#also to clarify the TP gameplay we literally only interact with him inside a dream hallucination so like. make of that what you will

[changeling-rin]

(Hello Anon on Gramps potentially being Lore) Imagine if all the Links fail to defeat Demise then Gramps and the Hero's Shade step out and chalenge him. P.S. who would win Amped Demise of the HS and Gramps (My money is in the old dudes as the HS could tank while Gramps shoots him from afar.) P.S.S. Prime Lore and Mask (Probably HS) vs the other Links (minus Oni)

That would be epic, though probably not what I will actually be doing. It's fun to think about though!

P.S. still Amped-Up Demise, sorry. Regardless of how good the Hero's Shade and an even-more-experienced Lore would be, let's first remember that the Shade is dead and Lore is like... probably in his seventies somewhere. The first problem is that ghosts have a hard time touching things. The second problem is that people in their seventies are rarely up for a fight, much less a life-or-death combat war. And the third problem is that Demise is still actively packing the additional strength of thirteen more people, their magic reserves, their skills and life experiences, and their powers. Stack that with his own, already frightening powers, and his absolute willingness to kill something to get his way, and... yeah. Demise still wins.

P.P.S. To clarify we are still talking about Gramps Lore and the Hero's Shade here, yes? Versus the Chain, minus Oni. Well, it would be a closer fight, but the Chain would probably win eventually on the sheer basis of outnumbering by about ten to one. Plus, they've got Shadow. Kindly imagine a pissed-off Shadow. There will be carnage.