I didn’t so much fall in love - It kicked me in the face Chapter Eight
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The room seemed empty without the plague that was his brothers. Tim stood silent and still for a few moments longer (long enough to make it awkward) before he cleared his throat. “I’m sorry about Damian, he was out of line.”
“He was, but I was a little out of line as well,” Marinette said with a sigh. “But you are also not responsible for your brother. I feel like I need to apologize and let you know that it’s okay if you don’t want to go for coffee.”
“No, we’re still on for that,” Tim said immediately. “As long as you still want to, of course.”
“I’ll be waiting in anticipation. But I’ve held you captive for too long already, I’m sure you’ve got things to do, naps to take. Unless you have any last minute comments or complaints on the suit?”
“Ask me that again on a day when I’ve had more than forty-five minutes of sleep. Then I’ll have an incredibly witty response,” Tim said with a smile. “Aside from the lack of lining, the suit is everything I never knew I needed.”
He carefully took off the jacket while his mind raced. Hearing the way Marinette had phrased her experiences had struck him with the fact that Paris wasn’t nearly as idyllic and safe as they had supposed, and the thought of Marinette in danger was unacceptable. Instead of sleeping, Tim found himself compiling a briefing file on the crime history of Paris, as well as the most important aspects of Ladybug and Chat Noir. Now Tim just had to convince everyone else that some of them needed to go assess the situation in the city itself. There were numerous evidences that Hawkmoth was an issue of the past, but the fact that the whole situation had gone on for at least four years without the League even noticing was… concerning, to say the least.
Privately, Tim couldn’t help but wonder just how Marinette’s name hadn’t been added to the list of “akumatized” victims. From everything he knew of her, she was fueled by love and passion - she was an unstoppable force of emotion. He couldn’t help but respect her all the more.
Ladybug was also a mystery. Paris wasn’t in constant danger like before, but she remained active, helping out in day-to-day crime. Chat Noir showed up occasionally, but she seemed to be the only regular hero.
It was hours before the fittings for Dick and Jason were finished, and then he called everyone in for a meeting. Damian looked incredibly annoyed, a good portion of which was a remnant from his earlier collision with Marinette. Just thinking about the skirmish was enough for Tim to decide he was at least a little bit in love with the woman. Anyone who could put Damian in his place like that was someone to be respected.
“So what’s up, Timmy? Why the family meeting? It must be serious if even Alfred is part of this,” Dick said, sitting down.
“First I have a question for Bruce. Did the League ever get any kind of distress call from Paris between nine and five years ago?”
“From Paris? None that I know of. What’s going on, Tim?” Bruce asked, eyebrows furrowed.
“Sit down boys, there’s been a serious oversight.”
Tim handed them each a file and sat down, settling in to watch their reactions.
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“Why do you keep looking in the mirror, Maman?”
Marinette lurched away from the bathroom mirror, cheeks flushing. “I… I was just making sure my hair looked okay.”
“You look pretty, Maman. I’m sure Monsieur Tim will think so too. When this is done you need to invite him to Paris so you can go on a date without me, like it’s supposed to be.”
Choking on her spit, Marinette stared at her child. “Leo! Who told you to say such a thing?!”
“Uncle Kim says that kids aren’t supposed to go on dates.”
“Well, that’s usually true,” she said, massaging her temples. “But people go on dates to see if they like someone enough to see if they want them to be in their lives forever. If a man wants to be in my life forever, I have to make sure that you like him.”
“I told you, we’re supposed to know Monsieur Tim,” Leo said, slightly exasperated. “He makes us both happier.”
“You’re right, and I trust you, but Monsieur Tim and I just need to get to know each other before anything happens.”
“Fine,” Leo huffed, dramatically throwing himself onto his hotel bed. Marinette couldn’t help but shake her head. Her son was incredibly mature, and sometimes it felt like he could practically see into the future. But she loved the reminders that he was still just a child.
“Stop pouting, it’s time to go,” Marinette said, shoving him off of the bed. He caught himself with ease - it seemed that he’d been blessed with a natural athleticism instead of her own inborn clumsiness.
The coffee shop was easily within walking distance, and Marinette held Leo’s hand with the strength of a vice - it was Gotham, after all, and they didn’t have the best track record with the city.
After walking for about a block, Marinette finally brought herself to ask Leo what she’d been wondering since she and Leo had met Tim. “Leo?”
“Hmm?”
“What do you mean when you keep saying that we’re supposed to know Monsieur Tim?”
He turned to her, gifting her with one of his rare full smiles, and Marinette barely resisted the urge to smother him in a hug. His blue eyes sparkled with some secret knowledge before he said, “That’s a secret, Maman. You just have to wait and find out.”
“Leo, that’s not fair,” Marinette said, mock pouting.
“Monsieur Tim is going to be important to us both, but especially to you,” Leo said plainly. “He can understand you in a way that most people can’t, but he wouldn’t try to pity you or something like that.”
Whatever she had been expecting, it definitely hadn’t been a reply like that. Marinette found herself rendered speechless for the rest of the walk, her mind racing with the possibilities of what Leo could possibly mean by that.
They were early, but Tim was actually already inside, remarkably awake for so early in the morning. He sat at one of the tables by the window, and when he caught sight of her he waved wildly. (Marinette couldn’t tease him about it though, she and Leo waved just as enthusiastically.) She couldn’t help but smile. With a start to her day like this, how could it go wrong?
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Here's the next chapter, kids! I already posted about this, but I want your opinion as well. I have at least two more ideas for Mominette fics, would y'all be interested in me posting them? I'm still trying to ride through quarantine without seeing my nieces and nephews, so I need children in my life SOMEHOW. There’s a Daminette one and a Jasonette one. Let me know what y’all think. Also somehow I’ve almost got 500 followers??! I would like to do something as a thank you, just let me know if you guys have any ideas.
Also I’m totally fine with my brand becoming Mominette. I don’t know how much everyone else in this little niche fandom like it, but I also assume the majority of you aren’t single people in grad school that get lonely.
Anyway, let me know what you guys think, both for the Mominette fics and what you want for the 500 follower thing once I hit 500 followers!
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Louis, Harry, Family and Friends’ Denials of Larry (as a Whole or as a Theory) and Confirmation of Elounor
(@seirral4) [Updated 13/08/2017]
[DISCLAIMER: this post has been recreated due to 1arry-isnt-rea1′s deactivation. Everything has been compiled and written by them, except when stated otherwise: the version retrieved was old, so some debunks went missing, and the situation needed to be mended. Also some links were updated, some denials reorganized, and some lexicon actualized: Larry Shippers --> Larries to avoid confusion. Give credit when you share some else’s contents.]
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Larries seem to think Harry and Louis have not denied Larry. They have, yet Larries still make up excuses for it.
I wanted to make a post showing all family or friends who have denied Larry at some point. This post is not only Larry denials, but confirmations of Elounor or denials of a theory of Larry (i.e. tattoos and such).
I never see people talk about most of these denials.
Guess why?
Like I have always said, Larries only see what they want to. They ignore everything that disproves or doesn’t support their ship.
I can also hear every Larrie scream, “THEY DIDN’T SAY ‘LARRY ISN’T REAL’ THOUGH."
That is a USELESS excuse. They do not need to say those three words to convey the same message. If that is your excuse for everything you will see in this post, you are helpless and clueless. Do not bother reading.
Lastly, if you are a Larrie and consider anyone in this post "irrelevant,” just remind yourself that you believe day old Twitter accounts who claim to have seen Larry with no proof. Everyone in this post has met the boys multiple times, is a good friend of the boys, or are family members. Not random people behind a screen who can easily make up lies.
[Image and video heavy.]
***Quick Note: I will post old screenshots if the reply was hard to find on my iPhone version of Twitter. Sometimes it just shows his or her tweet (which I would specifically search for) but not the original tweet he or she had replied to, then I will also post a screenshot on the current version of Twitter to show it is real. If the current version of Twitter shows both the fan’s tweet and his or her reply, I will only post that.
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Stanley Lucas
Stanley had replied to Louis’ tweet about Eleanor and his anniversary. Shortly after that, Stanley’s started replying to Larries who were spamming and harassing him with tweets talking about how Larry is real and Elounor is fake.
He started by just replying with “weird” to fans. Then he tweeted the following picture:
This tweet has been deleted. If you are doubting whether or not it’s real, go type in his tweet and @ name. There are tons of quoted tweets from that day on that time. It was real.
He then tweeted the following:
He continued to reply to many fans about different things. I’m only showing the ones about Larry or Elounor. In the following screenshot, you will see the fan’s question and his answer.
Next, the screenshot is of the current version of Twitter. You can look up this tweet yourself to verify that it is real.
He continued on and on. Here is yet another.
Once again, here is the screenshot from the current version of twitter.
The Larries really did harass him that day. He continues on.
Love how he called the theory of Larry “rubbish.” Now here is the screenshot form the current version of Twitter.
Then one fucking idiot said believing in Larry was an opinion, and Stan was wrong even though he has known Louis for years. He replied to her as well.
Now the current screenshot.
One again, he replied to a Larrie. This time it included Harry.
I could not find the tweet to take a current screenshot when I searched for it. I didn’t scroll through his account. I don’t know if it was deleted or not, but it was real. There are many quoted tweets from it on the same day and time.
In the next one, he tells a Larrie how crazy her theory is.
Then he continues to tell Larries that Louis is straight because they are STILL NOT GETTING IT.
Once again, he sets Larries straight on the difference between a fact and an opinion.
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Max Hurd
Max Hurd is one of Eleanor’s best friends. As far as I can tell, she has known him before she met Louis or around the same time.
On September 9, 2012, a Larrie harassed him by calling Eleanor a beard. He had the following conversation with them.
If you don’t believe this happened, feel free to search up the tweets. They are still there and ver underrated. Almost no one even noticed this conversation.
Next one. On February 27, 2014, Max again replied to a Larrie who assumed Eleanor was his girlfriend. Apparently, if you are a girl and a boy, you can’t be friends without people thinking you’re fucking. He replied with this:
Again, this got barely any attention. I wonder why. Once again, feel free to search up the tweets. They are still there.
Now let’s move on to Max’s Instagram comments. I will first post a screenshot of the picture the comments are located on, so those who want to look them up themselves can. Then I will post a screenshot of the comment he replied to and his reply.
Yes, this is his real Instagram. He has had it forever, and he is constantly uploading new pictures.
These screenshots confirm Elounor more than deny Larry, but just wait, those are coming up.
I like how he added the, “Deluded, weird, blocked,” at the end there.
These are really funny to me because the whole Gretchen and Tina thing is beyond hilarious.
Anyways, again, he does not have to say “Larry isn’t real” to tell you the same thing. Also, he only confirms Elounor once again. How many times has he done that so far?
“I am not going to answer any of your larry bullshit because I actually cannot get my head around how screwed up and cruel you are to accuse my friend of being hired to be someone’s girlfriend.”
“You need to open your eyes and stop seeing what you want to see and realize what is actually there. Which is a long term relationship between two people who love each other."
”…so piece together some weird fantasy for yourself"
Larries, look up the word fantasy if you don’t understand how this is a denial.
Next.
All of these started because Larries continued to harass Max about “Gretchen” and “Tina” even though he has already addressed it.
Max comments “Y'all need Jesus,” so a Larry Shipper comments, “Max needs to get dick out his ass and be more mature and Jesus isn’t real so no one needs him.”
Max then replies with, “Neither is 'Larry’ so you need to find a different obsession to waste your life on.”
DID YOU READ THAT, LARRiES? He just told you Larry isn’t real without using those words. Stop using your bullshit excuse of needing those three words in the same order.
Last one, finally.
Before anyone loses their shit, he did mentioned the girl again and apologized for the “Die in a hole you fucking peasant” part.
Anyways, he again does not say the exact words, “Larry isn’t real” but I think, “something that is as real as the tooth fairy” is descriptive enough for Larries to get the point.
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Sasha Malik
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Julian Bunetta
Julian is one of the boys’ songwriters and producers.
No, he does NOT work for Modest. He would work under the label.
Yes, this is his twitter.
No, he is not verified, but the boys have mentioned him in tweets before.
In the first screenshot, a fan is annoying Julian with questions as to whether Larry is real or not. He replied:
This is a perfect example of something I said at the beginning of the post.
No, he did not say “Larry isn’t real”, however he said it in a different way. You guys do realize what the word “imaginary” means, correct?
Also, if Larry was real, he would not have responded. He has no obligation to reply to fans on Twitter. He gets tons of questions, especially when he begins answering many fans at once. He did NOT have to answer, but he choose to. I wonder why.
This tweet is still there, you can look it up if you would like.
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Simon Jones of Hackford Jones PR
I could not find exactly what Simon’s job title is. He definitely works at HJPR, he might even own it since his last name is in the company’s name. Regardless, his role at the company is a very important one. On July 19, 2014 he tweeted this:
I wanted to verify the fact that this company represents One Direction. The screenshot below is from their website. I highlighted the part that says they do in fact represent the boys.
No, this is not a denial of Elounor or Larry, but it is a denial that the company has even purposely fabricated a relationship. That would include Elounor, Zerrie, Sophiam, Haylor, and so on.
Also, I found this on their website. It’s a testimonial from Modest Management.
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Fizzy’s Best Friend, Tasha
This happened only a few days ago, feel free to look it up. It is real.
Before you start questioning if this account is real, it is. Her Ask in linked to her Instagram, which Fizzy follows.
If you are a Larrie, before you lose your shit, she later said she knew Larry didn’t actually destroy their friendship. However, it still did affect it.
I don’t want to hear how Fizzy’s best friend wouldn’t know anything. My best friend knows everything about my life. When I am talking about shit that pisses me off, she is there to listen. I’m sure it is the same way with Fizzy.
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Gemma Styles
No, this is not a direct denial. However, I do think it is telling of what Gemma thinks of Larry. Remember, she did not need to reply to this. She has fans tweeting her tons of things, and she is not obligated to reply to any of it. She choose to reply to this, and it was probably to deny the ridiculous rumor that she was “hinting” Larry was real. Notice how all their proof is assumptions that they believe are hints?
[Added Aug 2017]
But Larries can’t have nice things, so it was a matter of time really for Gemma to end up denying Larry. It was on Tumblr after she received this ask:
It’s been since then deleted, but that doesn’t take her words back. People that believe in Larry are a WASTE.
The next one is not a proper Larry denial, but more like the first example. Around week after Freddie Tomlinson was born Gemma liked this on IG:
Larries immediately took it as a sign, claimed she was shading “babygate,” and that it meant the denial of Freddie being Louis’ son was coming SOON (yeah, they always say that.) Of course nothing happened, and asked to clarify Gemma said this:
The mentality that implies that everything is connected to the thing that matters to them is actually a trait of conspiracy theorists’ mentality. Anyway, as we all know, “babygate” didn’t “end”, thus this became another sort of Larry denial, and proof that the family of the boys are pretty aware of how Larries work. She got to hear a couple of more complaints about it.
More recently, in 2016, Gemma posted a picture of a graffiti on IG:
Even if in the graffiti both human forms have blue eyes, some Larries jumped in, claiming that it proved Larry. Again, everything is about them and Larry, even if it’s Gemma’s IG and she has, like, HER OWN LIFE.
Yes. See the green and blue hearts so characteristic of the larriedom, and Gemma’s reaction. Sadly, instead of backing off at her reply that the post had nothing to do with Larry, they went after her and called her ableist, just because she dared to deny Larry. One moment they love you, the next one they hate you.
There’s no winning with these people. All we can do is wonder when the next denial will come.
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Keith Tomlinson
Before you begin questioning if his account is real, it is. No, Louis does not follow him. However, other family members do, and he has posted never before seen pictures of Louis and himself.
I really don’t give a shit if you don’t consider him as Louis’ real grandfather anymore just because he was only his grandfather by marriage. Louis grew up with him. You don’t need to be related by blood to consider someone as family, that’s just fucking stupid.
Louis visits him often. He denies Larry. Get the fuck over it. Stop making excuses for it.
Remember, this post is of denials of Larry and confirmations of Elounor. Keith confirmed Eleanor with the very obvious, “Goodnight disbelievers” to all the Larries out there.
Go ahead, search it up to verify it’s real if you need to.
This next one is not a denial of Larry or a confirmation of Elounor, however, I thought I would add it in here to show the frustration with Larries.
Keith has absolutely no chill with Larries. (Personally, I think it was not necessary, but I think it’s just really frustrating to family and friend of especially Louis.)
Again, search it up on Twitter to verify it is real.
Keith literally has zero chill.
[Added: Feb, 2017.]
Keith passed away early 2016. He had a last quarrel with a Larrie who was spamming a tweet of Harry about a terrorist attack with “Larry is real:”
Keith wasn’t here for the disrespect and lack of boundaries. And neither should you.
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Lottie Tomlinson
It isn’t even funny anymore. I honestly don’t know why some Larries continue to harass Lottie.
There was so much drama in the fandom when this happened, oh my gosh. Eleanor also commented, but we are just focusing on Lottie.
Yes, I know this is not a direct denial of Larry. however, like I said before, they do not need to say, “Larry isn’t real” to portray the same message.
I think “SHUT UP YOU DELUDED F R E A K S” and “Sit down and shut up because you people do not know A THING” will suffice. Next.
This screenshot is from when Lottie accidentally favorited a gif of Harry and Louis with the caption, “boyfriends”.
Of course, all the Larries lost their shit and seemed to have completely forgotten about the time she called them deluded freaks.
Lottie quickly un-favorited it and tweeted that. She deleted the tweet minutes after she posted it. You can search up the tweet and see a bunch of quoted tweets on the same day and time to verify it was real.
No, this isn’t a denial. However, she did tell Larries to go away and she admitted it was a mistake.
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Fizzy Tomlinson
The first one I have is from when Fizzy did a Twitcam with her friend.
Fizzy did a twitcam in June of 2012. During it, she talks about Louis’ sexuality.
She says, “I don’t say it’s a bad thing to be gay. It’s just kind of rude to me because I know he’s not gay, and you’re all just like ‘No, your brother’s gay.’ Like, no he isn’t. Shut up.”
She then reads a comment that says, “Louis is clearly gay,” to which she replies, “He has a girlfriend!” (It is cut off).
You can watch it HERE.
Yes, I know. She only said he isn’t gay, and I can hear Larries say, “He doesn’t have to be gay for Larry to be real.” You are right.
However, Fizzy did confirm his relationship with Eleanor. I do know one can have a girlfriend, yet still be interested in men too. However, one cannot be in a relationship with his best friend and girlfriend at the same time.
Next.
I went through Fizzy’s Ask.FM. I did not scroll all the way to her very first answer because I found plenty before than. There are tons, and some of them (about Eleanor specifically) I did not add because it was not directly about Elounor or Larry.
Keep in mind. Fizzy gets tons of questions all the time. It’s her choice on which ones she wants to reply to. She clearly wanted to reply to this for a reason.
Let’s begin the long list of answers. They are not exactly in order.
The link was to the clip where Harry grabs Louis and kisses him on the cheek during an interview. Fizzy replied with, “Do you think if he was being serious he would do that in the middle of an interview?”
“Larry isn’t real but ship what you want,” THERE YOU GO LARRIES. THERE ARE THE THREE WORDS YOU ACTUALLY DON’T WANT TO HEAR.
This is something I always say when family members or friends deny Larry. It is ridiculous to say they are lying when they would just avoid answering at all.
“He doesn’t hate you, just your ship.”
“No, it isn’t.”
“Yes, Elounor is true love, and Larry is fake,” There you go, once again.
“You just see what you want to see,” HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I SAID THIS? YOU GO, FIZZY!
“If Larry was real, I would ship it but it’s not so I don’t haha"
Well, that was simple.
Simple answer.
There is most likely even more than just these. I only search back a little over a year and a half.
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Niall and Josh
During a Twitcam from over two years ago, Josh was reading comments on the Twitcam he was doing will Niall.
One comment talked about Zayn and Liam’s ship name, which is Ziam. Josh then realized what Larry was. Niall says, "Alright yeah,” with a very dead pan face. They then begin talking about something else. Niall reads a comment that asks if Larry is real. As soon as he reads the comment out loud, he shakes his head and flips his hand as if to show he is annoyed. Josh then says, “I’m pretty sure Larry isn’t real, guys,” while Niall laughs.
I find this funny. This was only a few months after the first bullshit tweets. Niall is clearly like, “Do they not get it…?"
Josh did not even know what "Larry Stylinson” was. Wow! It must be soOOooOOO real.
If you read the comment sections, it is full of Larries who say Niall could have flat out said no, but he didn’t. Honestly, his reaction was telling enough, but I understand where they are coming from.
The whole, “If Larry isn’t read, why haven’t they denied it,” thing, is a different story for a different post I have in the works.
Whether you think Niall’s reaction was a denial or not, Josh denies it too.
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Liam
I LIVE for Liam’s denials of Larry. Let’s begin.
The following picture is an old screenshot. In the current screenshot, it won’t show the tweet Liam replied to. I posted both so you could see what he replied to and see that the tweet is still there. You can still search for the tweet and find it.
The next picture is the current screenshot.
Next.
No, he didn’t deny Larry as a whole, but I don’t want to miss anything. So many people don’t even know most of these things in this post happened.
Next.
Yes, I know screenshots of DMs from either Instagram or Twitter can be faked. I almost never trust any DMs because they are faked quite often.
However, this one was real. The girl who Liam messaged back took a video of his DM and posted it on her Instagram. Her Instagram is now private, but I found someone else who took her video and posted it in their account.
If you are going to say videos like hers can be faked, please show me your receipts. I have NEVER found any. I have had many Larries act like know-it-all-shits and then go ghost when I ask for proof.
The DM is real. Next.
Once again, I would not trust this DM unless the girl had a video, which she did.
The link to the proof that the DM was real is HERE.
Let me explain what happened with this DM because many people were confused. This girl (@rtsophiam) was followed by Liam and Sophia. She had messaged Liam, asking if Larry was real or not. He unfollowed her. He then, being the kind hearted boy he is, re-followed her and messaged her that.
You can go check. She still has her Liam follow and she had it before the DM incident occurred.
Now, I know Larries were only say it was Modest. That will be their excuse for these DMs. Let me remind you of Liam’s tweets the same night this happened.
His tweets sound exactly like Liam. Go look up all of his tweets from October 2, 2014.
Also, notice his tweets about crazy DMs that are either fun, shocking, or strange? Hm. I wonder what DM he is referring to.
Lastly, during an interview, when asked to explain what Larry is, Liam said, “He’s imaginary.”
Again, do I need to write the definition of imaginary for you, Larries?
[Added: Feb, 2017.]
On his solo interview for Attitude Magazine (Sept 2015,) Liam had some words for the Larries, concerning Larry and Louis’ impending parenthood:
“People think of the Louis and Harry thing [that they’re secret lovers,] which is nuts and drives me insane.” The idea of Larry is, according to Liam, “nuts.” But he goes forward and call the Larries a “conspiracy” and a “cult,” telling that people make every gesture [of Louis and Harry] about them being together, and he knows “it’s not true” and it makes him “mad.” He knows “what’s what” [he understands the inner jokes and gestures] but has to hear “all these crazy theories.”
“I get tagged in drawings of Louis and Harry being together.” The 4th wall is broken. Well done, Larries. This is not fandom; this is not support. This is, as Liam says in his comparison, a conspiracy theory: “Imagine you’re the man who lands on the moon and you come back home to hear some people saying you didn’t.” Put yourself in these people’s shoes for once and imagine how it would be having people denying part or the whole of your existence. Liam stated Larry is not real and compared you, Larries, with conspiracists and cult people. He also stated that Louis was happy to become a dad, as he’s been for over a year now. When will you get the cue that your invasiveness is not welcomed?
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[Added: Feb, 2017.]
Zayn
In the interview he gave to the Fader in 2015, Zayn had the chance to talk about some of his experiences in One Direction. The conversation quickly moved to the fans’ culture.
Talking about shipping culture and fan theories Zayn stated:
“There’s no secret relationships going on with any of the band members.” This is a direct quote from Zayn, that established that Larry (or any of the other ships, even those not majorly tinhatted, like his own ship with Liam) is not real. But he goes further and says the fan theories had an effect in the way the boys behave in public: “It’s not funny, and it still continues to be quite hard for them. They won’t naturally go put their arm around each other because they’re conscious of this thing that’s going on, which is not even true. They won’t do that natural behavior.” It’s not the gay rumors that affected Larry’s public bond, but the constant harassment and invasiveness, the fact that there are tons of denials and people still spams every single post of the boys (and friends and family) with Larry’s claims. It��s the same Liam said for Attitude, it’s the constant watching and interpretation that exhausted them; in Zayn’s own words: “knowing that everything you do will be parsed for subtext is a terrible mindfuck.” Congratulation, Larries, you played yourselves and ruined Larry for the world.
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Louis
[Reorganized Aug 2017]
16/09/2012: Bullshit 1.0
Louis calls Larry’s theories conspiracies, and implies that the people involved in it aren’t lovely. He also addresses how those people give the fandom a bad name, thing that’s been proven to be a massive issue intra fandom and with media and GP’s perception of it and fannish behavior. He also refers to Larry as the “biggest load of bullshit.” The impact and following tantrum was so big that, to be able to cope Larries called the episode “bullshit 1.0,” because even if it should have ended that very day, they carried on, leaving room for even more denials left and right, and “bullshit 2.0.”
As I said, Larries got so defensive they ended up attacking Jay because, as always, she dared to speak up for her son and his girlfriend. Louis had to return and address the harassment again. His mother, people.
The issue ended that day with Louis making clear that HE DOESN’T CONSIDER LARRIES REAL FANS, and that any claim about anyone else but himself tweeting was inaccurate (sounds like he knew already the kind of theories he was dealing with):
Sept 2012: Chatty Man’s denial is reported in this article. The words quoted directly from Louis are consistent with everything Louis’ said on the matter to this day, that Larry makes things difficult for Harry and him, and that it’s disrespectful to his girlfriend.
“I just think it's really degrading towards her,” he explained, mentioning Eleanor again. What's most fascinating is that he admitted that he'd known about the pairing for a while, but that after a while it became more taxing than fun: “This is a subject that was funny at first but now is actually hard to deal with, as I am in relationship. Me and Harry are best friends. People look into our every move—it is actually affecting the way me and Harry are in public.”
Oct 2012: Louis calls Larry Stylinson “a conspiracy of fanfiction.” When Unreality TV asked about Larry rumors, Louis said:
There’s also a recorded interview with thehothits.com around the same period of time of Louis talking about the matter HERE. I leave you a transcription:
“I’m sure if you follow me on Twitter, you’ll know that every now and again I’m quite outspoken. I think it’s important to speak your mind, and I’ve had a few rants recently. You know, people who have been horrible to my girlfriend Eleanor and to my mum, and I just don’t think people should be able to get away with it. I don’t go to bed and worry about it, I just think that people if they want to be like that, should be put in their place.”
We know you’ve been working on it, sweetie, but these people are so self-absorbed and selfish they don’t listen to anyone but themselves.
Nov 2013: Louis called Larry “a fucking annoyance.” Talking about fan theories and conspiracy theories, Zayn and Louis went off:
Looks like someone was pretty tired. You can read the whole interview HERE.
Do I really need to look up the words conspiracy and fiction for Laries to get the point?
21/07/2017: Louis denies Larry in an interview with The Sun. You can watch the video HERE (starts at 00:31.)
After relating the phenomenon to conspiracy theories, Louis states that “obviously there’s there’s not truth to it” [Larry’s conspiracy theory] glancing directly into the camera (like Larries always dreamed about) around 01:05. If there’re still doubts about it, or you don’t want to watch it, here are the gifs made by @slowhandsmp3:
And again a transcription:
Dan Wootton: Can you tell me what your view is on these people who are obsessed by a “Larry” conspiracy?
LOUIS: I’ve never actually been asked about it directly. It’s a funny thing. People can believe what they want to believe. It comes across as a little bit disrespectful to the ones that I love, like Eleanor. It’s like anything, if you google a conspiracy on iPhones, you’re gonna get a conspiracy. It’s one of those things people love to buy into, but in reality, obviously there’s no truth to it, obviously.
The same day The Sun published an exclusive interview where Louis went deeper in the issue:
“Louis and Harry’s friendship was also dogged by a ridiculous five-year conspiracy by a group of determined fans known as Larries.
They believe that the pair are in a romantic relationship that was covered up by 1D management, SIMON COWELL and even me (I promise you I’d have been delighted to report that Harry and Louis were an item if that were the case).
Sadly, Louis admits the pressure from Larry conspiracy theorists was a factor in their friendship struggling, especially given the serious relationship he has with girlfriend Eleanor Calder.He says: “I’ve never actually been asked about it directly. It’s a funny thing.“
"It kind of happened naturally for me and Harry because a certain amount of the fans drew up this conspiracy.
"When it first came around I was with Eleanor, and it actually felt a little bit disrespectful to Eleanor, who is my girlfriend now.
“I’m so protective over things like that, about the people I love. So it created this atmosphere between the two of us where everyone was looking into everything we did.
“It took away the vibe you get off anyone. It made everything, I think on both fences, a little bit more unapproachable. I think it shows that it was never anything real, if I can use that word.”
Louis again refers to Larry’s fan theories as conspiracy theories, and blames the fans involved in these behaviors (again called disrespectful) for the public, notorious separation that happened between him and Harry. This is consistent with the things expressed by Louis throughout the years, and also Zayn, for instance, who claimed fans made impossible for Harry and Louis to be spontaneous and physical with each other while in public. So congratulations, Larries, yet another confirmation that you killed what you loved the most.
31/07/2017: Louis’ denial of Larry Stylinson in an interview with Andy Cohen. As the media picked up The Sun exclusive, Louis was asked again about it, now in USA soil. No more excuses, Larries. Louis want to shut down these theories once and for all.
You can listen to the actual audio with words coming out of Louis’ mouth HERE.
Transcription HERE, but here’s a caption:
Not fans. Not anything, but “these people.” That’s how Louis refers to the people that come up with conspiracies about him. It’s over, people. You are not Louis’ fans if you deny his real relationship and his son. He warned you in 2012. Nothing really new to it. Just more denial coming up from the Larries. As Harry would say, SAD.
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Harry
[Reorganized Aug 2017]
During an interview for 60 minutes Australia, the interviewer tells Harry, “Look, Harry. I’ve got to ask you about this one. This is Famous magazine. This says you and Louis are a couple. There’s pictures of you kissing!”
Liam, Niall, and Harry begin explaining that the pictures are photoshopped and that it has happened to all of the boys.
She then asks Harry, “Oh, really? So you and Louis, there is nothing going on?”
Harry replies with a simple, “NO.“ Yes, Larries, hold on. I’ve heard all of your excuses, and I will address them. But first see it for yourselves, I swear it doesn’t bite:
Before you say, "Harry had to lean into to make sure they didn’t have actual pictures of them kissing,” let’s talk about the interview where they asked if Harry was having an affair with Obama.
Looks pretty similar to his reaction in the Australian interview, doesn’t it? So, is Harry fucking Obama too? Of course not. If you go up to anyone, claiming to have pictures of them kissing their best friend, they are going to look. It’s just a natural reaction. Keep making excuses.
Also related to this same interview, Larries spread the lie that there is a picture of Harry crying from right after this interview.
NO, THERE IS NOT.
The picture Larries spread around claiming to be of Harry crying are from a completely different interview where he has been sick for a few days. The exact same shot is at 9:13, and it is actually of Harry and Niall laughing. It is not a picture of Niall comforting Harry because he was crying. You can check it for yourselves HERE.
See how deceiving pictures (and Larries) can be?
Let’s move on. Larries don’t acknowledge this denial, and they thought they were lucky enough not to go through the same again due to Harry’s reluctance to talk about his personal life. It was a gift that kept giving until it stopped. It happened again.
In April 2016, a Venezuelan fan asked Harry is Larry was real while facetiming and he said “NO.” It was referred through Twitter by user @kingcasique_ and reported by media in at least this video:
Sadly, these tweets happened between Victoria, the girl that chatted with Harry, and her friend [I can’t provide a link because the girl has been suspended on Twitter]:
These types of implications are NOT acceptable. NO means NO.
Troubles continued for Larries, because life’s a b*tch for them, since during the promo of his solo career (May/June of 2017,) in which Harry remarked again and again how honest his album was, he was asked if his solo song “Sweet Creature” was about Louis.
So Harry denied Larry again, stating that he would “lean toward NO” in the subject of the song being about Louis. Listen to his reply (starting to speak quite upset) at 00:10:
Teen Vogue picked it up and you can read the article HERE. But here’s a transcription of the statement for everyone to acknowledge it.
“Lean toward NO” is as much as a categorical statement as a single NO. The word NO is right there. And you respect the word NO, because NO means NO.
Asked about the fan theory a second time in USA Today, Harry said “Oh, is that a thing?," completely snubbing the rumors. And went further: “Well, whatever it is that it makes one feel. But I think if you listen to the lyrics, you can work out what it’s about.” Oh, Harry, you unlucky bastard. You have a tendency to catch hay fever and Larries.
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Louis and Harry
[Added Feb 2017]
HERE is one of the first interviews in which Louis and Harry casually dismiss the rumors about Larry being a romance (the one of the “genuinely believe.”) There’s a politeness, a clear intention not to create drama with the denial, because at the time rumors were just starting to get fueled, but they still weren’t a proper conspiracy theory, as Louis would refer later when talking about Larry. It wasn’t the only time the issue was addressed in a relaxed manner, trying to shut down rumors, but with an intention not to alienate the fans. And here’s another:
This is what the YouTube poster of the video wrote as a caption:
“I ship Larry, honest I think they are so cute and I would love them to be together... but if they say that its not true, that it is annoying them, going too far or that they are happy with their girlfriends then as fans we should respect that and let them live their lives. If they aren't gay then it will upset them and their girlfriends, and if they are then its obvious that they can't or don't want to talk about it so really either way shoving your opinions in their faces and their family and friends faces doesn't help. I'm not saying you don't have a right to think that or have an opinion, but sometimes you might want to think about who its affecting and respect what they are telling you, whether you believe it or not.”
Enough said.
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Alright. I think I have gotten most of the ones I could find.
I figured I would actually discuss them more in depth since I can kind of predict what Larries will say about it.
First of, yes I do realize people can lie. However, people do not go so far to call Larries vile, deluded freaks, fake fans, disbelievers, deranged, stupid, a lost cause, bitter, lonely, and fucking peasants. They would also not go so far to call the theory of Larry strange, ludicrous, bullshit, weird, as real as the tooth fairy, a fantasy, imaginary, fan fiction, rubbish, and a wasted obsession. (I personally do not believe everything said about Larries was necessarily appropriate, but it happened.)
Like I have said before, if they didn’t want to out Larry, there was no reason to lie. It can simple be avoided.
Second of all, if you believe their family and friends are under contract, go ahead and read these posts:
Larries’ Contract Theories I
Larries’ Contract Theories II
It is not only about Harry and Louis, but that Act protects their loved ones as well.
Also, like I said before, these are all people who have known Harry and Louis all their lives or are very good friends or are people they work with. These are not random people who claim to have met Louis and claim to have been told that he hates Larry or that Elounor is real.
I find it really doubtful that these people would not know the truth, and I think if you are telling yourself that, you need to really think about that.
[Added Aug 2017]
After reading all this, there’s no denial that the only constant in the seven-year-long 1D history has been these people denying the existence of a romantic relationship between Louis and Harry. And I’d dare to say that the only constant in the 1D fandom has been the abuse and harassment they have subjected these persons to because of it.
WORDS MATTER. RESPECT THESE PEOPLE’S WORDS. RESPECT THEIR TRUTH. STOP THE DISRESPECT AND THE ENTITLEMENT.
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TV Reacts to Sony E3 2k17
Last year I made a compilation of my reactions to the sony conference and posted it to my tumblr, skipped tweeting live reactions to just script them all out. This year I'm going to do the same. These reactions are live, and prone to miss details, so that's just how we go.
Anyway speaking of last year, Sony's been doing good! The last few years for them have been solid shows, and I hope and pray that from those successes they've learned how to be consistant in delivering well. Here's hoping.
So I'm gonna start typing as the conference goes and we'll see where we go. Let's begin!
Just before it starts, I want to give a special shoutout to the Undertale for PS4 trailer. Cause wow.
HERE WE GO IT BEGINS
Bound? Why show Bound in the opening compilation? That game didn't do as well as I'd hoped it would. Hmm.
Repping that Abzu though, I love Abzu. Y'all play Abzu.
Last time sony had a big live orchestra. Same deal this time? Wow, okay, not an orchestra this time. Still classy as hell tho. Sony gotta rep that Class.
Good lord the waterfall y'all. Sony come on goddamn the light patterns? The Class. THE CLASS.
This has nothing whatsoever to do with games but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't enjoying it.
OKAY HERE COMES A VIDEOGAME. What's it gonna be? Uncharted? I'm seeing Uncharted maybe? Yeah that's the next Uncharted, the one with Chloe and the girl from UC4 I don't remember the name of. Volume's not working right unfortunately.
The volume not coming through to the screen properly is annoying but is anyone else hype for the girls' roadtrip of adventure? I sure am.
Probably gonna have to watch this trailer again with the actual game volume. I hope to god Sony fixes this issue quick so I can hear the other trailers.
Right into a second trailer, no time for anyone on stage it's GUERILLA GAMES WHATCHA GOT? HORIZON OR KILLZONE?
HORIZON HORIZON HORIZON TWO I WAS WRONG IT'S ALREADY ANNOUNCED
Volume's still busted but FUCK YEAH I SEE A TALLNECK. Horizon 2 set in the Banuk lands, how here am I for this? Very. Aloy has the Ultraweave armour, I was literally thinking this morning about how they'd do progress from the previous game to this one. Keep it all.
HORIZON ZERO DAWN THE FROZEN WILDS COMING TWENTY SEVENTEEN WHAT WHAT WHAT? IS IT DLC? WHAT?
Bend Studio, I don't recall what their deal is. Really wish this lack of trailer audio coming through to the stream would be fixed. Anyway this looks like that zombie game so I'ma check out for a few minutes. Don't care about zombie games.
Maaaan, I just finished Horizon yesterday (They just fixed the audio issue) and now the next (Game? Expansion?) is announced. I can't believe this. This rules. Horizon is one of my favourite games from this year, y'all gotta play that too.
Games can be s o violent. It's a surprise they show this so readily in these sorts of conferences but I guess it's fine. Gotta cover all angles, from saccharine to gritty, even if by including brutal stuff it filters out a younger audience. Guess the youngers don't have enough buying power to really justify marketing to them in a conference designed to generate buying hype.
l m f a o at the hanging bodies above the stage that flail as they do in the game goddamn Sony wants the Showmanship Award fo sho.
Hiding in grass and throwing rocks, basically stealing all of Horizon's stuff right now.
For as good as this game looks it's not really putting anything innovative out there, just next level of quality. I really can't find any interest in Days Gone (I remembered what the title was).
I recall the zombie horde in this being described as liquid and I really do see that. They just washed away all opposition.
Zombie Bear. That's a problem.
This dude doing the fucking praising bow what is that. Anyway after three trailers, Shawn is on stage. Sony really evoking how well last year went.
"I had to walk under zombies to get out on stage right now" This guy's basically saying "This is gonna be all about games" and that's what we need to hear.
He's not wrong about the past few months being amazing for games. HZD, Nioh, Res7, P5, I heard one other game but I couldn't tell what it was. Hope it was Nier Automata. Maybe not since it's not exclusive. Was Res7 exclusive?
Thanks Shawn, let's get back to the games.
Rabid cult following title? It is... MONSTER HUNTER. HELL YEAH I HEARD ABOUT THIS. Monster Hunter World, right? Tell me how this is gonna be.
Hiding in grass to avoid monsters, that's completely new to start with. Then again this isn't going to be like a normal MonHun, it's going to be something different. How different? Something we still care for? I hope so.
Immediate mount, thrown free, grappling hook, a million things are happening here.
The FIRE JETS ARE YOU SERIOUS? SONY
Anyway what's most important is this game still plays like a MonHun. The music wasn't playing when that guy was cooking the meat and already that's a strike against.
Next game is... why does that look like the sotc building oh my god. You wouldn't. You OH MY GOD THIS IS SOTC
A HD REMAKE? WOW. Goddamn.
New Marvel game, neat.
Wait why was Megaman there? Why is Chun Li here? This is happening. Is that a Jhen Moran? Is this Capcom World? Capcom x Marvel? Marvel vs Capcom Infinite, my goodness.
Being distracted by other things, next game is a war thingy again, not my taste, I can chill at least. Ah it's a CoD. Yeah none of my business.
Next is VR Skyrim. That's cool. My twitch stream is buffering a lot though. Makes me sad.
Next up, from playful, is... It's still a VR game. The VR block started unannounced this year compared to last year, but then again last year was the announcement of the VR headset so that makes sense. That does mean this block of games isn't hugely interesting to me, I don't have a drive to get into VR yet. It'd need to take something earthshaking to do it.
The game is Star Child. Looks nice, I'm not doing VR at this point in my life.
Next from Supermassive games is... hmm, supermassive, what did they do? I should remember this. I don't. It's still PSVR. Is this the Batman VR? Arkham VR? No, just a VR experience.
Another FFXV thing. VR Fishing Games inside FFXV? Amazing. They really love putting games inside this videogame. Monster of the Deep, fantastic. The longer I put off playing XV the more content it gains.
Another Supermassive title... they are the VR people it seems. Shooty shooty gun gun has never been my style so I'm cool here. What's next?
Polyarc bringing us... a cute little rodent guy on an adventure. That's adorable. Looks like players control an orb that oversees this little'un, rather than the hero itself. Moss. Fascinating.
The sounds of water gave way to someone rowing a boat. This isn't a VR title, this is something OH YEAH there's God of War. I was waiting for it to arrive. Let's get another look into what this game is going to be.
Dad Simulator continues. Kratos trying to raise a kid. What a life. Oh... Fenrir? Is Kratos bringing Ragnarok?
Kratos climbing a cliff with the kid on his back was incredible. This game is going to be an experience.
WORLD SERPENT. Excellent. can't wait to fight that.
Early 2018, good lord, next year isn't going to be any more merciful than this one was.
I recognise that circle on the side of the head, but don't know from where. Looks to be Detroit Become Human though which is another game that I really don't find myself caring for. We'll let it be.
I can't tell if this glitching is because of the game itself or the video. Hmmm. Also this gosh dang buffering is not stopping, I'm definitely going to be watching past this stream's ending time for normal people.
Next is from Bungie. Destiny 2? Yeah definitely Destiny 2. Looks to be Cabal focused. I like the Cabal, so that's good stuff. Probably still won't go into it though. I had my fun time wtih the first Destiny but that was enough for me.
Looks like Sony got the exclusivity (for a period of time) deal again. Sucks to want to play this on xbox.
Shawn's back to talk to us some more. What's up, Shawn? You got any bombshells for us? Cause while there's been a lot of games there's certainly been nothing that intensive.
Apparently a big name is coming, it's... oh right, Spiderman. Insomniac Spiderman. Excellent.
Oh the video glitching is still here, maybe it's my stream catching up? Or video problems. W/e, doesn't stop me from understanding it. Spiderman's silent takedowns are pretty effective. Impressively so.
These moves are really something. Spiderman fighting like a boss. It's cool to see.
I wonder if spiderman automatically saves people from death? I can't see him actually killing humans, even bad guys.
DAMN SPIDEY YOU STRONG.
This swingign and city navigation looks really good. Very excited for this spiderman game.
Those webs are truly impressive. Very good showing.
Okay looks like that's it for the conference. It was... kinda quiet, ultimately. There's no real bombshells, nothing earthshaking, just solid quality and variety. I can't complain, definitely not. It just means Sony's gonna keep kicking goals as they are right now.
Games of note from this conference then? The Uncharted 4 Expansion/Next game/whatever it is, Horizion Zero Dawn Expansion/Next Game/Whatever, Monster Hunter Worlds, Shadow of the Colossus Remake, God of War and Spiderman. 6 things in this conference I'm very here for. Not too shabby, not at all. Thanks Sony!
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