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well, I believe from what I saw in the show that Will doesn't have internalized homophobia. He knows he is gay and he accepts it. I believe he is simply mad about himself for loving Mike the way he does. He believes he has no chance to end up with him. That's what hit my eyes the most when I was watching the show.

Idk I was also thinking:" why did the duffers make Will fall in love with Mike specifically when Byler was the purest friendship of the show?". They could have showed us Will pinning on boys just like they did with Robin or Dustin(with Max). Why Mike? It doesn't make sense to me unless the story isn't over. Now, how will this story end ? I don't know but it's not over.

I doubt Mike has internalized homophobia or at least I don't see it in the show. I think Mike is lost between what he wants and what people want him to be/do. This is why he lets his mom choose his clothes , this is why he is a fan of Eddie who is against conformity , this is why in season 3 he said that a boy and a girl are supposed to hang out together and make out a lot (when it's not true. He can have friends and be in a relationship. He shouldn't be forced to make his life about his relationship the way he thought he needed to do),... I may be wrong but this is what my neutral ass is telling me.

About the I love you, here is my take : I think Mike probably saw that his parents were telling each other ily in the past but Mike saw that their relationship is a big flop so I believe that since Mike isn't sure that El is the right person for him, he refuses to do like his parents and give her false hopes. He probably thinks that ily is a word you shouldn't tell anyone unless you're sure about your feelings. Now, he saw that El needed that ily and when she was almost dying in front of him, he probably thought about smth that would make El very happy and allow her to get stronger which is that ily word. Now, I believe that this ily was a little pushed because Mike really wanted to save El (he is the heart). It didn't come spontaneously. Pretty sure that if Will didn't remind Mike about what he told him in the van, that monologue would have never happened.This is why I am not sure Mike will be able to tell her ily that easily when she will ask him to unless Mike is sure about what he wants. If when he gets his shit together, he realizes that El is the one then I think he will definitely be able to tell it to her more easily but if he realises that it's other factors such as what people expect him to be that lead him to think that being with El was the right thing to do then he will tell her ily but this time he will make it clear to her that it's not romantically. I think that El's independent arc lead her to detach herself from Mike meaning that she doesn't have that codependency issues she had before. It's good.

Thank you for listening to me btw 🙌

lmao😭 alright it's gonna be a long message😭

1. "Will doesn't have internalized homophobia"

wrong, from the very first episode we already know that Lonnie was making fun of him and bullied him for a possibility that he's gay, also he was bullied in school, was it bc of the possibility of being gay? who knows, but later we have a scene between mike and troy at school- and why did mike react like this in the first place? because troy was making fun of his missing "dead" friend saying that he's gay, that might be the proof that Will was bullied for being "gay" in school not even knowing that he's actually gay (i think that if he knew already then he was trying to deny it) Now let's focus on s3- mike tells him "it's not my fault you don't like girls" it was not supposed to be homophobic!!!! from mikes pov Will was calling his girlfriend stupid only bc he's the only one in the party without a girl and who's not interested in that stuff (yet or yk👀) and who's fault is that? definitely not Mike's 🙄(actually yeah it is your fault Michael 😭😭😭) but how did Will reacted?? do u remember? he started to think that his priority is "stupid" and that he should let it go and focus on something else like the rest of the party. In s4 we can see that he's actually struggling with his feelings for mike, he said in the van scene something like this "and when you're different, sometimes you feel like a mistake" and let's not forget the part in the script "i hate who i am" . This is for everyone who thinks that mike has internalized homophobia- it's actually Will byers and duffer brothers were telling us that since the very beginning. It's about Will Byers, it always has been.

2." byler was the purest friendship of the show" well idk what to say here, it depends. Byler is special, because dustin,lucas,will- they're all Mike's friends, his best friends, and when dustin was trying to tell mike that lucas is his best friend, mike was really mad and said that dustin is his best friend too (and to prove it he jumped of the cliff for his teeth😭) mike is really loyal, he would never pick his favourite friend, he loves everyone, and every his friend is different and he acts different around them, for example: ofc that he will be nicer to Will than to lucas, Will is a little pookie and everyone is nice to him😭(whatever he likes it or not👀) (when they were joking around in s3 it ended really bad, that shows that Will is not a person that will take that with a distance) and lucas is more a person to joke and yk do all that stuff. But there's a difference from Will's pov and I'm not talking about his feelings for mike, it's about the fact, that he shares lucas with mike, and he shares dustin with mike, but mike himself is like a safe place for him, it was his first best friend, they met in kindergarten and they were a duo, I'll risk to say that mike was always the closest friend to will mostly bc of that, but mike doesn't have his fav, he's just more calm, caring and loving around Will than Dustin and Lucas cuz Will is different, he always has been different. Their relationship was special, but it got "ruined" in s3 when we can see that mike has different priorities than Will. And did they ruin their friendship? i don't think so, ofc they argued in s3-4 but it's important, it was a sign that their friendship is different from mike& lucas or mike&dustin ones. Will's coming out doesn't have to be the end of their sweet friendship, who said that?? like, we don't know anything yet, why does everyone think it's the end of their friendship and that there's something more? i think that it will help them to develop and become a really iconic and powerful duo in s5.

3. "i doubt mike has internalized homophobia" well here i agree but that's bc i believe he's straight lmao😭😭

4. i think mike exactly knows what he wants(or who🗿), but at the same time he wants to fit, he wants to be a normal teenager with a normal life and be happy.

5. About Mike's mom choosing his clothes- i think the best season for mike was s3, he was actually himself then, and he was wearing what he wanted to, in s1 he was wearing clothes that a good son from a big rich family wears, in s2 he was literally depressed and he did not care about that💀, and in s4 he was trying to look cool, for El, for Eddie, for himself. So yea s3 was his season. I think that the time between s3-4 mike was really lost (new school, he lost his girlfriend and best friend, he was extremely bullied by the whole school etc.) and he just did not care enough to focus on his clothes that much (until hellfire club)

6."he is a fan of Eddie" well actually he was 😚(😭). And it's actually a hard thing to talk about, i see it like this- it was just mike and dustin against the whole school, and then Eddie wanted them to join hellfire, it's better to be with someone that with everyone yea? so they wanted to join, they wanted to be a part of something, they wanted to fit. We can see a huge difference between how Eddie treated Dustin and how Eddie treated Mike. That's probably the reason why mike felt like he needs to change his look (hair, clothes) to fit and be liked like Dustin.

7. "he said that a boy and a girl are supposed to hang out together and make out a lot" well not exactly. Also let's remember that it's his first relationship and he's 14, he was dealing with a horrible trauma cuz he thought El is dead so now they wanted to spend all their time together. People can say whatever they want, but mike was paying attention to his friends, maybe not as much as before El but that's not surprising, oh god they were young teenagers in love leave them alone. El is the one people should worried about cuz she literally had no life except mike, so yea max helped a lot here, she helped El to find herself, also it's very important that El finally have her own friend, and not a friend that she shares with mike.(see i said "have"😽 can't say that anymore 😭😭😭😭) but El changed after s3, and I'm sure that they are more mature rn, and their relationship will never look the way it did at the beginning of s3 again.

8. about the ily i have my own perspective, but if u believe that mike is gay or anything like that then u won't even listen to me and i don't wanna argue with a wall😭😭 but I'm focusing on Mike's character since 2019 and i still believe he's straight. Let's remember that yea he loves El but in common we have a huge trauma about losing her again, he said that he loves her when something bad was about to happen and no one was listening to him ( in s3) but this time it was different, he was scared that she's just going to leave him cuz she doesn't need him anymore (i mean she was lying to him about how perfect life she has in lenora without him so i don't blame him) and he was scared to say it, he was scared that if he will then she will leave him sooner than she already planned. Ofc it might be connected to his parents, he doesn't really use a word "love" but he's just an awkward teenager, talking about feelings is never easy and some people have a bigger problem with that and it's okay, that's exactly what makes this show real. The monologue was honest, I'm sorry but mike is literally such a loyal, caring, and loving character, he would never, NEVER say to her that he can't live without her only for her to save the world and then to leave her for her brother(or literally anyone else)he would never do that. And Will wouldn't even allowed him to do that anyway 😭 the whole theory is wild to me.

9. have u seen the leaked mileven s5 scene? well, we don't know what are they talking about, but we can see how mature mike is. He's way calmer when he talks to her, he's not losing his words like he does rn, and their conversation looks way better than the ones they already had, so i feel like it's not about mike who doesn't know what he wants, it's just about 14 old awkward teenager who's struggling with opening up about how he feels. People really blame mike that he can't say it straight to El, but did Will manage that? no. And that's totally okay, they're just teenagers, we need to stop judge them so bad😭

sorry that it's so long and late!!😭😭😭

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