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happy wincest wednesday! what's the fic that converted you to wincest? not necessarily the first you remember reading, but the first that impressed you and stayed with you all these years?
ooh ty, such a good question. and happy saturday, this clearly took me a while but believe it or not i cut out over half of this response lol. sorry in advance for the messiness of this answer <3
i have to say that since that was in 2014 (so the year after i started watching spn), i don't remember what fic really "converted" me (i do remember what finally made me find it compelling in-show: teasers from s10 the summer before it aired), or a fic that has stayed with me since that long ago (my memory is a black hole lol), but i always love a good excuse to go through my ao3 bookmarks and history, so let's see...
the first wincest fic that apparently impressed me the most back when i read it in late 2014 was sight lines by kissyn because it was, and i quote from my bookmarks, "the fic that made me want to use bookmarks". i reread it just now and while i wouldn't have called it an answer to this question before that, it might actually be one after all. and it still works, even when some of my preferences and views of what's IC and not have obviously changed since then. i guess that fic portrays that beginning for me quite well, it's a few months into me reading wincest fic and it shows how i had started reading fic for them, while sharing qualities with what i had read before (heed the tags lol). i was starting to get an idea of what i was looking for in s/d fic and their relationship in general, even if that fic wasn't it yet or now (but i contain multitudes,,,). i’ll let the beautiful opening paragraph speak for itself:
There's something eerie about driving into a small town just as real autumn twilight sets in, especially the kind of small towns you find in rural Appalachian territory. Tall pines loom in close over the winding roads and block all but the narrowest strip of overcast sky with their skinny grasping branches. Sweeping hills and valleys seem to tuck each village into its own isolated world. Impending darkness, already deep in the gaps between trees, makes claustrophobia threaten. Sam is used to long stretches of plains, where he can see on and on over yellow grass. Here, each curve in the road hides the next quarter mile. Gas stations and rundown liquor stores and intersections spring on them with no warning. ––
and i realised that these lines actually have stayed with me:
Sam has a theory that there are two types of people in the world. The first kind are regular people, like him and Dad and Mandy and Nancy the bartender, they're the sort that other people start to love over time. Not that the love is less powerful or real, but it's a growing thing, and it has to be nurtured, coaxed, earned, built into a lasting relationship brick by brick. They're the kind of people that not everyone is going to love, or even want to love. Then there are people like Dean and, Sam thinks, his mother. She must have been like Dean, else where did Dean get it from? They're the second type. People that go through life and everyone around can't help but fall a little bit in love with them. And it's not safe or good, it blows up fast and too often it dies just as quickly, but they barely know they're doing it and even if you recognize what's happening to you, you can't help falling anyway. And when they leave you behind, when you really did love them, that's how people like John Winchester happen.
i can't still really say that or any other fic made me be properly into wincest, it was a group effort with the show and tumblr (and this exploration into those beginnings has just left me more confused lol, this answer is me simplifying a lot), but it's probably the best early example? especially since while i did start reading sam/dean fics a few months earlier and there were some other formative and memorable fics from before, most were honestly pwps that IIRC i didn't read primarily for the sam and dean of it. the lines were blurry, but then another impactful "conversion" for me was maybe a year later when i found authors such as fleshflutter (forever <3 i wish i could link a specific fic but i just blanket bookmarked all of them) and candle_beck (although i never read that many fics from them until last year), who among others definitely left a mark. and then i took an almost four-year break from the fandom and had another ~conversion a year ago, which was especially important when it came to sam and dean's relationship for me. some things changed, some stayed the same...
i'd love to rec some All Time Favourites and give a clear answer so i'm still not satisfied with this, but there are so many deleted ones and ao3 history doesn't work like i'd want it to, not to mention lj... and the fics i read didn't maybe necessarily always reflect my thoughts about their relationship, which i now have a clearer and dearer idea of. and apparently i didn't even end up bookmarking that many sam/dean fics back then (it was one relationship among others for me but also i had some struggles finding fic among all the [redacted] that i came across)? also i could be misremembering everything here lol. anyway @ past me please start bookmarking more fics and also start doing it earlier thanks. this isn't probably the answer you were looking for, more just me pondering than talking about specific fics, but maybe it's something :)
#IDK#let's ramble some more because this made me think#the reason why i wasn't that into wincest at first was 1) i binged the show and while i liked their relationship the blogs i followed were#mainly of the dean and cas variety so that was what i started shipping (also maybe dean/benny since s8 was airing etc.)?#and 2) i didn't 'ship' sam with anyone because of prev and other reasons plus more uh superficial ones (not the case anymore lol)#but then something flipped in my brain and i started seeing it myself (after wondering about it but just not caring that much yet? maybe?)#2014 was apparently when i started actually thinking about the show more#also i started reading john/dean before sam/dean but i can't remember if the sam/dean was connected and if there's a specific fic#asks
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SHIPPING INFO // Answer the following for your muse(s) so people know how shipping works on your blog. REPOST. Don’t reblog.
DISCLAIMER: These are all rules and information for romantic/sexual ships. Platonic ships are always welcome <3
WHAT’S YOUR OTP FOR YOUR MUSE?: It is currently a tie between Sastiel and Casifer :3
WHAT ARE YOU WILLING TO RP WHEN IT COMES TO SHIPPING?: If I’m comfortable with you, I will literally rp anything with you (even things I normally wouldn’t). As long as the mun and muse are of age, I will write anything from abusive/destructive relationships to the fluffiest fluff to have ever fluffed. I’m up for gore, violence, humiliation, abuse and any other twisted relationship you can fathom within realistic limits. At the same time, I also love rping fluff and domestic threads. The only limits I have are with certain kinks (such as watersport, scat, vomit) and anything involving minors. Another thing to keep in mind is that hate ships don’t usually work with Cas. If he hates a muse, he hates them and if they insult him, he won’t like them. Unless your muse can force him to stay (physically or through other means), he’ll likely leave assholes. If you’re unsure of what kinks or situations I’m okay with, just ask :)
HOW LARGE DOES THE AGE GAP HAVE TO BE TO MAKE IT UNCOMFORTABLE?: The muse can never be under the age of 21 for nsfw threads that aren’t smut. This is not up for debate as it is for my own comfort. Otherwise, Castiel’s vessel is currently in his 40s so I typically look to ship with characters within 10 years of that age range. I usually rp Cas in season 4 if the muse is in their 20s since big age gaps creep me out. Yes, I know he’s technically an angel and old as dirt, but I’m talking more about his vessel than anything else.
ARE YOU SELECTIVE WHEN SHIPPING?: Not gonna lie, it depends on the muse and mun. I will say that I don’t ship destiel, but would be happy to point Deans to Castiels that love this ship. I’m big on certain ships and more willing to ship right away (sastiel/casifer), while other ships usually have me needing more development and time to see if they’re possible with Cas. It’s a big help if we talk ooc a lot since I can learn better about the mun and know what they want from the ship. If it’s something I can get behind, I’ll go for it. Otherwise, they can have a friendship to start and see where it goes. I will say that if the mun just wants a big, strong angel to sleep with their muse, it’s better to look somewhere else. Cas only has sex willingly with those he knows and cares for. No amount of ‘seducing’ will change that.
HOW FAR DO STEAMY MOMENTS HAVE TO GO BEFORE THEY’RE CONSIDERED NSFW?: I usually start tagging it when one of them is blushing or one of them is doing the dirty talking. I set the bar low since I’m sometimes at school or work so I have to be careful. That being said, I never specify why a thread is labelled as nsfw so anything from sex to violence may be tagged as nsfw.
WHO ARE OTHER MUSES YOU SHIP YOUR MUSE WITH?: I will ship him with most of the guys in Supernatural, but I strongly lean towards Sam or any of the angels. While I can totally ship with females, the mun has to accept that I don’t do anything close to steamy with m/f ships as I feel awkward writing it; insisting on writing m/f smut will end badly. I am also open to ship with other characters from other fandoms if the chemistry works between our characters. OCs are ones I rarely ship with, mainly since it takes much longer to form a relationship with a complete stranger for Cas. The only exception is usually ooc friends.
DOES ONE HAVE TO ASK TO SHIP WITH YOU?: Yes, please. If your muse tries to make a move on Cas and he doesn’t know them, chances are it will not end well for your muse (unless they’re somehow stronger than Cas, but then that goes into noncon territory which should be discussed first). If he does know them, then it really depends on the character. Cas is dense when it comes to flirting so that’ll fly over his head unless the other muse is really blunt (aka ‘hey, you’re sexy and I want to fuck you’). But again, there’s no guarantee Cas will react positively to that, regardless of who your character might be. So, yes, please tell me you want to ship so we can work it out and you can tell me what you want from said ship.
HOW OFTEN DO YOU LIKE TO SHIP?: Always. I’m a slut for shipping XP That being said, while I’m always up for developing the ship and doing fluff, I’m not always up for smut since it’s not my strong point. Threads of the smut variety get dropped fairly quickly by me unfortunately.
ARE YOU MULTISHIP?: Of course :3 I also ship with multiples of the same character and even with other Castiels.
ARE YOU SHIP OBSESSED OR SHIP MORE-OR-LESS?: I mean I love shipping, but it’s not the first thing I want or ask for when I follow someone. I like for it to develop and see if there is potential in the two. If I see it, I’ll be sure to come and tell you.
WHAT IS YOUR FAVORITE SHIP IN YOUR CURRENT FANDOM?: Isn’t this similar to the first question o.o;
FINALLY, HOW DOES ONE SHIP WITH YOU?: Throw a message my way saying ‘HEY WANNA SHIP’ and then be prepared for a barrage of questions ._. Developing a ship with me is tricky because if it becomes obvious that your muse is just trying to cause havoc or use Cas, he and I’ll likely lose interest in the ship. Cas is a romantic at heart and wants to have a strong bond beyond just sex. Also Cas often pushes aside his own problems and prioritizes his partner’s which isn’t healthy. A strong ship has both the characters working together to overcome problems either of them have.
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