#virtuous st. goodberry

[tenshichan1013]

tangled the series series bible 6 of 8

[rta-user-2025]

I scarcely knew that this character who is Virtuous St. Goodberry would be a WWE-esque host of fights

[tangledbea]

how wanted do you think every criminal is in every country? like are the Stabbingtons only wanted in corona? how many nations has Stalyan pissed off?? where was Lance in jail??? etc

I will say I doubt Corona is the only place with the death penalty, but they are probably the place that uses it the most often. I wonder if Eugene is just wanted to be jailed or sent to the mines in most countries or if most want him dead

Sorry it's taken me a little time to answer this. I wanted to give it a little thought, plus I was pretty busy since I got it, plus there are a lot of criminals in Tangled the Series...

First, I think that anyone who's worked for/with the Baron is wanted in more than one place. So Eugene, Lance, the Stabbington Brothers, Stalyan, the Weasel, and all the minions we see. Not necessarily "every country," because there are a lot of countries in the world. We only see ~3000 miles worth of the world, and only in a narrow line. we don't even see all the kingdoms that are part of the Seven Kingdoms. In addition, most of the places we see are in the middle of nowhere.

But as mentioned before, we know Eugene made it to Italy and spent some time there. Also, according to the series, the crown heist was on behalf of the Baron. (Personally, I feel like that contradicts the story they loosely laid out about Eugene's past, but we also know that "the Baron's prized stallion" wasn't always supposed to be about his daughter, so they clearly didn't have that entire story laid out that far in advance. Also, it doesn't directly contradict it, it just makes it seem like Eugene kept doing things for the Baron, unscathed, long after they supposedly parted ways.)

But those aren't the only criminals we see. There's also Lady Caine and her thugs. They seem to be based almost entirely in Corona, since she has a specific vendetta against it and Frederic. However, I would be the most comfortable saying that she's hit kingdoms outside of Corona. On top of that Andrew and the other Separatists of Sapporia seem to be focused entirely on Corona, and spend their time outside of it being generally good -- if utterly insufferable -- people. But Dale (the fake Giovanni) is probably an international art thief, so he's wanted it more than one country.

The Daylight Thieves (the people Kiera thought were her parents) seem to be extremely local criminals. Virtuous St. Goodberry (the guy they had to get the Eye of Pincosta back from) was clearly not on the up-and-up, though it's hard to guess how far-reaching his influence is. He pretends to be innocent, between his name and his "legitimate" business, but I don't buy it. After all, he buys stolen goods. His establishment is mobile, all the easier to make a quick escape in the dead of night, if you get me. Seraphina is a thief who isn't wanted anywhere but whatever sea kingdoms exist, since she's a mermaid.

Varian and Cassandra -- technically both criminals -- are only ever wanted in Corona. The Pub Thugs are likely wanted outside of Corona, but I don't see them as being particularly far-wandering (except Hook Hand, Hook Foot, and Shorty, who were all reformed before they wandered).

Also, how loosely are we defining "criminal"? Because so so so so many characters in Tangled commit crimes, whether they're ever accused/convicted or not, including Rapunzel. Hector and Edmund commit aggravated assault. Do Zhan Tiri and her disciples count as criminals?

I don't think Corona is the only place with the death penalty, too, but I doubt they use it the most. Vardaros is far more openly brutal than Corona, and executing people would keep the citizens under the Baron's thumb. The Griffon of Pittsford and King Trevor seem exactly the sort to scream, "OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!" Not to mention, the mines of Pincosta were a death sentence, too. It was just worked to death instead of quickly executed. Ingvaar comes across as extremely no-nonsense, if not outright brutal. The fact of the matter is, as of 2025, there are still four countries that retain the death penalty, including the United States, so it's not even like the death penalty is an archaic form of punishment. So probably all the kingdoms/countries we're aware of in Tangled use it.

[tangledbea]

I genuinely thought at first glance that your Adira as a European knight was supposed to be her when she was younger, before the Dark Kingdom was abandoned. It would've been interesting if King Edmund and the brotherhood had slightly different designs in the past than they do in the present. You know, to show that they aged in the 25+ years. But i understand why they just looked the same, it was probably both budget reasons and just too much effort for them to design younger versions of them for a couple small scenes.

That's not my art, it's @moltenhair's from a few years ago. I just reblog it every Halloween because I love it.

More budget than effort. After all, they went through the effort of designing an old face for Eugene for a gag that lasted a few seconds. From what I understand, the series got more and more budget as it went on, so they could do more things, and more extravagant ones. But in season two, they had to allocate budget for several locations (Vardaros, the Forest of No Return, Mother and Father's cottage in the woods (which included a set with bioluminescent mushrooms), Madame Canardist and Vigor's wagon, Fortuna (where the Daylight Thieves were hiding), the Spire, Terapi Island, the prison barge, Lombard's Pass (with the teetering rock spires), Pincosta, Virtuous St. Goodberry's camp, the Great Tree, the interior of Hook Hand's caravan, Trevor Jr and Lucille's wedding venue, the forest where Cassandra and an amnesiac Rapunzel were stranded, the House of Yesterday's Tomorrow, Demanitus' maze, and, last but not least, the Dark Kingdom), a handful of new outfits (Rapunzel and Eugene each had two, with the addition of Rapunzel's pink cloak for one episode, and Cassandra had three), plus many new characters. Adding slightly younger character designs for a handful of new people who were only seen younger for less then a minute of screentime apiece just wasn't in the budget.

[tangledbea]

Something I just realized, the only people in the series with last names are Eugene and Lance, who weren’t even born with those names. Like Eugene was born with just Horace and then he becomes Eugene Fitzherbert. Is there like an unspoken only first name rule in those times, and if so, why are Eugene and Lance the exceptions, and why would they even want to add last names?

One time, someone asked Nathan Greno why Eugene was the only person in the movie with a last name, and his answer was basically, “Yeah, I probably should have given everyone else last names, too, huh?”

Eugene and Lance - or rather, Arnwaldo - may not have been born with last names (we really don’t know, in Lance’s case), but they didn’t choose the last names they had has children (assuming Lance didn’t come with his). Then, when they grew, they named themselves after book characters who had last names.

But I’d like to point out that Stabbington is their last name, and Caine is hers. If anything, Lady Caine is the only one without a canonical first name. And it’s heavily speculated that der Sonne is the royal family last name (even though that’s not technically canon, we know it was the last name of their ancestor).

ADDENDUM!:

There are actually a handful of citizens of Corona and various nobility with canonical last names!

Feldspar Willipeg

Hortense Crowley

Dame Elizabeth Van Hoskins

Lt. Commander General James Rutherford-Carver

Fernanda Pizzazo

Dr. Alcott St. Croix

Not to mention Madame Canardist and Virtuous Goodberry!