#joycereplies

[jilljoycearts]

YOU MADE ME DO IT I'M IN AGONY AND MIGHT NOT READ YOUR RESPONSE BECAUSE I'M SCAAAAAAARED

Feel free to skip a few I'm overenthusiastic thinking of trios in Enderal

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9. Snug, marry, kill

-> The Forgotten Stories Trio

Tharaêl, Dijaam, Esme

-> The Main platonic and/or romantic Relationships (imho)

Tharaêl, Jespar, Calia

-> Easy peasy maybe? The Emissaries besides the Prophetess (asking you about Siri feels wrong lol)

Tealor, Coarek, Yuslan

-> Iconic Vendors

Fresh and Tasty Bread, huh no I just place them out for you to look at, my wares it is you want to see I promise you they bring you glee

-> Dust pit adversaries (I want to write Tharaêl again because technically true hngpf)

The Twins (double trouble with two handed hammerss), Tamas Sha'Gar (first fight with the 4 people free for all, he was the one with bow and fire arrows), Raga Shadowclaw (lycanthrope)

-> more "cuddle once, have as a pet, abandon (give to a loving person to take care of)"

Whirlwind (Donkey), Standard Brown horse (not Svart), Cuthbert (the dead (& kinky) mini pig of Maxus Tabaccus, the summoned form not alive one of him)

-> The Big Baddies

The Father, Daddy, Ketaron Dal'Geyss (Rynéus' Father)

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I'm a big indecisive softy so I couldn't answer any of those. Last one clearly indicates a certain **theme** in the game 🤔

Long ask - long answer! Like, very long.  The following is based on my personal opinions, visions of characters, marriage, human behaviour etc etc, and I’m fine if you disagree with me. Also, warning - adult topics.

Okay, the input info: 

- I think for myself, not for my prophetess (what I am: mid twenties female who values personal space in a relationship the most).  - I don’t turn it into modern au.  - This is “fuck/marry/kill”, not “snug/marry/kill” (I believe it’s implied, but still, ADULT TOPICS AHEAD) - For me(for this game) marriage is a combo of the first of our wonderful three-positions list, the lack of wish to implement the third and commitment. If optimistic – even fruitful coexistence. I keep in mind marriage is stability and all. - “Kill” is mostly “off the table” for those characters I can’t see fitting for any of the first two positions. That doesn’t mean I want to kill them, except if I specifically state so. 

1. Tharaêl, Jespar, Calia Starting with the hardest one.I’m telling bye to Calia, alas. She’s too lawful, and I’d be very grey morality-wise if put to their realities. Besides, she has these sub vibes and I agree with opinions she might be very dom when it comes to intimacy, but her whole sadness aura is not for me. I don’t want to deal with it if I don’t have to.  Jespar: we know what he thinks of any relationship - “as long as I feel like it - I’m here for it, else - adiós” and it’s pretty common for our world, but as we’re in a medieval and religious community, I believe open relationship is not common at all. I am thinking about marriage possibilities here, yes. He wouldn’t like the idea – it involves commitment. And I assume he’s the closest to me personality-wise, so we could be close friends, but I want commitment. Whether the relationship hits low or we’re doing pretty good – I want my spouse to be with me. Jespar is known for running away when things get bad. So yeah, he stays just for one night. And it seems I have to marry Tharael. Well… He’s very ESTJ, but I don’t mind if he takes care of, welp, everything. Pros: his understanding of “family” is quite classic to our world as well. Remember what he says in the Refuge - “no one will have to mourn me - no widow, no children, no friends”. So in his head he tried to fit the roles of a husband and a father(still can’t see how he’s capable of it, but he definitely gave it some thinking). Family for him = wife and kids. He acknowledges and accepts the commitment. Besides, he seems to be very responsible and reliable. He also tries to be rational, sometimes he even manages. And, as I see the Rhalata as a military formation, having spent 8 years there, he is very straightforward and strict/precise/exact (pick the right word). If something’s being said – rarely hidden context is implied. It makes communication much easier. Cons: he is explosive and I have strong suspicions he might be of jealous type. It is manageable, though. Especially if you set a list of rules together what is acceptable and what needs further explanations. He’s used to living following rules, so give him new ones and he’ll feel more confident. But careful, as it may play against you. Been there done that. Rules are cool as long as they’re acceptably flexible and you’re not trying to find how to cheat and break them. 

But out of these three, he is the husband material, at least for me. I’m not mentioning any intimacy above, as it would break the game for Tharael at all. But if elaborating – I don’t even know how you would drag him to your bedroom when he’s aware what he is and absolutely not aware what this new “shell” may produce as kids, if it is capable of it at all. So I politely ignore this fact. (In my otp it works as I headcanon the prophet can’t have children)

2. Tharaêl, Dijaam, Esme Why I would marry Esme: she *is* commitment. She cares a lot for a person she’s close to. She cares even after their relationship is not a thing anymore. I love this personality trait, and I’d like to see it in a potential spouse. I’m not sure what kind of relationship she prefers tho, if it’s open like Jespar wants them to be, I start doubting and think of picking Tharael again(not telling Tharael doesn’t care as much; in fact, he cares more). If not an open relationship – Esme is “lighter” than him, but also much more naive. But it’s okay, I can be oversuspicious for the both of us. So, marry Esme. And sorry, Dijaam, I have to kill you as I like Tharael more 🤷🏻‍♀️ 

3. Tealor, Coarek, Yuslan Ah, tricky. Yuslan once had a family – he’s capable of it, they were happy, so I’d pick him for marriage. I know how Qyranian people handle families and marriage, and poly relationships are definitely not my thing, but what he had was very “classy”, so I’m good. Tealor failed to have a family. He barely tried at all. Taranor – the lore never mentioned anything about any love interests. I guess not much difference here picking who to fuck and who to kill. I just pick what looks better, so… kill Tealor.

4. “Iconic Vendors Fresh and Tasty Bread, huh no I just place them out for you to look at, my wares it is you want to see I promise you they bring you glee” I barely trade in the game, I hoard everything😅 I know the first one is Marita, the second phrase is not unique to just one character and the last one I simply can’t remember. But I don’t want to do anything with the mean trader, so I kill him. Marita will be my friend.

5. “Dust pit adversaries (I want to write Tharaêl again because technically true hngpf)The Twins (double trouble with two handed hammerss), Tamas Sha'Gar (first fight with the 4 people free for all, he was the one with bow and fire arrows), Raga Shadowclaw (lycanthrope)” Ehhhh we don’t have any personalities here, so I can’t really pick anyone. KILL ALL! 

6. “more "cuddle once, have as a pet, abandon (give to a loving person to take care of)"Whirlwind (Donkey), Standard Brown horse (not Svart), Cuthbert (the dead (& kinky) mini pig of Maxus Tabaccus, the summoned form not alive one of him)” I’m keeping the ghost pig as it’s somewhat intelligent, doesn’t need food and grooming and takes care of itself in general. If given the choice, I wouldn’t pick anything. Commitment, commitment… As for the other two hoofed frens, no difference really. I’d patpat both, but I don’t want to own a pet.

7. The Father, Daddy, Ketaron Dal'Geyss (Rynéus' Father) Ahh yess daddy issues :D It’s actually simple for me. Daddy I would kill. Huge no. No-no-no. Firstly, he’s a father figure (and you associate yourself with the prophet), so no “snug”, no marriage, no anything. Kill him and that’s all. Ketaron I have to pick for just one night as I don’t see it possible for me to survive under the same roof with this shitty person… So I marry the Father. Nothing physical and it won’t be much I would have to contribute to this relationship but it would be interesting to learn new things, at least. Still, I can see it as “I don’t bother you with your business, you don’t bother me, we just coexist without hate and sometimes I ask dumb questions” That’s all. And no, I won’t try to change anything about the Father. I’d better prefer to avoid any contacts. Serious questions here, being put into a position of spouse would make me shave my head or not 🤔 

[joycelikes]

This might be the stupidest question ever: So Narathzul was imprisoned for 1000 years if I remember correctly? So how is Tealor his dad? Did I miss the part where Tealor is immortal too or something? I'm SURE there's an explanation that everyone probably knows so I'll just be anonymous for now to hide my shame :D

Oooh lore questions 🖤

Spoilers, careful!

Anon, you’re not wrong, the timeline is a mess and you should wonder! Nehrim canon says yes, 1000 years passed. And for Narathzul, who is technically another Lightborn just like Erodan (also a son of a goddess and a human (Esara and king Wesrud)) it is okay-ish, why not. But for humans, mere mortals, it should not work. Not only Tealor lives for this thousand years, but also Merzul and Barateon and I’m sure there are others.

So, as this part of canon didn’t make much sense, devs rewrote it in Enderal. There Tealor says he was imprisoned for 30 years (I don’t have the dialog screenshot but if someone does please share it) and with the DLC they added a book (can be found in Zorkban’s cellar) about time rifts, countries rewriting their own history and such. So yeah, that 1000 years is officially cancelled. Take a look at “Vyn - a geographical overview”, it should have their new dates.

But I myself went much further and created another timeline, making Narathzul’s and Tealor’s imprisonment last 8 years, not 30, and not 1000 of course. To me it’s the most plausible so it is my own canon now. By the events of Nehrim Narathzul is 31 and Tealor is 66. You can find my post with all of the info on my page, I’ll leave the corresponding tag☟︎

[mischiefmuses]

i don’t know how it gets better than this ( joyce & any of yours )

"That was sarcasm right?" Peter looked towards the woman, an eyebrow raised. This was clearly not the dream life. He was always having nightmares, these weird abilities and the stupid tattoo on his arm that he had no idea what it meant. Just a stupid number.

[jilljoycearts]

9. Snug, marry, kill but for Enderal:

Lishary, Lexil, Firespark :D

Hmmm interesting set of characters 😅

Okay, “snug” Lishari, marry Lexil and F Firespark, sorry xD Predictable

[jilljoycearts]

If they could live anywhere in Enderal, where would Siri and Tharaêl move to? And what would their house look like? (obv before invasion and all that)

A good one, thanks!

This part is super fresh and under construction so it was different just a month ago and it may change in a week, but as I try for my ideas to be plausible and logical, this one seems to be such for me, so it has all the chances to stay.

In my version of everything (as I literally can’t call it an AU considering it’s the thing that has AUs and the game plot canon has been abandoned long ago) they would live in Ark. The Order helped Siri to get that house in the Noble quarters (not that one the game presents to you as the player’s house. I’m talking about Dal’Mercer’s manor (Esme’s quest)) as no one else agreed to live in a “haunted” place out of the nobles. She made Tealor help her with papers. Siri doesn't own it, but is fully allowed to use it.

I’m still thinking what to do with the Esme’s quest tho, but that manor would definitely be the place where they live. I will think of making a mod reconstructing that place later. And, welp, you’re not wrong if you think a pathless (and then even two pathless) living in the Noble quarters would be considered problematic by the dwellers. But they both are used to it. Besides, when Tharael moves in after their three-months-long vacation (taken right after the Rhalata questline, will explain in the next paragraph) it’s winter and things are much slower regarding social interactions. But in any case it takes time for these two to be accepted. Luckily, both know how to talk to people to get what they need (yes, even with no fists or weapons involved!) so they manage.

The “vacation”: Siri’s idea. On the way down the mountains from the Father's expedition she vaguely mentions she owns a house in Ark but she doesn’t want to go back to the city. I don’t want to retell all my story (hopefully you’ll be able to read it yourself someday when I finish it) but she offers to move to the Sun Coast for some time for them both to heal and rest. Tharael agrees. Can’t tell you he has no choice, but he decides to stick to any new plan he’s offered just to have one. So after leaving the Frostcliff tavern they go to Fogville port and then to the Sun coast. They don’t live in Riverville though. If you remember, there is a place with a wild witch, half-destroyed house and cute cows on the other side of the river – that’s their home for the autumn. A lot of efforts and time were spent to reconstruct it, but later they use it as a summer house and a rest place.

Thinking of saving up and moving elsewhere from Ark - I don’t see it possible for Siri. She’s needed in the Temple, besides she needs people around. Tharael would manage to live in Riverville/Duneville/Farmers Coast but as I see it – the game makes him dependant on the prophet and so do I. He wants to stick around and help. And if considering the chances to move to the marketplace house, although Tharael is extroverted as Siri (maybe not as much tho), he’d think of that place as too busy. Siri, on the contrary, would like it more (more chaos = more fun) but she gets used to things quickly so she’s totally in love with the manor.

If you want to ask “but what about the Rhalata?” as in Le Shadowsverse Tharael doesn’t hide at all – let’s say Siri’s recklessness is highly contagious ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Again, don’t want to spoil the story.

[jilljoycearts]

That art is amazing! Can I ask how you painted the fire it looks so good!

Thank you 🙂

I’m afraid I don’t have an answer to it. You can find a process gif on my Patreon, but it still doesn’t have any explanation or guides.

I can say it’s a “sense of random” of sort that helps to define shapes that don’t exist in static (like flames, hair, water etc) and this sense can be developed only with practice.

[jilljoycearts]

1 and 6 for Siri and Tharael plz?

1. What are things they both find funny? Jespar (in a good way, though it takes some time for Tharael to stop being irritated by him), animals being dorky (mostly Svart), people secretly hating prince Mith, stupid jokes of each other, not so stupid jokes of each other, hateful salty talks about the rhalata and the order, Constantine, and many other things!

6. What is/are their love language(s)? Affection through actions for both. Though Siri is more chatty and adds a fair portion of “affection through words” to it too. Mostly it is “here, I brought you this” in many variations and also “here, I did this thing you don’t like doing yourself for you“.

[jilljoycearts]

Okok so I love you so much and I hope you are doing well. Happy December and Merry Crisis ☺️💕 also you have such an amazing blog like I could stare at your art for hours and at this point I probably have

Oh thank you so much! 🥰 I’m happy you like what I do 😁 Wishing happy holidays right back to you too!

[jilljoycearts]

#3 and #11 for the otp asks :D

3. If they complimented each other, what would they say? Sort-of answered with no answer, will draw a comic later~

11. What causes them to fight? It can be literally anything. Both are quite explosive and both calm down fast, so they can yell at each other and speak normally the next minute. That is, if the matter is not serious. And if it is, it could be Siri’s irresponsibility, for example, or Tharael behaving awkward with the Sun Children and denying to acknowledge it. It passes with time, of course. 

[jilljoycearts]

3 and 12 maybe?

3. If they complimented each other, what would they say? I’ll draw a comic some time later!

12. Do they have differing political opinions? Siri has strong, Tharael has none. Basically, if taking a look at her backstory, she was supporting Narathzul and was ready to fight for him and his ideas. So she hates the Lightborns and all the cults they’ve started. She hates the Sun Temple, Tealor, and the Path. Her political views are much closer to what Coarek presents than anything else. But still she doesn’t want to crucify people for being religiously devoted and finds it wild. She learns to tolerate religion with the time while living in Ark. And Tharael finds such things “superstitious nonsense” and hates the temple and the keepers for their attitude towards the Undercity and its inhabitants. So they’re pretty much at the same place of view in this question. 

[jilljoycearts]

For the 50 interesting OC asks (whichever OC you prefer)! 20, 26, 30

20. Do they have any pets? If so, what are they? Siri: owns this horse:

26. If they could dedicate their life to solving one problem, what would it be? Siri: >answered here

30. What would be their perfect day? 🤔 for Siri I think not much changed so >this one< still works.

[jilljoycearts]

For the OTP meme.~ ( 3, 11, 17, 21, 26 )

11 and 3 mentioned >here< Others are under the cut

17. What senses (sights, smells, feelings, etc). remind them of each other? Sight of snow: long way down the Frostcliff mountains on feet, finally learning who each other is; Sound of cracking fire + cold: same but more calm, they sang songs to each other when staying for the night in the abandoned Windmill farm, so they would remember each other’s voices when experiencing similar feels. Sight of morning fogs, smell of rotting leaves, moist, and autumn in general: the “recovery” period, while living in the Sun Coast (they arrived there early Sept and stayed till late Nov) Smell of fires, feeling unsafe ‘cause of the Coarek’s invasion, sight of the blooming trees: the most happy memories, methinks; time when their relationship started. (As you may know, I have many AUs and it’s for one of them, for others the war comes later, for this one I have this fic illustration

21. How have they changed each other for the better/for the worse? Now that’s a good one They actually have been changing each other while just living together and not being a couple, so I’ll be talking about that period mostly. For Siri it’s quite simple - she just looks up to Tharael a lot when it comes to responsibility and commitment, and eventually she gets better with it. Also she learns how think not only about herself and to trust fully and same applies to Tharael actually. As for him - he is an extrovert by his nature so living with another extrovert makes him way more talkative and easygoing. He learns how to slow down that insane pace and how to chill. On the “for the worse” side for him would be not taking things seriously sometimes and making stupid and inappropriate jokes here and there. And as his sense of humour is very dark and salty as is, it can get really bad sometimes. Won’t be mentioning drinking as none of them goes over the edge with it, but “for the better” - Siri becomes less rowdy in general and thinks home and family > taverns and drunk adventures, though those still happen quite often.

26. What are their favorite parts about physical affection/sex? Gonna be boring here but it’s trust, first and most important. For Siri sex didn’t mean much at all, at least for the most of her life. It was -sort-of- not necessary but good-feeling need that she fulfilled gladly with the people she didn’t have strong emotional bond with (except for her ex). Pretty much same for Tharael, nothing emotional and only physical. But when they both understand what it actually takes to trust your body to another person emotionally they start seeing it differently. And speaking about more general things - it’s understanding, respect to the personal limits of each other, and fun, of course.

[jilljoycearts]

… 🙃 with the mun! + any character!

That was an ask list about outfits? I can offer you outfit swap with Tharael 😆 He’ll rock that pink robe I wear when it’s cold (and also I’ll shrink twice under the weight of the rhalaim armor)

[jilljoycearts]

why does seregrael look like siri and tharael's kid hdgdgotdshjdfk

Can you please point out who of these two “potential parents” has yellow scleras, hooked nose, blueish eyes and super thin lips? 🤔

He’s just an aeterna with dark hair, would you please leave him be

[jilljoycearts]

(Not the same anon!)I agree they have not much in common, but that q made me think... Any chance to see an actual kid?

To see one, it has to exist, right? Which it does not.

I feel like I never mentioned it here (or anywhere publicly), so let’s address the issue. I headcanon neither prophet nor simulacrum can have children. Like, at all.

Both are pretty much undead and if there were a chance to actually have a child, would they even want it? All know too well where did the Vatyrs come from, right? 😉 Or else – it might be possible to bring a soulless person to this world? Or fleshless+soulless? Who even knows what could happen. So nope, no babies ever. No more experiments on humans, sorry. Plus I don’t see them as “parent material”, at least at where they are with their relationship atm.

But if you want, have [this] - it’s a feature mix, not a fanbaby, but here’s hoping that will be enough.

[jilljoycearts]

11, 20, 30

11. aswered >here<

20.  What is a promise they have made to each other? Tharael: not to do anything with his forehead tattoo until Siri finds how to get rid of it. (And she finds, but he still lives with it for three or four months until then. But luckily after that failed expedition they don’t go to Ark and move to the Sun Coast for three months instead. People in Riverville don’t see him often and when they do he covers his forehead with a bandana.) Siri: not to do anything with herself after finding her dead body. (Basically she is so lost and depressed she starts believing she can die again and nothing will happen, she’ll just magically resurrect, plus the general “wtf am I then and what is “I” that rules this thing”. Tharael knows this all too well so he’s the best of help in this hard time.)

30.  Write a short exchange of dirty talk between them. U know, I think I’ll sketch a comic when I have some time heh