#also i respect k|pop fans and none of this is any kind of attack on k|pop i'm just going off of the very little i know about it

[khihi]

i know people said no but i'm here to say i can actually understand the joker out/kpop thing?? jo have a less clean image but i'd argue they're STILL very aware of their image and they're arguably pretty "clean"/cute as far as bands go (kpop idols also drink and smoke like crazy sorry to say lol 💀) the fandom demographics and behaviours are also pretty similar (and i've seen a lot of kpop/former kpop fans in the fandom). it's not 100% the same but i kinda get it idk

i kind of get what you're saying, but like... i don't think making sure your image is just about "clean" enough to get brand deal/sponsorship money as a growing younger band is that unusual for non-kpop bands

idk how else to explain it so bear with me here, but the left is how i think of kpop bands trying to fix the cracks in their clean image and the right is joker out "fixing" the cracks in their "clean" image: