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WARNING:  Do not give Baddoctordatabase@tumblr.com much weight in your choice to see a listed doctor for your family care, or to hospitals seeking to hire a listed doctor. The site is a blog/gossip column, little more, as it intentionally omits the legal outcomes of innocence of many doctors unfortunate to be accused of anything, posting only random case follow-up. Our site lists only a fragment of the innocent, excellent doctors wrongly posted to Eric Andrist’s blog of revenge in effort to pump up his numbers in an attempt to self promote as a patient advocate. Andrist is a self advocate for attention, using his sites to cyber-bully doctors and those with intellectual disabilities

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Upon overview of the over two thousand physicians currently posted by The Patient Safety League (led by Eric Andrist) 4patientsafety.org website, we discovered too many physicians who were falsely accused remain posted on this websites. Seems TPSL learned nothing from the takedown of their blog. Despite multiple requests Eric Andrist (TPSL board member)refuses to remove posts...maintaining that everyone on the TPSL website, and it's other online entities, is guilty in the eyes of the public claiming just not enough evidence was found. Seems TPSL IS the self appointed PUBLIC VOICE serving as judge and jury of any physician unfortunate enough to be accused of or charged with anything of public interest (that makes the news). TPSL is NOW of PUBLIC INTEREST.

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Eric L Andrist-the man behind the curtain of baddoctordatabase, bad medicine database on fb, 4Patientsafety and The Patient Safety League

What follows is an exchange with Eric L Andrist (photo bust attached to this site), the man who runs the baddoctordatabase@tumblr.com blog where he re-posts articles about doctors accused of wrongdoing, often adding his own spin to the posts. In the exchange below we removed the doctors name and identifying information as the focus is Who is Eric Andrist? and the defamatory false exposure of Innocent doctors are posted on his sites.

Us: Charges were dismissed against Dr X and his medical license is active and unlimited. Dr X was and remains innocent of the charge.

Andrist: I already posted the newer articles. However, dismissal of charges does NOT necessarily equate to rendering someone "innocent." The article clearly says:

"In an unusual move, Circuit Judge X sealed the probable cause affidavit and case information at the request of Judicial District Prosecuting Attorney X the day before Dr X was taken into custody.

The Order to Seal Affidavit and Information document indicates the record was sealed on the grounds that if released to the public, it could compromise an ongoing investigation. In addition, the release of said information is sensitive, and it is necessary to withhold this information for a short time to ensure the investigations are not impaired."

So clearly there is an ongoing investigation.

Us: Your integrity is appreciated. The citation you post above are from reporters of Online & Bulletin articles of X date. Clearly from that date further 'ongoing' investigations transpired that the State dropped charges and reinstated Dr X's medical license 'in full without restriction'. Those two current legal actions verify 'Innocence' in that surely you are not suggesting that the State would permit the doctor to resume practice otherwise. You posted Dr X to your various social media Bad Doctor related sites solely on the basis of 'the Charge against him' yet 'the Charge against him' has been dismissed..and you now refuse to take down your negative posts. That decision defeats the otherwise good intention of your site. Since the ruling no further investigation of Dr X exists. IF you are suggesting that other persons are part of a current ongoing investigation, that has no relevancy to Dr X. Please reconsider and remove.

Thank you for posting the Online Dismissal article provided to you.

Andrist: Actually, they don't. That's not how the law works. Dropping charges does not equate to innocence. It just means there was not enough evidence to proceed with the charges. The state constantly lets doctors practice when they've done something wrong! We monitor the California Medical Board heavily. We have 3 doctors currently on the Sex Offenders Registry who are practicing with clear records!

My decision to keep up the information does NOT defeat the purpose of my site because he has not been proven innocent...they just gave up proving him guilty.

If you have documentation PROVING innocence, by all means send them to me and I'll post them. But again, dismissing charges does not mean he's innocent. There's a big difference.

In court, even a "not guilty" verdict by a jury does not equate to "innocent" As we saw in the OJ Simpson case, he was found not guilty by a jury, when he was clearly guilty, and later found guilty in a civil trial.

Us: I am trying hard to understand. I get what you are saying about other cases, but am only informed about the case of Dr X. Your website states "'Innocent' until proven guilty", the 'one' charge against Dr X was dismissed, not by the Judge, not by Statute of Limitations, but by the State Prosecutor..resulting in Dr X having no charges against him. He cannot be proven 'guilty' when there is no charge against him..nor any further investigation of him. Therefore based upon your site claims, Dr X is innocent...supporting removing your posts on social media. To take any action otherwise contradicts your website virtue of Innocent Until Proven Guilty...and becomes Guilty Until Proven Innocent. Our legal system is not perfect, but it is based solely upon that same legal system that your website exists.

Andrist: You don't seem to understand what "dismissed" means. Why do you think it relates to innocence? If someone murders their spouse and they get arrested just because they were there at the time, but later the charges are dropped because they simply couldn't find more evidence linking them to the murder, does that mean to you that the person is innocent and didn't kill someone?

Innocent until proven guilty is a phrase that only has meaning in a court of law. In the real world, not so much. People judge people guilty all the time. It's on my website as a disclaimer, not as my own personal belief. I don't put information in my blog personally, I only link to stories that other reporters have already written. The stories about Dr X are other people's words, not mine. It's there for informational purposes.

In the eyes of the "law," he is considered innocent until proven guilty. But in real life, that's not the case. We as people are not bound by the laws of the court to read the facts and make a judgment based on them.

IF he is guilty, don't you think his patients have a right to know the details of this story?

What is your relationship to him?

Us: I understand both 'dismissed' and 'innocence' in both lay terms and legal terms. I also understand human nature as it relates to judging/harming others on an emotional platform. Additionally I saw that your sites were merely re-posting articles written by others. The dialogue between you and I could go on exchanging philosophical views but cutting to the chase..what evidence do you accept to prove 'innocence' of anyone posted to your baddoctor related websites?

Andrist: First, who are you and why are you asking for this? Why isn't the doctor asking me?

Us: No story here, just trying to understand how, as the site manager, to work with you to remove the post and would appreciate your guidance on what is required. Please advise.

Andrist: Well, I won't continue the conversation until I know who you are and your motives. I've been contacted by companies before who did this same thing who were paid by the doctor to clean the internet. They gave me all kinds of lies trying to get me to take a post down including bribe money. They told me the doctor was proven innocent. Then I checked with the DA's office and it was all lies. So if you want to continue the conversation, come clean.

Us: I can't be held accountable for what others do. As you can attest, I have done nothing but provide you with updated Source data (articles, legal docs) to support a reasonable request. You claim you have 'no relationship' with the folks that submit to your sites, accordingly it is illogical to require otherwise of me. My request of what constitutes 'Proof of Innocence' to you is straight forward. Without knowing your requirements, the tasks is unreachable...as from a legal platform I have already provided you adequate documentation to satisfy my request.

Andrist: Sure it is. It's my blog, I can do what I want with it. I need to know where information comes from and if it's from a person, the motives for it. You could be lying for all I know. And no, you have not provided me anything to satisfy your request. You seem to think that a dismissal equates to innocence.

If he did the things he's accused of, why should his patients not have access to the information so they can decide for themselves? Why would you want to take that away from them?

Us: With all due respect, I ask again, what would satisfy you to establish Proof of Innocence? or is your site unamenable to ever removing a post?

Andrist: Sorry, I'm done talking if you're not going to tell me who you are.

Have the doctor contact me himself.

Us: I am sorry also. You could have simply told me that you never remove anyone once you make a post.

Andrist: Why would I say that if it's not true. I've taken a doctor down when he was able to convince me of his innocence. You've convinced me of nothing except being a busy body.

Us: Name calling, really? If what you now say was true, you would easily provide your site requirements to prove innocence. There would be no motivation not to produce the requirements, yet you refuse.

Andrist: What's wrong with name calling if it fits? I don't have to provide anything. I'm a patient safety advocate, my allegiance is to the public not the bad doctors. You're asking me for a favor, I gave you the requirements for me to proceed, and you've chosen not to. You'r choice. I've refused nothing...you just don't want to play.

Us: You are partially right, this is not a game. Your site while it does serve a great public good when the doctor is 'guilty', it is negligent to have no clear protocol for the wrongly accused to clear their name, given the harm your site causes the innocent..who are 'also' part of the public you say you serve. For that portion of the posts, the innocent, however small it may be, your website does a great injustice. But that does not matter to you, it's all about the game and power. Sad.

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Andrist reply when called out as a bully by putting his biased spin of 'guilt of all' to any doctor on his various websites

Andrist:

Your words, not mine. I merely post articles written by other people...I make no judgments myself. And just because you say something isn't true, doesn't make it so.

And you're posting FALSE information saying my information is false! Take Dr. Adam Alterman. You say the Alabama Medical Board has no disciplinary information on him. That's not true. You just don't know how to find it apparently. Here's a link, to the disciplinary document on the Alabama Medical Board website.

https://abme.igovsolution.com/ABMEDOCS/2017/11/b522dab7db884e28b0f4ee591d6cb9d31162017.pdf

baddoctordatabases-errors:

YOU don't know how to find it. You have old news. IF you actually did your due diligence and looked at the updates you would see the doctor is in good standing with an Unrestricted license to practice up for renewal 12/31/19. STOP pointing fingers...YOU'RE INFORMATION IS WRONG!!

You do much much more than just re-post articles written by other people. You spin the articles and censor the public to make all look guilty. You belittle people that challenge you, you hurt the innocent..You ARE the bully that bullied you growing up..except you are worse. You fully know how it is to be victimized, unable to fight back. You destroy people just because you can..by ruining their careers by association with your website you concurrently ruin their lives.

Andrist:

It's not my job to sit 24/7 looking for updates. If people want to send me updates, I'm happing to post them when I have the time. The information is not "wrong" just because you disagree with it. I don't "spin" anything because I don't write anything. On the contrary, your drama queen reaction to all this is "spin."

baddoctordatabases-errors:

I pointed out that your information is old, and newer information corrects the prior case errors. The updated legal discovery corrected that old incorrect news you post regardless how you obtained it. By your negligence to update you intentionally suggest to the reader that your final post is the latest news. 'Yes' you 'do spin, and 'yes you do write' in you only commentary. Try reading what you write, pure bullying. Your juvenile reply suggests you may just be ignorant to your actions.

Correction: 'Yes' you 'do spin, and 'yes you do write' in the comments of your re-post to your facebook bad medicine database where you spin the site, and censor out others if you fail to have a snarky demeaning comeback to their challenge of your effort. You also use the allegations of 'drama queen' excessively..

Andrist:

No, that's you just making up scenarios in your mind because you're not getting your way. You need therapy. People only resort to name-calling when they have nothing else constructive to say.

If the term fits, I use it. Excessively if necessary.

Don't contact me again.