#topic.amrev discourse

[hamiltonconfessions-but-better]

seriously don't get why some ppl rather draw irl founding fathers, specially madison

you guys will take any opportunity to turn a beautiful big man into a twink

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lams WHERRRRREEEEE i always here about it and hear people fight for and aginst it.... but where are the fans...

wheres the content nowadays...... atp i barley see any lams fanart what are u guys talking about

my issues here is with the amrev community!

y u a fan of these irl racist hos? y u drawing them for fun? sexy ass Hamilton cast right there, but u willingly choosing the white actual SLAVE OWNERS and EVILS over them? And no, it's not the same. Hamilton characters are characters, the repercussions of their actions are not real. The IRL founding fathers created and upheld systems of oppression that are still negatively affecting society to this day. theyre not just characters and obviously there is comedy in drawing them in nsfw positions with the intention of slander, but to personify them and idealize them and draw them in love? why do you want this????????

you wouldn't be drawing old ass white James Madison without Hamilton the musical. I'm just curious as to why it's more appealing...

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Re: the anti-amrev anon

Woah, calm down buddy. I admire the elaborated mental juggling you had to perform to pull that off but... lmao wtf

If you're so angry at the amrev community drawing and writing the white ass founding fathers kissing, you must HATE Lin Manuel-Miranda for writing and performing a fanfic in which the *same white asses* are actually black, singing and still slave owners. I'm ofc being sarcastic, but you somehow said it's not the same thing? Using your own standard, Hamilton the musical as a whole is actually FAR WORSE than obscure, anonymous, random fanfic writers, cause it's literally glorification of those figures in a much more impacting form: one of the most successful musicals of our time.

Again, I don't agree with this argument, I think it's shallow. But it's basically what you did.

And implying ppl are doing this out of racism? Bcs don't try to play dumb here, that's what you're sayin with that last paragraph.

I've never once seen someone trying to excuse their actions or deny the impact this shithole nation's imperialism has globally in the community. In fact, I've seen a much larger amount of well-informed ppl within the amrev fandom than in the Hamilton's, cause we actually study, yk?

Your moralism doesn't help with the problems you claim to be against. Wanna do something abt the systematic oppression we suffer? DO IT. FIGHT IT. BUT DON'T USE IT AS A MORAL ARGUMENT BCS IT'S VERY DUMB.

In conclusion, I hope someday you can see things beyond the moral "black or white, right or wrong, good or bad" view. Maybe Idk talk to ppl instead of accusing them of something just bcs of what they like in fiction, bcs YES, the F in RPF stands for fiction.

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[hamiltonconfessions-but-better]

you hamilton stans dissing amrev are genuinely delusional hypocrites and you make my head hurt. who do you think the musical is based on.... like lmm was the biggest amrev stan to the point he MADE hamilton. if its racist for people to enjoy historical content, its racist for hamilton to exist at all. this was the same type of stuff that chased lmm off twitter back in the day and why he was cancelled. you can have that opinion just fine, but you can't have it while actively being a fan account for this musical. the reasoning just isn't there.

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I can't with these takes like "You can't be interested in real amrev historical figures like Jefferson, because they were racist/bad people/etc!"

Like, o my god, white male politicians in 18th century were BAD as human beings?!?!?

How unpredictable

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[hamiltonconfessions-but-better]

Some people like drawing ugly men and older women and some people like drawing the hot Hamilton cast. Why can't we all just kiss -B

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[hamiltonconfessions-but-better]

Yup. Hello again from the person who started this entire Amrev discourse.

The entire point of the initial post was just me saying that whenever I think of Alexander Hamilton and others, I see them as how they were historically but still am a part of the Hamilton fandom. Unsure how to fully explain it, but the anon who made the “completely seperated the historical and musical versions of all the characters” confession was able to explain it a little bit better. In my post, and the recent posts I have made, I am NOT hating on anyone who is more so deep in the musical fandom, and ships the characters as in the musical. I honestly don’t give a fuck on who you ship or what you believe in musically. However, the moment I mentioned Amrev you just come and hit me with all of the evil and bad stuff they did. Yeah, thanks a lot, I DONT NEED TO BE REMINDED.

Also to the person who said that my opinion doesn’t matter because I “babyfied” the word rape, I only did it not for the purpose of censoring it to the public, but I am unsure if this follows the guidelines of the confession blog and if my confession would even be added. But besides that, let me ask you something. Did the founding fathers and those involved in the American Revolution do bad stuff? Yes. Did they do good stuff? Yes. Should we ignore the bad stuff they did? No. Should we ignore the good stuff they did? No. Should we look at the historical events from all aspects and POV’s? YES.

Look, I am not on their side. Most of them I do not look up to. But I am interested in what they did, but that doesn’t mean that I support everything that they did.

And apologies if this opinion may offend some, but I personally am not on the historical Jamilton, Hamburr, Jeffmads, etc side. I am more on the historical Lams and Hamliza side. Thank you for reading.

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[hamiltonconfessions-but-better]

re the anti-anti-amrev anons.

i don't care what you know about the founding of the nation we all took American government back in high school.

My problem, highlighted in someone else's previous ask regarding James Madison, is that the majority of amrev comes from the Hamilton Musical fandom. I just think it's interesting how it could be more appealing for artists to draw the same characters and characterizations FROM Hamilton the musical but imaged in their old white historic versions.

Hamilton is a form of RPF, but it is in no way glorification of these real people. Actors and songs add charm to the characters, but it is clear that hardly any of them are upstanding people.

in the end, the characters in Hamilton come down to the actors playing a character in beautiful costumes. idgaf about RPF but when those real people are such monsters of men nobody in their right mind knowing the weight of the situation (which you clearly do sense you "study" so damn much) would make light of it by chibifying IRL Thomas Jefferson.

interest in the american revolution is clearly not my problem so stop acting like it is. quit defending the history and your knowlege i clearly dont care.

and also, why would i hate LMM for taking a story about oppressive founding fathers and flipping it on its head to create a narrative that encourages minorities to rise up? while also creating jobs and representation for POC on Broadway? okay whatever.

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[hamiltonconfessions-but-better]

"tw slavery" oh my GOD what the fuck have we come to? I'll start asking my history teacher to put a tw on all of his classes

(I agree with the rest of what they said I just think the trigger warning is funny and despair inducing at the same time)

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[hamiltonconfessions-but-better]

My god I don’t care about the history stuff it’s LAAAME go talk about ts on the historical amrev nonsense accounts I could not care one damn bit about those evil white guys if anything it makes me sick when I have to see them chibified like SORRY I don’t wanna see a guy who brutalized black people kawaii get so serious like there is just a very important degree of separation that the musical created with all of the characters being pocs and also being actual characterizations of these guys and not faithful portrayals to who they are. I want to draw daveed diggs doing a stupid pimp walk and has attitude you want to draw a red headed balding ugly real life super villain we are not the same

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[hamiltonconfessions-but-better]

TW: slavery

Hello. I am the one who made the “disconnect between the amrev historical Hamilton/musical Hamilton” confession. I have been seeming to be getting a lot of backlash for it though.

In response to what many people who are saying that because we like it, we are racist. That is fully untrue. We understand what happened, we understand the practice of slavery and how it happened. We understand and acknowledge those who were enslaved. And we understand the Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemmings 🍇ing. We are not denying it happened, and we do not support what they did in any way. Though, like any other early American historians, we are interested in the people, events, and overall history of the American Revolution. We are interested in the founding of our nation.

I 100% believe there should be more black representation within the discussions and art within the amrev fandom, though we are mostly made up of the historical Hamilton fandom. Hamilton himself was mostly an abolitionist. (And before you come at me again, I understand Hamilton may have owned some enslaved people for the approval of Philip Schuyler.)

But in other words, historical Hamilton fans or amrev fans are not racist, and we do not support the practice of slavery.

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Re²: to the anti-amrev anon

Again, stop with the pointless moralism over this topic. You should worry about the people who share their opinions with the founding fathers, and I can guarantee you they're not in the chibi homossexual amrev tumblr fandom. Just go talk to people and you'll see that what you created in your head about the amrev fandom here is not true.

Just because some of us interacted with media in a different way than you did doesn't mean we did that out of racism. There are numerous reasons for a person to go from liking/making art for the musical to doing so about the historical amrev. I guarantee you it's not because of the color of their skin or ideals.

I'm saying that as a poc myself who is deep into the amrev fandom for quite some time. If I felt that it was a racist space, I wouldn't even be there.

Also, something bothers me in your last paragraph. Let's do a little imagination exercise here. If I told you a historical Jeffmads fic is actually telling queer people to rise up by "flipping the narrative of oppressors in the creator's head", would you buy it? Even if irl they didn't do shit to stand up for/ defend this population? Because I would NOT. You guys are content with so little on mainstream media.

Hamilton the musical, by having a mostly/all non-white cast, had a HUGE impact in the lives of non-white Broadway actors. There's no denying it, is a fact. But I strongly disagree that a story focused on one of the founding fathers is essentially encouraging minorities to rise up. We have our own history. If that was what Lin wanted to do, he could have written this musical about any of the *actual* oppressed people fighting for their liberation, there's plenty material to work with because we have been *always* fighting.

He didn't, because the reason he wrote this was him being into amrev and imagining a different, cooler way to talk about this historical guy he was interested in. Doesn't that sound familiar to you? The only difference is the size of the fandom and the fact that he's a celebrity.

I'm not saying it's wrong to feel represented, *I* did, because guess what, I also like the musical and seeing people of my color in such a huge production was heartwarming, but I'm also conscient of the fact that is not *our* history.

I know a lot of people won't agree with this last part. They don't have to. It's just how I feel. That goes for everything actually, it's just my opinion about this subject. Peace ✌️

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[hamiltonconfessions-but-better]

YESSS I AGREE WITH THE LAMS SHIPPER OPINION ABOUT IRL FOUNDING FATHERS

like i think its okay tho to put them in situations where their stupid asses would fall out if they knew about. and honestly the musical already does that so...

but you have the whole broadway beautiful sexy hot characters. i mean why would you rather draw those ugly white men instead of the fantastic cast we have ???? < strong on jeffmads

to be real, even when i read their letters i imagine the broadway characters

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