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when people think anakin wouldnt have turned to the dark side if qui-gon trained him im just ?????
YOU THINK THAT WOULD HAVE STOPPED PALPATINE???
i mean qui-gon took anakin to be trained cause he thinks anakin is the chosen one or this is at least a major reason why and like??? PALPATINE WOULD HAVE JUST PIVOTED LIKE
"it's such a shame my boy that the council and even your master only see you as the chosen one and not your own person"
"i hope that they trust you as a jedi and not just part of a prophecy"
"i fear that qui gon only wants you as the chosen one and if you weren't, you would never have left tatooine"
LIKE PALPATINE WOULD HAVE DONE THAT! HE ENGINEERED A WHOLE WAR JUST TO TAKE POWER AND QUI-GON BECOMING ANAKIN'S MASTER WOULD HAVE DESTROYED PALPATINE'S PLANS???
idk just gets on my nerves and feels like a slight against obi-wan who yeah wasn't perfect and the circumstances for becoming anakin's master weren't ideal but i think he was a great master and this idea also makes palpatine seem far less manipulative, cunning, and evil
the man once said he would gladly make vader again given the chance, even knowing how it would eventually end, so he's not stopping just because anakin has a different master
#sheev palpatine#emperor palpatine#anakin skywalker#qui gon jinn#star wars#just gets on my nerves#sorry to everybody who has watched me like anakin turn to the dark side#the dark side is becoming obsessed with star wars#i have not been this obsessed with something or a character my god i love anakin but yeah not since voltron#so that's saying a lot#also from what i know about the jedi apprentice series and extended universe legends stuff about qui gon#dude does not have the best track record with padawans#he is very unorthodox and yes does not end up like the rest of the order in that like vein of being an arm of the senate or you know#being so involved in politics even tho they're peacekeepers and a religious order basically#but i think the whole chosen one thing would be much more present and constant in anakin's life#with anakin being fed both like#the in canon youre super powerful omg such a great jedi#thing from palpatine but also yeah oh they probably dont like you or trust you which is canon too except for you're their chosen one#youd probably still be a slave oops sorry but yeah you probably would be#and anakin is mentally ill enough already that palpatine taking a slightly different approach wouldn't really change much#same results different method#now... the obikin fic ideas i can come up with with qui gon being anakin's master and how all that happens#now those are fascinating
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Apparently in the disney EU there are no Jedi Service Corps. While their legends depiction was suspect making every single initiate grow up to be a master diplomat and warrior, (die, or leave the order entirely) doesn't really seem like an improvement to me. Thoughts?
The Service Corps are a VERY thorny piece of Legends; both super interesting and grossly underutilized. I’m not surprised Disney cut it because it does present a sticky spot.
It answers a very good question of what to do with the “leftover” Sensitives. Maybe they got injured in the line of duty and can’t really fight anymore. Maybe they just have no capability to swing a saber. Maybe they were found at the ripe old age of ten and past the cutoff. Maybe they found someone with a high Sensitivity and some cognitive impairment. Whatever. There are going to be people who are just not cut out to swing a saber, but still want to serve the galaxy in some way. It also keeps them more or less safe and monitored by the Jedi so they aren’t exploited or dabbling in Sith artifacts.
In theory, the Corps is a really good option. In real life, a Knight needed anywhere from 300 to 1000 people to support the workings of his manor, make his armor and weapons, breed and care for his horses, make tools, grow food, etc. The Jedi, having access to droid labor, probably don’t need THAT high of numbers, but we’re still talking a lot of working class people needed to keep their organization running; administration services to handle the mail, droid and equipment maintenance, growing their food, medical techs because these dudes see a lot of combat, etc. And if you weren’t suited for the Knight, then maybe you could be a damn good blacksmith or healer.
In practice? Oof. The way it seems to be handled is treating it as a punishment, a place to send the fuckups and failures, a stigma that hangs around for life. You can be the best botanist in Agricorps, and some punk ass Padawan is still going to look down their nose and call you a failure. The official memos call you “valuable contributors,” in the same way official memos from Corporate call the minimum wage staff “valued team members” with the corresponding amount of respect. Maybe guys like Yoda would actually respect the Corps and their work, and it’s more likely that the working class of the galaxy would see and benefit from the Corps and not really the Jedi (who were serving the galactic elite)
The Order “adopted” you, tried to train you for one job, and if you can’t do that job, or there are no available Masters to train you, they toss you out on your ass or into the ranks of the Corps with nothing more than a garbage bag for your stuff. (Obi-Wan and Mical got this treatment). So much for happy, fluffy family.
And then we get to Telos. Again, probably overthinking it because of the Onasi boys, and why Revan was the only Sith smart enough to see a potential gold mine with these “failed” Sensitives. But there was a key part of Kreia’s description of the planet that stuck with me and it possibly the most terrifying part. Her wording was that initiates who failed their training were sent to Telos to “seed” the planet with “farmers and laborers.” She’s always very precise with her word choices, so that suck out, and brought to mind a very UGLY possibility. Force Sensitivity runs in families, but Jedi are not able to have acknowledged offspring. And if the Corps “peasantry” are not subject to the “no attachment rule” (I mean, they have a colony to build), it would make a chilling amount of sense that the grain and meat aren’t the only thing being grown and harvested on Telos, given that the KOTOR era was not a shining time for Jedi ethics...
(And yes, if you want to go there, that adds so much more UGLY to Carth and Bastila sniping at one another in KOTOR)
Now, given all that luggage, I’m not surprised Disney does not want to go there. Their labor track record is not great in real life, and the classism implications would not be something they’d want near shiny space fantasy.
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Clone Wars Episode 10
Lair of Grievous
An interesting episode title
For sure
[Quote]
Most powerful is he who controls his own power
I really Like This Quote
Being a fan of ... accountability
Notably
“Vice Gunroy
Escapes,”
Ahhhhh
I mean?
The Episode Before Was (Marginally) Better ....
To It’s Pre de cessor
Why do I Get The Feeling This Is Gonna Be A Long Run..?
Any way
That’s Going
Only that one Guy
No... -Body Else
Uhm
Kit Fisto
What?!
Okay
Guess
His design Looks Neat
And No Ahsoka! (The Bad Parts.)
“Gun-”
“And Return Him Just-”
Ena bling! Where he’ll be put in a cell with other inmates that don’t deserve that
And a distraction from reckoning with the consequences of his actions
(And the hope of getting out)
“ I know we’re in the middle of nowhere,”
I like this guy
He sounds cool
Has a personality
(An over involved one?”
But generally good
This might help my nerves after last episode
Very chill
Nice
- Oh spoke too soon
So has your old Padawan Dolved
???
Seriously, does everyone keep track of everyone else’s Padawan
Obi-Wan, it made sense because he’s an over involved dick
But, seriously
Shouldn’t that be left To Yoda as the grand high Jedi?
He is the guy that okay’s these requests, right?
It’ll be great to see Nadar again
Dude, he’s busy
“ i’ll transmit the coordinates for the ren dez vous point,”
Hey they got Ahsoka right!
Maybe this episode won’t be a headache
(Also they just casually help him stalk his apprentice?
Like, that should be his choice
Like yeah two heads are better than one but that doesn’t mean he agrees to be a two- headed dragon
Dick move
And- It’s Gone (to be fair, it’s only slightly too much Tone Than Ne cess ary
“Yet,”
No
“Good hunting”
NO!
Well.... It’s Over,
Okay....
Nice backgrounds,
This is a really neat land
Oh, now they’re landing
Oh, cool
Fog -gy
Neat
Po -or Be -epy Ro -bot
He can’t see any -thing
“you’ll be fine R6,”
You have legs
Not pleas ed
Hav ing A Good Time
“Nadar,”
*Bows*
Dear frick who invited him here?
Like, Dude
Even if the Gen shares the same inspiration as you, you still have to obey by the rules of tox
Aka you don’t get to be a dick just because it’s a differ ent gen
You get kicked to the accoun -t- ability curve, just as well
Walk Ing into Some’s bus -i ness un warrant ed And un -ask- ed For Is Tox
And then, to follow it up, with hey you did well on the test we make you take!”
To prove we can’t assume authority over you
[Jedi master ship I believe]
I’m surprised dude doesn’t say ‘yeah your stupid club sucks,”
“ i’m sorry the war pre -vented me from seeing your train ing through to the end”]
wait dude’s Mentor bitched out and he still had to take the test?!
Murder is now on the table!*
Note; this is a joke
I never advocate death over account ability
But, geez Dude got screwed over
You were missed master
How old is he?
I’m going with adult-
Knight Ok he has enthusiasm
We’re all good!
Then let’s have a look
Allow me to show the way
Trans lation; Stop ass um ing
au tho rity
Good for him
Pretty pow.
Also yeah just casually found
“Charming,”
That’s a back -handed compliment
Like calling something “quaint”
Dude if you’re going to be on this Quest, Be Nice,
Look after the ships
Oh those poor guys
What happens to them?
[Also ships?]
Okay
So, Sith mon astery
No Guards
It’s a Sith mon as tery surrounded by fog
Clearly they were going for stealth
[And it Is pretty re mote]
The ent rance looks sealed
Yeah It’s Old
Possibly -came in the back entrance
And hoped no one wou ld suspect
[We specialize in ma king entrances]
Should n’t Dude (Jedi) Know That
Their, Jedi
Also yeah the place clearly built for stealth
Let’s bomb open the front door
Not like they could sneak out a back way
This will make less noise
Thank you common sense
But, It will still allow them a lot of time To Es cape
Like;
This why staking out is important
Patience the both of you
THE NERVE!
Dude he got here First!
You wanna help?
Be back up!
“ A second look usually pays off,”
On hand, yes- scouting ahead is good
On the other-
DICK way of put ting it
You want to explore?
Do it your self
You just assu med author ity over a wh- ole group of people
Stopping them from doing their thing
[I’m fully expec -ting him to snap at five
Like he’s being pretty enab- ling
But Dude’s being a prick
[pla -ying by the rule of “But,” Inst ead Of “Or,” Or “And,”
During their re latively func -tional mission
[dude never said he couldn’t blow up the mon astery
Just stated the fact and went about his biz
A nice factor
“What’s this,”
A stone
Bull -shit
Whelp
Smug Ass
You smell that?
Arro gance?
[let him get caught in a trap]
“ smells like droids,”
Metal Does -
It’s too dark to see anything
There’s white bulbs
Also [Forgot to mention], Chek Ov’s Gun?
[For the Gun]
Whelp
They Have Lights
[Also, Dark side shadowing]
Whelp
Hey at least there’s not as much point
Whelp
[I sense there’s something here]
Yeah?!
Was that not the whole point?
Whelp,
A rusted out old factory
Whelp
Poss- Ibly
Watch- Ing
“Ssh,”
You sure about that?
Whelp
“Well that was some thing,”
Jedi, you gonna do anything about that?
Whelp
Dude Taking point
Aga -in
Whelp
Ordering someone else’s troops
[I seriously hope that comes to bite him in the ass]
Roger Roger
Crud it’s the moon clones!
No, just droids up the stairs
Neat
They don’t see that?
Whelp
Vice Roy
What’s going on
They robots; they’re already designed to protect you
Also; BAIT!
The Jedi are here
Trap!
Also they’re walking �� side-by-side Nice
That’s totally someone else I call it
“ I know they’re near,”
Voice recording?
Whelp
They’re right behind you
What, where do something?
Def -initely a diff -erent per -son
Whelp
Taking longer than expect (ing)
“ Have you ever killed a Jedi?”
These guys have time for this
When fighting to fully trained adult Jedi
BS
Those basic clankers
There the basic mooks that gets mowed down in the hundreds
Bs
Good Commentary
Bad timing
Oh now it speeds up
Good for them
They were loo -king pretty lame
Whelp
Stop playing with them!
Republic Dogs
Restraint
Shut the fuck up
It took hours
Because
“restr aint,”
Against
Mach inery
“ i’m sorry master,”
Don’t apologize
He’s being a prick
Like even by my stan- dards
[ignor- ing the war]
He turned a fun exercise again st machinery boring
By micro managing every one
-carried Away
This -dick
Those that have power should restrain themselves from using it
Against machines?
Dude....
I stick pretty closely to one moral code
And there was nothing even remotely reprehensible
About That Deal
Yeah, if they were sentient
But, they act just like normal robots Running on prot ocol Alone
Giv ing no hint to sen tience
Your complaint literally comes down
To chopping them into one or more pieces
That’s extremely overcontrolling and overbearing
Not to mention to reprimand someone....
Dick Move
That’s the point
Least it had dark ened lighting
“Lieuten ant,”
Called it
Also way to go dip shits
You left a com that can be traced back to your exact location
Whelp
Okay...
The tracking beacon
Yeah
They knew we were coming
And didn’t send a trap
Instead sene a thing that can be traced back to the location
Should’ve known Gunnery wasn’t here
No, you should’ve exercised caution
Well at least he isn’t blaming-
Screaming
Yes he would’ve
That was the first tip off
Also; clones?
I apologize for the deception
Bull shit
I apologize for my colleagues
-What?
Dude
Seriously
How easy are you trying to make it for them to find you?
Count Dooku
Why Dude?
Oh Wait enablers
Guess this is their tea sess
Okay hit us with that snark
....
Light Roast
He honestly seems so sad
What
This has got to be a trap
No shit
“Catch Some One,”
No not the vibe I got
Also there’s the clone
Wondered where he went
“To Catch,”
Whelp
Wow
What?!
Well
Looks like someone likes creepy statues
(I know there’s likely some deep lore)
Shrine
Dude this whole place looks like a monastery/castle?
You’re just figuring out This might be some ancient something or another
It’s on a foggy planet, Huge, Em-bedding And desolute
It basically screams basic cult
“Warrior,”
I was going with barbarian, but that works
Whelp
Weird
Juices
Nope Metal
Grievous Cult
This is the lair of General Grievous
Are you sure it’s not a cult?
Like I don’t know
But I wouldn’t keep Reminders of how I was brutally dismembered Around
IDK
Maybe I’m just not that extra
Whelp Dear Frick
Back to the thing
Also yeah don’t leave
Get Rein force ments
(I know I roast Plo about this all the time)
But A few more Jedi Might be useful Against a guy With multiple hands
(Or at least tell them Your Lo cation, What a quick summary)
So they know what they’re getting into if you disappear under “mysterious circumstances,”
Oh, plane
Oh, Grievous
Looks like he’s doing good for himself
Seems happy
Never mind
Guess where ignoring that thing
With The Comms
Stale mate
He honestly looks sad
You have lost your focus
I mean so far he hasn’t won shit
I’m honestly surprised he got it this far
Especially considering you’re the negative overinvolvement side
Sidious demands more dramatic results
“ can’t believe I came back to working here,”
More dead Jedi
Did he kill a bitch?
(I would say good for him but death< Acco untability-)
You expect victory over Jedi
Is battle Droids
It does require a brain
And a willingness to escalate
Oof
Seriously, Just leave
Whelp
These must be trophies
Jedi he’s murdered
Isn’t the str- the Ed- braid! Thing only for Padawan’s Like, you don’t seem to have one
So yeah Grievous probably killed a lot of children
There are so many
Maybe don’t send children to fight your battles
Why Would Dooku want to set a trap for his best general
Minion disposing Tea?
Also, why are you playing into it?
Like, fair enough, don’t turn down free Intel
But, you could set a trap and be doing other things
Like hunting down Vice Roy it doesn’t make sense
“Are we the bait or is grie -vous the -bait,”
Good question
Definitely grievous though
He was clearly offered up as a distraction From Vice Roy
We must consider who the trap is for
Grievous
You’re supposed to take him out
Your droid is track ing an in coming ship
Here we go
Match es the descrip tion
Keep out of sight
Whoa whoa hold up
Why are they calling and answering to you
These are Raden’s troopers
Dude has literally hijacked his whole life
Dude just kick him
Like fourth time but ,seriously;
Capturing him could turn the tide of the war
They’re literally handing him to you on a silver platter
Dude - needs a break
If he doesn’t know we’re here
Instantly down to do Dooku’s Dirty Work
“We need a plan,”
That’s what he just said
Whelp
That’s neat
Cool
Mood lighting works
Guards
Does he even know what happened?
Or did Sidious/Dooku set up this elaborate trap while he was out
And he’s just coming home like;
Why is the place so heckin trashed
Whelp
Dick
Dude didn’t sign up for this
Welcome home general
Half willing to give it to you
Whelp
*Oh*
Cough ing
Don’t let him cut the line
Whelp
Heck
He’s Trying
“ Don’t make me destroy you,”
If they try to foreshadow that ear lier
No Bad
Ter rible
Whelp
Seriously did they just reattach his legs??
Also, They really did not bring anything else to capture him with
Besides cables
To Grab
And nothing to tie him up with
How did they think this was going to go?
Argh
Just got slap stick ed
Haha
“Pack him up” ?
Whelp
Dude they are just knocked out
Whelp
Neat
Walking a little funny
Whelp
The clones get in the way
No you didn’t bring anything to restrain him with
“Taken him,”
Dude he just said “taken”
Not like he said “killed”
The most objectionable thing he said in that was blaming the clones for his failure
And clearly that isn’t your issue
Narrowing of the eyes was a good reaction
(Pretty sure the darkness is Him putting unwonton pressure and guilt tripping (Gas lighting)
He’s just too much of a coward to say anything because he can be held accountable At the fifth thing
Let’s tend to the wounded
Good job reflect ing mate
Whelp
Docter where are you?
Don’t be upset with me master
Geez
Dude does need a break
Even his own lair is toxic
Conversation
Rrgh
Look
Aww
Spare parts
Off
Body guards
Remotely deactivated for a re-charge
Oh so they weren’t killed
Gosh dude came back to A bunch of droids laying dead on the ground Like;
“These.. aren’t. mine,”
Dude is having a tough day
Argh
Not good
Good
Lock down the Perimeter
Good for him
Whelp
Looks, Better
Whelp
Watching
Yeah, those guys are dead from grievous
He wacked them with metal claws
Those guys don’t have a single piercing mark on them
Nor dented helmet
Not ready to take on grievous
No one is
Dude has robotic arms
It’s time we retreated
Make sure to bring something to restrain him next time
Whelp
Grievous isn’t doing anything
Good for him
“ You are not going anywhere,”
Well, he tried
He WAS just given An ultimatum from his boss
Gotta stop caring about those things
“ Guess we’ll have to fight after all,”
Or blow open the door
Or sizzle it open with your light sticks
Lots of options
Bring scout
Aight
Whelp those guys are dead
Also how did they even find them?
Okay, that one makes sense because he was parked literally 5 feet from the base
Fair Game
Get out of there R6
Good for him
Whelp
That one guy...
Whelp...
Yet
Good for him
Of
R6
You told him to leave
Dick
You surprise attack him
Call hypocrite, fair fight
Aaw, he’s nice
Fair
Whelp
Shit
Straight to the point
Doom Man -sion
Here we come
Whelp
Dude with the force can’t lift one guy
Well
General
Dude one trap and you’re ready to call it quits
Lame
We’ve seen the lower levels of your home
No you haven’t
You were on ground level
And you only just saw anything below that now
“ we’re not impressed,”
Dude speak for yourself
Also, fun
Good way to heal
“Good, Good, Jedi,”
This should be entertaining
- way to heal-
“You shall provide sport for me,”
Like; That
Whelp
Good time to entertain our guests
He’s a good host
Whelp
Dude has a dinosaur
And bots
Dude level spiked for a moment
Hmm
Nice
Oof
That sounds painful
Armor Patches
“Contrary to your belief I have other things to do,”
Good for him
He rans a med channel
“ go see to it my repair,”
Implaments (?)
*Impale Ments
There may be some discomfort
But I’m pretty sure he was already uncomfortable
Argh
No sedatives
Off
Weak link
Whelp
Surprised his pistol did anything
Like seriously even the swords would take a few whacks
There we go stabbing it with a sword
Your knight instinct
Whelp
And that clown just became the damsel
Whelp
Whelp
Fail
Guess he’s dead
Or broke something
Splat noises are kind of humorous
So it could just be a broken nose
Great
Whelp
Instinct
Grievous is going to pay for this
Dude he made a humorous “Splat” sound
“Splat” is not a death sound
It is a broken nose sound
“Destroy him,”
I understand your pain
No, this is the time to take the kid away from the bad situation
(Or actually give him the don’t kill things talk)
That’s the better option
(Since he is still an adult and can make his decision)
“ but you forget your teachings Nadar,”
Not like that
That is how you get hit in the face
But in this war strength prevails
He literally does have a point
You two survived because of “superior genetics”
You’ve literally been hustling him since day one
And revenge is fine in terms of accountability
If someone stabs you, You’re allowed to stab him back
Abusers? Get their abuse back
Specifically in Murder
The dead isn’t alive to take revenge
And while he is right that accountability is better
That murder doesn’t equal murder
Because of the belief That all (human) Sentient life Inherently makes the world better By the possibility of them contributing good
Which is why I advocate accountability
The way dude is handling it is shitty
Firstly; all those present to the body are considered enablers, if they enable murder
And everyone who sees the body has to be on high alert
And accountability on sight
Because if you five rules A Murder -er...
Point being dude should. shut the fuck up and help him find this dude
The rules have changed
Yes, yes they have
“ perhaps you are the one that has changed,”
Shut up toxic
Dick
Enabling selfish dick
“ come now,”
He realized he fucked up
“ We need to move now,”
There’s no saving that
Whelp
Skipped past that
Looks better
“Gor,”
He named it
Oh
Where are they
Yeah wait what happened with the doors?
“Gor...”
Aww He sounds so sad
Argh
Oof
That pissed him off
Incoming message from Count Dooku
Oh, Good
The Jedi have infiltrated your Lair
Damn
He really didn’t tell the man about anything
Your recent defeats at their hands
Wow, Dude can Literally not get a break
You just called him five minutes ago
Fuck you
He looks so Tired
And Done
“Reassess your effectiveness,”
Oh that’s bound to piss him off
That you actively did that
I’m expecting a face Heel turn
“You”
There we go
“ you deactivated my Guards,”
Oh....
[I assumed he just forgot]
“ You let the Jedi in,”
No actually they found a magic brick
Unless Count Dooku just so happen to press the button at the same time
Which if so nice
Makes dude’s overconfidence even sweeter
“ so you would testing me,”
Dick
And he’s starting to look It
Oops
He’s pissed now
Like I know this is culminating in a fight scene
But I would just love if just walked downstairs. And was like yes I will go with you
Out of Spite
“ i’ll play your little game,”
In your condition you need your rest
I will rest when the Jedi are dead
Oh so that’s how they capture him
Maybe after he kills the young one
Sentry
Those robots do nothing
Whelp
Control Room
He’s Done
Oh, what do we have here?
Oh, this is what he does?
Master the Jedi are about to enter the control room
Snarky little shit
“Nadar, get inside,”
Yeah, No
Ahh
Nadar
Cutting out the abuser
Whelp
Absolutely can kick ass
Surprised no one who understands accountability
“Greetings young Jedi,”
Greetings Boomer
“How Ex citing,”
Neat
And Meta
Defeat us all
You’re one person but I accept the understanding
Get him Master
Oh he gets to see his apprentice die on the big screen
Wait, where is the other Jedi
Where-
Oh no
Self-awareness
Oww
But that wouldn’t kill a determined
Whelp he accepted death
“No,”
Yep, he’d rather die than live in the world you made
Enabler
(Technically; Both of you)
Welp I will kill you all
Do you hear me Jedi
Do you hear me
Fair game
Enablers kill enablers
No one wins
“ R6 is that you?”
How?!
Meet me at the south landing platform
I’m coming for you next Fisto
Whelp, i’ll be gone by the time you get here
Dick
Whelp
R6, I’m at the platform
Going somewhere
How?!
But also OK
Whelp
Hmm
Fan Technique should actually help in the fog
Whelp
Pawn In Dooku’s game
That power will only consume you
Like you
Flaunting it
Right now
Unless his battery gives out...
Whelp
Ok
Cheating
How quickly power can switch hands
Whelp Enabled
Expect ed
Accom plishment
So there’s room improvement
Oof
“His heart was in the right place,”
Not accountability
“ to answer power with power It’s not the Jedi way,”
HAHAHaHa
What’s the title of this again?
Star WARS The Clone WARS
It takes two to tango
Feckin hypocrites
In this WAR
HAHAha
“ A danger there Is,”
I feel bad for the voice actor that had to say that with a straight face
Nailed it perfectly well
“Oof losing who we are,”
Oh, that scene
Chills.
Oh
I REALLY liked this episode
It was funny self-aware and even had some good moments with the villains
Also
They killed a motherfucking dragon
*Named Gore
* excuse language
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