#ss4 gogeta // ☆ ic ☆

[unboundpower]

❝ "Smash or pass"? I think I overheard Trunks playing this with Goten and their friends once...still wondering what it's even about. ❞

[fusiioneternal-a]

     ❝ It brought me a special kind of joy to kill Frieza back then. Still can't believe he was even resurrected for...what? The second time? ❞

     ❝ I made sure he wasn't going to join Universe 7's team back for the tournament in my timeline. I don't know what Whis and Beerus were thinking in yours. ❞

     ❝ He's been dead in mine for the past few decades, thankfully. Good riddance. ❞

[tigerlover16-uk]

So, why do you think the Super 17 Saga turned out so poorly when Fusion Reborn is considered so good?

That’s an interesting comparison actually.

The thing about Fusion Reborn you have to keep in mind is: It was a FUN movie. It had it’s share of drama and tension in the stuff with Goku and Vegeta, but it was a very simple story. Something goes wrong in Otherworld, an evil villain is created that starts wrecking havoc, villains escape to earth and cause more havoc, Goku has to save the day while his sons, Videl and Trunks are on clean up duty on earth. It’s all very straightforward, and while we do get some character stuff between Goku and Vegeta, most of the movie is just about being entertaining. With great animation, good action, and the whole “Undead invading the earth” concept is played for fun.

Janemba is a cool villain. His initial giant babyish form is amusing, and his devil like second form looks extremely cool and he’s incredibly dangerous with cool powers. He doesn’t really have much character or any depth, guy doesn’t even get to speak, but he works as an intimidating threat and providing fun action scenes and pushing Goku and Vegeta to work together. His defeat was a bit rushed, but the build up to Gogeta made it largely satisfying either way.

The situation on earth is a lot more lighthearted meanwhile. While it does make Frieza and the other old villains into a joke, it doesn’t linger on that. We get one very brief scene where Frieza shows up and summons a ton of past villains to do battle with him… and then Gohan just flies over, disintegrates Frieza with one punch, and the other villains flee. The anti climactic nature is funny, and because it’s a quick moment and the story soon forgets about it, it doesn’t feel annoying if you’re a fan of past villains. We don’t see the rest of them getting clobbered, most of the action involves Gohan, Videl and briefly Mr Satan fighting generic undead monsters like zombies, while Goten and Trunks fight a parody of Hitler and the Nazi’s, complete with the dub adding a joke about the whole silly controversy of the Super Saiyan’s colour scheme.

The fact that the scene with Frieza was brief means that, while it may be annoying for some, it didn’t hammer in too much how weak the old villains are compared to our heroes now. And the fact that the movie is explicitly non canon and a side story helps a bit. The movie is fun and exciting, and so the scene fits.

GT tried to play the whole “Villains escape hell and invade earth” concept for drama. And that’s where it suffered. We got more moments with the villains going around attacking a city and people, but we barely get any fights. The ones we do get are brief and not satisfying. And when it becomes obvious that none of these guys can put up a real fight, the tension slips away and things quickly become dull.

Just look at Frieza and Cell, we have the two biggest and most iconic villains of the franchise (Minus Majin Buu) Together teaming up to fight Goku… and Goku’s so far past them now that they can’t do anything to him. The show tries to add some tension by showing that they’re pretty much invincible and can go on as long as they want (Opening up so many contradictions with how Z’s filler portrayed dead characters and the afterlife), but that gets brushed aside pretty quickly for the two sending him deeper into hell so some kooky old lady can put him on ice. Which backfires immediately because Goku is still alive, and Goku quickly breaks free, freezes Cell and Frieza, then we get a joke where Goku accidentally shatters them. The whole thing makes Frieza and Cell look weak, incompetent and like total jokes by the end. The fight we get isn’t even good. It all just comes off as insulting to their legacy, especially since while it’s not canon either, GT WAS trying to be an official continuation of Dragon Ball and plays this situation straight unlike Fusion Reborn, so the results have more weight to them.

The fights on earth don’t even make the Z fighters look impressive. They just make the few past villains look pathetic and that the Z Fighters are just on litter duty. There aren’t any cool fights, it mostly just Goten, Trunks et all standing around and blasting villains into oblivion with no real effort. The only villain who puts up a fight is General Rilldo, who was introduced in this series, and his fight with Gohan just serves to make Gohan look like a wimp since he doesn’t even get to throw a punch as Rilldo clobbers him before being anti-climactically one-shot by Majuub. Any good moments the Z Fighters might have had are undermined by how little a challenge they faced cleaning up the villains rampage, and by their all immediately being clobbered by Super 17 with no effort.

I mean, maybe it’s good that we barely saw any of the villains getting killed again so that most of them didn’t get a chance to look useless on screen, but it’s still insulting to all of them when they can’t pose any challenge. I mean, stuff like the red ribbon army getting killed instantly by Pan is perfectly fine, naturally a lot of the old villains aren’t going to be able to match up with how strong our heroes are now, but they could have given us something. I mean, Cooler was shown among the invading villains. That means the movie villains were fair game. So that means we have Cooler, Bojack and his crew and Hirudegarn on hand to pose a threat to our heroes. Those villains would have made for some great fights and upped the tension by forcing our heroes to struggle. Heck, as lame a character as he is, they could have still brought in Broly and he would have made for a good fight or two. Why not finally give King Cold something to do other than show off how cool Future Trunks is by easily killing the guy?

We could have even had the rest of the Z fighters besides Majuub and the saiyans get involved, like Tien, Yamcha and Krillin (Give him something to do besides get killed so he doesn’t feel like just a prop to move the story along) to fight some of the weaker villains too, really make use of the wide supporting cast and have some great action scenes. Instead of killing Nappa instantly, maybe we could demonstrate Vegeta’s character development and have him try to talk Nappa down instead and try to get through to him, apologize for treating him like disposable trash when he wasn’t useful to him and offer him a second chance. Or do something similar with Raditz and Gohan or Goku. Heck, we could have had Bardock show up randomly to help out his grandkids, since he’s bound to be in hell for his sins. There was a lot of potential with this premise, but the writers didn’t seem to want to do anything with it but the absolute minimum of what they needed to show so they could instead focus on their plot with the two evil scientist villains and Super 17.

And Super 17 is one of the most boring villains in the franchise. He has almost no personality whatsoever, his design looks a bit silly, and he’s just boring to watch. He gets a meh fight against SS4 Goku after a scene where he makes the other Z fighters look like wimps without any effort, and then he’s beaten anti-climactically. Janemba might not have had a character to him, but he was at least fun to watch and gave a good showing in his fights. Super 17 though? Just tedious and the concept behind him is stupid and just wrecks any potential for bringing Android 17 back.

And the actual drama with 17 and 18 is so brief and not particularly well written that it just feels like a waste. If things were written a lot better, this could have been a compelling tragedy, but instead it just feels annoying. And as cool as it is to see Android 18 be useful in defeating a main villain, she doesn’t even get an impressive showing, just showing up at the last minute to fire a bunch of energy balls at Super 17 to leave him vulnerable so Goku could do all the hard work himself. Not exactly all that cool. Fusion Reborn had a lot better focus on Goku and Vegeta having to work together as a team to beat the villain and the result was satisfying. Here 18 gets the bare minimum of use and is still overshadowed by Goku.

All of this just serves to make the saga feel tedious, boring and like a depressing waste of potential. The whole thing feels joyless, with very few jokes and only about 3 of them being particularly okay. Piccolo’s hammy declarations of how evil he is while blasting heaven are amusing for example, but that’s undercut by how insulting it is that they rubbed salt into the wounds left by his earlier death by stranding him in hell for the rest of the series. And there’s a bunch of other dumb decisions that just make the whole saga a chore to sit through.

So, basically that sums it up. Fusion Reborn is one of the best dragon ball movies because it used it’s premise for fun. Super 17 is one of the worst sagas in all of dragon ball because it plays a similar scenario for drama, and fails miserably in every way and instead just becomes boring and underwhelming, with a touch of insulting here and there. It really was just the laziest execution all around. Which is sad, because that’s the kind of story they can only do once and there was plenty of potential to it.

[unboundpower]

🔥🔥🔥 [For each fusion]

Send 🔥 for an unpopular opinion from my muse! // still accepting for now but y'all i'm gonna start needing topics because the brain well is Dryer than i thought it was

❝ Eating out at restaurants for a romantic date or the like is pointless, since you can share a meal with someone at any time of any day. Why make a big deal of it for one occasion? Especially since you yourself didn't prepare any of the food. ❞

❝ Locations of expansive wilderness, like forests, should always be closed off from the public. The Karinga Tribe deals with too many invasive trespassers too often, and in general, most people who visit this area don't treat the land with respect. The amount of litter I've had to destroy…tch. ❞

❝ I've heard what the best pizza toppings are is a common debate…well, I'm here to say that the best toppings are these: anchovies, with slices of grapes and oranges! Maybe banana slices too, if I'm feeling adventurous that day. ❞

[unboundpower]

Lila @ Vegito - Pink, Yellow, Orange Azalea @ Four - Lavender, Gray ("Is swag a compliment? It was meant to be a compliment!"), Orange, Red

What Color am I to you? // closed

Pink: you're fun and annoying at the same time, Yellow: funniest person ever, Orange: i feel safe around you

❝ Careful there. You might get me to start thinking that you actually like me. ❞

Lavender: i love your energy you give pretty vibes, Gray: you're swag, Red: i kinda have a crush on you

❝ As far as I'm aware, swag is a compliment, judging on how I've heard Trunks and Goten use it. But thanks for the sweet words. ❞

❝ Ditto on the crush thing, by the way. ❞

He just thinks she's real neat.

[unboundpower]

I don't know this is a big like...maybe if they reconnected somehow but. Four and Suno.

Recommend romantic candidates! // accepting

The name was definitely familiar, but he still had to take a moment to stare at the woman's photograph.

❝ Suno huh...from Jingle Village, right?❞ Four chuckled, feeling a bizarre sense of nostalgia.

❝ Based on what I can remember, she had great personality. Though, she won't have any idea who I am…but most importantly, she might not understand if I try to explain it. So, I can't give my approval over this, but I'm not going to say no either. ❞

[unboundpower]

     ❝ ...How old are we again? ❞

     ❝ I don't know. We're just old, I guess. ❞

[unboundpower]

     ❝ I wonder if the Destroyers and Angels and "Omni Kings" even exist in my timeline. I don't remember ever hearing a word about them. ❞

[unboundpower]

     ❝ "We'd be cooked bananas"....I'm gonna start using that now. ❞

[unboundpower]

@synthetixflora​ asked: Flowers was not something a girl would typically give a boy as it was traditionally the other way around, but Azalea was not necessarily a traditional girl in the first place. So, beaming at the redheaded Saiyan, the Rooder presented him with an assorted bouquet. "I heard it was your birthday recently, so happy birthday, Four," she declared, smiling brightly. "I wasn't sure what to get you, but I figured flowers were alright - especially since these kinds of flowers are edible and make for great spices! I got you jasmines, lavenders, honeysuckles, clovers, basils... all good stuff! So the next time you go hunting for food, you can give it a bit of seasoning!"

It was rare for him to receive visitors, outside of the occasional visit by family, in his stretch of the woods. It was even rarer for someone to come and wish him a happy birthday - no matter how on time or late it was. The Saiyan blinked incredulously at the offered bouquet, and only after a fleeting thought that he should accept it, did his hands rise up to take it. The petals and leaves were brushed against his nose as he inhaled the various floral scents emanating from them. It truly was a thoughtful gift, one that caused a red color to slowly darken his face.

     ❝ Thanks Azalea. No one's ever given me flowers before... ❞ Much less flowers that actually served a use outside of looking pretty and smelling good. Four would ignore the fluttering sensation in his chest, and instead focus on the ways how he could literally spice up future meals.

[unboundpower]

@synthetixflora​ asked:

Truth Serum + "How soft is your tail? It looks very fluffy!" Azalea @ Four

Truth Serum + "What do you like best about Vegito?" Lila @ Amita ;)

Send a question and my muses have to tell the truth. // accepting

     ❝ Uh...pretty soft, I guess? I don't know how else to describe it. ❞ The red-haired Saiyan looked down at the furry appendage, wiggling it, before facing Azalea with a smile.

     ❝ Did you want to feel it? Maybe that'll provide a better answer. ❞

~

     ❝ ...Best? ❞  She blinked repeatedly, and frankly had to stop and think for a moment. There were...many things she liked about Vegito, but to pick out one thing that she deemed the best was a very tall order. So tall that her thoughts were racing frantically to the point that she couldn't pick anything. The static in her brain was buzzing too loud.

     ❝ I...I can't answer that. Way too many options to consider, and I doubt you want to stand there and listen to me ramble about them for over an hour or whatever. ❞ 

[unboundpower]

@synthetixviola​ asked: TRUTH + What insecurities do you have? (All the boys!)

Truth Serum! / CLOSED

A grimace spread across all three of their faces. None of them wanted to answer, but of course, that wasn't an option this time around...

     ❝ I don't want to be defused, but still I...question whether I truly have the right to live, when I'm not supposed to be here at all. I'm entirely sure Vegeta wouldn't have gone through with fusing if he knew it could be permanent all of a sudden. I can't say if Goku wouldn't have been opposed to it as well. The two of them technically forfeited their lives for mine, without meaning to. That will forever be looming in the back of my mind. ❞

Gogeta's words hit too close to home for him, and he figured for Four as well. Vegito chose to touch upon something else, that may or may not also fit his counterparts.

     ❝ Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but I have the sneaking suspicion that I'll never be enough for the people I care about. No matter what I do, I'll be nothing more than a fuck-up in someone's eyes, or an inherently flawed...thing. ❞

     ❝ I'll say the one that I know applies to the two of them as well: doubtful that anyone will actually ever consider us our own people. Namely, in the eyes of those who used to know Goku and Vegeta. Comparisons will always be made, it's inevitable, and that's the most frustrating part. ❞

[unboundpower]

     ❝ I guess those houses in Monopoly aren't such big deals after all, hehe! ❞

[unboundpower]

@risingsouls​ asked: 🥃 gimme one for each boi :3

A shot for a personal fact. // accepting for a while longer

Four downed another cup, and played with the small glass container in his hand.  ❝ Once in a blue moon, I have card games with Korin. He's told me there's no point in me receiving training from him since there's nothing new he can teach me anymore, so I thought something simple and easy like that could be fun for us. He's tried that mind-reading trick of his to get the upper edge, but I think I've gotten the hang of blocking him out. ❞

Gogeta was a little more relaxed now (maybe because of the alcohol and calm atmosphere?). He swallowed his second cup after refilling it.

     ❝ I had a customer try to ask me out once, when I was working the register at my workplace. She just...went for it, after flirting with me for a second. I admit that I stared at her in shock a little too long, but I declined. She left disappointed, but I have to give her props for her bravery. I personally could never. ❞

Vegito's second shot went down easy. His tail swayed as he recalled an amusing memory.

     ❝ Goten had his 14th birthday party in one of those entertainment, arcade places in Satan City. Still surprised Chi Chi agreed to that, but anyway, he challenged me to play against him in this dance game that had its own little stage. Had to hit the arrows on it with your feet in time with the songs n’ whatnot. Couldn't turn him down, even if I was hesitant to get up onto the platform in front of the dozens of people around us. I got into the rhythm pretty quick though! My score stomped his. ❞ The potara fusion puffed out his chest, looking rather proud of himself.

[unboundpower]

@risingsouls​ asked: Truth + If you could tell any one person anything you wanted without consequences, who would it be and what would you say to them?

Truth Serum! // accepting

     ❝ I have to pick just one? Well...I'll go with the easy route and say Bulma. I'd tell her she's a half-witted princess-wannabe who's had everything handed to her on a silver platter. And that she took her friendship with Goku for granted. ❞

     ❝ ...Lucy. I'd apologize for scaring her off that day, but I'd also say that her kneejerk reaction to what I said told a lot about her character. ❞

     ❝ I'll slightly break the rules here and give you two people! The both of them standing next to me. I'd say that their Super Saiyan Blueberry transformation is a silly joke that makes a mockery of a Saiyan's true potential. ❞

Four remarked with a smirk, ignoring the unamused stares his counterparts sent his way.

[unboundpower]

Anonymous asked: TRUTH + Can you skateboard, Four?

Truth Serum! // accepting

     ❝ I've never tried, so I don't know! But how hard could it be? ❞

Don't let him near a skateboard. Either he'll fall on his ass, accidently break the board, or send the board flying at mach speeds and probably kill someone-