#if we're talking 2003+ raven my only real hesitation is damn they are hurting without all that magic and healing shdfhjd

[bitimdrake]

Dream Titans team???

good question good question!! My dream Titans team would pull almost exclusively from the original generation (though not necessarily the original team) with maybe an exception or two as the designated youngster. That older gang of Titans has such a super tight found family aspect that has never been recaptured, and is competing for screen time if you have a bunch of both young and old characters in the mentorship-style team.

...Maybe that's because there's been no good (teen) titans run since the 90s. But in my ideal revised DC history, the Young Justice kids stayed YJ, and the Titans remained the team of that specific now-young adult generation, instead of becoming the go-to name for any new group of teen heroes.

Titans vol 2 (2008) kinda set themselves up with a great combination from the original Teen Titans and NTT runs, if only they hadn't...fallen apart after like 12 issues. I also want to lean on that vibe from the first 90s Titans run where a lot of the characters had grown up and gotten families--i.e., Lian Harper will be here, and she will be basking in the attention of all her adoptive aunts and uncles.

Okay: we gotta have Dick Grayson. My heart also requires Roy (and Lian) and Donna. My most controversial opinion here is that I didn't really care for Wally in NTT and he was so busy being the Flash in the other Titans runs that he's...honestly not necessary for my dream team. (sorry) He can and should go be the Flash, which I love for him, and that will surely keep him busy. Admittedly Garth is at best my fourth favorite of the fab five, but only because I love my top three too much. I really did enjoy his moments in Titans vol 1, and at least someone on this team has to have a softer personality, so I am grabbing him too.

Dipping into the NTT additions, I also require Kory. If I can have specifically NTT Raven, I want her too, but honestly if we're going with more current characterizations...I don't. Post-2003 Raven is such a different character that she doesn't really feel like the friend they new and loved anymore, and it's just not the same dynamic!!

With Raven de-aging, it feels like she and Gar have both slid down into the younger generation. While that is nooot my favorite thing, I am willing to let them go at this point.

Vic I am debating. I feel bad throwing him on a line up without his best friend, but also I feel good giving him back to his own generation instead of pushing him into JLA stuff. We'll mark that a maybe. And this is my post, so I get to include Joey because I can, and because dammit he needs a solid Titans run again instead of the early 2000s sporadic appearances playing endless tug-of-war between "he's totally evil now" and "no!!! he's good!!"

At that point, I wanna dip into some less iconic characters. That would probably be easier if I had a better grasp of the wider DCU of youngish non-Titans, but here we are. And you know who else I liked from the 90s runs? Argent. Toni Monetti's back on the team; welcome aboard.

And I feel like maybe...Rose Wilson? Not from the start, but coming in later as a story arc, and then as the younger kid all these young adult heroes, and then finally sticking around and having the chance to really get to know her brother finally. I feel like she would benefit from a team of older-but-not-old heroes who want the best for her. Extremely reluctant team little sister. She is Cool and Tough and Edgy and hates being the kid teammate (except that actually she doesn't). Bonus points: we get to remember how she used to be Lian's babysitter, and we get to lean into Roy-the-mentor, which is such a good look on him.

So, my current answer for you: Dick, Donna, Roy, Kory, Vic, Joey, Toni, and eventually Rose. That's 7-8 members, which sounds just about right.