#betty and simons fucked up dynamic acknowledged

[hauntedol]

the new fionna and cakes eps are so good im gonna lose it

[egot1stical]

okay been a few days: finale thoughts.

first: i liked it. it wasn’t BAD. it was mid but it wasn’t Bad. I think my ranking of 6.7/10 is still pretty accurate lol. I enjoyed it. But now I complain

Pacing was crazy. I don’t know why we spent like, half of Simon’s runtime 1000 years in the future. And then the other half of Fionna’s world (which I cared a lot less about) was focused on like. 3 separate scarab fight scenes LOL.

Casper and Nova are fun concepts, but they’re not really. Accurate? They’re so heavy handed with their message of “petrigrof is unhealthy” that they kind of just. Get the dynamic wrong on how. Which is weird. Especially after we just had a whole Simon and Betty episode. It kind of paints Simon as some pushy guy responsible for all the hardships in the relationship. Like, uh, Simon wasn’t making all the choices in the relationship, guys? His problem was pretty much the opposite; he didn’t *make* any solid choices. Betty was the one that did whatever. Jerry literally establishes that Betty was incredibly impulsive about love and such. They’re still unhealthy; there’s still the thing where Betty ended up living her life around Simon because of the curse. But like. I don’t know why they portrayed Simon like that.

Also, they don’t even acknowledge in their heavy handedness that they’re literally like, doomed in every universe. That’s what this series has been building up to right? Simon doesn’t find the crown? They die in the mushroom war. The star universe plays out. Ooo is wiped out at the hands of vampires and they eventually starve too. But then they show Simon getting on the bus with Betty as The Right Thing To Do which is kind of crazy.

Missed opportunities for the whole show: Having F&C cast and AT cast interact aside from Simon. Simon and Ice King interaction. More Simon and Betty interaction. Crying Simon. Using the decade long animation error of Simon having white eyes before the crown as a plot device rather than just pretending it was on purpose (like what they did with the second crown in Crossover.) SIMON. AND. MARCY. INTERACTION. WHY SET IT UP IF YOURE NOT GONNA KNOCK IT DOWN. IT WASNT EVEN IN THE FUCKING MONTA

I did like the rest of it though.

The Simon and Betty moments were good, just wish they were more substantial. And just. More. The no regrets scene was really good. Also, seeing Fionna and Simon's friendship. They're really cute.

I'm a little mixed on Fionna's world becoming magical, but I feel like it works because it's just Slightly. She still learned to appreciate her life as is, but Cake gets to be herself - Especially important when you see the connections between Cake and Simon. (Cake robbed of her mind due to the lack of magic, desperately trying to find a way to get it back or communicate.)

I feel that it should've been way more emotional though. The closest we got was the "too much" scene, which I REALLY liked, but I kind of find it hard to believe Simon "I don't want to move on" Petrikov just Got Better after seeing his fiancée die and then being told that everything was his fault. But yeah, I wish we had More closure on like, his Panic Attacks or depression. He also just kind of. Learns his life matters out of nowhere. Like, good for him, but boy where did you get that from. Tell me in words. Also he should’ve thrown up upon seeing Golbetty (half joke, but more reaction please.)

I’m glad he's moving house though. I’m alright with this as an ending. (And even better with it as a season ending.) But also, get that man away from the bar.

[petr1kov]

This is definitely my sad copium, but I just wanted to share it:

What if Betty didn’t intend to make Simon have the takeaway that he should’ve given more to the relationship. (Because their dynamic wasn’t shown to be fucking like that. And when it did, it A: was only for that one instance at the bus that one time, and even then, it wouldn’t have made sense for him to spontaneously go with her, and B: Was out of his control and she went against Simon’s direct wishes)

She just wanted to make him realize that putting the crown on would be a mistake. And that him going ”I should’ve made supported you, the same way you supported me 🥺” was just his characteristic guilt complex and established faulty memory. (“The Enchiridion can wait” Bitch, you already found it!!!) And remember: Betty never directly confronted Simon about his apparent “selfishness”

And maybe Betty doesn’t correct him because she knows Simon very well and thinks that his guilt could be the sufficient motivator for him to keep living. Kind of like in a “She sacrificed so much for me so I owe it to her to keep living my life” away

I realize that sounds insane, but personally I don’t think too ooc for them too be fucking weird like that.

Remember at the end Broke his Crown, Betty was like, “I knew it would mess you up but at least you wouldn’t stop thinking about me.” You’d think it’s just MMS-talking, but no, Simon reacts in a way that implies this isn’t out of line to what she would normally say. “Oh, Betty, I never could [smooch]” Weirdos!!!

You could still keep the whole “He didn’t realize the she kept sacrificing herself for him” because he doesn’t think he’s somebody worth sacrificing, especially not from someone like Betty. I’d just write it in a way that he forgot he also sacrificed a lot for her too. Because it’s in line with his character. Like, it was a mutual give and take, and Simon was made to realize Betty’s a means to stop him from putting on the crown.

That’s my copium, sorry it was longer and less coherent than expected 😭

tbh i think your interpretation lines up pretty well with canon! pretty much the only thing that we explicitly got out of golbetty on the finale was just the fact that she didn't regret making any of her choices, even if she acknowledges that she could've made better ones. i don't think she blames simon's actions (or inaction) for how their relationship turned out at all, and i don't think that's what she wanted him to take away from it, not even from the casper and nova story. she really just wanted him to move on and live a happy life, even if apart from her. that was just her way to try and give them some closure over what happened, i think