#this isn't a story about compulsion it's a story about choices and processing one's feelings and regrets
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What gets me about Solas is that he says things that aren't true pretty often, but that he rarely straight-up lies on purpose. I don't think he likes doing it, and he's not great at doing it purposely. He thinks being clever is the same as being correct and views his cleverness as a trait that gives him inherent value. Fitting, given that he seems to consider himself wisdom and pride in equal measure. His value is in being what he is at the core, before all this other complex physical being stuff got in there.
When he thinks he's being more or less honest, he does just outright say things that are questionable or untrue, usually because he's projecting or mirroring and too caught up in himself to realize that he's fucking up. I think if you're too biased toward him, you'll end up with a hostile relationship with the rest of the canon because of the dissonance. He acts the part of the villain because he thinks being that kind of self-aware balances it out, but it really doesn't.
And I do think some of this comes from the fact that his devotion to Mythal is a part of himself that he has to work backwards from. I'm not against a romantic reading of Solas and Mythal, I'm not generally someone who's "jealous" about my ships in that way, but even with the in-character conversation about it, I'm really not that convinced. They don't interact like lovers outside of that one memory. His devotion doesn't read as romantic to me -- but his issues make 100x more sense to me if Mythal occupies this sort of beloved companion/functionally his mother kind of space. There are just ways that only our parents can really fuck us up.
Even in his private memories, Solas not only regrets taking a body, but remembers himself as reluctant. I don't think he had the necessary conviction to take physical form for its own sake. I don't think he could have taken a body and still called himself "Wisdom" (or whatever the Elvhen equivalent is). I simply do not believe he had the force of will for that -- which tracks with other things in canon about Wisdom spirits being rare and kind of delicate and uninterested in permanent manifestation. I think the conviction he needed to get into that body came mostly from his devotion to Mythal; his physical form is literally built on his service to her and the need to keep Elgar'nan from running amok.
He is incapable of being honest about her. His feelings about her are literally part of who he is. It's why I really don't have a problem with needing Mythal's fragments to let him go to get the redemption ending. But living his life in the place that he was living it without wholesale rebelling against Mythal (because he did rebel against her, but only technically; he fully believed she would join his rebellion and was just getting her shit together first) would have required that he make a lot of excuses for her when she wouldn't follow his advice.
I'm sure Mythal was "the best of them". Maybe before they were all Blighted and she was murdered, she really was the smartest, strongest, kindest, or the Most Good. But I think it's more likely that a lot of that was because of Solas's advice that she did listen to (because I think it's likely that did happen quite a lot, she asked him to take a body so that he could advise her), or messes that he cleaned up, or plans that he made work. He made her better, but he enabled her, too. Mythal went down in history as the slayer of the Titans, but Solas made her the knife when she asked for it instead of saying no.
And I think that when you lie to yourself so consistently about the most important thing in your life... you end up lying about everything else in some fashion, too. Because if your sense of reality is clouded, it sure does get harder to be objective about pretty much anything. And like many a genius who gets sucked into a cult because they think they're too smart not to see it coming, I think that Solas's cleverness -- and the fact that having a body seems to have tipped his scale toward Pride much more often, given his name -- only made it that much easier for him to come up with justifications and reasons anytime he might have risked a serious introspection about Mythal. To the point of be absolutely delusional for what seems to be hundreds of years about Mythal's role in the rebellion.
He can't even admit with hindsight that she was allied with Elgar'nan and actively in a war against him for centuries. There's no fucking way he's a reliable source for What Mythal Was Really Like anymore. It's questionable that he ever was. And it's not because he was under compulsion or enslaved or bound by a spell, but because spirits are creatures of emotion first and foremost. You don't need a geas to engender that level of devotion, you just need a deep companionship between creatures made of pure emotion that don't change easily.
#bog post#solas#datv#datv spoilers#mythal#it's very telling to me that solas clearly knows what the right thing to do here is#he can look at the world and know that taking down the veil causes more harm than good#he knows that repairing the veil and soothing the blight will preserve the most amount of life#it's not that i think he's secretly banging on the walls trying to be a hero while mean mythal brainwashes him into shitty choices#i think he's someone who started his mortal life out on a very flawed foot#who came into it with the autonomy and abilities and relationships of a grown adult#with none of the benefits of self discovery and natural rebellion of childhood#and make no mistake mythal is absolutely on the hook for how this relationship went too#she convinced him to take a body *to be her advisor* and specifically to be a bulwark between elgar'nan and others#this isn't a story about compulsion it's a story about choices and processing one's feelings and regrets#solas is always one good shove away from doing what's best for everyone (and himself)#he's not even remotely blameless for anything he's ever done#but there's an essay in here about how the entire DA series is actually about mythal that i don't have the space or energy for lol
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1. They behave unethically.
According to clinical psychologist Ryan Howes, Ph.D, “Any signs that therapy is moving from a professional and empathic relationship to a romantic one should be considered a bright red flag.” (He recommended reading this page for more information.)
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6. They over-share.
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I saw a therapist for a few months who came highly recommended but seemed to hold a magnifying glass to all of my issues. I felt worse. I talked with her about it and felt even more pathologized. I was confused about whether she was just helping me see my “stuff” and I was being defensive, but made the choice to tell her I needed to end our work together. It turns out, this was the beginning of me setting healthy boundaries for myself and also led to my finding a therapist with whom I feel completely safe and positively regarded, even when we are processing my less than desirable aspects of self.
9. They’re a lousy listener.
While a therapist might not remember minute details, they should remember key facts about you and your concerns. According to Howes:
Not every therapist will remember your dog’s name, where you went to high school, and your favorite breakfast cereal every week. But they should recall your name and what brought you to therapy in the first place. If you feel like you’re constantly replaying your first session to help them help you better, you may want to take your business elsewhere.
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This includes answering phone calls — unless there’s an emergency — texting or even falling asleep. As Serani said, “A good therapist makes you the only focus.”
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If you feel like something isn’t right in your first phone call or initial session, this may be a bad sign. Some discomfort is a normal part of therapy, just as seeing a personal trainer isn’t always comfortable, but if you feel uncomfortable to the point of dreading or avoiding sessions, you may want to keep looking.
As Duffy said, “you should also feel comfortable in the atmosphere, physically, spiritually and emotionally, that your therapist provides.”
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Finding a good therapist with the expertise you need isn’t easy. But paying attention to these red flags can give you some guidance on when to walk away, and continue looking for a therapist who is right for you.
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Hey, I know this is like a billion years from where you are in YJ:DW, but I had this thought strike me: what if Danny could see and talk to Jason Todd's ghost? (assuming Red Hood isn't YJ canon) There's so much potential for angst there, especially if Danny is the only one who can see him, and decides to try and get Jason to cross over. Or heck, what if Danny had a hand in Jason's revival?
That’s a neat idea that definitely has some good angst potential. Have to admit though, I’m not entirely sure how it would work within the ghost-lore headcanons I’m using for YJ:DW specifically.
I can write a longer post on this if anyone wants but Basically ghosts in the Deathly Weapons-verse break into 2 unrelated categories that get lumped together for looking sort-of-similar on the surface: Ectoplasmic (the ones we see in DP) and what we’ll call Shades (DC ghosts like Secret, Deadman etc). Ectoplasmic “ghosts” are their own inter-dimensional entities so they can’t really “revive” in the traditional sense, and “passing on” is pretty much limited to accepting what they are and chilling in the Ghost Zone forever or straight-up discorporealising/ re-dying. Shade ghosts are the more traditional original-soul-bound-to-the-physical-world; either because external force is trapping them there, or because they were willful/ powerful/ knowledgeable enough to bind themselves. These ones can potentially be “revived” more easily, and can “pass on” if they’re released from whatever is holding them to this world.
If Jason came back as a Ectoplasmic ghost he’d work the same way DP ghosts do; most likely everyone would be able to see him unless he had some kind of Young Blood-esque visibility condition (in which case anyone who fit the criteria would also see him), and outside of extreme edge-cases revival would be off the table. (Throw a ‘plasmic ghost into a Lazarus Pit and they’ll just climb back out, except now wet and mad at you for giving them a skin condition.)
More likely that Jason would come back as a Shade-ghost (especially since he seems intended to revive in some capacity in YJ canon), in which case he might only be visible to certain people. In such a case though, I’m not sure it would be Danny who sees him.
I feel like Danny would be the least emotionally and symbolically connected to Robin!Jason of the Wayne-household residents who’ve appeared in YJ:DW. As mentioned in this post Danny kind of falls in this weird spot of being Dick’s Brother first and foremost where all the other Bat-Kids are Bruce’s Son/Daughter, and he has some personal qualms about Dick handing off the Robin mantle (and how close he feels he can/ “should” be to Jason) to work through because of that. Outside of the both-technically-death thing, I’m not sure there’d be much reason for Jason’s shade to attach himself to Danny as an anchor compared to Bruce, Dick, Alfred or even possibly Tim or some location of personal significance (unless Danny seeing him is due to the ectoplasm, in which case other ecto-ghosts should see him too).
Although, in this very specific hypothetical, Danny is probably one of the better people Jason’s ghost could attach too. We’re about a billion years from the end of YJ:DW right now but Grief and Healing is going to be a major theme of the core emotional arc, so by the time Jason comes along Danny’s going to be much better equipped to deal with even his canon death. Add to that that Danny’s had to work with ecto-ghosts and therefore tangentially-death-related problems since he was 14 and he’d be less thrown by Jason’s “reappearance” and more likely to think “this could be a ghost problem” early on compared to Bruce and Dick whose first thoughts would likely be “this is an illusion caused by losing my mind from guilt/grief”, especially if Danny can’t also see him. Plus, by that point Dick and Bruce do trust Danny pretty implicitly and let him take point where ghosts are concerned.
If Jason did appear as a Shade ghost, Danny’s process would probably look a little something like this:
Confirm that Jason is, in fact, a ghost and not a product of him going nuts
Work together to find a way to prove this to the others (while also working through any personal feelings and unresolved communication/ conflict issues)
Call in Bruce, Dick and Alfred and let them know
Family drama/ angst ensues
Collectively find Dr Fate/ John Constantine/ any other amenable magic-spiritualist hero who exists on Earth-16 to figure out how best to Deal With This.
As for Danny helping Jason (or other ghosts) to “pass on”, I kind of feel like that’s…. not really his ballpark. I don’t see Danny as someone who’d compulsively seek out other ghosts and feel obliged to “move them along” unless they were actively in distress or causing damage/ distress/ fear/ pain to others. Like, Johnny 13 wants to ride his motorcycle at full tilt through the streets of a town, terrifying the citizens? Get in the thermos or get out. Johnny 13 wants to ride his motorcycle at full tilt down a long, deserted county road? Fine, just don’t go into towns or bother other drivers. He’ll leave them alone so long as they leave other people alone.
In that regard I see Danny as sort of the fixer compared to Jazz’s counsellor - if a ghost is acting up because of some problem (or comes to him for help) then he’ll deal with it so that they can leave, or at least chill out. And if he can’t fix it (because the solution is harmful, the ghost’s nature/powers are too inherently dangerous or they’re just there being dicks by choice) he’ll capture and send them back to the Ghost Zone (or find someone who can exorcise a Shade) to remove the problem that way. He might gently float the suggestion, but if Jason wanted to pass on then that would be Jason’s choice to explore unless he specifically asked for help or became distressed/ disruptive enough to force Danny’s hand.
Similarly, I think revivals wouldn’t really be Danny’s ballpark either; it’s not a solution he’d like and he has neither the knowledge, interest, skills or equipment to actually facilitate any of the rare reliable edge-cases methods of resurrection. Danny prefers to keep to the ‘best left alone’ side of ‘Meddling with dark forces best left alone’ as much as is possible.
Personally I kind of prefer the revival stories where Jason isn’t around until his actual return. I think there’s more easy gut-punch mileage in most of those versions. That structure forces the other characters to accept that he’s “not coming back” and try to process all the conflict and pain that it brings, only to then sledgehammer the new status-quo by having him reappear, now changed, at point where his death has significantly altered their dynamics with him, his memory and the other characters. By comparison, having him come back as a ghost and then revive kind of smooths and flattens that trajectory to one where anyone who can interact with him (even indirectly) gets their emotional healing accelerated, and the status quo eventually slips back closer to how it was (with them mostly just having to adjust to physical limitations of the new form he takes), only to reform fully when he “comes back” for real.
But, anyway, that’s part of larger personal nitpick with the use of “ghosts” in stories. I find that the meaningful thing about death (and that seems to get weirdly missed by a lot of works) isn’t the moment of impact itself so much as the persisting loss and how the survivors cope. We are haunted by absence more than by presence. Most cases of bringing the dead character (or at least their mind/personality) back in some capacity tends to soften the weight of that for me, unless the ghost is meant to function as a some kind of metaphor for the healing/ acceptance/ closure process and “move on” when the other characters do.
Anyway, hope you enjoyed this long and somewhat tangential ramble. It probably won’t be happening in YJ:DW or YJ:DW-EU but in a story which took a more hardline all-ghosts-are-dead-people/ horror approach to world-building, I can definitely see the someone-seeing-Jason’s-ghost set-up having a lot of angst and uncanny potential. (I know there are a couple of fics like that already out there but I can’t remember their titles right now, sorry!)
#Jason Todd#seeing ghosts#I mean to be fair YJ:DW takes about a billion years to update#The main story will finish 6-9 months post S1#So most of the Legacy / Invasion characters won't be there#but I did have the loose idea that some of the major S2 and timeskipped events would still be canon in the Deathly-Weapons-verse#I quite dislike many storytelling/ execution choices made by Outsiders so I'm declaring any reboot content non-canon to YJ:DW#But it seems like Jaybird was intended to come back#I find it kind of hard to deal with YJ!Jason because of how cake-and-eat-it they've been about his character#they seem to want to use his death/revival for impact without actually doing the work to make it impactful within their own series#he's ended up as this odd non-entity in canon#which means I have to invent a bunch of conjecture from broader comics with literally no substantiation#IDK maybe YJS4 and beyond will adress that#Young justice: deathly weapons#DPxYJ#ghosts#shade ghosts#ectoplasmic ghosts#kaiobeast#3WD answers
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