#and hibiya's being kagerou daze n otsukimi recital.

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[fuckyeahkagepro]

Kagepro theories the nth: MOMO EDITION + FOCUSING ! HIBIYA?!????

Kagerou Project Theories ~ 

MOMO (’S DROWNING)?? (EDITION??) (+ AZAMI..... ??!) +

FOCUSING EYES (+ HIBIYA !!! AND/OR ?? HIYORI THEORIES THE NTH)

( * See my archive for too many past Hibiya and etc. theories )

[ * KAGEPRO ROUTES ENDINGS SPOILERS WITHIN ] RELEVANT: - various Hibiya theories - various other theories (focus mainly on character-related theories) - Hibiya Amamiya’s Changing Phonetsraps Keychains subplot - THIS MCA 04 scene vs. Novels route comparisons - THESE THOUGHTS ( READ AFTER FINISHING THIS POST TOO )

( * OFFICIAL ROUTES / ORDER OF THEM ARE IN MY FAQ )

“THE CHILDREN REASON”: (Shintaro’s POV; he’s speaking to Kido about Momo’s drowning + etc.)

( MOMO: orange underlines HIBIYA: cyan blue Hiyori [briefly]: pink Seto [briefly]: green )

[ OFFICIAL ENGLISH TRANSLATION ]:

.....

[ insert a scene where Kido references they don’t remember here ]

^ ( IMPORTANT IMPORTANT IMPORTANT IMPORTANT IMPORTANT )

[ CONTINUE: ]

“ THE MISSING CHILDREN ” (Novel 4), Shinigami Record II: (* FAN TRANSLATION ) [ * AZAMI’S POV ]

RE: POSSIBLY AROUND WHEN THE SNAKES LEAVE HER:

( Black lines: Azami relevant )

^ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

“ THROUGH ” “ FOCUSING ”

“ F O C U S I N G ” [ EYES !!!!!!!!!!! ]

( AND EVEN ) ( RIGHT ) ( A F T E R )

( “ CAPTIVATING ” )  ( !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! )

^ WOW IT’S ALMOST LIKE THEY’RE A SET

THAT OCCUR VERY CLOSE TOGETHER

IN POSSIBLY LEAVING AZAMI -----------------------------

“ The Children Reason ”, OTSUKIMI RECITAL ENDING CHAPTERS:

[ * DISCLAIMER: OLD FAN TRANSLATION BUT ]

FROM HERE:

(MOMO’S POV):

“Hibiya?!”

I ran towards Hibiya, and realized he was all pallid.

“Cheer up kay? We will do our best together…. kay?”

“Perhaps, even I can’t do it….. even….. I don’t even know if Hiyori is still alive…….”

“……..YOU CAN’T BE LIKE THIS!”

That was, a sentence he really shouldn’t say.

( line breaks here mine for EMPHASIS):

If no one believes one is alive, if they don’t search for that person, maybe

that person will really disappear.

This is a thing I believe since young.

“You can’t…… say things like that…. You cannot give up…! Because I…… believe in you…..!”

^ “ if no one BELIEVES ONE ”                “ IS ALIVE ”

“ IF THEY DON’T ”          “ SEARCH ”            “ FOR THAT PERSON ”,

“ MAYBE ”               “ THAT PERSON ”

“ WILL REALLY ”                                               “ DISAPPEAR ”

“ THIS IS ”

“ A THING ”

“ I BELIEVE[D] ”

“ SINCE ”

“ YOUNG ”

ABOVE: MOMO DROWNING NEAR THE END OF

Konoha no Sekai Jijou pv

... MEANWHILE, FROM HERE, 2012 FANDOM ERA SCAN:

Momo’s mystery

The only mystery about her that is NOT REVEALED YET is

how she got hold of her powers in the past.

What exactly happened during

the beach incident that happened when she was young.

And also what happened to her father who was also involved in it….

That incident’s one scene was shown a bit in Konoha no Sekai Jijou.

VERY RELEVANT: EARLY MANGA ROUTE 2:

Shinigami Record I: - AYANO BEGINS TELLING HIBIYA ABOUT AZAMI’S PAST

Shinigami Record III:

“ CAPTURING CAPTIVATING EYES ”

“ I USED MY ” “ F O C U S I N G ” “ E Y E S ”      “ TO GET HERE ” ,

Shinigami Record IV: - AZAMI FINDS THE “ BRIGHT FOREST ”

Shinigami Record VII:

AYANO TO HIBIYA RE AZAMI’S FINAL ORDER:

“ SWALLOW THEM ”            “ AND GRANT THEM ”

                                       “ A LIFE IN EXCHANGE ”

SUMMARY OF CHAPTERS AFTER:

Meanwhile, Ayano, Shintaro, and Hibiya are still in discussion.

Shintaro explains that

Momo suddenly gained the ability to attract the attention of others

when she was in [Junior high] school.

^ FRIENDLY REMINDERS

Because of this power [CAPTURING], [Shintaro]’s sister [MOMO] became unable to live a normal life. (SHINTARO): “I can’t just sit still and do nothing if something bad’s about to happen to her.“ Seeing how much he wants to protect his sister, Ayano agrees to tell him everything. Some time later, they’ve left the restaurant, and Shintaro attempts to look for Momo.

Ayano talks about how the time Momo drowned

was about the time [Ayano] saw the snake of ‘ Capturing Eyes ’

LEAVE the DAZE

in Azami’s memories.

.................................................   HIBIYA IS STILL HERE.

HEARING ALL OF THIS.

^ “ F * * K

AYANO ASKED WHEN THE SNAKE ENTERED HIBIYA’S BODY:

“  Ayano asked when the snake entered Hibiya’s body, to which he answered FROM , THE , VERY , START ,   long before he killed “Concealing Eyes”

AND MET AYANO.

He continued that this body was a “miss”. It was good that the boy who didn’t have any wish began to have a desire to “save the girl”, but it was a little bit immature. Regardless that the snake was a being that eats up “desire”, that wish causes him a sour stomach. ” ...........................................................................

OK SAERU / CLEARING EYES ASIDE

IS ANYONE MAKING THE CONNECTIONS THAT I’M MAKING

AND POSSIBLY ALSO RE:

MOMO’S DROWNING ???????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AND WHEN “ CAPTURING ” AND “ FOCUSING ”

LEAVE THE DAZE IN AZAMI’S MEMORIES ???????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MEANWHILE IF YOUNG MOMO

WAS DROWNING

AND FELT

SHE COULD NEVER BE FOUND ------------------------------ MOMO’S BODY IS SPAT OUT

OF THE DAZE

“ THE NEXT DAY ” -------------------------

.....................................................................................

DOES “ FOCUSING EYES ”

HAVE ANY CONNECTION TO ANY OF THIS AT ALL

OTHER THAN MAYBE

SAERU

SAW

EVERYTHING

THAT

H I B I Y A            WAS          TOLD         BY         “ AYANO ”

IN THIS 2ND MANGA ROUTE

THAT’S BEEN GOING ON SINCE 2013

INCLUDING WITH THE ABOVE CHAPTERS

AND THE ENDING WE NOW KNOW ABOUT    ------------------- ...................................................................

[ TO BE CONTINUED, MAYBE ]

[fuckyeahkagepro]

Kagepro theories / random analysis / questions of sorts?

so, funny things seem to happen when you directly compare [play at the same time against each other] the music videos for - Otsukimi Recital [of all songs] and - Outer Science ... while trying to find more Outer Science parallels ..... ... and then compare those findings to other things too ..... [bonus: some novel 8 spoiler bits from recent translations] [ even if this ends up being totally false maybe consider it like a fic that wrote itself? (hhhha) ] [ but seriously please try comparing the two videos by playing them at the exact same time against each other, some parts time up timing wise surprisingly well! ] [ also it’s very amusing ] [ also includes some “Additional Memory” arc from Manga Route analysis ]

ok so if you weren’t here for Outer Science’s release in the past, this happened at one point: [spurring off a series where everyone tried to catch more parallels]:

..... (and so on) ..... uhhhhh “[this] is the real thing!” - “Kagerou” in Wannyanpuu’s KageDaze pv [TOO] (also in original KageDaze’s song lyrics still) (UHHHHHHH) naturally, I recently was reminded of it [in the year 2k18 at that] and thought, “hey, did anyone ever directly compare Otsukimi Recital too? i didn’t have any caps from it in my archives just thematic parallels--” and well um [disclaimer: most of this is just for fun ok] [ but also to try and connect together thematic parallels if indirectly ] [ Outer Science re-translation from Kagepro wiki ] [ CONTAINS SPOILERS FOR ALL MAJOR ROUTES ] [ skip to the end for more important Routes questions! ]

[^ opening: Momo pan-up, Saeru pan-up] [ ^ Momo’s eyes flashing red as she points to the viewer, Outer Science intro ]

[^ oh hey (the one on right flashes by very fast too)] 

[^ “...Daze you too”] [”hey, you (prayed too, right?)” -Saeru]

[^ also just before Momo’s “nee!” face at the exact moment Saeru says “nee”] (that’s more of a fun timing thing though)

[^”young master”] [similar mouth placements...] [”it’s pointless” -Hibiya, and also Kagerou in old fanmade [but later Kagepro artist though] Wannyanpuu versions] / [”it’s (an unpleasant) story” -”Azami”]

[^ compared better to young Seto in Shounen Brave up there but]

(a bit earlier) [^the wires?] [there are a lot of TVs in certain Music Route songs ....] [^”(just saying supportive things) wasn’t going to cut it” as Konoha flashes by]

[^ hmmm] .....

[^ ok but what if Momo DID know more than she’s letting on] [or later on, too]

[^ all of them flash by in these and related parts but]

[^ ”...go together”]

[^ HIBIYA NO]

[^”(Legends, life, and even people’s fate)”] [^ oh hi cat] [still a KageDaze reference]

[^ disclaimer: I am not writing these ok. it does it itself] [”...(And inadvertently falling in love, too)...” - right side]

[^ THIS ENTIRE SECTION LINES UP TIMING WISE PRETTY CLOSELY] [ PARALLELS WITHIN PARALLELS (ON THE LEFT SIDE TOO) ] [ Hibiya’s FACE there ] [”(Such stupid things.)” -Saeru] [”i don’t even know what’s going on...” -Hibiya] [“(Ah, how difficult, what a challenge, I can’t stand it)” -Saeru]

[”*(Embedding in those eyes)”] [ ... the soda hits Hibiya in the eyes literally right then ] (maybe more fun but wow timing)

[”the power to combine the eyes together...”] [...?] (oh hi Mary) ( they DO need Focusing Eyes too ..... )

[^ Momo WATCH OUT]

[^ I mean literally] [ PARALLELS WITHIN PARALLELS WITHIN ] [’sobbing ”I don’t want this!”’] [”(You knew it, right? That's fate)” -Saeru]

[^ he obviously wouldn’t want this to happen to Konoha either ok] [ much less the rest ] [^ in Otsukimi Recital he’s also having Hiyori flashbacks here] [”(first tragedy)”]

[”I wanted us to be together” -Hibiya] [ ... uh oh]

[^ Momo: must help Hibiya get FOCUSING EYES] [^“Outer Science”] (RIGHT HERE) [ in between during Otsukimi Recital interlude: Outer Science deaths, including Saeru pushing Hibiya in front of truck, like so ]

[ bonus: the street light in between flashing as Seto particularly dies too ] [ maybe related .... ]

[”(No matter how many times you deny it This foolish life you're living)” -Saeru] (.... ok seriously, this comparing aside, Saeru’s watching them?) (is that also why there’s so many TVs that pop up in Music Route videos?) (certain novel 8 spoilers too seem to indicate similar things) (also especially in some particular songs ... [see below for more on that])

[”(No matter how many times you just cry)” -Saeru]

[^ RIGHT AS HER EYES FLASH RED] [ the right side flashes by very fast reds too ] (tw epilepsy if you compare um) [^ same timing though]

["( You asked for too much and now serve to sin)” -Saeru] (ok but if it was said to Mary AND Hibiya ..... it’d fit)

[^ ending smirks/grins] [^ video ending on Otsukimi side with Momo grabbing Hibiya to pull him along]

[ ..... ok all that for fun stuff aside ] [but then I was reading Hibiya bits from novel 8 and TAKANE / ENE NO] [ DON’T GIVE HIM IDEAS TAKANE / ENE NO ]

.... ........ ........... ..... .. .

it was “MOMO’S PHONE”

- OK BUT WHY DOESN’T HE HAVE THE PHONE IN MOST MAIN TIMELINES - LITERALLY HE WAS ALMOST ALWAYS TRYING TO BUY A PHONE - LITERALLY THE FREAKING PHONE

[”i’ll do it!” -Hibiya]

[”the next next next”] [”(Let’s ridicule it!)” -Saeru]

^ “Kagerou” Hibiya, from the old Wannyanpuu fan pv

[”continue?”] [“yes”]

[ ... and after Saeru!Hibiya kills Momo ..... ]

BONUS:

[ is ... is Saeru holding Momo in Outer Science too ..... ? ]

(or if it’s not Momo, Shintaro maybe? either way) (Momo still dies by Saeru!Hibiya in Manga Route)

(BONUS THE NTH: MY TAGS FROM WAY BACK THEN EVEN:) “#... #Momo...?”

more of a fun bonus (i’m sorry) (don’t take this one seriously)

(”WELCOME TO MY WOMB” [mis?]translation)

THE POINT OF ALL OF THIS REGARDLESS OF PARALLELS OR LACK OF BEING:

WILL HIBIYA STILL CHANGE THE TIMELINES / GO PSUEDO-“DARK” (EVEN IF HE’S NOT THE “HEAT HAZE” SPECIFICALLY BUT SIMILAR) [ or like unintentionally corrupted Hibiya in a way ]

WILL HIBIYA WAKE UP NEXT ROUTE HOLDING [MOMO’S?] THE FREAKING PHONE [ IN THE PAST WE ALL THOUGHT IT’D BE HIS OWN PHONE BUT ]

- WHAT WILL HE REMEMBER (.... OR NOT) [ because even if he WAS he might not remember everything / not intentional ] - WHO DIES FIRST (HIYORI OR HIBIYA) - WHO GETS FOCUSING EYES (HIYORI OR HIBIYA) - DOES KONOHA TRY TO SAVE HIYORI OR HIBIYA FIRST OR BOTH - WHAT WILL MANGA ROUTE NEW FORM SAERU DO IN BETWEEN - (NOW THAT HE LACKS ‘KUROHA’S FORM ?) - IS THE LOST TIME MEMORY SCENE WHERE SHINTARO SAVES KUROHA AND OR KONOHA / HARUKA FROM BEING KILLED STILL IMPORTANT TOO (I’M BETTING IT IS) - ARE THERE ANY POTENTIAL ROUTES AT ALL WHERE MEKAKUSHI TRIO DON’T KNOW EACH OTHER PRIOR TO AYANO’S THEORY OF HAPPINESS [YES] (SEE: The Deceiving [novel 5], young Kano meeting young Ayano at the playground BEFORE he dies and enters the Daze / by being stabbed when still young) (SEE: Shounen Brave possibly ? ??, the period of time in between Seto drowning before he eventually revives and winds up at the orphanage (later on); later  [or possibly BEFORE that in some spinoff Route[s]?] meeting Mary) (this goes for all three members of the Trio by the way, ‘that time they died before they all met Ayano / Tateyamas’ because yes this is what messes up Mekakushi Trio dynamics and can change with every route) - IS NEW ALBUM A NEW ROUTE OR IS IT PART OF CURRENT MUSIC ROUTE CONTINUED [FORMER SEEMS LIKELY] - IS MEKAKUCITY RELOAD (WHEN IT HAPPENS TOO) A NEW ROUTE OR IS IT PART OF ANIME ROUTE CONTINUED [THE FORMER SEEMS LIKELY] - WILL ANYTHING ELSE BE ANNOUNCED COME AUGUST 15TH [LIKELY] - WAS MOMO [AND/OR KONOHA AND REST] A CATALYST EITHER WAY (IF SOMETHING LIKE THIS STILL HAPPENS) - IS MANGA ROUTE / NEW FORM SAERU DOING THINGS ON HIS OWN IN GENERAL [MAYBE?] - WHO ELSE IS IN ON THIS IF IT’S EVEN AT ALL A POSSIBILITY STILL (BECAUSE I’M HIGHLY SUSPECTING - MARY [RESETS .... ] - SETO [MAYBE] [IF HELPING MARY] [looks at novels volume 8 summaries] - HIYORI [OBVIOUSLY] - A Y A N O)

LITERALLY AYANO LITERALLY TALKS TO HIBIYA IN THE DAZE [IN NOVELS, MANGA KIND OF?, AND MCA TOO]

AYANO YOU COULD HAVE TOLD HIM ABOUT THE FREAKING PHONE !!!

BONUS THE NTH (MORE...): - Otsukimi Recital is like an “Extra Edition” type of song - Shounen Brave is/was “Episode ?” - other episode ?s: Shinigami Record, Dead and Seek [Kenjirou, also Saeru], Ene’s Cyber Journey [Route XX Ene?] - other extra edition type songs: Toumei Answer [Ayano & Shintaro], Yuukei Yesterday [Haruka & Takane], Yobanashi Deceive [Kano]* is technically listed but isn’t included in the main/first Music Route, neither was Toumei Answer?, Ayano’s Theory of Happiness*, Otsukimi Recital* ..... .... because maybe they are “interfering with the Routes” type songs ?

BONUSES THE NTH (AGAIN): - we’re confirmed to [eventually] be getting an “Additional Memory” song [note that’s the title for the Saeru!Hibiya involved mini-arc in Manga Route] [even if it doesn’t center completely on Hibiya, well....]

a bit from ‘Additional Memory’ (I)? summary:

Ayano asked when the snake entered Hibiya’s body, to which he answered from the very start, long before he killed “Concealing Eyes” and met Ayano. He continued that this body was a “miss”. It was good that the boy who didn’t have any wish began to have a desire to “save the girl”, but it was a little bit immature. Regardless that the snake was a being that eats up “desire”, that wish causes him a sour stomach. “[LONG BEFORE HIBIYA (&SAERU)] [MET AYANO]”

^ “THE BOY WHO DIDN’T HAVE ANY WISH”

^ “A DESIRE” TO “SAVE THE GIRL”

^ ok but why the HECK would it be “IMMATURE” if Hibiya ALWAYS WANTED TO SAVE HIYORI FROM THE START and WHAT DOES SAERU MEAN “DIDN’T HAVE ANY WISH”

..... unless .....

... if SAVING HIYORI alone isn’t a strong enough wish ......

... and in the beginning of some routes SAVE HIYORI alone wasn’t his wish .....

what if it eventually [slowly] becomes [over time] “SAVE MOMO [TOO]”, “SAVE KONOHA [TOO]”, “SAVE EVERYONE [TOO]”

(some Saeru somewhere, probably: “oh, NOW his wish is strong enough”) (mangaverse New Form Saeru: [takes advantage of all of this])

a bit from ‘Additional Memory II’ summary:

Ayano questioned the snake: “You can’t do anything without using Hibiya-kun’s body right?.” Then suddenly, Hibiya regained his self consciousness, asking if Hiyori was alright!? He seemed very happy to see Hiyori. He was very worried that he could never meet her again… Then he was shocked to see the situation and tried to break out of Konoha’s hold. The snake used that chance to break out of the window, of course without forgetting to smirk at the kids: “Didn’t say I no one can stop this anymore?."

..... [later]

Hiyori finally reached their place, just to see Hibiya cry and say "I’m sorry” right before her eyes. http://fuyuyuu.tumblr.com/post/167573767600/

..... i’m done (sorry)

[fuckyeahkagepro]

Kagerou Project Analysis: Hibiya (& Hiyori) Encountering Momo Kisaragi Before “the Daze”

[ How, When, Where, & Why do Hibiya (& Hiyori) encounter Momo before the Kagerou Daze song happens ? ] [ also: The Daze itself. ]

( continued from here ! )

Friendly reminder the official order of the Routes / timelines goes, like so:

Music Route -> Manga Route -> Novels Route [as of 2014] and/or MCA Route MCA: ‘closest to the latter’ (but now we may have more Routes coming so .....)

Music Route: (keeping in mind what’s been recapped so far from previous posts!) - Momo Kisaragi hasn’t even been created at the time Kagerou Days was. - Kagerou Days happens. - Hibiya wakes up inside the Daze. - “What time is it now?” - Repeat (two verses/choruses/loops) - Third loop: - “Ah!” “Yume [dream]”? - Repeat final time; Hibiya switches ? the timelines. - Momo Kisaragi does not yet exist in the real world (our world). - Momo Kisaragi is later created / designed by Wannyanpuu. - Wannyanpuu: possibly contributed to inspirations for the storyline (especially re: Hiyori Asahina’s design / concept.) - Wannyanpuu’s Hibiya: has phone. (phone: has time) - Jin’s Hibiya, still: “what time is it now?” [ all Routes after ] [ Hibiya: /no phone ( until possibly novel 8′s end ) ] [ Hiyori: /has phone ] [ Ayano: doesn’t even bother mentioning ‘the phone’ ]

Manga Route: - Shintaro & Momo encounter Hibiya & Hiyori very very early on. - The entire course of the Routes changes almost immediately. - Hibiya: “the boy who doesn’t have a wish” [to “save the girl” (yet)] - Saeru - Hibiya & Hiyori don’t know about “The Park”

- The Park: the initial spot where the Kagerou Daze first begins / traps them.

- Momo: tells them about “The Park”. (MOMO NO) (MOMO STOP) - Hibiya & Hiyori: encounter truck. - Hibiya & Hiyori: dies / encounters Daze? - Hibiya (& Hiyori, but not shown until later on): revives (with Snakes ? ?? ) - Saeru (Snake of Clearing Eyes) forms in Hibiya sometime before - Hibiya meets (Manga Route) Ayano. - Hibiya meets Ayano at “The Park”, while trying to remember what happened to him & Hiyori. - Hibiya can’t recall everything that happened to him. - Hibiya notably glances towards the swingset [prominent in Wannyanpuu’s Kagerou Days and indirectly seen in MCA.] [Hibiya & Hiyori often sit there having heart-to-hearts before the Daze happens.] - Ayano: tells Hibiya about Azami’s past. - Saeru: [ possibly: hearing all of this. ] - Hibiya later winds up in the care of Momo & Shintaro as they all try to search for Hiyori. - In between, them all encountering various members of the Dan, Konoha (Hibiya encounters Konoha), etc. [ will come back to Konoha later ] - Saeru: possessed Hibiya at some point before meeting Ayano. - everything else: happens - Hiyori: [seemingly] has Focusing Eyes. - Hiyori: hasn’t had an “Otsukimi Recital” type solo encounter with Momo. - Hiyori: will probably fail no matter what she does. - it can only be Hibiya [ ?? ?? ? ] - Hibiya: “i’m sorry” - to Hiyori - Hibiya: dead. (no thanks Saeru) - Konoha: also dead, trying to save Hibiya. (again no thanks Saeru) - Saeru: duped everyone into thinking Hibiya had Focusing Eyes. - (ok but what if ..... Saeru’s still duping everyone .....) - - - - HOW WOULD (COULD?) HIBIYA REVIVE WITHOUT THE SNAKE OF FOCUSING EYES ??? - IS IT (HIM REVIVING) JUST BECAUSE OF SAERU ??? - IS IT BECAUSE OF ANYTHING ELSE ????? ??? - HOW LONG WAS MANGA ROUTE SAERU THERE FOR ??? - SAERU: “FROM THE VERY BEGINNING” - DIRECT QUOTE FROM SAERU - - - IS IT POSSIBLE FOR TWO SAERUS TO BE POSSESSING HIBIYA AT ONCE ????? - - Manga Route’s New Form Saeru (literally the most recent chapter as of the initial writing of this post):  “ Hello  ! ”

Novels Route: - Momo Kisaragi exists design-wise and “in real life”-wise (our world), but ..... - Hibiya & Hiyori do not encounter her before The Daze. - Hibiya & Hiyori wake up inside The Daze. - Hibiya has various monologues while inside The Daze, Hiyori does too (to Hibiya). - some monologues may be happening in alternative timelines / spoken to a different character (Hibiya -> Ayano in the Daze from here appears in MCA 04) (still curious about another one exactly [I’ll get back to later]). - Hibiya escapes The Daze / revives. [w/Focusing Eyes] - Hibiya meets Momo. - Otsukimi Recital: later happens. - Hibiya drops Momo’s “oba-san” (auntie/old hag etc.) and “Aun” cheeky rudeness from him. - Hibiya -> Momo: “Momo”. (no honorifics.) [ Momo & Hibiya have become closer ! ? Congratulations, “Momo” & Hibiya-kun! ] [ .... at the very, very least, he’s a bit more polite now. ] (... there’s some other fun things in between Hibiya meeting Momo and that) (I’ll come back to those in a later mini analysis!) MCA Route: - starts off very similar to Novels Route re: Hibi+Hiyo’s weirder dynamic. - Kisaragi Attention (Episode 02) happens - Kisaragi Attention in Music Route: Momo meeting Mekakushi Trio + Mary only. - ‘Kisaragi Attention’ here: Momo meeting Hibiya. only - (Momo would later meet MekaTrio+Mary in Mekakushi Code ep 03 instead.) - Hibiya: still calling her oba-san - Momo: let this kind onee-san show you the way! [or: I’M NOT OLD] [ ^ this: happens only once in all forms of the canon iirc. ] - Hibiya: NO WAY OBA-SAN -- - Momo: attracts the crowds with her Eyes. - Momo & Hibiya: “shit” - Momo & Hibiya: RUNS [cue Kisaragi Attention playing] - Hibiya: gets overrun by crowds in between, escapes - Momo: doesn’t get any chance to tell Hibiya about “THE PARK”. (... would she have?) - Momo: doesn’t get to even meet Hiyori, only Hibiya. - Momo: doesn’t even make it to the Department store she wanted to go to. ( more on that recurring theme later too ) - Momo: SIGHS - everything else: happens - (including Otsukimi Recital towards end of anime) [ MCA 04 ] (compare: this dumb old amv I made once) [i’m sorry] ( because screencapping everything would take way too long, ok ;; ) ( but it has most Daze scenes in it while trying to line them up with Wannyanpuu’s version thematic wise ) - Hibiya & Hiyori: [ inside the Daze. waking up ] - Hibiya: /NO PHONE (IN ANY OF THEM) - Hiyori: /has phone - Hibiya: [ probably thinking it’s like a “dream” / “yume?” ] - Repeat four or so Daze loops, getting progressively worse each time. - Hiyori in between: saying things Hibiya can’t hear while smiling / crying - Hiyori: (”i’m sorry”?) (”I love you”?) - possible - Hibiya: [ final loop happens ] - Hibiya: SCREW YOU CAT “Serves you right !!” - (Cat in Novels timeline: Kano interference.) (Cat anywhere else: ???? ??) - (Kano interference: by means of Saeru forcing him.) - Hibiya: SWITCHES THE TIMELINES. - Hibiya: receives the Snake of Focusing Eyes from the Daze and revives. - everything else: happens [ considering new Routes incoming ] [ MCA: also Reset ? (maybe / likely ) ]

BONUS (from Kisaragi Attention, Ep 02:

( ^ listen. I am not the one writing this series. It’s doing it on its own.) ( Friendly reminder: Hibiya & Momo - closer in age than not ) ( ok but seriously it’s more like Hibiya: just entering junior high school as of Mekakucity Talkers; with conflicting age in canon [still closer to his birthday during loops [August 15th]; Hibiya’s birthday: November 4th]. Momo: just leaving/left junior high school as of MCA, but also with conflicting age. taking supplementary classes; hasn’t yet taken re-do exams. - She SHOULD be closer to ‘15′ by this point of the timeline. - her birthday is literally right before the Japanese school year begins. February 14th -> April [school year begins] -> August 15th [loops / timelines] -> March [school year ends] - MCA Kenjirou too (I realized): “if you [Momo] fail these [supplementary classes] you’ll go back to being a first year [in high school]!” - Kenjirou / as Saeru: manipulating the entire freaking city. INCLUDING MOMO’S SCHOOL. INCLUDING MOMO (?) - loops: happening (probably?: screwing up even more timing re: conflicting ages) - ... friendly reminder Hibiya has another birthday only a few months after escaping loops. then he’s taking junior high school entrance exams ?. ) - Momo: still has to wait until her next birthday (February 14th) to age another year regardless. - closer than not ? - look I’m just saying - - anyway look I seriously doubt Jin would intend for a serious relationship at all at this stage ok at most it’s friendship / fluff / developing - even the anthologies imply this with older!HibiMomo comics / manga - Wannyanpuu and Sidu (Kagepro’s official artists) have contributed to various official anthologies too - Jin certainly approves of the materials or they wouldn’t be published - literally ..... - my opinion aside, literally. - this is mainly for analysis ok. i am not writing this series.

Anyway all that aside: - MCA screencap above:

HIBIYA SWITCHED HANDS WITH MOMO TO RUN IN FRONT OF HER.

[ MANGA ROUTE QUICK RECAP: ] Hiyori to Momo: “i’ll walk in front” Momo to Hiyori: “wow” “it’s like you’re always protecting me .....”

“ There is no such thing as coincidence in this world, there is only Hitsuzen [the inevitable]. ” ( ^ oh hi CLAMP, Cardcaptor Sakura & Tsubasa’s Clow Reed & Yuuko Ichihara ) ( JIN, WANNYANPUU, SIDU, ETC. PLANNED ALL OF THIS. ) ( or at least most of this ) ( storyboarding wise ) ( where even is all of this going ?! )

[ ..... ok a short MCA summary follows ]

( ^ loop 1. NO PHONE. only clock [right; top] ) (still) (”what time is it now?” - KageDaze official song lyrics, Hibiya’s POV)

( ^ oh hi swings ) (looking very ominous with Daze colors imagery.) ( friendly reminder: even if the animation was weird in many ... many parts of MCA ) ( literally all of this is still storyboarded. )

( ^ waking up. loop 2 / in between loops)

( ^ NO PHONE [only clock] )

( ^ oh hi “The Park” Momo tells them about. ) [ she tells in Manga Route only that is ] ( looking ... even more extremely ominous ) ( Hibiya’s awareness ... growing ..... ) ( among other thematic parallels: sky, wires, birds, stop signs, blood, etc. ) ( adding poles, etc. ) ( birds / crows: also in Wannyanpuu’s music video [inside the clocks] )

( ^ [silently saying something] ) (^ “I’m sorry” / “I love you” ?) (note her tears.)

( ^ red red red sky ) ( ^ Hibiya waking up, frantically looking around [as if to check it was a dream])

( ^ RUNNING ) ( ^ NO PHONE [only clock] )

( [silently speaking] ) ( “ I’m sorry ” ? etc.) (tears flying.)

( ^ final loop ) ( ^ OH NO ) ( ^ waking up. )

( ^ Hibiya: “.......” )

( ^ clock ) ( but still not phone ) ( that he still wants in some Routes )

( ^ no phone ) ( Hibiya: closes door slowly. )

( ^ SWINGS / THE PARK ) ( shit )

( ^ TIMELINE SWITCH ) ( this time it’s me not you - Hibiya probably )

( ^ “SCREW YOU CAT!!!” ) I mean ( “Serves you right!” ) (lit: “look at your own failure / how much of a failure you are” “look at your pitiful self after failing so hard” etc. [to Cat]) alternatively: “take that!” “look at the state of things” etc. etc.

MCA Hibiya: dead MCA Hibiya: receives the Snake of Focusing Eyes and revives MCA everything else: happens Manga Route 2: happens New Form Saeru even after like 6+ YEARS OF THIS: happens

( JIN )

[ ... also: re Honorifics and progressions of ] ( basically it’s like : last names: can be more polite; first names without knowing: rude last or first names used intentionally rudely: rude last names with -san: very polite; formal; etc. first names with -san: more polite than not with -san etc. last names with -kun, -chan, etc.: a bit more informal, but still some politeness ? -san in general: polite, distance; -kun, -chan, etc: more friendly/informal -kun: often for boys (but can also be used for younger girls, such as underclassmen / etc.) -chan: often for girls (but can also be used for younger boys, kids, as a cutesy honorific; etc.) progression to first names, no honorifics: typically means - becoming closer; can be rude if not ) ( it’s kind of hard to explain um ..... ) ( if you’ve ever watched the Digimon Adventures series ? ) [ oh hi another of my main fandoms since long before Kagepro ] ( ... I don’t know how many of you have, but this is a very good example video ) ( if you watch it, note how they progress from last names -> first names ! ) (literally they go through like 5-10 honorifics changes) ( also: rudeness [in between] -> familiarity/closeness ) (note: Hibiya also calls Hiyori by her first name and first name only.) (initially: can be rude. Hibiya is often cheeky/rude. Hiyori even notes this in Manga Route - [he’s from the countryside so he doesn’t have / know manners] etc.) (after: _____ ? ?? ) ( also [Digimon spoilers below]: the canon pairing at the end of 02 [Sorato; Yamato x Sora] also becomes canon through honorifics changing and progression all throughout the first and second series. It was a real surprise to most of the Western / American fanbase at the time because literally all of this gets lost in translation [and very bad, fully Americanized dubs]. ) People there to this day still tend to be confused by it because of things consistently lost in translation and their lack of initial interactions otherwise. [ there are multiple honorifics issues within Kagepro in general too. ] [ literally there’s a reason why they’re used as plot points multiple times ] ( ..... don’t say I didn’t warn you. )