#and Yoda doesn’t have any defense of diminished responsibility since he was in charge for 800 years and Dooku fell before Anakin

[gch1995]

I agree with all your points(the ones i have read so far i guess, so many..)

, but i have never seen you adress that every single jedi we see has been indoctrinated from birth, the jedi have been operating for thousands of years like that and with the rest of the galaxy being fk up, i cant really blame them for not questioning that much.

And with there being no people bringing in outside perspective its no wonder its been unchallenged for so long.

Im specifically talking about them raising (and acquiring) people with the force as they have been raised.

I do kind of agree with you, but then there’s also the fact that Anakin Skywalker was not the first Jedi to go dark in his time, or become frustrated by how much abuse, alienation, moral hypocrisy, and oppression was going on in the Jedi Order.

I do agree that most of the Jedi did also have compromised agency to feel safe doing much better, but, honestly, I don’t feel any sympathy for Yoda at all. He doesn’t have any sort of diminished responsibility defense or mitigating circumstances working in his favor in regards to his enablement and perpetration of “necessary” systematic abuse, crime, corruption, and oppression because he was in charge for 800+ years, he knew Palpatine was shady, and he had a padawan before Anakin who went dark before him named Count Dooku. No, Dooku’s not wholly innocent either, he did have a bit of a prideful streak, but, much like Anakin Skywalker, he felt influenced to go dark because he had some knowledge of family and the world outside of Yoda’s cult after finding out about his inheritance from his family.

Dooku went dark, even before Anakin got recruited by them, so, like, you would think that a genuinely wise Jedi grandmaster would wonder if the system he was implementing was wrong. You’d think he’d wonder what he could have done wrong as Dooku’s teacher, asked him why he thought the Republic and Jedi Order were corrupt and considered taking steps to try to improve things, but no, it’s all Dooku’s fault he ended up going dark. Not at all on him for doing Dooku dirty with the invalidating Jedi methods as his teacher.

No, it wouldn’t mean that Dooku or Anakin wouldn’t still be worthy of a punishment for their crimes, but they should have had rights to a fair trial. The Jedi who they grew up with shouldn’t have been the ones executing them. Obi Wan and Yoda should have at least asked why Anakin and Dooku went dark before going straight to executing them and viewing them as the enemy who’s completely without hopw, especially since they weren’t all that much better themselves in the prequels era by the time the clone wars came around.

Ultimately, though, I think most of the Jedi adults of the prequels era deserve a similar “guilty but compromised” sentence that Anakin does for his crimes. They weren’t psychopaths or wholly insane. They had consciences that pricked their minds when they were enabling and/or perpetuating this systematic crime and abuse, but they had limited opportunity to be able to feel safely doing much better. They kept getting told by those with power over them that “it was for the greater good” every time they did try to speak up a bit. Eventually they stopped trying out of fear of the unknown and learned to slap that same “greater good” band-aid on the systematic atrocities and abuses they enabled and perpetuated because they didn’t feel confident enough in their own agency to do better when all the odds were against them in succeeding and they lacked experience. I do also think Anakin had C-PTSD from slavery that the Jedi adults, Palpatine, and being trained as soldier for childhood exacerbated. Obi Wan may have developed it after the fall of the Order and Republic.

I don’t have any explanations as to why Yoda sucked so much, though. He was in charge for 800 years, he had failed another padawan before Anakin as a Jedi master, and he continues to attempt to use the same methods with Luke twenty years later. The only thing that would make sense would be if it were revealed that he was actually a Sith Lord in disguise the whole time.