#normally i hate when ppl tag characters in a post that isnt really about them im gonna tag the other characters cuz i do mention them quite

[kookidough]

analysing vance hopper because he lives in my head 24/7 !

tw for like. literally everything the black phone covers!!!!!!

also there's some special effects gore rather far down in the post idk just i feel like i should warn you just in case

okay so before anyones like "but bee!!!! he only had 6 minutes of screen time in a 102 minute long movie!!!!! he was only on screen for 5.8% of the movie!!!!!" and to that i say i Know it was a real tragedy so a lot of this will be built on personal interpretation and subtext and stuff said behind the scenes and whatnot

so firstly i wanna rot about what his childhood/upbringing might've been like..... i havent quite decided on something definitive but i think we can take one look at his character and realise that is glaringly obvious he had a bad childhood, in one interview the actor that plays him (brady hepner) says "the background i had set up for vance is that the reason he was the way he was is his home life was fairly difficult, you know maybe his dad was either not there for him or he wasn't supportive, maybe he was fairly abusive, and so that creates a hair trigger sense of rage in vance" hair trigger meaning his patience is literally as thin as a strand of hair it does Not take a lot for him to snap

there more to it after that which i'll get into soon but yea thats the gist of it it's clear he had absent/neglectful/abusive parents and that would certainly contribute to why he's so angry all the time, maybe acting so explosive was the only way to get his parents' attention, either good or bad, so he just internalised that. obviously rage and anger issues like vance's lead to violence (not in all cases but in his case it does) and i think a neglectful and abusive upbringing would obviously expose him to more violence than a normal childhood would, therefore normalising it and desensitising him to it, whether he's seeing it play out in his own home and/or on television or something like that (because i doubt his parents would be the kind to monitor what content he's viewing)

i feel like he has little control over his life and that only adds to his anger, which in his case leads to a fight when his buttons are pushed too many times. i think he probably takes great pride in being the toughest in town and whatnot and winning fights and being perceived as strong and scary is good to him and helps him regain control/power, something he doesnt have at home. the rest of the quote from the interview i mentioned earlier states "this pinball machine could have been the only thing that he has in his heart that's like, good, like 'holy cow i did this, i set the score,' so when someone comes along and messes it up for him, it takes away the only thing that he has. i think that that's when he switches to a 'now you're gonna pay for that'"

similar to what i said about fighting, the pinball machine and his high score is something he has control over and its an important part of his reputation/image like. hes literally pinball vance ! and the whole thing about that high score being the "only thing he has in his heart that's good" implies that hes. well. pretty shit at everything else, which is pretty much canon if you remember that gwen said vance was held back twice in school. makes me think that while he's not the brightest in school he's certainly street smart

moving onto ermmmmm him getting kidnapped era because im sure youre wondering "well bee if he's so street smart then why did he get kidnapped" so may i raise two theories (this is. literally all i got and its not even concrete, me and my friend gray (@staggersz) tried to figure out how this could even happen and this is the most plausible thing we've got. so shoutout to him real quick he has had to deal with me being unnormal about vance for like a year and a half thanks king couldnt have done all this without my rotting buddy)

so either he got taken by surprise (most likely option) or vance's trust was gained first via getting given quarters at the pinball machine and small talk and shit like that but this is unlikely because i feel like it'd take a loooooong time for someone like vance to trust a some random stranger adult man when he clearly has issues with trusting and respecting people older than him and people with authority (e.g. cops, his parents, or school officials) so yea being taken by surprise would probably be the most realistic option, i always see people on tiktok being like "how did the grabber kidnap vance hes so strong!!!!" dude its a 15 year old boy against like. a 45 year old man who's already claimed two lives its really not gonna be a fair fight here

before i get into the next part i wanna quickly address a theory i absolutely Hate and it is so easily disproven and that is the theory that vance is the grabber's son or is related to him in some other way and i see it Far too often on tiktok and i HATE it. from what ive seen this all stems from his dream sequence where he kicks open the fence to albert's house and, presumably, goes inside after being dropped off by the police after the grab n go fight. idk if some people just straight up didnt realise this but clearly in real life he is going to his Own House??? in the dream it's only albert's house because this is how he chooses to show gwen the house she's trying to find her brother in, the house that he himself was killed in??? i hate the theory i hate it sm

the dream sequence itself is interesting though as the ghosts seem to only be able to conjure up what theyve seen in real life (like how bruce can picture the outside of the house and show that to gwen but the house number is all flipped and not right beause he doesnt know it) so vance being able to picture the house and the number and the gate and every detail would imply that hes seen it before, but im going to explain that away as either he got out once before like with finney's failed escape attempt, or the house is most likely on the route he walks to school or the grab n go or something and he hasnt actually been there prior to being kidnapped

mini rant over now onto being kidnapped i guess, so i used the missing posters to try and estimate a timeline of how long each ghost boy would've been in the basement for (although the missing posters are notoriously unreliable for details such as looks/height/age/etc, the dates seem to all line up). so we know the order is griffin, billy, vance, bruce, robin, finney, right?? if we use the poster date then billy was taken on may 4th, 1976, a month and two days after griffin was taken (april 2nd 1976). vance was taken on september 23rd 1977, almost a full year later (stay with me im going somewhere with this), and after that bruce was taken on july 18th 1978, again almost a full year later

its established in the movie that the grabber stalks his victims before he takes them (canon because we literally see the van watching finney and gwen as they walk home from school early on in the movie) but we dont know how long he does this for since griffin/billy and robin/finney were taken such short distances apart and then the others were taken such long distances apart, also it's possible he could stalk his next victim while the previous one is still alive, etc etc lots of confusing factors, but if i've done the maths right then the absolute maximum time vance could've spent down there is 9 months and 25 days, or 298 days, so erm . let that sink in !

howeverrrr in the movie gwen states that vance went missing "last spring" and september is definitely not in spring, meaning he could've been down there for a year or even longer. an explanation or excuse i could think of for the movie and the missing poster saying different things (other than the missing posters being known for some areas being wildly inaccurate) is that maybe he was taken in spring but wasnt labelled as officially missing until september, when he was properly linked to griffin and billy's similar disappearances and the mysterious grabber? i can imagine it'd be very easy for law enforcement, especially in the 70s, to dismiss someone like vance as a runaway until they get solid evidence that he was taken. idk though thats just my personal excuse / angsty headcanon for the difference in information

not sure what exactly killed him but we do hear from vance himself that "he took his time with me" so it was probably blood loss from a variety of injuries, if we look at him in his ghost scenes we can see his hair is absolutely covered in blood which indicates head injury, he clearly has a broken nose and bruising around his eyes as a result of it, he has these deep cuts on his abdomen area (apologies for the image quality but i believe they're like. sfx pieces you would wear under clothing)

and he also has just like. minor bruising (like the fingerprints on his arm) and other random blood splatters on his face and neck (assuming the blood down his neck comes from wherever he was bleeding on his head) so Yeah overall very unpleasant way to die obviously

okay now the part thats actually in the movie and it only took me 13 paragraphs to get here: vance as a ghost!! first thing i wanna point out is appearance wise i just want to say that when he's a ghost he's missing his choker and that fact Pains me. anyway personality-wise i feel like being violently murdered has, understandably, kicked his rage up to like. the highest level it could possibly go. he's insanely snarky and downright rude to finney on the phone, showing no empathy to the fact that finney is literally in the exact situation he was in

i feel like the whole "this is the nightmare end of your pathetic little life" and "if you knew what you had coming, you'd be fucking terrified" thing is definitely to scare finney on purpose and to get him to do something, vance might as well have just told him he's never going home cuz thats how it came across LMAOO, it is startling though because vance is clearly speaking from experience, that he was literally fucking terrified, and he is warning finney in his own weird way

the thing i think sets vance apart from the other ghosts is that while he does help finney, he does it for a different reason than they do. the other ghosts want finney to escape, to get out, to be free, to live, but personally i dont think vance cares about that. the only thing he wants is for albert shaw to be dead, for someone to seek vengeance, to do what vance couldn't. vance doesn't care if it's bruce or robin or finney or whatever boy could've come after that, he doesnt care as long as that man gets what he deserves after what he put vance through, and i see this through the scene at the end of vance's call where finney thanks him for his help and vance says, and i quote, "helping you? this isn't about you, fuck him! and apologies for being repetitive but to me it just literally proves that to vance, this isnt about finney or his escape, its just about revenge

we dont get to find out what happens to the ghosts once the credits have rolled, and i dont think we quite know enough about tbp's version of ghosts to guess what theyre up to, but i have a few theories :3 maybe theyre no longer bound to those two houses and they can now go anywhere they want in town? or maybe since their shared goal of stopping albert has been achieved, the ghosts can finally pass on to whatever is waiting for them next. i dont think vance would be content to pass on that quickly or easily as anger lingers, but i hope he'd be able to let go of it eventually, and hey we might find out in the sequel. i pray it mentions him cuz i will just die if it doesnt

sometimes, ok thats a lie, frequently i think about an au where he survived or escaped or whatever but ohhhh boy this post is already a train wreck so that au would deserve its own essay of a post :3 if u actually genuinely read this far then Wtf thanks for reading the ramblings of an absolute madman, only pure delusion could get like 20 paragraphs about a guy with 6 minutes screentime but hey thats how i roll, thanks again to my pal gray for letting me rot and thank u to my other pal ana for also enduring all this rot

hope u enjoyed my interpretation of vance hopper im going to crawl in a hole now and probably brainrot some more, thanks again for ur time :3

[genderqueeradrien]

i love ceret but people dismissing their characters and arcs when making neg posts was upsetting to see and ranboo talking thing oh my god. i stutter and repeat myself similarly and it really makes you feel like shit especially when people tag it with crit? like that’s not criticism you’re just an asshole stuttering isnt a character flaw this fandom is just horrible with characters with any mental issues, like the demonization of cwilbur and either hardcore infantilisation of cranboo and making enderwalk violent/evil/mindless i could go on but i don’t want to clog your inbox but this fandom is just not nice to be in and i watched voltron

GOD YOURE COMPLETELY RIGHT BUT ALSO THE LAST LINE TOOK ME OUT. i think everyone who watched voltron should get a million dollars for emotional damages

sooo much of things ppl "criticise" "c!"ranboo for are just. things i do lol like. 💀 the stuttering and repeating myself a lot? i do that. it's so frustrating like youre not criticising his character youre being mean

and yea especially like on the mental illness topic -- this fandom is so bad in both directions when it comes to cwil. like. "he's evil and irredeemable" is a bad take but so is "he's perfect and all his actions can be excused." like just bc hes mentally ill isnt an excuse for things he's done but it also doesn't mean he should be demonized for them. ppl just cant be normal about that guy

and cranboos enderwalk......... (<- he has seen the horrors of mcyttiktok when "ranboo kils michael during enderwalk" was a big headcanon). like maybe its just bc im kin of him but like. there was nothing to indicate he'd be violent towards anyone ESPECIALLY his son in enderwalk. & something something stereotypes about ppl with DID/OSDD.. like. "guy who sometimes has episodes where he's not himself & memory issues & identity issues... well he MUST be evil and bad during those times!" youve just reinvented anti system ableism (<- is there a specific word for that?)

ANYWAY SORRY i wrote like a whole ass essay whoops 😭 tldr Ur so right. i hate this fandom imgoing to watch voltron

[sunieepo]

mgs for that salty ask list

thanks for sending me an ask!! :^D i’m. Going To Do Em All. it’s a Doozy.

What OTPs in your fandom(s) do you just not get? S/olimiller, im just not a big fan of it romantically, i also dont really get how anyone can be attracted to or interested in the romantic escapades of Volgin, and i hate anything het EDIT: I FORGOT ABOUT BB/BOSS I HATE THAT SHIP SO MUCH

Are there any popular fandom OTPs you only BroTP? V/Quiet although i guess that isnt hugely popular since it’s het..? i guess S/olimiller too? i see em as having more of a parental relationship personally

Have you ever unfollowed someone over a fandom opinion? probably? i’ve def muted ppl but i cant rly remember who i’ve unfollowed

Do you have a NoTP in your fandom? Are they a popular OTP? post-TPP bb/kaz is a big no for me, i love pre-TPP bb/kaz a lot ofc tho! i just rly dont see kaz being able to love bb after. tpp, also s/olimiller which i already mentioned not liking and bb/boss

Has fandom ever ruined a pairing for you? nope! i dont like letting fandom ruin things for me i find that. Weak

Has fandom ever made you enjoy a pairing you previously hated? hmm… honestly no? maybe solid snake/raiden bc im v neutral to raiden as a character but when i see ppl post of them it’s kinda valid i think! and also it’s not that i hated this ship but i just didn’t realize it was a thing- paz/quiet!

Is there anything you used to like but can’t stand now? post-TPP bb/kaz

Have you received anon hate? What about? not mgs related!

Most disliked character(s)? Why? volgin, hes just gross. also, johnny s/asaki and r/osemary. i spite johnny for marrying meryl who is clearly a huge lesbian and r/osemary just kinda skeeves me out for being manipulative

Most disliked arc? Why? THE ENTIRETY OF MGS4 IS JUST AWFUL IT’S HANDS DOWN THE WORST MGS GAME STORY-WISE

Is there an unpopular character you like that the fandom doesn’t? Why? NAOMI HUNTER is a complex and interesting character who was treated poorly by a misogynist and shitty narrative in mgs4. her character in mgs1 is legitimately fascinating and i love, love love her ending monologue!! she’s an interesting woman and all yall are just misogynists esp the ppl who hate her “just bc she gets in the way of gay”!! :^(

Is there an unpopular arc that you like that the fandom doesn’t? Why? PEACE WALKER.. its an important and good game and the entire thing with the Boss AI is sooooooo powerful and i just. [inhales] oh my gosh. also it introduces paz and kaz… the Peace Duo… the Meaning of my Life. also i guess MGSV:TPP as a whole is very important to me personally but i do get why people don’t like it

Unpopular opinion about XXX character? KAZHIRA MILLER IS NOT BB’S BATTERED BOTTOM and V is either a bottom or a service top

Unpopular opinion about your fandom? idk ppl complain the fandom is too discourse-y or w/e but it’s a normal amount, idk most fandoms is same, while certain media certainly attract certain types of people, in the end all types of people can do wild, inappropriate things, just like there are some ppl who are great and fun to be around. u just need to find the right friend group! this is true for every fandom and it’s not exclusive to mgs

Unpopular opinion about the manga/show? n/a

If you could change anything in the show, what would you change? n/a

Instead of XYZ happening, I would have made ABC happen… i would have changed p much Everything with the last third of mgsv:tpp but we all know this already. also i would use my giant brain to prevent MGS4 from happening and also Destroy the gray fox retcon in MG:PO

Does not shipping something ‘popular’ mean you’re in denial and/or biased? yes. please stop caring what other people think

What is the one thing you hate most about your fandom? horny on main. which to be fair the game series itself… is horny on main. im not saying u cant be horny on main but damn either warn for it in ur bio or tag it Blease,

What is the purest ship in the fandom? ota/sune!

What are your thoughts on crack ships? none, i dont usually gravitate towards them much unless they’re f/f like paz/quiet

Popular character you hate? raiden- i dont hate him, im just intensely neutral towards him

Unpopular character you love? naomi hunter

Would you recommend XXX to a friend? Why or why not? yes. it is subversive, interesting, and shows the potential of video games as a storytelling medium. in particular i would rec mgs1, 2, and 3.

How would you end XXX/Would you change the ending of XXX? I WOULD PROBABLY CHANGE EVERYTHING ABOUT THE END OF MGSV:TPP AND ABSOLUTELY DEMOLISH MGS4 AS A CONCLUSION OF DAVESNAKE’S CHARACTER ARC. the end of mgs1 completes davesnake’s growth perfectly and he does NOT need to keep fighting after that and i hate that he keeps getting dragged into shit lol

Most shippable character? davesnake… he goes well with so many ppl… otacon… gray fox… raiden… he’s just a good egg

Least shippable character? volgin.

[finn-shitposts]

Just a random l*ki rant so i get the annoyance out my head dont rb lmao

Obviously this post isnt about every loki stan i just keep seeing posts that piss me off so i had to yell. This is a bit generalized but know its probably not aimed at you, its at a small but loud minority of frustrating marvel stans

You know im over it, im done lookin for memes and gifs to rb after each episode cos everyones arguing so much sksksk

Like a solid chunk is alligator memes and pretty gifsets which is nicr but theres just so much twitter flavoured arguing and like opinion based arguements cloaked as morality that i jsut. H.

For me, id be just as happy seeing loki find recognition and self love through sylvie and learn that hes capable of change from mobius then remain platonic them both as Id be seeing him date either or both of them (ot3 usually solves all problems for me). I just enjoy the way the interpersonal bonds are written between them all no matter the flavour of it yknow sksksk?

But people online are calling it disgusting to even ship sylvie and loki for either "heteronormativity cos bisexual ppl that come out on screen should date ppl of the same gender or theyre not really bi after all" (as a bi man. This is just utter bullshit im too tired to get into it) or "i interpret them as siblings so if you ship them youre automaitcally into incest" and im sat here w past trauma regarding that like. Hm. Really bad take just an awful take guys. Like i get that most relationships or bonds are forced into het romances 90% on tv and its frustrating when all you want is a friendship or a siblinf type relationship but like you can express that without sending death threats to the actors and yelling at casual watchers who kinda like the ship. Plus yall gotta stop playing the 'its more moral to ship mobius and loki, cos theyre not siblings' bitch neither are loki and sylvie theyre the same person, not related and also clearly distinct individuals only with similar experienves. You can dislike somethinf and just say you dislike it you dont have to assign a moral righteousness to it.

Also i shipped loki and mobius before i did sylvie and loki, and i love them equally but like. Do you ever get the thing where when you were younger and had gay ships that were massively popular in fandom and it was super fun but then like 4 years later when you actually come out as queer youre like huh, the fanon surrounding that ship was mostly made by straight 15yr old girls that found mlm hot and its not Great. Cos i just get annoyed reading deep analysis posts like "when sylvie is mentioned loki doesnt react he clearly doesnt like her much but when mobius is mentioned here are all his micro reactions and the meanings of it that prove that theyre in love" and like. I get reading into subtext and i get wanting canon gay ships, I mean i fucking put up w supernatural skskksks but this is bordering more on the vibes of like when ppl ship idk like idols/rpf and read way too much into every glance and find any way to dismiss and explain away the actual person theyre dating irl? Or like when you read fanfics where someone clearly hates a female character just cos she gets in the way of their fave gay ship and you just have to sigh like guys. Please.

All this being said, i ship lokius i love mr dilf owen wilson i just get frustrated that people have to shit on one character or relationship to uplift their faves, pls can we not all just get along and be civil i beg this isnt twitter act normal. What am i saying these are marvel stans ,.

Anyway from now im just gonna enjoy loki on my own and sit with my personal thoughts and headcanons without checking tumblr cos yall are acting like twitter and its unbearable, i dont need that in my life. Like I thought itd be fun cos tumblr is usually all about selfcest and poly ships and whatnot but yall are just spewing bad takes lmao

Ill be memeless but ill be much happier not getting pissed off at every third post on the tag, im just gonna ship loki/mobius/sylvie in my own corner and avoid the internet on wednesdays, ✌️