#qkty 4w3

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What do you think about quackity love-bombing tendency? It was being talked about in triquery

Oooh I'm gonna want to link this on my blog as well, good post.

I think that Q is genuinely a very emotional person who probably does idealise people and sees what's unique about them quickly. When Q sees something/someone he sees value in, I think somewhere between his sentiment and his ambition he sees the value of 'going for it.'

I'll be transparent around my angle here, as someone who runs on the emotionally drier side I feel like sometimes people can be blind to how 'emotional' people, even when very sincere and flattering, don't always default to selflessness. In fact, sometimes it's the opposite, but it's harder to spot since it's underneath a lot of what looks like vulnerability. There's also no rule against paradoxes, saying that you want the best for someone and then trying to finesse the best results for yourself from the side because both of those thought feel good and seem right subjectively.

When I was digging through some reading for other purposes, I came across a funky little data set with some interesting outcomes. It mentioned that on average, Fours are likely to have intense but short term relationships-- Which I would not have guessed on my own but seems to make sense as a wider social pattern, burning bright and fast when all your nerves are exposed. They also report that they can be quite happy single, which seems to match with the hard on and off pattern that Triquery outlined.

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Any updates or changes thoughts on Quackity (and his personality type)?

Him being an ambitious 4w3 persists, but I've become more skeptical of what he's willing to do to reach those ambitions and his complex relationship to sincerity (since he's got a fawning thing and a flattery habit.) I don't keep up with him directly anymore so I can't say much further than that in a general sense.

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This post is going to go into why I typed Quackity as a Four wing Three instead of a Three wing Four, inspired by a message I got a little bit ago over chat. This post is going to walk so a TNTduo post down the road can run.

3w4 and 4w3 can be difficult to pick out sometimes, and there are still some people that float in that gap for me. Their motivations on paper can also look quite similar, so making the call can be hard. The big tell is usually how the core types relate to their emotions, and in what ways that their feelings can drive them when they’re around mid-range health.

Quackity never leaves home without his whole ass heart. His streamer persona isn’t just a mask, it’s a full-on self state that he occupies which lets him react viscerally and sincerely to the things around him. Fours are naturally inclined to be in touch with their emotions most of the time, and with the added Three wing, Quackity is always on the lookout to align his work ethic with the thing that feels right.

By contrast, under the right (wrong?) circumstances, type Threes can actually become very divorced from their own emotions, either losing awareness of them or compartmentalising them under masks made to achieve what they think they must. Threes can take on a bit of a dissociated quality over time, burying authentic emotions and ‘doing’ fake ones to reach a goal. This can make them better at diplomacy, but it makes it harder for them to be fully authentic and sincere. Even 3w4’s tend to make more fleeting contact with their feelings, ‘checking in’ with authenticity & emotions when alone but in a bit more of a ‘mission mindset’ in public.

Now we’ve got a whole problem in society where emotions and ‘intelligence’ are seen to be on opposite ends of a spectrum, so I must disclaim that leading with emotionality doesn’t mean that Q isn’t smart. He’s got a strong set of instincts on top of his intelligence, and the two flow into each other well. His heart tells him what to pay attention to, and his head lets him figure out how to get it done.

A clunky but solid shorthand way to understand type Four is they can lead with their “Right Brain” (metaphorically)—they don’t use these functions exclusively, but they have a unique connection to the things most commonly associated with what the ‘Right Brain’ is meant to be- emotions, shapes, vibes, things more likely to come out in art and nonverbal expression. Even when they’re speaking, you can usually hear the subtlety of their feelings in the words that they’re saying (more than most.)  They’re concerned with authenticity, which can make them introspective and prone to rumination, which has room to go wrong if the emotional landscape gets dark.

Quackity’s got a heavy Three wing, considering his work ethic and his career. He’s a streamer and a law student, I love a stubborn bastard. He works his ass off to get what he wants, and doesn’t like to cut corners, trying to get things as close to his vision as possible. He’s passionate and contrarian, liking to push against when people either say or imply he can’t achieve something.

Fours are talked about as ‘withdrawing’ types, often associated with privacy and sensitivity to compliment a rich inner life. An interesting way that has manifested for Q is that while he is a public figure, he’s got a stranglehold on his privacy. Even among friends, if Q doesn’t offer the information himself, other people don’t know things about him even if they ask. One of the nuggets that we do get to know about his withdrawn time is he likes the meditative part of driving, going places just because.

Q will not do something (including streaming) if it doesn’t feel right, and he’s got a whim of steel. He’ll also dig his heels in ten times harder if people are trying to get him to do something that he doesn’t want to do. Still, he’s got the passion and the will to put himself out there, finding ways to engage with the world and get the most out of it, marrying ambition and authenticity.

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As a 4w3 I would love a breakdown on quackity and his relationship with Wilbur, I do think it’s interesting as a 3w4 and a 4w3 they are really similar in a lot of ways

Quackity is a Four with a heavy Three wing, and Wilbur is a Three with a heavy Four wing. They share a lot of common ground on paper, but they’ve clearly turned out very different.

They’re both big individualist artists who crave distinction and success. As touched on a bit previously, Quackity has more consistent contact with his emotions than Wilbur, although they’re both influenced by them quite heavily. They both have a drive for recognition and a hope to connect with people through their work. There’s even some overlap in wanting to prove something to themselves with their own success, wanting to feel like they can make an impact on the world with their efforts.

These two don’t seem to be outstandingly close friendship-wise but they’re good collaborators who have a lot of respect for each others work. Wilbur has talent scout instincts, and it doesn’t take much to see how much raw creativity and talent that Quackity brings to the table. Quackity sees the vision and the drive in Wilbur, respecting his skills as a writer and ideas-man.

They have a somewhat different approach when it comes to people. Quackity has different modes but he definitely wants to be authentically seen, while Wilbur is a bit more of a chameleon and can show people what he thinks best suits the situation. Wilbur isn’t always in impression-management headspace though, and will often have moments of impulsive self-disclosure, so it evens out.

Despite core Three-ness, Wilbur is still an individual who is subject to his individual ‘quirks’, like the abrasive sense of humor that he tries to pass off as just being English. I feel the need to call this trait out in particular because it is both an example and an exception to his concern with being charming—he’s compelled to make jokes but he fails to notice when he’s just offloading angst onto somebody else until after. Quackity is emotionally aware and transparent enough to have been like “fuckin cut it out” to some of Wilbur’s more abrasive social ticks (negging his stream, ect.) when he tried them with Quackity. Frankly Wilbur is thankful to be given the chance to clean up his impressions with the people he’s trying to win over, so this was positive for him.

Quackity is fluent in vibe, that is his true first language. Quackity will notice when Wilbur's actions don’t match his feelings or his words. How he chooses to handle this information is up to him, since he does tend to be forgiving and optimistic about Wilbur, but there are a lot of little tricks Wilbur uses that won’t work as well as he might hope with Quackity. Quackity wants to be on good terms with him so it’s not like Wilbur is holding on for dear life to someone who is retreating, but it does put Wilbur in a bit of a balancing act with his nature, trying to repress The Bad Ticks while remaining authentic.

Both of them seem to want to be closer or at least have a curiosity about eachother, but time will tell if they follow through on that impulse.

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mage mage wilbur talked about enneagrams on phil's stream

according to wilbur "phil is the biggest 6 you'll ever meet" because he's "all about emergency exits, security and always having a way out"

wilbur also mentioned that he and quackity were 3s and kristin is a 2

- technoposting

God I remember him offhandedly saying that Phil was a Six before with the most confidence and having to pause to take a breather-- this is what happens when we don’t talk about counterphobia in Sixes we get Nines as collateral OTL. Like homie I don’t know how to say this but that’s trauma holdover from a rough childhood not being a Six. I’m standing firm on Phil being a very dad-friend flavored Nine.

He’s forgiven for thinking that Q is a Three because people don’t talk about how ambitious Fours can get. I wrote here on why it’s important that he’s a core Four and I used this ask as a bit of a  comparing and contrasting piece.

Kristin is a Two with a Three wing though I will co-sign that, I never brought it up before but that’s a big part of her vibe to me.

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HELLO PAGING DOCTOR ENNEAWIZARD

so, a lot of the time, i wonder what happened with schlatt and quackity. i'm sure it's all fine and that they're on decent (probably distant) terms, but, ya know ... 🤔

anyway, it makes me think, since the enneagram institute's description of 8+4 relationships is ... interesting.

the darker parts of the write-up reminds me a lot of their respective characters during the old manburg days. like, not the CCs, but the characters.

it's weird and kind of funny how even though their on-screen CC relationship barely resembled those parts, when schlatt and quackity were both like "let's be as toxic as possible in minecraft as a joke" ... THAT'S the way it manifested.

food for thought!

Ah, I see you found the “well, someone is feeling brave” 8/4 entry as foreboding/funny as I did. Compatibility lists try to play it neutral but occasionally you get a gem like that. I can see why in the abstract, but the good news is I feel like Q and Schlatt are just friends that come and go in phases rather than subject to real explosive blowouts. It seems more likely that it was introversion and natural work-related drift than anything sinister. Q also likes to keep his friendships to himself before he makes content with people so he might be smuggling some Schlatt here and there behind the scenes.

Play-Fighting during lore and being someone’s villain is such a trust-fall thing that the irony is c!schlackity proves how stable their friendship was. They were both able to take the full heat of the other and be like “this is fun :D.” Being allowed to come and go probably prevents the hyper-intense energy that the 4/8 relationship models talk about, so they seem safe from it this way.

If I’ve got my secondhand irl lore right they were quite close for a while, but the thing that brought them together was Quackity being ostracised, so the conditions around their relationship changing might have even been positive. If they were to fight, I don’t know what they would have fought about since they’ve both got such a well defined private streak. It’s not impossible that there was some friction, but I haven’t caught wind of any evidence for it.

Below the break I’m copy-pasting a long section from this website because the romance writeup is… unprecedented.  

Romantically, there is much potential for these two to feel deeply, if not dangerously, attracted to one another. As volatile, emotionally expressed people, these two are drawn to one another’s storminess and raw vulnerability. In the other, they see someone who possesses more than meets the eye. Additionally, both Fours and Eights have a very embodied and heartfelt intuition, which usually becomes activated in each other’s presence. Fours have a heightened sense of their own and others’ deeper feelings, while Eights have an accurate radar about external phenomena unfolding around them—together, these two can feel supercharged, as if they possess superhuman abilities. Full of passion, and often ruled by more impulsive tendencies, these two take on the world one thrill at a time, savoring the heightened sense of their aliveness they feel when together. They feel excited, wild, and turned on, which can lead to great passion, but also great recklessness. Fours are attracted to Eight’s strength and protective nature—Fours feel safe, nurtured, and cherished by the solid, practical, grounded Eight. Eights, on the other hand, are attracted to Four’s mysterious, hidden depths, and feel continually enticed by the inner world of this person they may never fully understand. They are both attracted to the feeling of being emotionally met by the other, as if at last here is someone who can not only handle them but also enjoy the ride with them. While thrilling, this natural vitality can also have painful consequences. When their need for (and love of) drama turns on each other and conflict arises, their genuine connection becomes engulfed in argumentative fighting (and possibly physical violence), and typically remains there. Because of their addiction to intensity, if their loving relationship burns away in favor of a more hostile one, these two will usually stay locked in fiery fighting to continue to feel some way toward one another. Fighting can become a standard way of communicating. Also, of course, every fight needs some resolution, the intensity of which can also draw these two in. Lured by the immediacy and the drama, these two can get stuck in a cycle of fighting and making up, fighting and making up, just because life is more exciting that way. There is also a high probability they turn to emotional manipulation as a means of controlling one another. Fours can become withholding and secretive, while Eights can become verbally aggressive. These two will enjoy the thrill of causing scenes in public, and will often put their problems on display as a way of baiting the other. This is the most passionate coupling of the Enneagram, but also the most likely to deteriorate into verbal and physical abuse. Often, after a particular high-level emotional pitch has been reached, these two will feel like they can’t help themselves: the abuse, the drama, the constant fighting are merely out of their control. They know they should stop, but just can’t. Their passionate feelings turn into ruinously impulsive actions, intensely personal pain, and obsession.

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can u elaborate on qnf or just alex ingeneral please …

I just realised that nobody actually asked about romantic QNF but it got put on the list anyway so here’s a mild boyfriend forecast because you can usually extrapolate the friendship landscape from the more intense version.  

I was actually surprised how well the Four and Nine profiles seemed to nail their connection. If you add some hyped-up yelling to this introduction paragraph you’ve got a pretty good overview of what makes them meld.

This can be, paradoxically, both a very comfortable—and yet exciting—relationship pair. Enneagram Fours and Nines are both withdrawn and private, sensitive to the feelings and needs of the other, and empathetic to the suffering of others. Both can be tender-hearted and highly sympathetic to the suffering that they find in the world and in each other. Both want to find a deep connection with the other, and yet, both also want a certain degree of autonomy and insist on a very real degree of privacy. Both Fours and Nines can be highly creative, and as a pair they enthusiastically support the other's creativity and give the other a good deal of space in which to develop their talents. Both are idealistic and want to connect deeply with someone, feeling that they are on a search for their soul mate, the one person in the world with whom they can completely connect and be themselves.

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Just take that energy and make it louder and you've got these two. George and Q enable eachother to get hyped up on stream by being in an emotional state of "yes, and" with eachother.

These two mesh very well and their boundaries as friends keep them from turning anything sour. If Quackity was George's primary social support, things might get bitter due to the difference in their motivation and how they handle it. Inversely, George may be unsure if Q would stick around during hard times or if his preference for agency and upward movement would cause them to drift apart. As a platonic pair this is a non-issue though, so they're only in trouble in a monogamous-romantic hypothetical.

The Four and Nine profile made me laugh because not all types get an ‘intimacy’ shoutout in the main profile, but these two (Technically any Q + Nine setup) are an exception.

Both Fours and Nines also bring a sensuality and love of comfort that is noteworthy; this may express itself in their lifestyle, traveling habits, and in their sexual and other intimate activities. This is a couple that likes to stay in bed all Sunday morning, reading the papers and talking. Each brings passion and an appreciation of the other coupled with a desire to be comfortable and build a life with the other. Fours can make Nines become more intense and expressive about how they feel, while Nines can allow Fours to feel understood and accepted for who they are. Fours are good at naming feelings and pinpointing emotional states; Nines are good at creating an atmosphere of nonjudgmental acceptance, Nines may even enjoy the emotional storms and dramas that Fours occasionally get into, feeling that it adds spice to their life together. A lot of the pleasure and passion of this couple is nonverbal in the depth of the understanding that each has for the other.

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honestly it makes me think that quackity is the only one who achieved what wilbur couldn't about getting close to george but dnfrs will kill me for this but i think their friendship is also healthier than dnf. Qnf friendship seems more balanced to me (although I think George stopped talking to Quackty for a while too, which I find sad)

‘Healthy’ is always going to be relative when comparing apples and oranges since Q and George are in a very interesting episodic dance with each other, rather than the 24/7 flow of DNF. You probably wouldn’t think that quietness would matter to people who are so known for being off the shits, but the fact that they both give each other room to authentically come forward and withdraw makes all the difference to them.

I don’t think they stopped talking in a serious way during George’s down time, but when it comes to taking breaks Quackity is usually just as likely to be unavailable. Q likes to have maximum autonomy, and one of the things that might keep him and George from being closer might be that Q doesn’t enmesh in the way that George finds familiar.

Part of QNF being balanced is that Q is not into the parts of George that want to be taken care of. George’s lack of motivation is just baffling to Quackity and might get volatile if they were to move any closer. They’re great in other respects (QNF post coming later) but George is always half of his relationships, so sometimes the friction comes from the man himself.

Quackity tends to prefer that his friendships are not always up for consumption in the way that some other streamers are more neutral to positive about. He’s likely to want to connect with people and hang out off stream, which may have been where he and George were when they weren’t interacting in public.  

(Also judging from the wine stream you’re right on the money, Wilbur made a funny little throwaway comment that signals to me that he wants what Q and George have with each other.)