish the basics of what was discussed during two critical meetings: A July 10 one in the White House between U.S. and Ukrainian officials; and a July 26 meeting in Kyiv between U.S. and Ukrainian officials. According to Taylor and Fiona Hill, a former National Security Council official, the July 10 meeting was especially explosive as then-national security adviser John Bolton grew livid at Sondland when he realized Trump’s political calculations might be playing a role in shaping Ukraine policy. In Sondland’s opening statement, however, he either leaves out or glosses over that aspect of the meeting.
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Volker, a former Foreign Service officer, has already handed over a batch of text messages to investigators. He quit as special envoy and has been largely cooperative. Sondland had no diplomatic experience but was given an ambassadorship after donating $1 million to Trump’s inauguration. He has said the State Department has his relevant documents, but the department has been slow to respond to congressional subpoenas for the material.
But Sondland indicated in his testimony that he prefers to communicate orally when possible, although he insisted that’s not because he wants to avoid creating a record. Attempting to clarify why in some text message exchanges with others he used phrases like “Call me” or otherwise suggested stopping texting, he said, “In my view, diplomacy is best handled through back-and-forth conversation.”
Outreach to Giuliani
One potentially valuable avenue for investigators is finding any and all communications between U.S. officials and Rudy Giuliani, the president’s personal lawyer.
Giuliani was part of what Hill and Taylor depicted as a shadow foreign policy aimed at pressuring Ukraine to investigate the Bidens; Trump directed some of his diplomats to deal with Giuliani on aspects of U.S. policy toward Ukraine, according to the testimonies, and according to an interview outgoing Energy Secretary Rick Perry gave the Wall Street Journal.
Because Giuliani is not a U.S. government official, communications with him by U.S. officials — including texts or emails — should, in theory, be easier to obtain because they are unlikely to contain classified material. Giuliani may try to shield his communications by referring to attorney-client privilege, but legal experts insist that argument can be used only in a narrow manner.
American Oversight’s records request to the administration includes senior U.S. officials’ communications with Giuliani; this past week, a judge ordered the State Department to start sending over documents to the watchdog group within 30 days.
The unnamed
For every big name brought up in the inquiry, there are lower-level government officials whose own records may prove critical to piecing together the puzzle.
Who was the unnamed OMB staffer Taylor mentioned? Who put Ukraine-related calls and meetings on the president’s calendar? Who wrote up the summaries of conclusions of Ukraine-related meetings at the National Security Council? Who took contemporaneous notes that match those summaries?
In a sense, the White House already has given Congress the most damning breadcrumb yet: the detailed readout of a July 25 phone call between Trump and Zelensky, in which the U.S. president repeatedly urges his Ukrainian counterpart to investigate Biden.
For an airtight case proving a “quid pro quo,” though, it might come down to the word of an administrative assistant. Did any White House aides, for instance, take contemporaneous notes of the president linking the military aid directly to political favors?
For now, the House committees overseeing the impeachment inquiry have put in broadly worded requests and subpoenas for documents. For instance, they’ve demanded “any and all records generated or received by the State Department in connection with or that refer, or relate in any way to the July 25 call.”
Thanks to the clues offered so far in the various testimonies, the president’s own advisers may have made that task far simpler.
Article originally published on POLITICO Magazine
source https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/28/trump-impeachment-witnesses-diplomats-congress-059622
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Trump impeachment witnesses leave a trail of tantalizing clues
New Post has been published on https://thebiafrastar.com/trump-impeachment-witnesses-leave-a-trail-of-tantalizing-clues/
Trump impeachment witnesses leave a trail of tantalizing clues
“Neither government nor conspiracies can operate without a paper trail,” said Austin Evers, executive director of American Oversight, a watchdog group suing the Trump administration for Ukraine-linked documents. “These are busy people. They live by emails, texts and calendars.”
POLITICO spoke with former U.S. officials and oversight experts and scoured publicly available information from the testimonies. The following are just some of the key clues that witnesses have shared:
Trump’s aid-freeze ‘directive’
Of all the testimonies so far, that of William Taylor, the U.S. diplomat now leading the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv, appears most fruitful for investigators seeking a roadmap to documents they need — documents the State Department is resisting sharing for now.
One clue in particular stood out: a “directive” Trump is said to have given freezing U.S. military aid to Ukraine. House Democrats are trying to establish whether Trump froze the aid to pressure Ukraine’s government to open investigations into former Vice President Joe Biden, a political rival, and Biden’s son Hunter.
According to Taylor’s opening statement, he learned of the directive while participating in a July 18 National Security Council secure video-conference call. A person Taylor described as a staff member of the Office of Management and Budget mentioned it.
“All that the OMB staff person said was that the directive had come from the president to the (acting) chief of staff (Mick Mulvaney) to OMB,” Taylor said.
A great deal will depend on whether the directive was in writing, and if so, whether Trump spelled out why he wanted the aid frozen. But even if it was not written down, there likely are other ways to establish the existence of Trump’s order, from call logs to notes taken by others of various officials’ interactions with the president.
Taylor noted that after the OMB staffer’s explanation, a series of NSC-led interagency meetings followed in which participants concluded the security aid should be resumed. Staffers likely kept notes of those meetings, too. Taylor also mentioned that the Pentagon crafted an analysis of the aid’s effectiveness, another potential document.
The cable to Pompeo
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo’s role has been an enduring mystery throughout the impeachment inquiry. But both Taylor and Marie Yovanovitch, the former U.S. ambassador to Ukraine that Pompeo pulled out early from her post, offered leads on that front.
Taylor said that on Aug. 29, before he’d personally realized that the U.S. aid to Ukraine might have been frozen to help Trump’s political ambitions, he sent a cable to Pompeo conveying his concern about withholding the aid. Pompeo did not respond, Taylor said.
The cable itself could prove interesting, but Taylor also added that he’d heard that soon after receiving it, Pompeo took the cable with him to a meeting at the White House focused on security assistance for Ukraine. The notes from that meeting could prove significant, especially if there was any discussion of exactly why the aid was being withheld, or whether Pompeo spoke with the president about it.
In describing her removal, Yovanovitch mentioned a few tidbits that could shed light on Pompeo’s actions. She said that the State Department had asked her in early March to extend her tour in Ukraine until 2020; a document with that request is likely to exist, and would be evidence of her good standing in the role.
She also said that in late April she was told to fly back to Washington. That’s when Deputy Secretary of State John Sullivan told her she was being recalled early. According to Yovanovitch, Sulivan told her that she had “done nothing wrong” and that “the department had been under pressure from the president to remove me since the summer of 2018.”
That is nearly a year’s worth of time for such “pressure from the president.” Investigators will likely want to obtain emails, meeting notes and other materials linking the State Department, the White House and Yovanovitch. While Pompeo’s own communications could prove vital, those of his top aides and assistants – including Sullivan – could be just as enlightening.
The administration will likely try to block the release of any document that was generated from the White House, even if it was sent to State, citing executive privilege. Odds are, though, that there are “intra-State” documents that wouldn’t be subject to such a claim. That’s true not just for what happened to Yovanovitch but also for the broader questions about Ukraine policy.
The “intra-State” conversations could include communications between Pompeo and Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union who was heavily involved in Ukraine policy through what Taylor described as the “irregular channel.” In his testimony, Sondland made a point of repeatedly suggesting Pompeo was in the loop. “I understand that all my actions involving Ukraine had the blessing of Secretary Pompeo as my work was consistent with long-standing U.S. foreign policy objectives,” he said.
Conversations with Ukrainians
U.S. diplomats who have interactions of any substance with a foreign official typically document them, often through a cable or an email to others at the State Department so that they are up to date. According to the testimonies, there were many such interactions.
For instance, Bill Taylor referred to an odd June 28 conference call that first included him, Sondland, and others, and which was later broadened to include the new Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelensky.
Prior to Zelensky joining, there were cryptic mentions of Trump’s desire to see Ukrainian investigations. Among those mentioning them was Kurt Volker, at the time the U.S. special envoy for Ukraine negotiations. Taylor said he “reported on this call” to Deputy Assistant Secretary of State George Kent and also wrote a “memo for the record” dated June 30 summarizing the conversation with Zelensky.
While Taylor, a veteran diplomat with 50 years of government service, has indicated he rigorously documented interactions with the Ukrainians — as well as those with other State Department officials — it’s less clear how much Sondland and Volker did the same.
Their record-keeping could help establish the basics of what was discussed during two critical meetings: A July 10 one in the White House between U.S. and Ukrainian officials; and a July 26 meeting in Kyiv between U.S. and Ukrainian officials. According to Taylor and Fiona Hill, a former National Security Council official, the July 10 meeting was especially explosive as then-national security adviser John Bolton grew livid at Sondland when he realized Trump’s political calculations might be playing a role in shaping Ukraine policy. In Sondland’s opening statement, however, he either leaves out or glosses over that aspect of the meeting.
Volker, a former Foreign Service officer, has already handed over a batch of text messages to investigators. He quit as special envoy and has been largely cooperative. Sondland had no diplomatic experience but was given an ambassadorship after donating $1 million to Trump’s inauguration. He has said the State Department has his relevant documents, but the department has been slow to respond to congressional subpoenas for the material.
But Sondland indicated in his testimony that he prefers to communicate orally when possible, although he insisted that’s not because he wants to avoid creating a record. Attempting to clarify why in some text message exchanges with others he used phrases like “Call me” or otherwise suggested stopping texting, he said, “In my view, diplomacy is best handled through back-and-forth conversation.”
Outreach to Giuliani
One potentially valuable avenue for investigators is finding any and all communications between U.S. officials and Rudy Giuliani, the president’s personal lawyer.
Giuliani was part of what Hill and Taylor depicted as a shadow foreign policy aimed at pressuring Ukraine to investigate the Bidens; Trump directed some of his diplomats to deal with Giuliani on aspects of U.S. policy toward Ukraine, according to the testimonies, and according to an interview outgoing Energy Secretary Rick Perry gave the Wall Street Journal.
Because Giuliani is not a U.S. government official, communications with him by U.S. officials — including texts or emails — should, in theory, be easier to obtain because they are unlikely to contain classified material. Giuliani may try to shield his communications by referring to attorney-client privilege, but legal experts insist that argument can be used only in a narrow manner.
American Oversight’s records request to the administration includes senior U.S. officials’ communications with Giuliani; this past week, a judge ordered the State Department to start sending over documents to the watchdog group within 30 days.
The unnamed
For every big name brought up in the inquiry, there are lower-level government officials whose own records may prove critical to piecing together the puzzle.
Who was the unnamed OMB staffer Taylor mentioned? Who put Ukraine-related calls and meetings on the president’s calendar? Who wrote up the summaries of conclusions of Ukraine-related meetings at the National Security Council? Who took contemporaneous notes that match those summaries?
In a sense, the White House already has given Congress the most damning breadcrumb yet: the detailed readout of a July 25 phone call between Trump and Zelensky, in which the U.S. president repeatedly urges his Ukrainian counterpart to investigate Biden.
For an airtight case proving a “quid pro quo,” though, it might come down to the word of an administrative assistant. Did any White House aides, for instance, take contemporaneous notes of the president linking the military aid directly to political favors?
For now, the House committees overseeing the impeachment inquiry have put in broadly worded requests and subpoenas for documents. For instance, they’ve demanded “any and all records generated or received by the State Department in connection with or that refer, or relate in any way to the July 25 call.”
Thanks to the clues offered so far in the various testimonies, the president’s own advisers may have made that task far simpler.
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Regarding Season 5 Legends of Tomorrow
Spoilers mostly because of two paragraphs of quotes hinting at Season 5 but it's not really spoilery.
So everyone seems a little worried about the season finale spoilers which are hinting about what season 5 may be about and while I am a little something has been niggling at me, a lot of somethings.
If you are here only for Avalance. Check #4 it's a theory that I haven't been able to shake since I read the Season 5 spoilers.
Here for potential episode count of Season 5 of Legends of Tomorrow and/or the potential reasoning behind it's midseason, next year move? Try #3
Or here for a potential theory regarding Season 5 entirely. This also includes Avalance and has a little more backbone then #4. Check out #5
Here for Crisis on Infinite Earths? Check the last part.
So I made a list and dug back through almost every episode of Legends from season 3-4 to try to calm my fears and honestly I think there are some huge clues buried deep in there.
1. People are worried that next Season will be Legends of Tomorrow's last and I honest to god think Legends of Tomorrow will end with a Season 6 and not 5. Why do I think this? Mostly because the CW renewed it for season 5 didn't mention it was ending and renewed Arrow for season 8 and mentioned that it would be it's final season. Plus I doubt they'd end two of the Arrowverse shows one after the other. I know it hasn't been running as long as Arrow and Legends isn't the flagship show but I do believe they would've let people know if that would be it. Though that said I do believe Legends will have a Season 6 and that will be it's last, do I want it to be? No.
Should it be? That's to be determined.
There are hundreds of stories a show like Legends could tell but honestly ask yourself is it worth the risk of Legends losing what makes it Legends, let it and those in it go down as Legends I say.
2. And what happens when the Legends awaken the original guardians of Time (no, not the Time Masters, sillies, that was season one!) who wish to erase everything the Legends have “screwed up for the better” over the past four seasons?
I needed to especially hit this nail on the head, considering I began writing a fic back at the beginning of 3B about original guardians of time, I literally even called them Time Guardians and tied the original 2 of them to Adam and Eve and there was this whole plot surrounding what if and honestly Im scrapping it now, I was probably never going to finish it but I was almost half way through so thats something.
Now to get on with the actual point of this quote, I dont know if anybody has noticed but this entire season offset with the actors and actressess and onset as their characters, especially the closer it gets to the finale has been extremely focused on the wrongs season 1 did, how bad it was, how much the actors didn't like it (example - Dominic Purcell's quote, Phil Klemmers comments about it and on and on with the other actors), the quote above even mentions the fact that these guardians will try to correct the past 4 seasons and then there's Sara's and Mick's mention to it in "Nip/Stuck", the offshoot moment that had everyone going awwww when Mick mentioned they were the last of the originals and Sara mentioned they were different back then and that they are growing up but hopefully not apart (a huge hint I believe that this show is ready to tie the knot, just not season 5 ready because they'll need to be adults for that ending and they aren't quite there yet) season 4 was about coming to terms with that fact and season 5 will be about them acting on it, season 6 will be the realisation that every Legend has an ending. This is where season 5 'them acting on being adults' comes into it, I believe Legends is going to try to write season 1's wrong in a way they haven't done yet, do I mean they'll literally go back and rewrite season 1? No, i swear to god they better not that would be another level of unbelievable yet to be achieved but that doesn't mean certain aspects of season 1 won't have a huge impact, season 1 brought them together as in Sara's words "the original losers, not important to history" and now look at them. Season 1 of Legends will play a pivotal plot point to Season 5, a realisation of soughts. It's time for the Legends to grow up, realise that every action truly has consequences and that nothing lasts forever, something they couldn't fathom when Rip tried to keep them from fixing their mess in 3x01 forcing them to get normal lives and not be time travelling superheroes. Though they'll surely have their fun discovering this.
3. Midseason Return and episode count
Okay, I am not worried at all about this. Is it shitty? Yeah definitely. We won't be getting episodes until at least at minimum January next year but let's be honest with Batwoman hitting our screens, this was going to happen.
Legends of Tomorrow is the CW's most outrageous, crazy, no ordinary run of the mill show they have. It's no longer able to fit with the nitty gritty of the Arrowverse, it's in a league of its own.
These things are what make Legends of Tomorrow, Legends of Tomorrow. It wouldn't be the same if it resembled the street show Arrow is or the teen superhero show the Flash is or the normal, kind of? that Supergirl is or whatever type of darl thing Batwoman will be. Just like Black Lightning (which if you aren't watching, why?) Legends is something of its own. Unique.
Moving Legends away may very well be them realising this.
As for episode count, I don't expect anything above 16 episodes but I certainly don't expect anything below 13. This whole 10 episode rumour going around, I find it hard to believe, Arrow got 10 mostly because it's the last season and Stephen Amell requested a shorter series to end on.
4. Avalance - let's be honest most of you reading this are only here for the Avalance. Probably.
What do I think of Avalance leading into season 5? I think we got our answer perhaps in the form of Clexacon, 4B and the spoiler. Everyone is so concerned with the fact that they may break up that they haven't considered something entirely different.
In attempting to change her future, Zari Tomaz (Tala Ashe) will accidentally change not just the past she shared with Nate Heywood (Nick Zano), but fundamentally change who the Legends are in season five.
From this one paragraph everybody assumes they are going to be broken up in this new reality. If that turns out to be the case I am all here for a finding their way back to each other season. Remember, Sara and Ava are who each other want. They'll find their way back to one another.
Though this isn't what I get from this, remember Clexacon. Remember baby Beebo's? Remember Ava wanting a life with Sara and Sara not entirely sure she could give that to Ava with her past, remember everything with Sara's father, remember Ava wanting to talk about kids and so on and so on. Now I'm not saying Quentin will make an appearance but I am suggesting that what if this new reality is everything they ever wanted, what if it's paradise, Ava has a kid with Sara, Sara has her father and she's in a good place with Ava but nothing feels right. What if it changes their lives all for the better and season 5 is them coming to terms with the fact that they can't have something that isn't really real. Imagine Ava having to let go of a child, Sara having to say goodbye to a living family, Nate saying goodbye to his Dad again, Mick having to let go off being some famous writer and so on and so on for every other character. It's not their reality whether it's perfect or not at the end of the day they are heroes and now they need to prove it.
Will Avalance have a rough patch? No doubt.
Will they be broken up at the start of next season? Who knows, I don't, not really.
Will they find their place together? Definitely, I'd bet my life Legends Season 5 ends with Avalance. Though Season 6 may start with only one of them.
5. What if the opposite of the above happens?
What if it's the fact that Zari erases herself from history or never meets the Legends and detrimentally changes the future, I mean that was a theme through all of season 3 and looking back at the fantastic episode "Here We Go Again" Gideon and Zari figure out that without her they can't stop Mallus, what else would've happened without Zari.
If Zari never met the Legends what would the impact be?
First we need to take a look at Zari and what brought her too the Legends, namely her brother and the desire to save him, he gave her the totem, so let's think this through, if Zari some how manages to save her brother (I'm gonna say she saves him with her dragon, that dragon will come into play somehow, leaving it at Zari's was in no way a random thing), she never gets the totem, she never joins the Legends and the Legends no longer have six totems.
What then? What about Mallus? What about Nora?
What about Avalance, Zari (with the help of the cheeky bot, Sara's words not mine,) were catalysts for them, is it possible that without her push to Sara, Ava moved on with that ex in Vegas or someone else. It would give Legends and opportunity for some hilarious Sara jealousy and pining something we haven't really ever seen. Could you imagine? They would be friends with or without Zari but would they be together? Sara is a little stupid when it comes to admitting feelings and Ava is a little dense when it comes to anything Sara related, it would make for a joy to watch as Sara and Ava fall in love all over again but never truly get together until everything is fixed with time and they realise the lynch pin to their relationship starting was Zari.
What about Charlie? Or Constantine? Zari had a huge impact on both characters, "Legends of To-Meow-Meow" is all the proof you need.
Would Constantine even be a part of the team?
Would Charlie?
Would Mick be a writer, Zari gave him the push he needed, to be out as a writer and to be a writer. Without Zari, Here We Go Again never happened.
Zari impacted every one of Legends, willing or not. Mostly not.
What about those donuts? Would the Waverider be overrun by donuts? Poor Gideon.
Crisis on Infinite Earths
Alright this is because this makes me more nervous than Season 5 of Legends spoilers does. Probably because we haven't heard anything really and only have the comics to truly back the crazy theories surrounding it.
Lets give it a look. Canon flow of the story between all shows hasn't been the CW's greatest forte, their plot holes only seem to get bigger and bigger with every second or third episode that hits the screen as they try to tie all these shows together.
That said, one thing that has yet to become a plot hole, at least not that I've seen. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
The Legends were picked because they wouldn't impact history in any great way. Sara dying or any Legends dying to save the multiverse would throw a wrench into this and blow the biggest plot hole in Legends that would be pretty hard to turn around from. I'm not saying that they might not try because it is the CW but let's be honest going into Clexacon, Jes and Caity knew how Legends was going to end, Caity will be back for the next season which would be awkward if she died in the crossover (Though she does have a habit of coming back from death), so relax chill and wait to see that most likely this Crossover will show what happens with Oliver Queen the Arrow, one final Arrowverse send of for the one who started it. Love or loathe Arrow, personally for me it went downhill around season 5 but I hold a soft spot for it, love or loathe you probably wouldn't have everything else without it. So give it a round of applause when it finishes, Stephen Amell and the rest of them deserve it.
That said it is Crisis on Infinite Earths, who's to say that the new season of Legends will take place on the Earth we are familiar with, after all they're time travellers, who needs Earth, time will do just fine. Just have to wait and see.
If only we had a time machine right?
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