#also I know people don't like clogging tags with stuff that only barely mentions the ship but i think it's also good for people muting/bloc

[findafight]

i agree w all of your r*nance thoughts. i also think a big issue for them would be nancy never being robin's Person bc of steve; i do not think that's something nancy could stomach. tho at this point, even if i had liked it originally, i would despise it bc of how often ppl have robin or nancy or both do absolutely sick and twisted things to steve. like the amount of fics where robin doesn't tell steve/actively lies to him about it for extended periods of time then he just has to be okay w it or they have robin just start putting nancy above steve in every aspect of life is ridiculous. then there's the really bad ones, like the fic i saw where the entire premise is r*nance fucking in steve's bed w/o his knowledge (and robin specifically doesn't feel bad at all which ???? like they have nancy feel bad but not robin? i will never understand) or the ficlet i saw where robin asks steve for sex advice then either 1) tells him it's nancy and he makes the advice specific (wtf) or 2) doesn't tell him but he figures it out later bc nancy thanks him since she realized the advice came from him (demonic). like what the actual fuck. sorry i had to complain about the things i've been forced to see against my will by tumblr.

so many things to complain about having seen on the hellsite. carry on fellow soldier 🫡

dsakjhfaksdhkf ya like. the concept of either of them starting to date someone they like and not immediately busting the other's door down like candace_momholyFUCK dot jpeg is just absurd to me. Robin would kiss a girl for the first time and as soon as she gets home she's dialing Steve up and twirling the phone cord around her fingers and kicking her legs, giggling. They were having boobie talk in the car at 7am. they def share if they actually get a date with someone they have a crush on!! (the exception being if that person didn't want to come out, like I could see Steve telling Robin he kissed a guy or had a boyfriend but not saying who because the bf wasn't ready for other people/people he didn't know well to know? but robin would still know he had a bf and details about what they do, just not personal details.)

I find it actually laughable that people would consider Robin would put some romantic interest above her most specialest boy in the whole wide world. Like. She was obsessed with him when she held her tammy and bagel crumb grudge and hated him! Now she loves him? Do people thing she isn't obsessed with him now?? Absolutely not she's worse and she steals his shirts to prove it.

Which I agree with you. Nancy obviously wants to be her romantic partner's priority and number 1. Jonathan's priority is his family and we saw in both s3 and s4 that this causes strain in their relationship! To the point they kinda break up in s3 about it! Robin and Steve both can no longer give that to their partners, because they have each other, scoops troop, and, by extension, the Party. Which is wild because s2 Nancy was Steve's priority.

idk whyyy people have Robin be mean to Steve :( stopppp that's her special little guy. her sweet cheese. her rotten soldier. She might say or do something that hurts him but she would try to apologize as soon as she realizes!! Just like he would for her! I think it might come from people still prioritizing romo ships over platonic ones and trying to have those be the most important and special and deep relationship the characters have.

lldkfjlakdflkajlfdj anon those are WILD fics wow. I think some are trying to acknowledge past st4ncy, but neglect all the hurt that happened at the end of that relationship, and that for the characters, in s4, Steve and Nancy broke up less than a year and a half ago! very messily and hurtfully! (once again, regardless of whether or not steve knows Nancy cheated) that is so short between the end of the relationship to be hooking up with your best friend's ex! that he has expressed romantic feelings for recently! or trying to emphasize robin and steve's weird little qpr comfortable in one another's space and oversharing relationship but missing the mark. like. it's one thing to sleep in a friend's bed with a different friend. it another to have sex in a friend's guest bedroom. it's another level to have sex in your friends bed? that's bonkers.wild.

I do think it'd be funny for Steve and Robin to exchange sex tips/stories but the first time i think Robin asks and Steve just blanks and goes "cut your nails. watch your teeth." which like. yeah. Robin figured. They're weirdos who live inside each other's pockets and brains but they probably do have some levels of comfort to work up to (they've been friends for less than a year! even if it feels like they've known each other forever)

(also. there is a weird thing sometimes where Nancy is closer to Steve/cares more openly about him than she would. I think it might be a bit of a backlash to people pointing out that she cheated on him in s2 and then seemed to not talk to him at all between then and s3 and again between s3 and s4? hmm...)

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literally could not agree with you more about the Steddie tagging stuff, like, I don't hate Eddie or Steve - I really fucking like Steve (despite his goddamn 6 kid fantasy which seems barely in character anyway) and Eddie is fine, a woefully misused, kinda overhyped, character that had lots of potential but that's besides the point - but this whole thing seems to have gotten so out of hand

sure, there is the option to exclude relationship tag and all that jazz, but we really shouldn't have to do that just to read fics about a pairing in their on tag - it's so crazy. it seems like some people just don't understand basic Ao3 usage and how to not clog their fics with irrelevant tags

when I look at Ronance centred fics (not tagged as multi, that classic F/F red goodness), if they have Steddie tagged it's as 'background/mentioned' in line with how central it is to the fic itself, right, but when you see Steddie fics tagged with Ronance not being 'background/mentioned', only to read it and realise, oh shit, this is just Steddie like, 1 sentence of Ronance, it's really annoying

this probably makes very little sense, but i found your page and it resonates so much about something so goddamn frustrating

(also, your fic concepts are badass and I would 100% read them.)

the thing that makes it doubly annoying is that excluding tags doesn't even work. if you exclude ste/ddie, you exclude any good ronance fic that has them tagged in any way. if you use otp:true, the fic count drops from 2k to like 500. 5-fucking-00. no way are 1.5k of the fics in our tag ste/ddie and otherwise, because if so, that just highlights a whole other problem. and, as you said, it also just isn’t a length we should have to go to regardless. 

i’m finally going to just come out and say this feels like an issue of mlm shipper entitlement. everyone who’s told me they’ve experienced this in other fandoms has said it was with a mlm ship. as someone who’s only shipped wlw ships (none of which had large competing mlm ships), it’s not an issue i’ve even encountered until now. and while ste/ddie shippers are constantly flooding our ao3 and even tumblr tags, the reverse just isn’t happening. (or it wasn’t; i know some people are doing it on purpose now, and good for them, frankly.)

now, there have been some ste/ddie shippers who have asked how to stop their fics from coming into our tag, and those people have all my uwus, but i can’t tell if the rest (and majority) of them are unaware, obnoxious, doing it on purpose or a combo of the last two. (and considering my meme about this issue has like 2k fucking notes, my money’s on obnoxiously doing it on purpose.) 

we asked politely. it almost seemed to get worse. we fought fire with fire. they got a ronancer’s ao3 account suspended. nobody really wants to ask nicely on their fics/posts in case they weaponize the report system against us. it’s such a hot issue, other lgbt+ shippers in this fandom are having to deal with it. like, how entitled do you have to be about your precious never-gonna-happen semi-attractive white boys to be this notoriously annoying? i mean jesus christ. i was completely neutral on ste/ddie, and now just seeing the name irks me. imagine being so infuriating that you make people hate your ship just by association asdfghjkl.

(also thank you. i’ll probably never write them because my writing brain is on holiday, but people are always welcome to take the concepts and run with them lol.)