#rika doesn't technically know how old she is either

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One major factor that can make it confusing for players is the difference between the international age and Korean age. Because the international age will be less than their Korean age. The Korean age will always be one to two years older than the age we would consider them to be internationally. Like, Yoosung being 20 internationally but 21 in Korean age is a good example. That's due to the fact that everyone has another year added to their age at the time of the new year.

Another Story takes place a year and some change before Casual or Deep Route. We know that much since it says so at the beginning in the prologue as it designates time. That means everybody would be one year younger than they are in those routes. At least, they should be. It would mean that Yoosung would be 19 intentionally but his Korean age would be 20. If we used that same placement of time to apply to the twins with their original age, Saeyoung is introduced to us in CS/DP as 21 international and 22 in Korean. If it were the same logic, his age then would be about 20/21 respectively. It's the same for Saeran.

There are many things we can apply to find an answer. There is a chance that the boys do not know how old they actually are. There's also a chance they don't know if their identity actually matches up with who they are. Saeran might not be Saeran and Saeyoung might not be Saeyoung. Do any of us think that their mother would have cared to figure it out? It's not like Mother Choi would have been celebrating their birthday. I'm surprised they even know the day they were born on this Earth, but I know the only reason they know is because their mother would make a point of making that day a living hell for them, so, of course, they know what it is.

So, there is one chance that they don't know how old they are and they just have to guesstimate the exact age. It's not like you could tell how old they are in flashbacks because they were suffering from malnutrition as children and it stunted their growth in some capacity. That is the only explanation for why they would look like they were 10 when they were actually closer to 13 or 14 when V and Rika came around. We can't guess what they are just by looking at them because of the art style.

Now, if we just want to take the information given to us at the end of Ray Route, 22 years from that point would roughly be close to the time Mother Choi became pregnant, but not close enough for her to be pregnant. If the twins are meant to be at the age of 20, that's two extra years that aren't all accounted for. So, that would make them 22/23 in Another Story if we used that to gauge their ages in Another Story. In turn, that would mean Saeyoung and Saeran are actually 24/25 in Casual and Deep Route. But, again, they have no way of knowing how old they actually are.

They know their birthday but that doesn't mean they know their age. By the time they would have been aware of that as a concept, it would be much later in their lives. The twins aren't getting quality or even subpar education from their mother. Neither of them learn how to read or write properly until the time Saeyoung goes to the cathedral which is in his preteen years. They know a little but not a lot until that point. They just have to make an educated guess. If this is the case, I feel as though Saeyoung probably took an approximate gas depending on what kind of donations he could receive from the church depending on how old or young he was and just ran with it from that point. So he might have underestimated the age a little bit. I can't blame him for that since he has no idea.

A lame answer is that it is a possible mistake on Cheeitz' part. It wouldn't be the first time there was a continuity error that happened because writers didn't communicate face to face or there was a minor translation error somewhere in the process and something got bungled. That's the realistic thing to think about but it's not the most fun to consider. But I will point it out since it is the most viable option here.

From the OS prologue, call with Ray in AS day 2, and Ray good ending, respectively.

So, did Saeyoung lie about his age initially or did cheritz forget how old the twins are? Because if AS is two years before OS the would make the twins 20 in AS (or 23 in OS if Ray has it right).

[gamerwoo]

Omg please continue the Minghao and Jia drabble if you still want to, I love their lore so much!!

pfft well if ur gonna twist my arm i suppose i will ��

(i was waiting for someone to ask)

this is kinda rushed though because i didn't want to forget the idea and i poorly scribbled it down somewhere lmao. sorry if it kinda sucks <3

part 1 | tftp masterlist

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"So that's how you found him?" Suvi giggled, thinking Jia and Minghao's story was the cutest love story she could've ever heard. "I can't believe it was right when Lilly died -- talk about fate!"

"It was pretty perfect timing," Danbi nodded. "Obviously everyone was really distraught, but Minghao had his mate there for him. I guess he would always tell the pack that she saved his life."

"Yup," Jia laughed softly. "Doesn't let me forget it."

"Hang on," Jooyeon interrupted, staring at Jia intensely. She had even leaned forward as she listened to the blind girl's story because she was so invested, "so what happened with XiuXiu?"

The girls were staying at Hanbin's place with the other mates while all the wolves were hanging out together at some secret werewolf-only speakeasy that Hanbin and his pack went out to from time to time. It wasn't often just the girls got to hang out together, and it was even more rare that they got to spend any time with the girls from Kyung's old pack. But all the boys wanted to get together before Minghao and Junhui's annual trip back to China. And this year, they were taking Jia with them.

The conversation originally began with Ari curiously asking what had happened to the rest of Hanbin's pack. Eunjin had screamed her head off as soon as she was on the property, which of course, startled everyone, so Hanbin had mentioned offhandedly that a lot of their pack had passed away before he went out with the other wolves. Ari being Ari, was curious and didn't know any better to have a filter, but the girls explained most of what happened.

That is, until they got sidetracked. Kyung talked about how Taejin was lured to his death by his mate, and Yeji had jokingly said, "Jia, imagine if Minghao had lured you to your death, huh?"

So that sparked the question of how did Minghao and Jia even meet since it happened in a dream.

"Or June!" Jimin added on.

Jia merely shrugged, "I don't know. I never saw either of them again."

"What?!" the thief whined. "No way! You have to know what happened to at least June!"

"What a shitty ending..." Kyung muttered.

"Do you think I'd see any clues as to where June went?" Jia laughed. "I'm blind."

"I can't believe we're just left on a cliffhanger like that," Seongmi sighed.

"How do you think I feel? It really makes me sad... I hope she's doing well, wherever she is."

"Why would she be the first dream you ever entered, though?" Soomin wondered. "It's so random..."

Rika shrugged, "Sometimes life doesn't give us answers."

"If you're Rinnie," Jimin was watching Kyung whisper translations in Cooper's ear, "it rarely ever does."

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The boat ride wasn't Jia's favorite. She hadn't been on a boat since she had to flee when she was a child, so she didn't really remember the experience. She realized just how awful being stranded in the middle of the ocean on an unfamiliar vessel with a bunch of strangers was when you couldn't see anything.

Even if she could see, she was sure she would hate it.

"My parents are old," Minghao warned her. "They won't want to go out and explore with us. They're tired pretty often."

"That's okay," she assured him with a smile. "I'm excited to meet them no matter what."

"You think having old parents is bad?" Jun scoffed. "My baby brother looks older than me."

Appearance-wise, Jun and Minghao looked like they were in their 20's. And their bodies technically were. That was around the age that they stopped getting older until they met their mates. Minghao started aging again as soon as he met his mate -- physically, of course. Junhui was still stuck.

But despite their young appearances, they were both over 40 years older than they appeared. So both of their parents were much older than one might expect, and any younger relatives they had appeared to be older than them now.

On the way to Minghao's old house, he explained how he ran away from home as soon as he realized what he was. But he said his parents went out looking for him and wouldn't stop until they found him. He admitted what he was and ran away before either of them could accept him or turn him away. He just wanted to protect them Then he ended up finding Soonyoung, so he went off with him and never looked back.

"I was really close with my cousin, Yaling," he told you. "We were basically like siblings, so I told her to take care of my parents before I left. She tried to convince me to stay, but I knew how dangerous it was."

Jun was the one to convince him to return home half a decade later. Since he went to visit his mom, Minghao would often wonder aloud how his own family was doing, so finally, the older wolf coaxed Minghao into going with him. And that was when he realized his family had been searching for him the whole time.

"They put up missing persons pictures using a couple photos of me from family photo albums," Minghao chuckled at the memory. "It was crazy because it was five years later and I still looked like that."

Looking back, Minghao felt lucky that he reunited with his family so he could watch them grow and get old. It was bittersweet getting to see his parents gray while he stayed the same. He was grateful to still be loved by them so he could experience them getting older, but it hurt that he couldn't age with them.

But then there were happy moments, like watching his relatives that he grew up with -- like Yaling -- get married and have families.

"The Xu family reunion is huge," Junhui stated with a laugh. "Everyone shows up to see Hao."

Just as Jun promised, Minghao's parents' house was full to capacity when the trio arrived. While Jia couldn't see all the people, she could hear the commotion. It was overwhelming, but she put on her warmest smile and let the two wolves help her around as they introduced her to his family.

It was as Minghao was introducing her to his parents and Yaling that his mother was interrupted.

"Jia?" a female voice asked.

Jia's eyes wandered, her head turning toward the noise. She waited to hear something else, but all she heard was soft footsteps getting closer until they stopped in front of her.

"Your eyes look the same," the girl giggled excitedly.

Her head cocked to one side, "I-I'm sorry?"

"Xiuying, what are you talking about?" he asked her.

"I know her," she insisted before looking at Jia again. "Don't you remember?"

Minghao paused while he thought, and then his eyes seemed to brighten, "You two are about the same age. But if she knew you before she moved away... XiuXiu, she's blind now."

Jia's eyes suddenly widened and her entire body seemed to perk up.

"XiuXiu?"

"Jia!" she laughed again before throwing her arms around Jia.

Jia let go of Minghao's arm to hug her back, a smile so big spreading across her face that it made her eyes close.

Minghao looked to Junhui first, both boys sharing confused looks before he turned to Yaling for answers. Somehow, his cousin looked like she knew exactly what was going on and she was shocked.

"Did you know?" Minghao asked her.

"I-- ...I thought Jia was imaginary..." was all she said.

"XiuXiu's dreams were the first I ever entered," Jia explained once the two girls pulled away. "Aside from my dad's, of course. I only ever saw her dreams up until I had to leave home."

"I was wondering where you went!" Xiuying was still laughing -- out of both excitement, joy, and shock.

"XiuXiu cried for days," Yaling nodded. Then she imitated her wailing of, "'Where's Jia! I miss Jia!'"

The rest of the reunion was sweet and happy. Everyone was excited to see Minghao and meet his mate, and the two girls were practically inseparable. But somehow, it seemed to make his parents even more fond of Jia -- although, it was hard to not be fond of her in the first place.

That night, after everyone had gone home and Minghao's family retreated into the own rooms and made sure Jun was settled in the guest room, Minghao and Jia curled up together in Minghao's old room that his family kept for him. And as they were winding down, of course Minghao had to bring up his mate's history with his 'niece'.

"How come you never mentioned XiuXiu?" he asked.

Jia shrugged as she pulled the covers up, "It seemed a little pointless. I obviously wouldn't expect you to know who she was, so why would I mention the random little girl I used to visit?

"Actually, what about you?" she asked with a frown, turning it around on her mate. "How come you never mentioned XiuXiu talking about a Jia?"

He chuckled, "Because Jia isn't an uncommon name, and I never heard about a Jia after Xiuying got older. I figured it really was just an imaginary friend like everyone else. Plus, I only saw her once a year so her Jia never really stuck with me."

"Sure, HaoHao," she chuckled, sliding down the bed until her head touched the pillows.

"You know what that means, right?" Minghao asked as he followed suit.

"Hmm?"

"You've been connected to me for a long time," he giggled. "You've always been made for me."

Jia scoffed as she rolled over to snuggle into Minghao's chest, "I always knew that."

There was a pounding on the wall before the pair heard Junhui call just loud enough for them both to hear, "Could you wait until I fall asleep to be disgustingly cheesy?"

[jennibeultimate]

Personal recap 4CC 2020 - Ladies FS

Once again a recap only for the last two groups in the order of appearance. And I am always biased for Team Japan and yeah scoring is wack, not gonna comment much on that.

Lovely performance by Alicia Pineault. Not the highest of technical abilities, but her jumps look nice and she is beautiful to watch. Will we see her at Worlds? I think she got the minimum technical marks.

There is a elegance about Hongyi Chen that I like. She is really tall for a skater. She has great flexibility and a lovely costume. Just the program is really bland, the music is not really doing her favors to have something to interpretate. It's nice but nothing special and kinda boring.

Yelim Kim is my fairy! She is beautiful to watch! And the costume is really breathtaking live! 😍 A clean program on homeground ice! 👏👏👏👏(just I don't know why "Lovestory" is so much used for Korean skaters, it's a lovely crafted program for Yelim, but it's also not as engaging either even though the home crowd really went along. I like her SP better.) Awww she looked really relieved with her score and finally a smile broke through! Congrats on breaking 200! 🎉

Amber Glenn what happened to your Axels? The fall on the last jumping pass was unfortunate. She covered some errors pretty well before. She really skates her heart out while performing and that's what really draws me into her skating. She looked really shocked at her score. It still was a good effort, so congrats on the season best!

Karen Chen was clean (some URs aside) ! 👏What a great program! I am so happy to see her deliver so greatly. I missed her wonderful spirals and charisma! I have rarely seen her so confident in her jumps. Welcome back Karen! 😊

You rarely find someone as beautiful and full of natural charisma as Eunsoo Lim. Sadly this season isn't working in her favor. I am sorry she didn't make it to Worlds. Beside the fall it was a beautiful performance!

Wakaba Higuchi went for the 3A! Doesn't matter that it was a fall, but she had the guts to try. She is a powerhouse. She never has dull or uninteresting programs. I think her performance lighted up towards the end a lot. Not a bad program even though there were some errors. Well done! 👍

Kaori Sakamoto that was a rollercoaster, an up and down program, but bruh what guts to try the 4T (that I don't think is ready at this point). But I just love that program, she is the only skater today that gave me goosebumps! She is always a delight to watch! ❤️ Wishing better luck next time. 5th place is an ok result with those mistakes.

It's not a secret that I am not a fan of Bradie Tennell's skating, but she deserved her place here. She delivered when it counted. And I do think that she improved a lot in her presentation. (Not as much as judges want to make me buy though...ugh)Contrary to the SP I am not a fan of that program, it's nice but nothing special. Still congrats Bradie!

Young You was amazing! CLEAN! Great 3A!👏Congrats! 🎉

I like her, my problem is the program. That's not much her fault as my own fault for absolutely hating "Don't cry for me Argentina". And I think she needs a bit more emotion for her program. The movements are there, just the expression needs a bit more. But that is nitpicky considering she is only 15 years old!

Rika Kihira was magical in her own way! ❤️ Congrats on your 2nd 4CC title! 🥇 🎉🎉🎉

What a way to rack up the missed 3A points. Wow! So glad the 3Lz is back! And I really love the program by now. And the best PCS too! 😍 (edit: just realized that Bradie and Rika had the almost same PCS😑) (Almost a season best with a missed 3A tell you how much she was downplayed by judges the whole season 😑)

Enjoyable free skate by the ladies. Thank you!

Sadly the winner interview does nothing for me, an English translation would have been nice 😒

Just a word about the commentator: I think he doesn't add much to my knowledge of the sport, but he is nice and relatively neutral to everyone (ofc some bias is always there but not as badly biased as some others are) and doesn't talk too much. I think for ppl not familiar with the sport, it's fine enough. Just yes we know what we are watching, we don't have to hear that repeatedly all the time. And is that such a weird concept that ppl cheer for skaters not of their nationality?

On a sidenote I was extremely thrilled that Yuna Kim handed out the medals! I always love to see her! ❤️