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peonycats · 9 months
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CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME INDOCHU
i deadass havent heard of it before but it seems neat and ya seem like the expert on it so i was wondering like what is their vibes and stuffs
SDHGHSGHSAJ I HAVE NEVER POSTED IT BUT OKAY I CAN TRY TO EXPLAIN? (thanks to my indonesian friend for helping out again weee)
Sukarno, the leader of the Indonesian independence movement and the first president of an independent Indonesia, cultivated a close relationship with Mao's China as part of an anti-imperialism alliance and the wider NAM movement, as well as his own "Guided Democracy" philosophy. However, after Suharto ousted Sukarno from power, he cut ties with the PRC and banned Chinese literature, culture, and characters; he went so far to ban Chinese Indonesians, particularly those on Java, from using their Chinese names.
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Mao even went so far to fund Sukarno's attempt at creating an alternative to the Olympics, GANEFO (Games of New Emerging Forces), even though it was only ever hosted twice lol
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There's a significant Chinese diaspora population in Indonesia and despite facing cultural suppression from the Suharto era government and anti-Chinese sentiment from Native Indonesians, have markedly impacted Indonesian culture and history as a whole.
The current Indonesian president is Pro-China and maintains close ties between Indonesia and the PRC.
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So (according to people way more enthusiastic about Indochu than I am) Indochu is appealing because of how grey both of these countries are as well as their relationships- they have a long, mixed (and sometimes very sensitive) history with each other with a lot of potential. Realistically, today they probably wouldn't consider each other notably close partners, as it's more because they just happen to have certain interests line up, such as standing against western economic domination and security guarantees. But hey, I see the chemistry 🤔
This is of course, assuming you actually meant to ask about indonesia x China and not India x China, which in that case gosh... SORRY FOR WASTING EVERYONE'S TIME....
(But I'm currently writing a oneshot collection which heavily features India x China and shows off a lot of what I enjoy most about their dynamic, so give it a read! I also have multiple India x China fics up there so those are an option as well)
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if it’s not too much to ask... india/china hcs pls? i know u ship it so i’d love to hear what ur opinions are!!
Thank you for asking friend!! It’s never a bother :)
Length Warning: Very, Very Long, A Lot Of Rambling
Preface: I honestly don’t know much in-depth stuff about India-China history (all the “history ramblings” is based on my previous knowledge + Wiki), so I don’t have a lot of grounding in what their relationship is like. Also, when writing their history I realized I still see them as a brotp (so the first part isn’t very shippy) but there are romantic ship headcanons at the end. See this cool post for other hcs!
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HISTORY RAMBLINGS
- I guess in Ancient Times, I see them having a friendly trading partner vibe; my personal hc of Ancient China is of someone who builds friendships for convenience, and then starts getting attached with time, so I think this is how his attitude was at first. He and India probably had some vague contact through diplomats and travellers who brought back tales to their own country, and then once trading and influence and religious imports (ex. Buddhism) really kicked off, they started actually interacting with each other (as people, not nations) and over time, that just kicked off into being closer and closer friends until they were basically lovers.
- In Hetalia canon China goes along with Zheng He (Ming Dynasty, early 1400s) on his voyages around the world (the episode with a giraffe), and historically they did make stops at India, where they traded and visited Buddhist temples and stuff; this would be fun to examine in terms of Indchu. I’m sure they had more opportunities to visit each other in person (in contrast to Romechu, the true long-distance relationship) but I’d like to see them just checking in on each other, talking about the news of the day and stuff! Talking about trade and the places they’ve seen; Yao rambling on and on about where he’s headed next, India interjecting time to time about things he’s heard about places far away from them. A moment of peace where they’re just super comfortable and relaxed with each other would be amazing
- Ok fast forward a bit to the 1850s-60s: Qing Dynasty is resting in pieces, the Opium Wars have thoroughly beaten China, the government is unstable from the Boxer Rebellion and there’s a bunch of hate at the ruling people, stuff happens. India has been taken by Britain and it’s Not Fun; these two old men are down in the dumps and being bitter together. I don’t think they’re “dating” or whatever rn because there’s just too much on both of their plates, but they are still close friends and still mutually hate England together. I can see them having tense arguments with each other out of pure stress, complaining about who has it worse: India, who has been made into a colony! *gasp* “My pride has been killed, Yao!” and China, who is basically a colony to 5 nations all at once and also reeling from losing HK to Britain. They know exactly how to hurt each other by this point, but they also know they don’t really mean it, and things usually blow over after they’re in their right minds again.
****Also, Indian sepoys were used by Britain to fight China, and Indian opium was shipped to China as well; I think that might have been a sticking point for a while, but I think Yao would’ve slowly accepted that India was not the one making decisions in the end. 
- The World Wars: India is in the Gallipoli campaign, conscripted by Britain, China is fighting on the side of the British and French but does not gain a single thing from winning, and has also lost the First Sino-Japanese War (I think Hetalia canon says China got his scar from there). Then Japan invades China, and he and India are fighting together in WWII against China’s estranged sibling/brother/vague relation. Both are beaten to the core, still bitter, but they keep reminding each other that they will just have to weather the storm and wait for their moment. This too shall pass. Same mood as the beginning of imperialism, but more tired and more done.
- After India’s Independence and China’s Government Overhaul: 1950s: India was one of the first non-Communist countries to recognize the PRC instead of the old ROC, but I think they started distancing from each other a little while after? There were territorial disputes with Nepal and I think both countries’ governments might have told them to cut it out and be less friendly with each other because they had rather clashing agendas
- Things seem to be relaxing just a bit, but then the Sino-Indian border dispute (1962) happens, and then there are other clashes near the border, and they don’t know if they can trust each other. Additionally, there’s the Sino-Soviet split, and India is getting help from the Soviets, and it makes things more complicated between them. The relationship is on shaky ground right now, and if they meet in person, both are putting on an impersonal facade. Not very friendly. I think they’re still cooling off until at least the late 1970s, when China’s economic reform happens.
- Skipping to Modern Day: they are cool again and are close friends again. However, they know their countries are competing in population, economy, world status/power, but they’re still friends. They know it might end badly, but I think they’ve learned to roll with the good times and savor it; their pride and hearts have been stomped on already so they don’t care anymore and take risks even if they might come out feeling a bit broken. They are buddies, and they might be dating, and they don’t really care about the boundary between friends and lovers. They are comfortable with each other.
- This article, published in 2007 by Harvard Business Review, presents an interesting take on China and India’s relationship, and in particular, their economies: it says that although people think they’re destined to be rivals because of their competing business sectors, they have developed complementary strengths and it’d be foolish not to work together. I think that could somewhat summarize Indchu’s relationship with each other in the hetaliaverse; they complement each other, and even if they might become competitors, it won’t affect their friendship/relationship because they just fit together. They click; it’s not forced friendship or whatever, they just integrate into each other so well (it’s almost like they’re meant to be together).
- There are border skirmishes (ex. the incident in June 2020), but I’m not really sure how that would factor into their relationship? Maybe they’ve gotten over it and they both know the other personification doesn’t like the fighting, and that their government’s opinions come first? Or maybe it’s still unresolved between them, because India has known Yao for a long time and knows what he’s capable of, and Yao knows what a potent force India can be when he wants? Idk. I think the idea of unresolved tension is more accurate, but I also like this ship because it’s soft and /mostly/ pure in modern day and I sometimes really want to ignore historical accuracy
ONTO THE GENERAL SHIP HEADCANONS!
- They argue with each other a lot, basically like an old married couple; their jibes at each other don’t mean anything though. China insists it’s so their wits stay sharp.
- Also they have debates over various academic topics; it’s basically their fun hobby by now. They’re both intellectually matched and read rather voraciously, so it’s a fun challenge (and keeps their wits sharp)
- I mentioned it before but it’s worth bringing up again: they know exactly how to hurt each other with their words; they just don’t get into bad fights often so they don’t need to cut each other to pieces.
- China is the less sentimental one, but they’re both really good at picking out tasteful, meaningful gifts for each other. “Experiences over material items/gifts” doesn’t really appeal to either of them; they’d much rather stay home being cozy than “gifting” each other a week in the Caribbeans or something.
- T e a  l e a v e s (No Teabags unless Strictly Necessary). No coffee, sugar, cream, or milk. Sometimes India jokes about switching over to coffee or drinking tea the British way, and Yao just goes “You’re canceled”, dead seriously.
- They wear each other’s traditional clothing sometimes. Occasionally Yao asks India to wear a hanfu instead of a changshan (men’s equivalent of qipao) because he thinks it’s more traditional (qipao was invented in the 1920s). India has managed to stuff Yao into a qipao at least three times, and has pictures to prove it.
- India likes running his fingers through China’s hair (he says it’s really soft, a comment that makes Yao scoff every time) and he sorta hates his ponytail for that reason alone. Yao knows this, and he tries to make up for it by letting it down more on weekends, when he doesn’t have to look presentable (also India insists Yao looks presentable all the time, another comment that always earns a scoff).
- They teach each other their own dishes. China has been getting in the habit of substituting beef and pork for other things, mainly tofu/chicken/shiitake mushrooms
- They take walks together in the evenings after dinner when they’re in the same place. As long as it’s still light out and the weather’s not too bad, they will do it every day (even if it’s raining, they might just bring an umbrella).
- Their way of showing affection is a) with gifts and b) just talking to each other about anything. It’s their way of winding down for the day and being comfortable with each other; they have long talks about random, silly little things that happened, perhaps a funny (or stupid) meme/joke their siblings sent, or dumb stuff that happened with their boss at a meeting.
- I think they’d call each other nicknames in private. It wouldn’t be something too “sickly sweet” I guess, but something to show they care. They use nicknames sparingly as well, so it doesn’t lose meaning through overuse. (I personally hate nicknames so I’m not giving out any suggestions here, but I think Yao would use something like “亲爱的” for India, basically means “dear/beloved”. Not too flashy or sweet, but still affectionate.)
- China gifts houseplants to India’s apartment/house because he knows India likes them (I think he’s a green thumb). China doesn’t really bother with decorative plants; he prefers to grow spring onions and other low maintenance shit that he can use in his cooking lol he’s all about the practicality
- During ancient times, they had lengthy, invigorating discussions about mathematics, either through letters or in person.
- They aren't really affectionate in public; PDA is limited to hand holding and occasionally a kiss on the cheek. Neither China nor India are the type to “show off” their relationship or their partner.
- Adding onto that, they don’t really announce their relationship to everybody but if you ask them, they’ll tell you. Basically you have to be the one to notice something’s up; they just don’t think it's necessary to share every little bit of information about their lives with people. They're the “secretly married” couple trope; signs of affection are rather subtle but still noticeable because they don’t act that way to other people.
- China forced India to get a Wechat so he can send India 10¥ red packets every week just because he has the app
- Not really a ship headcanon, but these two would throw the best parties??? Like if you want a party that’s really loud and noisy and fun, ask them. They may be old and “not fun” or whatever but they know how to organize large scale events effectively and how to achieve the correct atmosphere, and despite all Yao’s siblings’ trash talk, they usually pull off very stylish, sleek functions/events. Maybe it’s a little tacky here and there but it’s barely noticeable, and everyone is just. Awed.
Yeet that’s it; thank you for reading! This got really long, and I feel like a lot of the headcanons were rather platonic, but yeah! Hope you like it!
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nekotalia-blog · 12 years
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"you're never gonna keep up with me if you keep trying to flaunt your ass like that"
"you're just jealous of my toned booty ;)"
"...touche"
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peonycats · 1 year
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What your favorite China ship says about you
rochu:
You are communist
you are mainlander chinese
baby's first china ship
nichu:
you are a mentally ill mainlander chinese. or you're a weeb chinese.
youre japanese (bombastic side eye)
if ur in the english fandom uve been cancelled several times
amechu:
you want rusame without russia
you're into dilfs and baby boy toys
you're mainlander chinese and r/pol brain poisoned
korchu:
you want nichu but like 90% less angst and 50% more annoying internet fights
indchu:
you want amechu without america
you're into old people
ur either indian/chinese (tho not mainlander Chinese) or southeast asian and depending on which u are ur depictions will vary wildly
romechu:
you like dead people and angst
ur obsessed w the silk road/roman empire han dynasty shenanigans
iggychu:
you enjoy 19th century era chinese history
you enjoy wasian hong kong
u enjoy china suffering gratuitously especially if you are chinese mainlander
monchu:
budget nichu
ur japanese
you're either a mentally ill chiner or not a chiner at all
indochu:
you're not chinese or you’re chindo
you're a tankie
Indonesian’s nichu
taichu:
if ur taiwanese, ur into toxic male love interests
if ur mainlander chinese, ur a cishet man
budget nichu now with even more people getting mad at you!
hkchu:
ur an hker and hate it when people insinuate that china is HK’s dad
u r not an hker
frachu:
You think china should top france
portchu:
You think macau is a wasian baby
iggychu but spicy white edition
vietchu:
you're into unhealthy doomed relationships
you want vietnam to peg china
perchu:
You are using it to make rome jealous or use romechu to make persia jealous
you want romechu without rome
macauchu:
ur into abdl (if you know, you know)
you want a gentleman boyfriend
hkchew but supreme gentleman edition
nkchew:
ur not korean
nk is ur little meow meow
u enjoy a little sk trolling
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peonycats · 1 year
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What your favorite Indonesia ship says about you
a dear (indonesian btw) friend was kind enough to write this "what ur ship says abt u" indonesian edition, and im just posting it!
nethindo:
you like it problematic. or basic!
If you're indonesian you either just like this white guy or have some serious issues, esp if you make indonesia bottom (bombastic side eye)
if you're dutch you probably have some indonesian ancestry in you
indomal:
you're an enemies to lovers enjoyer
you at the very least keep up with the malaysian-indonesian twitter skirmishes
If you're malaysian you believe in Malay unity
if you're indonesian you enjoy a tsundere meow meow mal. or ur sumatran.
indophil:
ya like it vanilla
old classic BL enjoyer
malindophil revivalist
if ur a filipino u think of indonesia as philippines's closest sea neighbor <3
if ur indonesian u reciprocate that <333
indosg:
you want indomal without malaysia
old classic BL enjoyer (x2)
if ur indonesian or sgean you probably have family in the other country
thaindo:
you are a thailand and thai history enjoyer in general
you're into masc4masc and men with huge tits
you want indo to get topped by someone who isn't a white man
vietindo:
you are a tankie
u think they have similar personalities and its cute
you want viet to peg indonesia
rusindo:
you are a tankie (x2) specifically patsocs
you are fervently antiwest
you are probably indonesian and ship soekarno with nikita Khrushchev
indochu:
you are a tankie (x3) though more likely to be a dengist
you are fervently antiwest (x2)
jakarta-beijing proxy revivalist
if you're indonesian (which u prbly are) there's a significant chance ur chindo
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