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H. Moser & Cie. Streamliner Perpetual Calendar Concept Smoked Salmon

Four hands in the centre, a big date and a power reserve indicator, all displayed on the extraordinary Smoked Salmon dial. Presenting H. Moser & Cie.‘s latest creation: the Streamliner Perpetual Calendar Concept Smoked Salmon. This is a supremely pared-down model, devoid of boring sub-dials, indexes or logos. Simple in appearance yet utterly ingenious, it focuses exclusively on the essentials.…

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H. Moser & Cie’s “Endeavour Centre Seconds Genesis”

(Or: 01100111 01100101 01101110 01100101 01110011 01101001 01110011)

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Designed to offer an unparalleled visual and mechanical experience, the Streamliner Tourbillon Skeleton features a stunning minimalist aesthetic and perfect symmetry. One of the most striking features of this model is its transparency. 

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H. Moser & Cie. Releases New Streamliner Centre Seconds in Matrix Green & Purple Haze

H. Moser & Cie has recently introduced new models to their Streamliner Centre Seconds collection, showcasing various vivid colors and innovative design elements. This exciting release promises to deliver a captivating blend of sophistication and cutting-edge technology. Explore the fascinating New Streamliner Centre Seconds by H. Moser & Cie for more details.

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The H. Moser & Cie Cylindrical Tourbillon Skeleton Alpine is off to the races

The H. Moser & Cie Cylindrical Tourbillon Skeleton Alpine is off to the races

You know us – we like hearing about a new design from the crew over at H. Moser & Cie. The past few years have been all about collabs between brands, and now Moser is getting in the ring. In a thrilling collaboration between H. Moser & Cie. and Alpine Motorsports, the Streamliner Cylindrical Tourbillon Skeleton Alpine Limited Edition emerges as a testament to precision engineering and bold…

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Watches| H. Moser & Cie. Debut New Streamliner Tourbillon Skeleton at Watches & Wonders

Debuting at Watches & Wonders Geneva is horologist brand H. Moser & Cie with an outstanding new time teller, updating the brands stunning catalog. Signature notes of symmetry, minimalism, and detail, H. Moser & Cie presents their Streamliner Tourbillon Skeleton. On full display, the Streamliner Tourbillon Skeleton places the mechanics and technical touches on view with the transparent design.…

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Here’s another now-deleted watch forum post, made by me in July 2022. The watch above is an H. Moser Venturer Red Gold and Vantablack. Note too that after posting it someone made a good case that the referenced Wristwatch Revival video is clickbait and the tag line “Even Rolex Refused to Fix it” is almost certainly not correct.

Brand Disloyalty

Something that I find interesting about watch collecting and watch enthusiasm is a certain talk about heritage that often feels more like a version of brand loyalty than anything else. I get that when purchasing something expensive it makes sense to consider whether or not a company will exist in the future, especially with regard to the length of the warranty. But as we saw in that recent Wristwatch Revival video, beyond a certain timeframe these companies will feel no obligation to support the owner of a watch. Loyalty tends to go only one way and it’s a marketing scheme. There is nothing wrong with liking what a brand happens to be doing at the moment. This is how I feel about Timex and Oris, but there are parts of both of their histories where they produced watches that are of no interest to me. And if their design, builds, pricing, policies, etc. change to something I dislike, my attention to them will come to an end. These are businesses and I don’t owe them anything. I also don’t feel the need to root for them either.

This is also why I’m particularly fond of the few brands that don’t feel compelled to put their name on their dials. Why do I need to advertise the brand of the watch company that I gave money too?

Somewhat related to the above is the argument that certain watch brands own old designs and should be the only ones that benefit from them. Sure, patents exist, but they also expire, and if another company can produce a design that is no longer patented for significantly less and/or with some different look or approach, then I don’t feel we need to be loyal to the owner of the now-lapsed patent. The public domain is important. What a brand did decades ago doesn’t necessarily mean anything about what they are doing today. 

These thoughts might make more sense when considering that I’m also not really into professional sports teams either. I love sports and enjoy watching a good game (mostly fútbol), but I find serious commitment to a local professional team baffling. I’m more inclined to root for the team that is playing better or more beautifully or intelligently (not including loophole exploitation). I also feel no commitment to teams, which nearly always (in the US, at least) have private owners who falsely promise a positive impact to the local economy to sucker municipalities into funding their stadiums. Even worse is when owners move the team from one city to another. I lived in LA during the glory years without NFL teams. I was there when the Rams departed to St. Louis (they are back in LA again now lol) and the Raiders returned to Oakland (now they are in Las Vegas lol). I guess we did have a professional football team still in the Trojans, but they were tied to the university, not the city. Blah blah blah.

What does it mean to be a fan of the Rams? What does it mean to be a fan of the American brand Hamilton? What does it mean to be a fan of Smiths now? And what about brands owned by massive conglomerates? Or brands with new owners or new leaders? Etc.

Anyways, real loyalty goes both ways, and I find nothing of the sort in business whether in sports, watches, or otherwise.

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Here are some of the comments I made on the post in response to comments by other forum members:

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Yes, that talk of family, and to a great extent even community, within a workplace is very similar and coercive.

I’ll be a repeat customer in the same way as you – good experience and satisfaction with a product – but will drop a brand as soon as that changes. I might even go back to a brand I’ve left if something has clearly changed for the better.

I don’t recall ever having you in class? ;)

Now that you speak of nomadic youth, my nomadic adulthood might explain my confusion about sports fandom to some extent. And now that I think about it a bit more, I can be a fan of fans, my favorite being my experience with the La 12 (Boca Juniors fans) at La Bombonera and in other stadiums around the greater Buenos Aires area. It’s all about their energy and their songs.

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Thanks for the great “ramble”! I too remember the treatment I have received both in the lack of need to look for assistance and the assistance that I have received when things don’t go well. As I noted in my reply to [redacted], going with what I know and have been happy with (or avoiding what I know to be bad) makes a lot of sense when I don’t have time to think more about something.

I’ll admit that I don’t have experience with watch ownership (or any other luxury ownership) and thus with watches as a store of value. But I imagine that I too would be grateful for resale value in tough times. 

That is an H. Moser in the photo, one of the Vanta Black models. One of the things I love about that brand is their irreverence, but I also know I will never own an H. Moser given the prices they go for, so maybe I don’t really understand. Maybe a better example would have been Serica, which I love, in part, because they so minimally include their name at the very bottom of their dials. From what I understand, that was in response to feedback that they received after their first trial model, the W.W.W.

I totally agree with what you say about the discreet signifiers that come in the form of materials, shape, etc. Maybe that is even more snobby than wearing a name brand, and if so, then maybe I am a snob. :)

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PS: Regarding the value of Rolex watches, did you happen to see the article on “The Historic Value of Rolex Watches” and this chart from it?

I really enjoyed everything about that article (particularly that specific graph that answers a question I had been wondering about, though I would also like a line for the Upper 1% Income and the Upper 0.1% income) and it contains a passage that really resonates so much with me and that might also explain the perspective that I am coming from:

I enjoy simply looking at watches, test-wearing one from time to time... I don't need to own every single piece I like. You also don't need to hang every painting you see in a museum into your living room. In the same way you don't have to put every watch you see on Instagram into your watch box. As in another sentiment: There is the right partner for you, so there also will be the right watch for all of us. And the good news is that this seems to have been true for at least the last 50 years. Let's embrace that!

As I have noted elsewhere on [redacted] a few times, I get immense pleasure from reading and learning about watches and assembling a digital collection (just images downloaded from the web and not NFTs! LOL) of thousands of watches that I appreciate for one reason or another. I don’t think I would get nearly as much pleasure from collecting them beyond a few watches (I still have just the one). That comes from one of the parts of my upbringing that I have held onto tightly (unlike a lot of other parts of my upbringing that I have discarded), a sort of frugality and practicality that makes me averse to most luxury products and averse to accumulation. I know the rush that comes from making a purchase, but I also know how quickly it fades for me. I am nearly certain that with each additional watch purchase beyond a very few, the satisfaction that would come from owning it would diminish. So, rather than chasing them I will learn about them and leave the chasing to those who find greater pleasure than me in the chase.

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Oh, fascinating! Thanks for pointing that out [about the unreliable nature of the Wristwatch Revival title]. I really wonder how that refusal story came about. Maybe it had more to do about offering to replace more parts (instead of just service and repair) than the owner wanted?

The part in the second video where you talk about getting the equivalent of a new vintage watch through servicing and parts replacement is something that I hadn’t though about. Rolex of Theseus!

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The Endeavour Centre Seconds Genesis Timepiece Is A Key To H. Moser’s Metaverse

Now, that's a very cool sapphire crystal! And yes, it can still tell time.

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H. Moser & Cie. Streamliner Tourbillon Wyoming Jade

Reflections of pure elegance, subtle shades, delicate radiance: H. Moser & Cie. has reinvented the natural jade dial. Dressed in red gold, the Streamliner Tourbillon Wyoming Jade model celebrates this decorative stone in style, as the embodiment of refined sophistication, understated modernity and timeless elegance. With no logo and just three indices, the dial offers an unobstructed view of the…

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H. Moser & Cie. presents a reduced version of its beautiful Pioneer Tourbillon, now with a diameter of 40 mm, against 42.8 of the previous model, and an arctic blue fumé dial. The steel case, water resistant up to 120 meters, houses the HMC 804 automatic movement, double-hairspring flying tourbillon and 3 days of power reserve. 💰 49,900 Swiss Francs . A H. Moser & Cie. apresenta uma versão reduzida de seu belíssimo Pioneer Tourbillon, agora com diâmetro de 40 mm, contra 42,8 do modelo anterior, e um mostrador fumê azul ártico. A caixa em aço, resistente à água até 120 metros, abriga o movimento automático HMC 804, turbilhão volante com dupla espiral e 3 dias de reserva de marcha. 💰 49.900 Francos Suíços 📷 @moserwatches • • #moser #moserwatches #hmoserandcie #pioneer #moserpioneer #tourbillon #independentwatchmaking #finewatchmaking #hautehorlogerie #relogioserelogios https://www.instagram.com/p/Cp2clr9u7Qi/?igshid=NGJjMDIxMWI=

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CONSIDERATIONS OF A BLACK WATCH PT 1

Navigating the details on modern black watch materials, coatings and finishes can be a confusing undertaking. Ambiguous science with misleading figures all contribute to the marketing nonsense that spews from our beloved and often hyperbolic industry. Many manufacturers will offer black variants in their collections because black is cool and has been since the 14th century! As many of you know black is my go-to and has been since 2012 (after giving up the madness that is premium denim so thick you can't bend your knees!). This was also the time Schofield was thinking about the Blacklamp, which was named for many reasons one of which is a play on lamp black, a black pigment made by collecting the fine soot from the inside of an incandescent lamp. Black means a surface that absorbs visible light and does not reflect it. Ultimately it will have an albedo of 0 (fully reflecting surfaces have an albedo of 1). In 2008 researchers at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute created the blackest material ever - reflecting just 0.1% of light from carbon nanotubes stood on end. By comparison black paint reflects 5-10%. Since that time the same team have improved the coating to reflect only 0.03%. Vantablack developed by Surrey Nanosystems is at 0.045%. Both outfits argue theirs is the blackest. As black dials go, using Vantablack is certainly cool if you are H. Moser & Cie. Schofield spoke to Vantablack before they had made a watch dial but I felt that as soon as you cover it with a sapphire crystal, that reflects light regardless of the coatings, then it's all rather pointless. Black watches are a recent development because there were no readily available black materials or coatings until the mid 1970s other than oxidising, anodising, powder coating or painting and most of these don’t sit comfortably beside platinum, gold or stainless steel in a chart of premium materials. When designing watches we are limited to the materials used because of machining, safety and cost constraints. So when I say black, I also mean dark grey and sometimes with hues of brown, blue or green. I also look at all the material surface characteristics - colour, texture, slickness, temperature and sheen, finding ways to exploit these attributes favourably. These subtleties bring differentiation and make our ‘black’ watches interesting.

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W&W 2024: New Watches from H. Moser & Cie

H. Moser & Cie unveiled three new luxury timepieces at Watches and Wonders. The Streamliner Tourbillon Skeleton, Pioneer Centre Seconds Concept Citrus, and Cosmic Green showcase the brand's innovation, creativity, and craftsmanship. These watches are a must-have for collectors. Read here to learn more about H. Moser & Cie's new launches of timepieces at W&W 2024.