#orv the punisher

[melanchoise]

mm unisher

[orphiclovers]

So, the implicit textual reason that Yoo Joonghyuk categorically does not want to show Kim Dokja his Punisher form is because he thinks Kim Dokja will simp for the hot lady version right.

Because he's fine competing and turning into a woman in front of a massive audience of constellations and incarnations, he's fine showing the transformation to BTSSS (the only thing he says is 'DON'T TELL KIM DOKJA') and even another kimcom member, Yoo Sangah.

It really looks like his only problem is Kim Dokja specifically seeing it. And what reason could there be for that EXCEPT that Kim Dokja will inevitably be attracted to him. Again, he's not the type of guy to go 'AURGHH YOU DARE TO MENTION THIS I'LL KILL YOU!!' his masculinity isn't potrayed as made fragile here at any point and it would be unjustified by the text to assume this.

Anyway, he's right about KDJ's simpery of course, but just imagine if we got YJH POV of this all and got to see him think 'he would want to fuck me as a woman' about his buddy bro KDJ. Hilarious. Canonical.

[7clubs]

if you look at my calendar every day says "yoohankim" on it

[cinrel]

[nutler--kleinja]

i love how orv has everything but happiness, like mpreg? we got it. trans rep? we got it. genderfluid rep? we got it. furries? we got it. self insert au? we got it. celebrity au? we got it. ancient dieties? we got it. genderbend au? we got it. dumpling shapeshifting? we got it. corossovers? we got it. alpha dynamics? we got it. reaction au? we got it.(eh close enough sp exists)

happiness? dont got it

[almond-gallery]

i think yjh really likes that she can pick up hsy and kdj anytime she wants for whatever reason

[skathyr]

Sometimes I feel bad for Kim dokja, it can’t be easy always having the hottest companions around

[ririban]

You know, I kinda think that Kim Dokja had actually recognized Yoo Joonghyuk as the Punisher, if not at the beginning then at least later on, but he just… convinced himself that the two couldn’t possibly be the same. Because he considers the notion of Yoo Joonghyuk becoming a girl to be something that’s impossible. We see that early on when he met Kim Namwoon in the Underworld in chapter 113:

The Delusional Demon Kim Namwoon reflecting was as impossible as Yoo Joonghyuk becoming a girl.

Of course, Kim Namwoon was confirmed to be telling the truth about reflecting on himself right away (which was a really good foreshadowing for the Punisher, lol), but Kim Dokja still has a hard time believing it because it’s just something he considers to not be possible. And he puts Yoo Joonghyuk becoming a girl at the same level. That’s how impossible it is to him. Later on, he even says this in chapter 251:

A strange feeling entered my heart. Perhaps? I had a thought but it wasn't possible. It was impossible for such a thing to come true, no matter how I thought about it.

This is right after Aileen told him that the Punisher had disappeared at the same time Yoo Joonghyuk had departed with him. While he did momentarily consider the notion of the Punisher and Yoo Joonghyuk being the same being, he dismissed it as he was still convinced that it’s impossible. And this is at a point when not only has his favorite novel become reality, but he also knows that his male ex-boss had gotten pregnant and given birth. And even in the midst of all that, even with everything he’s seen possible under the Star Stream, the idea of Yoo Joonghyuk becoming a girl is still inconceivable to him.

Now that we have seen just how deeply convinced Kim Dokja is that Yoo Joonghyuk and the Punisher cannot be the same, let’s have a look at something else. Namely, Yoo Sangah’s POV in chapter 267:

A dazzling aura burst from Yoo Joonghyuk's body. Soft hair poured down like a waterfall while his large size became a smaller and sleeker body. He took the form that allowed him to practice the ultimate Breaking the Sky Swordsmanship. Yoo Sangah stared at the scene from behind and couldn't help opening her mouth. “…Yoo Joonghyuk-ssi?”

Yoo Joonghyuk slowly turned back, his long hair cut off by the Black Heavenly Demon Sword. The lines of the face had changed but it was clearly Yoo Joonghyuk. No, it was even more than before. Yoo Joonghyuk's gaze stayed on Kim Dokja's face for a moment.

Yoo Joonghyuk transformed into his female form during the 73rd Demon Realm’s demon king selection and Yoo Sangah witnessed the scene. The lines of the face had changed but it was clearly Yoo Joonghyuk—even in his female form, he is recognisably still Yoo Joonghyuk. Sure, early on the people at the now Yoo Joonghyuk - Kim Dokja industrial complex didn’t clock the Punisher as female Yoo Joonghyuk either, but they also weren’t too familiar with his looks at that point. That’s not the case with Yoo Sangah, and definitely not the case with Kim Dokja. Another point to note is how it’s mentioned that Yoo Joonghyuk has a smaller body in this form—a different skeletal structure, so to speak.

Now finally, there’s this bit in chapter 269 when Kim Dokja carries the dying Yoo Joonghyuk away from Surya and the other constellations:

Yoo Joonghyuk was barely breathing. The weight of his body was lighter than usual. He had suffered such severe pain that even the skeleton of his body seemed changed.

The bit I want to focus on here is “even the skeleton of his body seemed changed”. As mentioned, Yoo Joonghyuk has a smaller skeleton in his female form. So he’s a girl at this point. The main difference in his appearance at this point compared to the Punisher who Kim Dokja saw previously is that Yoo Joonghyuk cut his hair. And Kim Dokja recognised him. Even if he hadn’t actually subconsciously figured out who the mysterious Punisher was prior to this, he was definitely able to recognise Yoo Joonghyuk in his female form at this moment.

So the main conclusions here are that Yoo Joonghyuk is very much recognizable in his female form and that Kim Dokja is capable of recognizing him simply with a haircut. So I personally believe that Kim Dokja was fully capable of knowing that Yoo Joonghyuk = the Punisher, but he was just so adamant about Yoo Joonghyuk turning into a girl to be something completely impossible that he made himself believe that the two were different people.

[auuwmk]

happy yuri day

Punisher ver under the cut!!

[kartonidze]

sketches

[everyones-least-favorite-bard]

on the subject of yjh transgenderism: if i said something about yjh sort of having to be a man for the purposes of wos being what kdj could latch onto to survive because the most significant woman in kdjs life was also (to him at this point) a point of focused, projected self-loathing, but the most significant man was so singularly awful that he had functionally blacked him out and so yjh could step into that place of pseudo freudian Important Male Role Model without much trouble and so yjh was essentially performing masculinity for the sake of kdj and SO. a yjh at the end of orv/wos/scenarios/epilogues/whatever should (from a thematic standpoint) at the very least explore gender as it applies to them personally vs what hsy and kdj needed at a given time what then. what then

[evelinadodge]

They're married your honor

[orphiclovers]

Actually, I'm not giving Kim Dokja a pass for the Punisher thing.

Persephone took on Yoo Joonghyuk's form and then in front of Kim Dokja's two good Christian eyes grew long hair & pair of tits to transform into the Punisher and not a SINGLE synapse in his brain fired in recognition. This level of oblivousness takes actual effort. It's sort of impressive.

[7clubs]

orv doodles. you know how it is

more yoohankim below cut (very mild nudity)

[cinrel]

[fiftypiercings]

why are reddit ppl under the notion that joonghyuk didn't like his punisher form? I mean have you seen this guy? have you seen his antics? this is a CRITICAL case of 'I wanted to be a pretty princess all my life'