#ffxvi dlc spoiler

[aesadraws]

Final Fantasy XVI as Memes Saved On My Phone

Ft. bonus meme below the cut {MAJOR SPOILERS for the Rising Tide DLC below!}

[aethersflood]

FINAL FANTASY XVI - THE RISING TIDE DLC TRAILER

[ffxiii-et-al]

I want to compliment Joshua Rosfield on his faith in Dion Lesage.

They haven't met since they were 9 years old. But this man is 100% sure that, not only will he not kill him or Jote, but he'll listen to his story and help him.

House Lesage is responsible not only for the fall of Joshua's house (triggered by Phoenix Gate), but also his father's death, Clive's enslavement, and the continued mistreatment of Rosaria.

But still, this man walks into a camp full of soldiers, makes his way quietly into Dion's tent, uninvited, and stands prim and proper with his hands behind his back even when Sir Terrance draws his weapon, he does not budge.

And his faith is absolutely spot on. Dion, though weary and hostile at first, did not allow Terrance to harm them, and listened to his tale.

All the while, Joshua refers to him as "your highness" and bows to him because Joshua has no kingdom left and has lost his rank (assuming they were equal 20 years ago). But at this point, Joshua is content to be viewed as a "commoner", or even one of his subjects. But Dion doesn't accept that either, he immediately knows that he is a dominant of noble blood and treats him as an equal.

And last, but not least, Joshua has kept his existence a secret from everyone. And the only person that he reveals himself to, besides Clive and Jill, is the son of the man who would be most interested in killing him, if not trying to enslave him for Sanbreque's cause. And instead, Dion joins him.

Like, damn, Joshua. I do not know what happened at that Rememberance Ceremony, but you were right on the money with that leap of faith.

[torgawl]

torgal's thoughts about cid... i'm going to cry

[hopefully-helpful-daemon]

*Spoilers for the ff16 DLC, and the game in general*

So I just finished the dlc and I can't get over how Clive and Jill practically had to drag Joshua away from that damn tower! His little scholar brain wanted to go back in that thing that was literally just trying its damn best to kill them!

I love him❤

[meteorstricken]

A Casual Indictment of Clive Rosfield

Thinking about how Clive swore to kill the one who killed his brother.

Thinking about how he told Cid that once he'd done so, "whatever happens, happens", and how Cid then chided him for being a slave to fate.

Thinking about how, according to the Ultimania, Clive made Joshua the core of his spiritual identity...and how he began training to be his Shield since the tender age of 6.

Thinking about how, when fighting Ultima in the end, he did so as Joshua's Shield, and nearly every exchange he had with Ultima was drawn from Joshua's last words. But when the fight was done...his high idealism of humanity seemed to fade. Because it wasn't his own. It was Joshua's.

...Thinking that the "Logos" presence that Ultima picked up on in the Interdimensional Rift and in Origin was not Clive--it was Joshua. Joshua, who'd picked up the power of creation. Joshua "with my light in your heart" Rosfield, who occupied Clive's being so much that Ultima could not. (In short, Joshua benevolently "stole" Mythos out from under Ultima.)

...Coming to the conclusion that Clive ultimately did fulfill his original vow, coming full circle: To kill the one who killed his brother, and then let whatever happened next, happen.

Which means...if we agree with Cid's perspective, Clive was not free. He did not fight for himself, nor against his fate. He did not try to save himself after Joshua was gone, even when so many others wanted him to. (Irony of ironies, Clive committed what was one of Ultima's chief sins according to his brother: He refused, in the end, to honor the faith and will others had for him to return, even those he most treasured.)

If one person makes their relationship and duty to another person their whole identity, can that person truly be free willed, on a spiritual scale?

No...I don't think they can be.

Free will (I think) demands some sense of inherent worth, independent selfhood/ personhood--a sense of identity that allows for the value of others' input, but does not require them to validate or qualify it.

Whether he triumphs or fails; whether he lives or dies, I would very much like to see Clive fight for himself--to find out who or what he is to himself when not defined by his role or duty to another person.

[dwarvenwarden]

The Surge // FFXVI The Rising Tide DLC

[acalyphaaa]

[mothonice0]

Me: watches a random movie scene

My brain: How can I make this about Joshua?

He definitely needs a DLC, a 20 hours something DLC because we’re 🤡 ing in this house

[zaziecurie]

Not saying that the ending should drastically change (no Golden Ending where everybody unambiguously lives), but surely I'm not the only one who thinks that the final battle with Ultima should have been different due to the events of The Rising Tide DLC.

(spoilers below)

Clive has Leviathan. Has a bonus essence from Ultima himself. Ultima, in theory as this is never explored, should be able to use water/Leviathan's powers now that the Eikon is free once more. Both should have an even more fierce battle, considering Clive is now a (almost?) true equal to Ultima as a god-like being.

....and yet everything is still exactly the same?

It's just so disappointing in my opinion.

[nyaawn]

*side-eyeing that new FFXVI trailer super hard* ....So that ‘this new DLC won’t change the ending’ comment is bullshit, right?

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiighhhhtt.....?

(in other hand, hey they use the Awakening trailer song! That song lives! Glory to Soken!)

[fallenrazziel]

Tribute to the Phoenix

Joshua knows his physical weaknesses, he has been sick since childhood, and overprotected by everyone because of his status. We understand that he suffered from it and that he wanted to be as strong as his brother. I think he has become much stronger than Clive. Despite his deplorable state of health, his slowly dying body, he continued to push forward and fight, constantly spurning the attentions of others. He would have kept going even while dragging himself on his knees, and that's what he literally did. Because in truth, Joshua is strong ; very strong. He is life, death and rebirth. He perfectly embodies the Phoenix. He seems the most fragile of the Eikons, but he survives against all odds. It still survives in Clive. His flame, that of life, will never go out, and that's also what Clive fights for.

Joshua went through it all, he was a naïve, innocent child, and became a knowledgeable, responsible adult in the blink of an eye from the player's (and Clive's) perspective. Even if he kept many features of his youth ! He deserved to be happy, but he accepted to suffer and die. It's the most spectacular character evolution in FFXVI. No FF character moved me as much as him.

Joshua got an 18-year reprieve and used it to save the world and protect his brother. It is a privilege, for Clive and for the player, to have spent this short time with him. I love every second that Joshua is in the team ; I played the game again three times in a row just for this happiness, and I would do it again. This stirs so many things in me… I am happy that the two brothers were allowed to see each other again, even for such a short time, before the end.

Sorry, Clive, but your little brother has outdone you. For me, he is THE hero of FFXVI. I love this little boy so much Y__Y

PS > I played all Final Fantasy. I was 14 the first time I played FFVII. I only missed the first two FF. Today, at 41, I can solemnly announce that FFXVI is my favorite FF. Because of Joshua ; because of Clive. Because of emotions. Because of the voices. The staging. Music. I feel the passion and sincerity of the creators in every aspect of this game. I will remember all of this until I die. Thanks Square-Enix.

[thedarkone121]

I am watching the Boss Fight of Leviathan in the Rising Tide DLC and I must say this…

THE MAD LADS DID IT! THEY GOT THROUGH THE MAELSTROM/BLINDING INDIGO INCORPORATED INTO ORCHESTRA MUSIC!!!

[firebirdxvi]

16 ~ Famiel

[r-yui]

FFXVI Leviathan lores and theories about the potential dominant I've collected and speculated so far. Might update if there's anything new in PAX. Enjoy!

[gummysungshine]

~ Famiel ~

Square plz You need to stop making so many attractive guys in this damn game! It's detrimental to my sanity. (blurred the tomes info coz DLC spoilers)