#she'd slay as dany's hand

[team-avia]

out of ~curiosity~ do y'all have any thoughts about how the RL ladies are when they're a bit tipsy/drunk around MC (if they drink at all, of course)?

We, in our infinite wisdom, have discussed this:

I think drunk Miranda gets uncommonly affectionate.

Drunk Alcina is more forward than usual.

Cass is a lightweight and is just knocked out right quick.

Bela does not get drunk. No matter how much she drinks.

Dani is just fun. Dani also gets more reckless and just says yes to anything Angie suggests, she would walk around with lit dynamite in her hand.

Donna gets very emotional, but doesn't necessarily show it, so sometimes she's just very moody and sometimes she just sits there silently staring at nothing.

Arla / MJ

Drunk Miranda is just spewing sweet things at you the whole time. I also get the vibe she'd be a whiny drunk yk. Miranda is on a timer when drunk like 30 minutes tops before she's asleep but those 30 minutes are just her clinging to you

I think of Donna as a giggly fun drunk

Cinder

personally think dani would be karaoke drunk. shes 5 shots in and singing i need a hero, and she'd slay

Finch

[asongofstarkandtargaryen]

Interpretations of the red comet:

Daenerys:

Jhogo spied it first." There" he said in a husted voice. Dany looked and saw it low in the east. The first star was a comet, burning red; the dragon's tail. She could not have asked for a stronger sign.

AGOT, DAENERYS X

It is the herald of my coming, she told herself as she gazed up the night sky with wonder in her heart. The gods have send it to show me the way.

ACOK, DAENERYS I

Maester Cressen:

An omen of blood,foretelling murder...yes

ACOK, PROLOGUE

Ser Arys Oakheart:

[Sansa]"What do you think it means?"she asked him.

"Glory to your bethrothed" Ser Arys answered at once. "See how it flames across the sky today on His Grace's name day, as if the Gods themselves have raised a banner in his honor[...]

ACOK, SANSA I

Smallfolk on Kings Landing:

[Ser Arys]" The smallfolk have named it King Joffrey's comet".

Doubtless that was what they told Joffrey; Sansa was not so sure. "I've heard servants calling it the Dragon's tail".

ACOK, SANSA I

Osha:

[...]The way she said it made him silver, and when he asked what he comet meant, she answered" Blood and fire, boy, and nothing sweet"

ACOK, BRAN I

Septon Chayle:

Bran asked Septon Chayle about the comet while they were sorting through some scrolls snatched from the library fire. "It is the sword that slays the season", he replied and soon after the white raven came from Oldtown, bringing word of autumn, so doubtless he was right.

ACOK, BRAN I

Old Nan:

Through Old Nan did not think so, and she'd lived longer than any of them. "Dragons" she said lifting her head and sniffing. She was near blind and could not see the comet, yet she claimed she could smell it."It be dragons, boy" she insisted. Bran got no princes from Nan, no more than he ever had.

ACOK, BRAN I

Greatjon Umber, Edmure Tully, Catelyn Stark and Brynden Tully:

[Catelyn]"The Greatjon told Robb that the old gods have unfurled a red flag of vengeance for Ned. Edmure thinks it's an omen for victory for Riverrun - he sees a fish with a long tail, in the tully colors, red against blue."She sighed . "I wish I had their faith. Crimson is a Lannister color".

"That thing's not crimson" Ser Brynden said.Nor Tully red, the mud red of the river. That's blood up there, child, smeared across the sky".

ACOK, CATELYN I

Theon Greyjoy:

It's my comet, Theon told himself, sliding a hand into his fur-lined coat to touch the oilskin pouch snug in its pocket.

ACOK, THEON I

Selyse Florent:

Queen Selyse was adamant" None of them was chosen by R'hllor. No red comet blazed across the heavens to herald their coming. None of them wielded the Lightbringer, the red sword of heroes.And none of the paid the price. Lady Melisandre will tell you, my lord.Only death can pay for life".

ASOS, DAVOS V

Melisandre:

[Melisandre]"You are he who must stand against the Other. The one whose coming was prophesied five thousand years ago. The red comet was your herald. You are the prince that was promised and if you fail, the world falls with you".

ASOS, DAVOS VI

Aeron Greyjoy:

The priest had dreamed the same dream, when he'd first seen the red comet in the sky. We shall sweep over the green lands with fire and sword, root out the seven gods from the septons and the white trees of the northmen...

AFFC, THE DROWNED MAN

[thelustybraavosimaid]

Ghosts lined the hallway, dressed in the faded raiment of kings. In their hands were swords of pale fire. They had hair of silver and hair of gold and hair of platinum white, and their eyes were opal and amethyst, tourmaline and jade. "Faster," they cried, "faster, faster." She raced, her feet melting the stone wherever they touched. "Faster!" the ghosts cried as one, and she screamed and threw herself forward. A great knife of pain ripped down her back, and she felt her skin tear open and smelled the stench of burning blood and saw the shadow of wings. And Daenerys Targaryen flew. (Daenerys IX, AGoT)

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This time the monsters did not frighten her. They seemed almost old friends. Arya held the candle over her head. With each step she took, the shadows moved against the walls, as if they were turning to watch her pass. "Dragons," she whispered. (Arya IV, AGoT)

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"The first Black Pearl was black as a pot of ink," said Daena. "She was a pirate queen, fathered by a Sealord's son on a princess from the Summer Isles. A dragon king from Westeros took her for his lover."

"I would like to see a dragon," Mercy said wistfully. (Mercy, TWoW)

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"Unsullied!" Dany galloped before them, her silver-gold braid flying behind her, her bell chiming with every stride. "Slay the Good Masters, slay the soldiers, slay every man who wears a tokar or holds a whip, but harm no child under twelve, and strike the chains off every slave you see." She raised the harpy's fingers in the air...and then she flung the scourge aside. "Freedom!" she sang out. "Dracarys! Dracarys!"

"Dracarys!" they shouted back, the sweetest word she'd ever heard. "Dracarys! Dracarys!" And all around them slavers ran and sobbed and begged and died, and the dusty air was filled with spears and fire. (Daenerys III, ASoS)

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"All gods have their instruments, men and women who serve them and help to work their will on earth. The slaves were not crying out to a hundred different gods, as it seemed, but to one god with a hundred different faces...and he was that god's instrument. That very night he chose the most wretched of the slaves, the one who had prayed most earnestly for release, and freed him from his bondage. The first gift had been given."

Arya drew back from him. "He killed the slave?" That did not sound right. "He should have killed the masters!" (Arya II, AFfC)

[kellyvela]

Do you think ADWD is basically book foreshadowing of Dany and Jon antagonism?

Not basically, the book is so much more than that. There are so many POVS from many different characters. And as GRRM said, focusing only in those two characters is missing the 90% of the story.

Also please take note that ADWD is in a way, a half Book, because GRRM divided his intended monumental fourth ASOIAF Book in two: AFFC and ADWD.

But I do believe that ADWD is a Book that mostly focused in Dany, the Targs and the dragons as one of the greatest threats against humanity, not only from Jon's POV but also from Cersei, Quentyn, Asha, Barristan, Victarion, etc.

We read how Dany and Cersei's short reigns in Meereen and Kings Landing collapse because of their awful ruling. About this, GRRM said that one of the things he regrets after parting the intended forth Book in two volumes was the parallels between Dany and Cersie that would have been more evident in one book.

We read the horror that dragons can cause from Quentyn and Barristan's POVS.

We read the horror of burning people alive from Asha's POV. She is also in risk of dying by fire because she has King's blood.

We read about the hypocrisy of freeing slaves but keeping them for you from Victarion's POV.

We also have some important information about Old Valyria, Old Ghis and slavery from Arya and Tyrion's POVS.

But it is true that all of that is more evident from Jon's POV. In Jon's chapters we read that:

Dying by fire is an horrible death (his conversation with Gilly about the baby switch and forcing her to put her hand on the candle's flame).

The abomination of seeing your own brother being burned alive (Jon talks about Axel Florent seeing his own brother Alester Florent being burned alive by Melisandre, this evokes Dany watching Khal Drogo killing her brother Viserys by molten gold).

Jon gave the order to kill Mance by arrows to prevent him the torture of being burned alive.

Jon send Mance's baby and Master Aemon to prevent that Melissandre killed them by fire.

The contempt he feels for Queen Selyse and Melisandre because their obsession with the fire (During Alys Karstark wedding Jon described Queen Selyse's love for the flames and her desire to walk into the fire and embrace it like a lover, that evokes Dany marrying the fire during Khal Drogo's funeral pyre).

But the thing that most resonates in my mind during my last re-read was the contrast between Dany ordering the Unsullied to kill all the slavers from twelve years old and forward and Jon Snow offering the Wildlings from twelve years old and forward a place in the Night's Watch:

"Unsullied!" Dany galloped before them, her silver-gold braid flying behind her, her bell chiming with every stride. "Slay the Good Masters, slay the soldiers, slay every man who wears a tokar or holds a whip, but harm no child under twelve, and strike the chains off every slave you see." She raised the harpy's fingers in the air . . . and then she flung the scourge aside. "Freedom!" she sang out. "Dracarys! Dracarys!" "Dracarys!" they shouted back, the sweetest word she'd ever heard. "Dracarys! Dracarys!" And all around them slavers ran and sobbed and begged and died, and the dusty air was filled with spears and fire. —A Storm of Swords - Daenerys III

"You have to pick," Jon Snow repeated. "All of you. No one is asking you to take our vows, and I do not care what gods you worship. My own gods are the old gods, the gods of the North, but you can keep the red god, or the Seven, or any other god who hears your prayers. It's spears we need. Bows. Eyes along the Wall.

"I will take any boy above the age of twelve who knows how to hold a spear or string a bow. I will take your old men, your wounded, and your cripples, even those who can no longer fight. There are other tasks they may be able to perform. Fletching arrows, milking goats, gathering firewood, mucking out our stables … the work is endless. And yes, I will take your women too. I have no need of blushing maidens looking to be protected, but I will take as many spearwives as will come."

"And girls?" a girl asked. She looked as young as Arya had, the last time Jon had seen her.

"Sixteen and older." "You're taking boys as young as twelve."

Down in the Seven Kingdoms boys of twelve were often pages or squires; many had been training at arms for years. Girls of twelve were children. These are wildlings, though. "As you will. Boys and girls as young as twelve. But only those who know how to obey an order. That goes for all of you. I will never ask you to kneel to me, but I will set captains over you, and serjeants who will tell you when to rise and when to sleep, where to eat, when to drink, what to wear, when to draw your swords and loose your arrows. The men of the Night's Watch serve for life. I will not ask that of you, but so long as you are on the Wall you will be under my command. Disobey an order, and I'll have your head off. Ask my brothers if I won't. They've seen me do it."

A Dance with Dragons - Jon V

Reading that was so very telling.

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