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As funny as the trolley problem and the suffering builds character memes are (and I do love them), I personally think it ascribes a belief to Miguel he doesn’t explicitly hold in the text.
“Bad things are gonna happen; it makes us who we are.“ is a line that belongs to Peter B. Miguel doesn’t even approach the idea to Miles of this model justifying the suffering it perpetuates, even if it’s an understandable byproduct because of what this model asks you to swallow, what it asks you to concede.
Why would he claim that suffering builds character? The one time he believes he defied fate, it backhanded him so hard he’s still reeling from the trauma, and it took at least 8 billion lives as collateral including Gabriella. What did that suffering teach him but a despairing submission to fate?
To Miguel’s understanding of what happened, there’s not even a trolley problem. It’s “you accept the terms fate deals you, or it will destroy everyone - including those you wanted to save - regardless”. His perspective is far more aligned to utilitarianism and fearing that massive human cost happening again, more than it is morally justifying why the canon operates as it does.
#atsv#miguel o’hara#tunes talks spiderverse#that man is in the terminal despair vortex guys#the very fact Miguel doesn’t question why his understanding of the canon operates as it does#serves to doublebind him back into his sunk cost fallacy thinking#he can’t turn back because it would make the costs worthless. and to question the canon would be to invoke what happened to him when he#tried to defy fate#<- all of this is to his mind I mean#the actual details areeeeeee complicated and don’t make complete sense. but I understand WHY he ignores those inconsistencies#because incredible recent trauma (within the past couple MONTHS) and to examine would be to make the sacrifices meaningless#not trying to dunk on Peter either. it’s just lots of different people trying to make sense of what they believe is a terrible but#necessary sacrifice to save the universe.
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the results are in


#the numbers are WAY TOO LOW espECIALLY TEMMY SOLO but i remembered#it's because half the time i'm listening to my ripped cds of the songs that AREN'T/WEREN'T ON STREAMING!!!!!!!!!! so double those numbres#but also a good reminder to bring back doublebind posting
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newsflash: if you walk into an appointment too informed you will be accused of playing 'dr. google' and then no one will take you seriously anyway
When I say that the medical system is failing me, your response shouldn't be "Google your symptoms" or "Only you can help yourself" because neither of those things are remotely helpful. Instead, treat those failed with by the system with empathy and get fucking mad over the injustice.
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the problem with internet politics (that is very clearly shown with how people reacted to the whole situation with the houthis) is that the prevailing belief is the opposite of bad is good, there's no such thing as a good or easy route in politics, you have bad guys and you have bad guys, you swap one oppressive force for another and that's the consistent chain throughout history, especially in an industrialized and globalized society we are now firmly in the geopolitical doublebind, you can't help one group without harming another, you can't stop one issue without causing i second, when war settles the only thing left is the ingredients for more war
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Note to Self #10
I'm the abusive one (or we both are) and learning that avoidance can be an abuse tactic is very difficult to realize.
I want to protect myself from danger.
What feels like danger?
Verbal jabs, eyerolls, jokes at my expense, dismissal, "this is for me, not for you", being treated differently than his other romantic relationship, doublebinds where no way is a good way to connect with him, not having my emotional needs met because they're his aversions, getting a taste of fond interaction before met with a week of silent treatment.
I want to take his power away before he victimizes me.
I don't talk. Don't share emotion. Don't express my needs. Don't share what's important to me.
I'll get dismissed. I'll get made fun of. Scoffed at. Yelled at. Fought with. Shut out. I'll share information just so it can be used against me later, much later, when I've forgotten about it.
What's "used against me" look like?
I've said something in confidence, and later that's used to justify a new behavior, a new expectation, a new insecurity, a new conflict. A new conflict that I don't want and never asked for. Shame? I interpret shame from it?
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Abuse is taking power away from someone else. It's a power dynamic. Withholding information steals power from people.
That's abusive.
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How do I survive abuse without becoming abusive myself?
Without giving them vulnerable information to manipulate? How?
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Morning In Normandy by andrilucas https://flic.kr/p/2ma9aau
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I like painting, sketching, drawing, since Iam child. Sitting on my room floor, drawing with crayons, some kind of spiral, round shape. A childhood memory. first meditative, feeling of presence, full awareness of the situation, being present. A form of the #innerpeace. I guess, I was with some kind of eclipse, catch22, #doublebind. Don’t know if the words describing it. I just painted with crayons, on white paper this round loops/ circle forms. Following a inner intuition command a ‚ Claus Winkler ‚, ( take/ deduct it/ follow Signal/ command/ wink/ Suggestion/ Recommendation/ hint/ #Wink/ Appell/ = #Group/ connectiveness/ lair/ belonging/ we/ us/ rational/ logic/ #thorough. Iam remembering roundshapes, elipses. Seeing what i just painted/ drawed, I was under the Art effect/ impact from what I just did. So it made me with myself, brought me in to presence. A ‚ Claus Winkler ‚ effect. Like being born. Elipse/ round shape = vulva, Inside/ outside. My art my being describes/ is the thorough nonjudgemental bridge/ healing/ rational perspective on the #mhcomplex, ( #Madonnawhorecomplex). The #Germanword for ‚ thorough ‚ is ‚ Sachlichkeit ‚. #Thorough/ #Sachlichkeit, in psychology is the healthy feeling/ perspective on the ‚ we ‚ the ‚ us ‚. That would explain although my intrinsic interest, observation for female psychology. My #childhood/ youth observations, conclusions how women are, the lgbtq behavior from all people. ( all including the non Lgbtq people). My name, the meanings conotations are representing, saying everything people need to know about human behavior, in its basic, raw form, naturalistic expression. In politics, lying, words/ deeds, loyalty, deceiving, male/ female mating strategies, archaic behavior. It suggests/ empowers left soya neo-marxists to f-up society with you go girl blanc slate theory society cuckolding female sub-responsibility being emotional one day flys. It suggests the right people being on the purpose present strong fathers being alpha logic. #SEAK #ClausWinkler #SEAKClausWinkler #Lettering #throwups #Stylewriting #Buchstaben #abstract #ego #Contemporaryart #Artadvisor #redpill #Practicalfemalepsychology #art #kunst (hier: Natural History Museum, London) https://www.instagram.com/p/ChrVfNVIoaH/?igshid=NGJjMDIxMWI=
#innerpeace#doublebind#wink#group#thorough#mhcomplex#madonnawhorecomplex#germanword#sachlichkeit#childhood#seak#clauswinkler#seakclauswinkler#lettering#throwups#stylewriting#buchstaben#abstract#ego#contemporaryart#artadvisor#redpill#practicalfemalepsychology#art#kunst
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scorpio, leo, gemini
I love scorpios (4 of my good friends are scorpios), leos aren’t bad but they’re pretty prideful (and with all the aries in my chart so am I which doesn’t make arguments go easily lol) & lastly I love gemini’s I think they generally have a comical / unique vibe to them… I’d say yes to date but I think we’d be really similar whether that’s for better or worse LOL
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i don't personally agree with the perspective that "miguel NEEDS to partially correct about canon events, otherwise he's a villain" because like. setting aside the issue of possibly naturalising the irl choices writers made (e.g. fridging gwen) through the concept of 'canon events', to me defining miguel's morality comes down to two questions:
What is Miguel's intent when pursuing his goal? <- it's unambigiously heroic. he desires to save people. and -
Can I plausibly understand how he has come to the belief system (and therefore goal) he has? Yes. I can understand why, when viewing the things he did (universal patterns of suffering between spidermen & the trauma of that dimension collapse), he came to the conclusion he did.
Keep in mind the other bits of information we and the characters are working with are:
Anomalies seem to affect the world they're in (Vulture appears to affect the Guggenheim's structure w glitches)
They're also in danger of dying if they don't have a stabaliser like the watch
But say for the sake of argument Miguel is completely wrong about breaking canon and doing so would not endanger anyone and the alt dimension collapsed for reasons utterly out of Miguel's knowledge or control. That still doesn't negate the heroic intent he operated by nor his desire to save people.
What "How much or little is Miguel correct?" affects is how tragic it makes Miguel's guilt and the moral concessions he feels that guilt about. Whether you would argue for it being needlessly tragic or bleak is another conversation entirely but how correct he is about what damage canon events cause doesn't actually change the fact he operated on sincerely good and heroic intentions.. And I think atsv already sets up that last point in an understandable manner.
#long post#tunes talks spiderverse#she came. she never shut up about miguel. she posted fdshfkshdfjsd#the reason i outline the knowledge of what seems to be the unquestionable consequences of anomalies in alt worlds#is so you can understand why miguel occum razor's miles changing canon as the reason theres a black hole under pav's world#we've already been shown it's possible for anomalies to affect the stability of a world (this seems to be a quiet change from itsv) and#spot firing up a baby collider and using his powers didnt open up a black hole under 1610 new york (as far as we know)#so if youre already predisposed to believing fucking w canon will cause harm i can understand WHY even if i think hes not correct#miguel and spider society assumes miles' action causes that unravelling. ESP when taken in conjunction w miguel believing his own world#jumping caused an unravelling and he applies that same fearful reasoning to whats happening here#i dont think hes correct but i understand WHY he came to conclusion he did esp when u keep in mind the kind of doublebind#miguel is IN already when it comes to being terrified hes got it wrong all over again but also being terrified of the stakes HE LITERALLY#THINKS HE EXPERIENCED (and he DID experience that trauma. even if it turns out it happened for a reason that wasnt his fault or even#related to him being in that dimension at all)
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This has to be mental illness
#i’ve had the same account since 2014 .#but that’s true we’re overdue for more REAL DOUBLEBIND HOURS
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#fierce #doublebind #beyourself #rightnow #icommandyou (at Córdoba, Argentina) https://www.instagram.com/p/CLZTFGVn1sn/?igshid=2h06kl5rpl4j
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this gloominess is stressing me so much that I don’t feel like waking up anymore...
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El Trovador Maduro Robusto. #cigar #madeindominicanrepublic🇩🇴 #doublebinder #nicaraguanlongfillers🇳🇮 @pdrcigars #0dark30 https://www.instagram.com/p/Cp7Hrf3OpA4/?igshid=NGJjMDIxMWI=
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