#like obviously we know that ladybug's feelings for chat noir are strong regardless and turned out to be romantic in the future seasons

[xhanisai]

ML fandom when Marinette/Ladybug calls Chat Noir by cute nicknames and gets angry and upset when he's hurt and when she laughs at his jokes: *silence* ML fandom when Marinette/Ladybug doesn't reciprocate Chat Noir's romantic feelings in the beginning: SHE IS A HORRIBLE PERSON!!!! SHE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT HIM!!! SCREEEEEEEE!!!!!

[miraculouscontent]

Oooh, will we be seeing the aftermath of “Fu Takes Charge” when he calls Marinette?

"...Adrien is Chat Noir."

Tikki quietly watched Marinette, both confused and relieved at the reaction. "I thought you'd be freaking out more."

"I did too," Marinette admitted, "but... it explains a lot, honestly." She leaned back in her chair, staring up at the ceiling in thought. "And it's not like I'm disappointed."

"You're not?" Tikki asked. "I know you took down the pictures, but..."

Marinette shook her head. "I... I think I've been over Adrien for a long time. This was just..."

"The final nail in the coffin?" Tikki guessed.

"Yeah. Knowing he's Chat..." She groaned and rubbed her head. "Even if I was still in love with him, I wouldn't be able to deal with a lifetime of Chat Noir."

Tikki nodded silently, not knowing what else to do than just watch her holder absorb what'd just happened.

Then, Marinette's phone rang, chiming with a jingle that Marinette had handpicked.

Tikki glanced at the name that appeared, just to be sure. "It's Master Fu."

Marinette stared blankly at the phone at first, still seeming to be in a daze, then reached over and picked it up. She tapped a couple buttons, ensuring that the phone would be loud enough for both her and Tikki to hear, then set it back on the table.

"Master?" she called.

"Hello, Marinette," Fu responded. "...I'm sure you have a lot on your mind right now."

Marinette let out a single chuckle. "Not really. I was a little surprised to see you do that, but that's all."

"Ah. Yes, of course." He sounded as though he wanted to say more, but no words followed.

Marinette blinked, watching the phone to make sure the call hadn't cut off. It hadn't.

She thought it might be wrong to ask Fu about what had happened earlier, but she couldn't help herself. "...Master, why did you want me to see that? Chat de-transforming, I mean. Is this part of being a Guardian? Do I have to know in case I need to give out a temporary miraculous? Is it important for something, or is it some kind of test?"

It was unusual for Master Fu to be so quiet. While he was generally patient, he was quick to respond, especially when the situation called for it. Now though, he seemed distant; distracted even.

"...It had nothing to do with my position as a Guardian," Fu admitted.

Marinette paused. She blinked. "Wait. It... doesn't?"

There was a sigh from Fu's end. "I know it took me far too long to reprimand Adrien for his behavior. Perhaps it was the fact that I was never fully-trained, but nonetheless, I wasn't watchful enough of his actions. I saw signs that things had gone wrong, yet I ignored them. I wanted to believe that I hadn't made another mistake, but I had. You suffered for what should have already been handled."

"It wasn't..." Marinette's voice went quiet, sounding unsure, "that bad."

"...You're a good person, Marinette, and perhaps an even greater Ladybug. The ladybug and cat are meant to compliment and balance each other out, but that was not what happened. You stood strong and always managed to come out on top, even when Chat was unable to support you. You shouldn't need to do it, though it's an admirable trait."

Marinette became sheepish under the high praise, tugging gently on one of her pigtails.

Fu continued, "In a way, I'm at least glad that we were able to make progress towards Hawk Moth, but that doesn't excuse what happened. If I'd paid more attention, I might have been able to cease Chat's behavior before it went too far."

"Master Fu--" Marinette tried to interject.

"You don't have to console me, Marinette. I've come to terms with what I've done, and I could not have asked for a better ladybug holder to show me my shortcomings. Yes, I wish I'd known sooner, but knowledge is valuable, regardless of age."

"So... wait." Marinette's eyes widened with surprise. "Then... you did it for me?"

"There was no rule that said that you had to know," Fu confirmed, "so yes, I did. I knew you were fond of Adrien... or at least that you were. I wasn't sure if you were still intent on pursuing him, but you deserved to know that he and Chat were the same person."

Marinette nodded, even though Fu couldn't see it. "I see. T-thank you."

Tikki piped up softly, "And you're okay, Master? After all of that..."

Fu chuckled. "Of course I am. Plagg has already been taken care of, after all. I can rest easy, knowing that, though I advise that you tell the public right away."

"Right, of course! I--wait--" Marinette leaned over, hovering over the phone. "You already gave the cat miraculous away?!"

"I've had a plan for a while, Marinette. I've made sure to put it in very capable hands. I imagine you'll get along well."

Once Marinette had calmed down from the surprise, she replied, "I'm sure we will. You picked them, after all."

"Ah, don't forget. I may have taken your recommendations into account."

She giggled. Fu obviously couldn't tell her for sure if her recommendations had an impact, but she nonetheless appreciated the sentiment.

"And... Marinette."

Marinette stiffened at the stricter tone. "Yes?"

"I mean it just as much as last time; if we want to be a team, you'll have to trust me. If any of your holders are acting out, I need you to tell me. You shouldn't have to defend a troublesome teammate for the sake of keeping some semblance of peace."

Marinette's shoulders eased with relief, glad that she wasn't being reprimanded for anything. "Yeah, I understand. I will." She paused, realizing that the call was probably coming to an end. "Oh, and Master? Before you go, just one more thing..."

"Hm?" Fu sounded confused that there was still something else to be said.

Marinette glanced at Tikki, then back at the phone. She grinned genuinely. "I know some things didn't go how we wanted, but... you still stepped in to help me with Chat, and you were willing to give Wayzz away for his sake and the sake of Paris. I think you're a great Guardian, and I really mean that."

"...Ah," Fu said, though sounding like he'd meant to say something much more profound. Even though they weren't face-to-face, Marinette knew that he was smiling. She imagined a weight had been lifted off his shoulders.

"Thank you, Marinette."

With that, the phone call clicked off, leaving Marinette and Tikki staring at the home screen picture, which was just Kitty Section all attempting to cram themselves in to be in view of the phone's camera.

Tikki stared at Marinette with a thoughtful gaze. "So there's a new cat now."

Marinette nodded.

"It makes sense," Tikki mused. "The other heroes were always told that they didn't have to come if it wasn't convenient for them, so you could've been all alone for a couple fights without Chat."

Marinette hummed at that, still staring at the picture on her phone. While Tikki was technically correct in saying that she might've been alone without a new cat, she had a distinct feeling that she wouldn't have felt alone.

Before LadyBugOut, being Ladybug had become quite the chore. Chat was a problem, certainly, but there was always her concern of bad press and more akuma ruining her day.

Now though, she found herself able to take a bit of joy in her heroism. She could even take pleasure in dealing with akuma, knowing that she was steadily getting closer to Hawk Moth with each passing butterfly of his.

And her teammates cared about her just as she cared for them. The people of Paris were on her side now, and most were quick to come to her defense.

So, really, she was never alone. Not anymore.

With a determined smile, Marinette stood up and turned to Tikki. "Anyway, let's go! We've got an announcement to make and a patrol to take care of!"

[glassrain]

Then what House is Adrien in?

Much as it painsme to give such a by-the-books answer, I’m going to have to sayHufflepuff - though, perhaps, not for the reasons many people would.I.e., I wouldn’t put Adrien in Hufflepuff simply because he’snice. Kindness is a choice, not a character trait. People can be niceand not be in Hufflepuff; inversely, a Hufflepuff is fully capable ofbeing selfish, cold, snide, shy, or temperamental, among many othernon-sunshiny character traits. Being a nice, positive and outgoingindividual is neither a prerequisite nor a litmus test forHufflepuffs.

(Sorry about the mini rant, but I have Opinions on Hogwarts Housesorting.)

So first I’m going to touch on why I wouldn’t putAdrien in Ravenclaw, like OP of the Adrien is aRavenclaw post. (I’m quickly going to plug in here that OPis absolutely welcome to their opinion and I’m notarguing that they’re WrongTM - simply that Iapproach the character differently than they do.) OP’s pointsessentially boil down to: “Adrien is a lot smarter than peoplegive him credit for (Ravenclaw), and takes no crap when his lovedones are in the wrong (non-Hufflepuff).” I absolutely agree thatAdrien is markedly smarter than people give him credit for. He’snever shown to be any less than a straight-A student in any subject,not to mention the fact that his continued presence in public schoolis dependent on his high grades, so clearly he’s smart. He somehow manages to keep this track record, evenwhile juggling multiple extra curriculars and his superheroactivities - no minor feat. OP also references his puns and play-onwords; you have to have a pretty clever mind to do that as well andconstantly as he does, on the fly.

While I’ll give credit to the point about the puns, I’m notgoing to sort someone based solely on their sense of humor. As forAdrien’s academia … okay, brace yourself for another mini rant.Intelligent people are not automatically sorted into Ravenclaw,simply because they are intelligent. Just look at Hermione. I thinkthat if she were not originally from Harry Potter, manypeople would instantly sort her into Ravenclaw simply for thatreason, despite the fact that she is so obviously Gryffindor.Likewise, I wouldn’t sort Adrien into Ravenclaw based solely on hisbook smarts. Where are the Ravenclaw aspects in other areasin his life - the instinctual, day-to-day parts of his life insteadof the ones where he intentionally turns his mind toward studying andtaking in information? Adrien rarely tries to outsmart his opponents,usually preferring to take point physically while Ladybug riddles outthe solution (and even his fighting style is forward, flashy andaggressive instead of sly and clever). Adrien is also themost clueless character on the show - and after two years running that cannot just be from inexperience. For example,Marinette is not exactly subtle even when she’s trying to be, but Adrien still hasn’t even aninkling about her feelings toward him (at least as far as I’vewatched - I’m not entirely up to date in season 3). Adrien has noidea that his father is Hawkmoth despite the fact that Gabriel spendsall his time locked away in a mysterious attic, or the fact thatAdrien saw the peacock miraculous in hisfather’s hidden safe where he was keeping a book on themiraculous’ (or the fact that Gabriel has a hidden safe tobegin with), or the fact that he’s got butterflies decorating hisentire house, not to mention his father’s brand logo. Has Adriengot any clue that his mother is stashed away in the basement? Adrienis also one of the most easily manipulated characters on the show,because he instantly takes everything people say at face value, neverquestioning them because it doesn’t occur to histo question. It doesn’t occur to him to wonder about thediscrepancies in his life. He doesn’t even notice them,because his brain isn’t wired to observe and form connections. Hisbrain isn’t wired to be curious.

His brain isn’t wired like a Ravenclaw.

So, not a Ravenclaw. But why a Hufflepuff? After all, OP madevalid points about how easily Adrien fights his loved ones. Wouldn’tthat indicate a certain lack of Hufflepuff-ness? My answer to thatis: not necessarily.

Hufflepuffs are hardworking, patient, and fair players - alltraits Adrien has in spades. But Hufflepuff’s truly defining trait- loyalty - is the one that really cements me on this particularsorting for Adrien. It’s true that Adrien pulls no punches whenconfronting his akumatized friends, but it’s equally true thatAdrien’s goal is to free his friends from Hawkmothand restore them to themselves. At the end of the day, he fights soferociously for them, trying to defeat the enemy in orderto retrieve the friend trapped inside. What at first looks like alack of loyalty is instead a bright example of saidloyalty. OP also mentioned Adrien’s willingness to confront hisloved ones, like Chloe in Despair Bear. Confrontingsomeone you care about on a genuine problem in their life is hardly asign of disloyalty - in fact, it would be far more disloyalto stand back and allow toxic behaviors in someone’s life tocontinue hurting them, simply because confrontation makes one feeluncomfortable. The fact that easy-going, gentle Adrien is willing to stifle his natural instincts to make peace in order to confront his loved ones only highlights his loyalty to them, revealing how far he will go for their good. To again reference Despair Bear, Adrienwas speaking in defense of his friends - also people he is loyal to -gave Chloe an entire season’s worth of chances before offering hisultimatum, and all throughout the episode stood by her side,believing in her and encouraging her, and coaxing others to believein her as well. This kind of tenacity and loyalty is all markedly Hufflepuffbehavior.

Adrien continues to stay loyal to Chloe, even past the point where he should probably cut ties. He remains her friend despite the often cruel way she treats the other classmates - a fact that would look rather contradictory of Adrien’s character if he weren’t so hopelessly Hufflepuff. He remains her friend despite her habit of constantly harassing him in season 1. Adrien is very quick to forgive her and reaffirm their friendship after somewhat minimal effort on Chloe’s part to make amends in Despair Bear, because he wants to remain faithful to her, despite everything. He also defends her to Ladybug on multiple occasions, in episodes like Antibug or Queen Wasp, regardless of Ladybug’s very valid anger at Chloe. Because Adrien doesn’t turn his back on his friends.

Speaking of people Adrien is devoutly devoted to: Ladybug. OP mentioned that Adrien’s habit of constantly sacrificing himself for her is more an indication of logic - since Ladybug is the only one who can cleanse akumas - rather than loyalty. While I agree that this certainly a part of it, I don’t think there’s any indication that it’s the sole reason, or even the primary reason. From a purely cinematic perspective, nearly every episode with Chat sacrificing himself for Ladybug (Zombizou excluded) plays the scenario as a sacrifice for a friend instead of as a means to an end, indicating that loyalty is in fact the root cause. But even disregarding his fierce protection of her in battle, his faith in her boarders on irrational. (This faith, this unwavering belief that Ladybug can and will rise above any obstacle, his willingness to do practically anything she asks based on that faith, is a subtler but equally strong fact of loyalty. After all, loyalty isn’t just an action - it’s also an unwavering belief in a person/cause.) In Dark Owl, Adrien was willing to give her his miraculous, which she said she was going to surrender to Hawkmoth, simply because she asked him to. No real objections or questions, simply a blind trust that Ladybug knew what she was doing, and Adrien was willing to risk one of his few freedoms - not to mention letting Hawkmoth win - based solely on that faith. Or how about in Hero’s Day, when Adrien insists with full confidence, “You and me, we can do this,” when faced with an literal army of akumas? It’s certainly not faith in himself that prods him to say that. Adrien No-one-needs-me-as-Chat-Noir, You’re-replacing-me-with-a-turtle? Agreste, he hasn’t got the highest self esteem on a good day, let alone when virtually the entire city of Paris is hunting them down with very dangerous superpowers. His words here stem entirely from his faith in Ladybug. Another example is Reverser. In this episode Adrien, scared out of his mind at even a ride in a cab, willingly allows himself to be blindfolded and tied to a kite, then hurls himself off the Eiffel Tower, even knowing that Ladybug can barely walk three steps without making a mess, trusting her to catch the rope and guide him safely. The ability to trust someone that completely is an unabashedly Hufflepuff trait.

To further examine the topic, what about his feelings for Ladybug? Adrien is a hopeless romantic, and he wants to be in a relationship. But no matter how hard he might try - like his attempted date with Kagami - he’s already given his heart to Ladybug and can’t even comprehend the idea of taking it back and trying with someone else. Tikki and Marinette even have a conversation about it in Weredad - Tikki cautions Marinette and reminds her that Ladybug has rejected Chat Noir so many times, that he might be willing to try with someone new. Marinette simply scoffs at the idea, utterly confident that Chat Noir is devoted fully to Ladybug. And she’s right. No matter how many times she tells him she’s in love with someone else, Adrien is simply incapable of taking back his affection, or to stop trying with her (for better or for worse). In fact, I credit his devotion to Ladybug as the reason he’s so blind to Marinette - Adrien clearly adores Marinette, he has nothing but a thousand glowing praises to say about her, and is baffled at the idea that someone as amazing (in his own words) as Marinette might like Chat Noir. It’s not a lack of affection that keeps him on his “just a friend” train - it’s the fact that his eyes are so full of Ladybug that he doesn’t even see Marinette, not that way.

The final point I’m going to make (because this post has gotten quite out of hand) is Adrien’s loyalty to Gabriel. While Adrien’s loyalty to his friends and partner is commendable, his relationship with his father a much more unfortunate story: loyalty misplaced. Loyalty blinding him to faults. When Gabriel akumatizes himself into the Collector, that is a marked indication of his innocence in the Hawkmoth debate … but it doesn’t negate the previous evidences, all of which Adrien is perfectly content to ignore for the sake of maintaining his relationship with his father. The last thing he wants to believe is that his father is the madman terrorizing the city. So he doesn’t. Even beyond the question of Hawkmoth, however, Adrien’s loyalty to his father is the root of him blaming himself for his father’s behavior, while letting Gabriel off scott free. I DON’T say this to blame Adrien in any way, because Adrien is very much the victim of his father’s abuse. Adrien bends over backwards to please and appease his father: his extra curriculars are of Gabriel’s choosing, and Adrien makes sure to excel in each. Even before public school was cause for motivation, Adrien still made high grades to please his father. Adrien models for Gabriel’s company, and seems happy to do so. Adrien works so hard to be the perfect son. But he gets little to nothing out of it. Gabriel rarely dines with him, never leaves the house to support Adrien’s school activities, photo shoots, or fencing matches, keeps him locked away, isolated in his room like a cage (to the point where imprisonment becomes one of his worst fears). Gabriel tells him that he must schedule appointments with Nathalie for something as simple as a conversation with his father. Gabriel scolds and guilts Adrien for something as innocent as sneaking out to watch a movie that starred his mother (all while hiding his own heinous secrets). Gabriel intentionally manipulates Adrien into believing that Gabriel’s akumatization in The Collector is his fault. Gabriel gave him nothing but a single pen for his birthday for three years (or in the original French, completely forgot about it very often).

In the face of such treatment, many children would be inclined to grow resentful, angry and rebellious, hurting deeply over their abuse. Adrien, however, grows pensive and insecure. His loyalty to Gabriel blinds him, leads him to stalwartly refuse to acknowledge Gabriel’s treatment of him. Baring two short instances in Simon Says, Adrien never - not once - corrects, accuses,or snaps at Gabriel. The closest he comes is sadly acknowledging that Gabriel once again, won’t be showing up/ refuses to give him an inch/ etc., and even then Adrein is merely sad instead of accusatory. Adrien leaps at any crumbs of affection Gabriel might deign to toss his way, so blinded by his love and loyalty to this man that it never even occurs to him that he deserves better from his own father. Instead, he willingly shoulders the blame, or makes allowances and excuses, or ignores the situation all together. Because if Gabriel is what’s wrong with their relationship … then Adrein might have to pull away fro his own good. And that goes against his very nature. Adrien being at fault is infinitely more preferable to him than cutting ties to his father.

So, yes. I believe that Adrien is 100% a Hufflepuff - not for his sweet smile or his compassion or his penchant for optimism, but for his fierce dedication and unwavering trust in those he loves, even those who may not deserve it. Adrien is absolutely a Hufflepuff, and I cannot be convinced otherwise. Although OP did make one very valid point - poor Adrien would look terrible in yellow. Sorry, Adrien.