#kinthoughts

[shonee]

Oh geez that’s me LOL HI

It just makes sense to me that a transcendent being such as (a) god would have a body that defies our sense of the word. There are angels that act as mouthpieces, why not go a step further? As limbs, as eyes and ears, or even down to white blood cells as protectors. These angels, as part of the Body, may seem to act of their own volition but do not have true free will.

Then you have “fallen” angels. Body parts can sever from the rest in dramatic ways, but we also lose skin cells naturally on a daily basis. This can be true for angels. We can separate from the Body gracefully and act of our own volition. Can we rejoin after separation? Perhaps. The divine body is not mortal flesh after all and we can’t expect it to act as one. But it is difficult to relinquish your Self, once you have it.

That’s just my perspective though!! I don’t think my experiences are universal in the slightest and I’d love to hear others’ thoughts on this :)

to me an angel is like. a servant of (a) god. but not just that. something crafted from the god’s very flesh, something ripped out and formed into a live creature. like gods tend to create living things, sure, but an angel is. closer to the god, I think. something divine but not on the same level as one. I’d almost call them demigods, but that has the wrong implications - part god part something else, or that it’s a god at all. angels to me are something unique and divine, not as powerful as a god, and usually chained to one.

[unhingedkinfessions]

its really sweet to look at old fictionkin blogs. it's nice to see people like me who are being genuine about it while also like. being as serious as i am? not that there isnt people like that *now* but its nice to look at the people who came before me, who share a source or we even got the same kintypes. im scared to be geniune about my fictionkin identity, even in my most private of spaces that i know are safe its hard to stay serious out of a knee jerk reaction of "i MUST make it a joke so people dont think im /that/ serious and /that/ cringe" and i hate it because like. cringe culture is dead i can do whatever and yet i can't unlearn this. ive tried but its terrifying to be vulnerable. there's something nice about seeing people who you KNOW are the same as you being as geniune as you wish you could be without being guilty.

sorry this isn't unhinged this is just honest 2 am kinthoughts 😭

no honestly...not like those spaces Don't exist now but like. i remember the older kin community was less embarassed abt being open since i guess we had less eyes on us ? it wasn't known as Something Else by people so u could just fuck around freely. and its nice just seeing that w like. no irony poisoning . 🫂 its ok tho even tho were insane i do hope the blog is kind of a space to b open abt it <3

[clever-and-unique-name]

Definitely had a few "kins" that just turned out to be alters. This was well before kin was a pretty well accepted thing. I went in search of people who seemed to have similar experiences, and the first thing I came across was the kin community (at the time strictly refered to as otherkin, fictionkin, and therian depending on which category it fell into). I found a decent community there that could help support me through some of the tough times. They understood more of what I was dealing with than your average person. Getting diagnosed and starting to be able to reframe some of my experiences and feelings was definitely a huge help. But honestly I don't know if I would have been able to get there if not for the support and understanding I received in the kin community. I wasn't the only one in the circles I ran in to get diagnosed with some kind of dissociative disorder. It was pretty well accepted that we all were traumatized, so it wasn't completely shocking. Definitely not a universal experience, but a not uncommon one.

Thank you for sharing your experience. I'm glad you could find some comfort and acceptance in the kin community; I hope everyone who misattributed a dissociative disorder as "just kinning" can look back with as much self-compassion and understanding as you seem to.

[clever-and-unique-name]

just to add to your list of anecdotes, im the host of my system and before i realized it, there was a famous musician i always felt connected to and felt like i was kin with, and i always felt super guilty about it and made myself not indulge the belief despite not being able to get rid of it. realized were a system and turns out im an introject of them. whoops!

I've definitely heard a few versions of this, where people felt guiltily "kin" with something and it ended up being connected to a dissociative disorder instead. It doesn't seem to be as uncommon as people think!

[clever-and-unique-name]

I guess since this is an anonymous space I feel more comfy saying this, but yeah, adding to the "thought it was kin, turns out it was introject" pile. The introject isn't 100% "faithful"—it's more so in appearance and name than in personality or anything—but that's kind of a side effect of the source (?) also not really having a personality aside from "I'M A BIG SCARY MONSTER". Which. Considering some of the stuff the system has gone through both in the past and recently. Makes sense!

But since I kin actively and my parts tend to passively influence instead of fully fronting, I confused this for "Oh, cool, new name for the name hoard and new kin!" and then was perplexed when I had zero attachment to it practically the next day. Turns out I wasn't the one attached to it at all, and it was a part I didn't recognize...lol.

Being super attached to something one day and confused about being attached to it at all the next....now that's peakDID/OSDD. Thanks for adding your experience to the pile!

[clever-and-unique-name]

As someone who is both kin and has DID, I think you're onto something. For me, comparing my list of kins to my list of alters revealed that two alters in particular are very prone to using kin to understand the experiences that shaped them. Although they weren't originally formed based on the beliefs, they've incorporated them into their identities.

Thank you for sharing your experience. I've heard other people describe similar things as well, so you're not alone with this.

[clever-and-unique-name]

Did that last ask you got just imply that introjects of fictional characters are glorified kins...? I kinda hate Tumblr sometimes. Not to advertise your series, but someone needs to read the DID/OSDD Casually Explained about introjection...

The way I read it, the last anon was actually saying that kins are so Entirely Different from introjected dissociated parts that they can in no way be under the same umbrella of "internalized substitute beliefs."

There are certainly many vocal people out there who do treat introjects like Kin Plus, both inside and outside of the DID/OSDD community. Other anon was not wrong about that. I can't count the number of times I've seen someone's fictional introject angrily posting about how "There are so many kins of me, but I'm the real [character]!" (Which is a valid way to feel bc, dissociative disorder, but not an objective fact.)

Kinners (kinnies? I get the terms mixed up) see things like that and feel like, in order to legitimize their kin and make them More Real and More Valid, their kinning must be part of a similar mental illness. People with DID/OSDD know there's a hell of a lot more to having introjects than "feeling like X character/creature/concept."

This is why I feel strongly about introducing people to the somewhat neutral aspect of substitute beliefs and (non-dissociative) introjection. There are actual psychology-based reasons why kins feel so personal and important to people, and they don't have to be based in mental illness.

[clever-and-unique-name]

Hi! I'm an introject and I also kin, and I've felt there's overlap between the two for a long time. I use my kin to cope with my trauma and like many people in spiritual kin communities have 'kin memories', which function similarly to my introject pseudomemories, for me. The experiences aren't identical obviously, but for me at least I do feel that there are similarities. (As an aside: I also do take issue with the anon saying 'you can choose your kin' because that's... not true in spiritual kin spaces, and kin as a concept originated in those spaces. Not saying kin is the same as mental health conditions, just drawing the line at 'you can choose one but not the others' isn't the best take)

Sorry this has been sitting unanswered for so long, the part who was having Thoughts about kin stuff and introjects has been pretty distant.

I don't really have anything to add, but thank you for sharing your experiences. Also I agree that, from what little I know about kin spaces, "choosing" isn't exactly a Thing for many people.

[clever-and-unique-name]

first anon that talked about the substitute beliefs today here-

yeah i was in no way saying that fictional introjects are “glorified kinnies” or anything, i have no problem with fictional introjects- as a couple of my alters ARE fictional introjects. regardless if kin is comparable to substitute beliefs, i just dont think that they are comparable to dissociative parts or delusions at all- UNLESS they are misidentified parts or delusions

ive been thinking for a bit and it does make sense that people would get non dissociative introject-ness from characters (not saying alters- just absorbing personality and stuff) but i just really dont feel that kinning is comparable to dissociative parts or delusions ? as yeah, kinning is a choice and the other topics are not

I hear you. Kinning isn't the same as having an introject as a dissociated part. The experience of the two is vastly different.

Things can be comparable without being the same; a venn diagram is not concentric circles. There are aspects of having introjects and having DID/OSDD that will just never apply to kins, and vice versa.

It's okay if you disagree and think they have absolutely nothing in common. I can see where you're coming from even though I don't agree.

[clever-and-unique-name]

Okay I’m sorry if it’s obvious but what does kinning mean?

I don't kin and haven't ever been part of the community, so I don't want to give a wrong answer here--but from what I understand, it basically means someone relates so strongly to a character/creature/concept that they feel it's part of their identity, or in some cases they feel like they are said character/creature/concept.

[clever-and-unique-name]

yeah just adding to the pile, I was heavily involved in the kin community before and during the beginning of becoming aware of the DID, and always felt a really, really strong connection to a major comfort character in what I thought was a "kinnie" way and lo and behold, we have an introject of him

That absolutely makes sense to me, thanks for sharing your experience!

[clever-and-unique-name]

to answer the anons question: there are a few ways to kin! spiritual kin is the original type of kin, which is believing you are something (an animal, mythological creature or fictional character, generally) in a spiritual sense, usually but not always based around reincarnation. then there's coping/psychological kin, who kin to help them cope with mental illness, stabilise their identity, or process emotions/trauma. and finally for fun kin, who just kin because sometimes it's fun to say you are a certain thing. there's also synpaths/otherhearted, which is relating strongly to something without claiming to literally be them!

There you go, other anon ^