#live in the moment and if your other motto is i owe you nothing. bc …… i don’t owe you changing my job and leaving academia bc that’s what y

[spade-riddles]

"Adjusting Expectations" Post

This submission received a lot of responses and 120 notes, so I thought I would compile the comments here.

Anonymous said:

Adjusting expectations anon was so good. If their timetables are right and we do just need to be patient a little longer, can Kaylor please send us a sign? I guess it would be too loud to slip "adjusting expectations" into social media posts, but maybe they could both do something with playing cards? To show they are card sharks right now but they'll find their way home eventually? That would reassure people. And it would fly under the radar.

casuallycruel131313 said:

I agree with a lot of this but I think the main issue right now is that moral and ethical lines have been crossed and there's no coming back from that. In these post-Trumpian insurrectionist times it's unfathomable that they could continue the Kushner narrative I no longer care if or when they come out, I enjoy the music and I'm happy to observe from a distance because I'm interested from a PR/marketing point of view but my opinion of T &K as people has changed irrevocably and I don't see how they can clean the tarnish off.

@theprologues said:

Agree with most of not all if this but I would like to say as a Kaylor the toe Grammy stunt didn’t phase me. I was not crushed by that by any means. I just shrugged and honestly expected it. It was the attributing Betty and exile to him during the LPSS in November that bummed me out and really made me go...really?

rockcrow20 said:

Have to say I also agree with most of this.

I no longer have any expectations on anything changing any time soon and have not been surprised by the recent events its to be expected after everything over the years really

Nothing has really changed (bearding narrative wise) since I fell down the rabbit hole in 2017 (except that great night in nashville 2018 rep)

Honestly I can't say I am as invested anymore about them ever coming out as I was.

I think the wb/Joe thing was the last moment for me and the continual kushner connection just troubles me like many others.

I mean my kaylor motto for awhile now has been hope for the best but expect disappointment.

Low expectations = limited feelings of disappointment.

original-cypher said:

@rockcrow20 the WB was a breaking point for so many. You are absolutely right. There are just so ma'y contradictions that feel like absolute whiplash. (I know I seem to have been the only one experiencing that with Gorgeous but... that was a big one for me, too) But like. You go on a whole PR campaign about speaking up and standing up for yourself. You say you're capable and tired of men trying to take ownership of your success and profit off of your name. And you credit you literal damn work to a bloke? Bitch, 'consistency'? Look it up. It grossed me out. It would have felt iffy if I believed they were real. But since I wasn't born yesterday it just sent me the message "this is how far I'm willing to sacrifice my principles to not be queer".

rockcrow20 said:

@original-cypher exactly why it bothered me and I know alot us so much. Such mixed messaging of being a strong fighting for your rights female and then oh hey let me attribute some of my best work to my pr boyfriend and the pr pics where she is walking behind all the time like 🙄 The Betty thing that was big one for me too!

rainbowdaisy13 said:

This write up and the comments are spot on. I don’t have much to add other than like @original-cypher said, Miss Americana is tainted for me now and seems like at the very least, it was released too soon in the plan. I get we think they have had to pivot but man, that doc, and including her literally saying “gay rights make me me” at the end was such a false flag. To see her wax poetic about not taking shit from men anymore and then see her do the same old hetero weak woman song and dance routine with the WB shit for albums that are of her genius mind has been so disappointing. I still believe Kaylor is real and I hope they get a chance to show the world that. Karlie posting that cardigan pic in the woods before the folklore release cemented for me they are still together. Adding a baby makes me feel all kind of weird ethical things but I hope I live long enough to see it play out and wear my I Told You So shirt 😁

@kellykaylor said:

agree with your post... I dont care about toe stunts but what really pissed me of was hetwashing betty 🤮! beautiful post tho anon!!

roameroo said:

Totally agree with these all comments especially the strong messaging of MA only to turn around & pull that WB = my "bf" crap. I was disheartened by her mentioning him at the Grammy's only bc he's getting credit for sh*t he doesn't/didn't do. That is what irks me the most about this, giving him credit for her life's work.

always-the-last-word said:

Can I throw my pennies in the pool ?? Taylor will put out the big three first Fearless, RED then 1989 that should bring us to about August. This is where the excitement should begin. If Taylor preps and waits for National Coming Out day it's a no lose for her. Lover her money making machine will go through the roof !! If things go bad or good in the public eye she'll have REPUTATION Taylor's Version ready to release. It will be epic and she'll own it and be FREE.

@karlie-what-you-want said:

always-the-last-word I like this take a lot! I try not to be too optimistic but if she wanted to come out sooner rather than later, I think this plan would satisfy both business and PR needs (at least on Taylor’s end). Remains to be seen how Tay will help Karlie dig her way out of the mess they made together regarding the K*shners.

always-the-last-word said:

Always remember that Taylor has a PLAN. Some of her plans are year's old (easter eggs). Taylor's one and only LOVE is her music, everything else comes second. If KK wants to change and be with her full time she'll make moves around the same time frame. That's if she chooses to. In any event Tay will be open and own all her music. I've seen this film before and WE might not like the ending.

chosetherose said:

I’ve been going back and forth for a day trying to figure out what I wanted to say when I reblogged this post. I’m tired. I’m frustrated. I understand I’m owed nothing by Taylor or Karlie. I understand that circumstances out of their control have caused the girls to pivot over and over again.

But, the root of my frustration in the past months stems not from me battling with the trivial (e.g. pap walks, etc.) but with my personal principles. I fiercely believe credit should be given where it is earned and I uphold this in my career regularly. To see Taylor crediting Toe with her art was deeply disappointing. Watch the 1989 and folklore acceptance speeches back to back and tell me it doesn’t upset you. I believe the K******s have blood on their hands and that their actions during the pandemic have killed people. To see Karlie still associating with one of them disgusts me.

I can’t help but think back in frustration - Would you really fall from grace to touch her face? (And in the brilliant words of @9w1ft) But would you die for her in public? I go back and forth feeling like questions like this aren’t fair at all and thinking they are sort of valid. At this point, it sort of feels like Taylor would only fall from grace for her lover if all the stars and facets of her life aligned perfectly. But perfection like this does not happen. Such is life. So why am I here?

I do question why Spade left certain messages in their final days. I am still holding hope a fervent revolution exonerates everyone. I so desperately want Taylor to regain control of her masters or re-records. Maybe this is the plan they thought was best with multiple goals in mind (re-records, having a family, coming out of the closet one day etc). I’m trying to remain patient because Spade told us to trust her endless yearning. But WOW it is asking a lot of us at this point.

Anonymous said:

Despite being a pragmatist kaylor and oftentimes getting into arguments with fellow optimistic kaylors (owner of this blog included) I think it's quite unfair -at this point- to say to the optimists who have patiently sat through the worst kind of stunts with the most terrible kind of people (yes I'm talking about the Kushner's friend group too) that they should have seen it coming. Besides, if it weren't for the optimists we the cynicals would have burned this fandom down by now.

Anonymous said:

Even if we ignore that an insurrection happened partially because of the family karlie's still working for and getting paid from, she literally said before the pregnancy debacle unfolded that j*sh was her last client while talking about cutting hair and doing a cutting gesture. How should we have interpreted that? 😤That a year later she would be more stuck with the Kushners than ever? We don't wake up on day and decide to have unrealistic expectations. She feeds into them. 😠

Anonymous said:

I have no expectation of Taylor coming out anymore. Zero. None. I have no expectation of her dropping Toe or even of Kaylor publicly reuniting. It doesn't even matter that much anymore. But I - do - expect 1 thing. Karlie to drop and completely dissociate herself from the Kushners and this has nothing to do with kaylor. It was everything to do with me being unable to support a person who willfully assists (now using her baby too) and receives money from a family that has made so many suffer.

Anonymous said:

A quick word from an ex-kaylor (who will never become an anti). A year ago, when the Trumps were still in power and untouchable and there was no baby, I was excusing and turning a blind eye to many things Karlie did for the K*shners. Even that dinner in September. I had also made peace with the truth never being revealed. But a year later the Trumps are gone, Karlie is still on full stunting mode now with a baby in the mix, a baby that is already being used by the Kushners, and I've really run out of excuses. Now the only thing that could possibly keep me on board is if I knew there was a good chance that the full truth would come out, so that Karlie's inexplicable and honestly borderline immoral actions could eventually make sense. But as your sub said, this is an unrealistic expectation, thus I became an ex-kaylor and I'm not planning to come back even when they reunite. 😕

Anonymous said:

What baffles me is that Taylor has explicitly expressed her regret about not giving her lover the credit she deserves and her doubt whether fame is worth hiding her true love: "when I walked up to the podium, I think I forgot to say your name", "what's a lifetime of achievement, if I pushed you to the edge". But yet again she didn't do anything to change this. I didn't expect her to acknowledge Karlie, but a nod or at least not falsely crediting her beard would be a good start.

Anonymous said:

1🙁 Let me chime in re: "expectations". I'm one of the kaylors who ever since the pregnancy reveal was trying to tell everyone there's NO way she was gonna dump him soon after birth let alone before that. It would bring too much unnecessary attention and Jerk would have never agreed to something that would make him look like a bad guy/husband. For the exact same reasons, I was also saying there's no way he wasn't going to post about the baby. All the above against the popular opinion back then.

2🙁 So I agree that the day of the birth post was known to T, not the timing though. Simply bc Kushner-leaning outlets made sure to note that detail. If they wanted it to go unnoticed, why draw attention to it? That being said, kaylors would have been more patient with this mess, if Karlie hadn't gone overboard with her freedom "smoke signals" last summer and Tay's "insiders" hadn't been insinuating that the end is VERY near. Both of them SHOULD have known by then how we would react to these.

3🙁 So it's natural that everyone feels played and has no patience for any more bullshit. Another sore point is how Jerk AND the Kushner-Trump klan monopolize the baby news. This isn't just to make it realistic, it's an abuse of Kaylor's baby's name to garner good pr for the worst family in America, with Karlie's blessing. In order for her marriage and split to appear realistic she's putting a LIFETIME burden on her child's back. Unless you believe she's eventually gonna say Jerk isn't the dad.

4🙁 So "we’re in a position we should realistically have been able to see coming". But we did see it coming, that why some made these extreme scenarios, bc this is the worst possible outcome. "Good people try to make it work, even in bad relationships." Ultimately this isn't just a "bad rs". It's a horrific association that should have been resolved ages ago, not one to bring your child into, doom it to suffer a similar fate, and expect people to sit idly and watch. That's what frustrates most.

[shownuxhyungwon]

N! Can you tell me about some things you love about Jooheon? (I know I probs could've just messaged you this but keeping the Jooheon Love private wouldn't have been very cash money y'know)

oh goodness… where to begin… i was thinking of making a numerical list but honestly… idk how long or short it’ll be so i’m sticking w bullet points lol…

• a recent thing i realized i really love about him is the fact that he trusts mbb enough to let us know about his struggles w his mental health as of late… super fucking brave of him and i respect him so much for sharing this information when he really didn’t owe us an explanation or post or anything bc it can such a private and touchy subject (x)

• (i know this is one of your fav things about him too so i must mention it!) i love that he doesn’t gaf about what ppl think and said hell yes to gay rights not once but TWICE on vlive he supports lgbt+ mbb and that right there is true love to know that someone you admire so much loves you entirely regardless of who you love it’s such a wonderful feeling thank you jooheon for accepting me wholeheartedly and so many other mbb in this world (x, x)

• i love his laugh! it can be wheezy it can be super fucking loud and extra sometimes its a simple “pfft” i love when he pauses and thinks about what was said and then laughs it’s so cute and sometimes he sounds like an old man also he sometimes covers his mouth w his hand when he laughs… extra cute… it’s such a beautiful sound if i’m being real… (x, x) 

• i love how loved his is by EVERYONE! he meets someone and right away you can just see the heart eyes forming bc… 1) he’s cute af 2) he’s cute af and 3) he’s cute as fuck (i can’t even link anything bc i would need an entirely diff post for this lmao)

• i love that he’s a cat person bc HELL YES CATS! he’s such a sweet and kind “cat dad” to yoshi and gucci loves them sooo sooooo soooooo much buys them a lot of toys and cute clothes and cares for them and has taken them to a FANSIGNING! that one mtv news interview where he called yoshi and gucci his daughters and he’s called them his babies before… it’s too cute i constantly go through my yoshi and gucci tag and have an amazing time (x)

• i honest to god love how dramatic he is and how he can get soooooo sulky and pouty over the simplest thing said or done or ignored and i gain like 3 years of life every time i see it happen i think it’s cute and if i was around that every single day i think i’d explode from love overdose more specifically i love that he talks in pout (x)

• i love his music i absolutely love every single record he’s put out i think his sound is so true to him and that’s kind of weird to say bc he does play around w sounds a lot but i think he has a v specific sound… idk how to make this make sense tbh but… stream dwtd mixtape? ongshimi? he has over 100 copyrighted songs so he’s one of the most copyrighted artists in sk which is… incredible… joohunnit onehunnit… i’m tying in his musical ability as well bc apart from being an incredible amazing wonderful composer and producer and lyricist he can also play multiple instruments!! he can play the drums, piano, and a bit of guitar and there’s prob so many other sides to him w music that we’ve yet to see and also he has such a beautiful singing voice! he once said if he wasn’t a rapper or a part of monsta x he’d be a singer and i believe that 100% and i think it’s great that he’s gotten to the opportunity to showcase himself and his voice more w their recent english tracks truly love that for him

• i love his be happy stay happy motto i consider him a huge inspiration in my life to continue moving forward fighting for what i want and believing in myself and in my moments of reflecting on my happiness i think about this message bc he cares about not just his happiness but of others as well for ex. the vlive he did w shownu after their we are here in ny show where they talk about how jooheon constantly asks him if he’s happy bc he genuinely cares about him and wants him to genuinely be happy he also cares about the happiness of mbb and says these things bc they’re good things that he wants us to hear he’s an immensely busy person and this takes a toll and i mean he’s a human fucking being it hurts to know he’s going through a rough time rn but it’s also great to know he’s taking time to find that happiness again and find himself as well and i hope his message is helping him out rn i also heard it live during the we are here in atlanta show i went to and p much bawled my eyes out bc he performs and makes music and loves music bc it makes him happy but also bc it makes mbb happy and that’s one of the many ways in which he shows and gives out love (33:44-38:24) (x)

• i love how he wears his heart on his sleeve 100% of the time you know exactly how he’s feeling what he’s thinking bc he doesn’t hide it! i don’t even have a specific moment tbh he’s just 100% himself 100% real and that right there is admirable af

• this list can really go on and on and on and on and on and… there are so many reasons to love lee jooheon but i think i’m gonna end it w my favorite thing about him which is a quality… actually… multiple words to describe him ig but ok! i love how hardworking and dedicated and perseverant he is he’s one of the type of ppl that when he sets his mind to something he will stop at nothing (not in a bad way) to get there he constantly works to improve himself even tho he’s already at such a god tier level it amazes me every. single. time. he does something even more incredible to showcase himself ex. 2019 mama intro (need i say more?) and 2019 sbs gayo daejeon where he was rapping AND drumming at the same time whilst being sick physically and mentally (during mama too) and STILL putting on one hell of a fucking performance also him changing his name more than once bc he believed it would bring him more luck to debuting which honestly? i think is valid and not to mention how HARD he worked to be chosen to become a part of monsta x the years of training and fighting and believing to do that! and guess what? he did it! he did that! his goals and dreams became his reality!