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a reminder that mspec lesbians and mspec gays are very cool actually and that they aren't obligated to be nice about people who actively treat them like shit

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Actually, speaking of the tags on my last post, you guys get so violent over online queer discourse and it’s honestly really fucked up.

I’ve seen baeddels talk about how they want to misgender and beat up “transandrophobia truthers”. I’ve seen people say they’ll kill fellow queer people who use the “toothpaste” ocean mlm flag. I’ve seen exclus talking about sending gore to mspec monos.

You guys seriously need to go outside and maybe get therapy if you have such violent tendencies towards fellow queer people. Like you honestly sound insufferable if you act like this. Where’s this energy towards the politicians killing us? Or do you just hate other queer people who aren’t queer in the way you like?

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every so often someone in this system goes "oh maybe that old community we left years ago improved ever so slightly" and then you see shit like "don't say you're 'coming out' about anything but being lgbtq!!!!" and "you're risking the safety of [the otherkin] community by making fakers think they can just pick and choose/you (likely) aren't valid because you found out how you're otherkin in a way i don't like >:((((" and then i get summoned to front again because i swear that first one is a whole new level of 'discourse that happens purely in online spaces' take i've seen

like can y'all get a grip. live a little. exploding on someone for expressing their identity isn't gonna destroy the community or whatever even if they find out they were wrong later

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Let's talk about Exclusionists and how they harm the community they claim to protect: A collection of hate.

Welp! Pride Month is just around the corner, and with it, exclusionist and TERF rhetoric. A few disclaimers before we get into this: -While this is about the harmful things Exclusionists have done, I would like to add that the Inclusionist Community can be *just* as guilty of doing the things I'm about to mention. -Furthermore, I believe that both the "Inclusionist" and "Exclusionist" labels are kind of pointless tbh, since being inclusive is just the bare minimum, y'know? -TERFs and their variants will also be mentioned since TERF Rhetoric is a frequent thing in Exclusionist communities, especially in Longsword Lesbian communities. -This is not intended to be a discourse post at all, this is mostly for educational purposes and awareness. Furthermore, I don't think being queer should be controversial at all.

-And of course, HEAVY trigger warning for the following: Exclusionism, TERF Rhetoric, Ableism, Suicide Bait, Encouragement of Violence and more. For this post, I have collected screenshots of many hurtful things exclusionists have said, and evidence to prove links to rhetoric from non-queer homophobes. These are screenshots from Tumblr, Twitter and Instagram as well. I give credit to @/animefacialreconitionsoftware01 on Tumblr, Exclusionist Struggle Tweets on Twitter, exclusmoment on Instagram and many others for these screenshots.

So, hang on, what even is an exclusionist? An exclusionist is a group of mostly queer individuals who attempt to gatekeep the LGBTQ+ Community by claiming certain groups aren't truly queer or "not queer enough".

Exclusionist can be used on it's own, but also as an umbrella term for other groups, such as: Mspec Exclusionists (Battleaxe Bis) - A group of exclusionists that believe that other Multisexual labels outside of "Bi" are harmful, or that they're the same as bisexual. Their primary targets tend to be pansexuals and panromantics. Transmedicalists - A group of mostly exclusionists (Mostly trans people, but occasionally cis people), who believe that you must meet a certain number of requirements in order to be Transgender. While every transmedicalist has different views, the most common opinion is that dysphoria is required to be trans. One well known Transmedicalist is Kalvin Garrah. Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminists (TERF) - One of the most recognizable Exclusionist groups. While TERFs aren't inherently queer, their rhetoric can overlap with many other groups (Especially Longsword Lesbians and Transmedicalists on some occasions), so they get a mention here. There's not really much to say about them, outside of the fact that they're simply transmisic feminists. Their primary targets include trans women, but they may also target trans men, nonbinary folks, bisexuals and other mspec groups, intersex folks and sometimes ace/aro folks. The group also has *several* links to white supremacy. Longsword Lesbians - Speaking of Longsword Lesbians, this is a group that intends to fight lesbian erasure. This one might have had good intentions at first, but then started excluding other lesbians, becoming an exclusionist group, though I can't get much information on it's origins. Their primary targets include Nonbinary Lesbians, Mspec Lesbians and PNC Lesbians. They may also exclude GNC lesbians and trans lesbians, though not all of them do. Gravity Knife Gays - Exclusionists that target other gay men, primary nonbinary gays, Mspec Gays and PNC Gays. They may also target GNC gay men and trans gay men, though not all of them do. Aspec Exclusionists - I don't think I need to explain this one. So, why are they bad?

Well, there's evidence on how it's bad. Outside of erasure and gatekeeping harmless identities, a lot of exclusionists have a straight up habit of harassing other queer folks or calling for harassment. And there's plenty of evidence to prove it as well. I'm going to warn you, some of these contain suicide bait and slurs. Please proceed with caution if that sort of thing stresses you out. Some words are censored to avoid getting banned (and for my own comfort as well). Obviously, you have the ones that are simple gatekeeping, which is almost always bad.

(Image ID: A Tumblr post from user "alpinestag". The text reads "REAL lesbians don't date or sleep with men in their past lives! Let's be real, if your soul married a man 1000 years ago, you're bisexual"). I *was* originally going to give this person the benefit of the doubt and assume they were joking, but when I looked they had a *lot* of TERFy shit on their blog, so they were definitely serious.

(Image ID: A Tumblr post from user "didcourze". The text reads "on asexuals having sex, why would u want to have sex with someone if not attracted to them? i get it u still have a sex drive even if ure not attracted to people sexually but how could you justify using someone that u clearly have no interest in solely for sex, ur own pleasure, like that's so fucked??") And then, there's folks that will take it to more extreme levels, like these fellas. This one might not be calling for harassment, but it is *heavily* implied.

(Image ID: A screenshot from a Twitter post in dark mode that shows another screenshot of a Twitter user's bio, also in dark mode. Some information is blacked out in red. The primary tweet has the text "Fucking trenders. Excluse do your thing 💖" The screenshot of the twitter bio below the text contains many plant emojis and heart emojis, and shows the text "I genuinely want to be nice to you all", "hy/him/hers", "transmasch butch boi. OMNIGAY", "'TRENDER" on T" and other information about their location, age, followers and following and the join date. End ID). This one on the other hand... this is blatant harassment.

(Image ID: A screenshot of a Tumblr ask from an anonymous user. The message reads "transwomen are men and if they were really women you wouldnt have to be screaming it 100 times. also k yourself.". A word that starts with k is also blocked out in red. End ID). "Asexuals don't experience oppression" ....Are you sure about that?

(Image ID: A screenshot of a Tumblr dm by a user named "aphobickaito". Some words are blacked out in red. The messages read "D bitch.". Did your daddy r you so hard that your brain got fucked too and you think this dragon cake shit is funny? Because that's some shit". End ID) For those wondering, the last censored word is the r-slur. Some posts will also advocate for straight up violence, like these ones below.

(Image ID: A screenshot of a Tumblr post from a user named "aletheius". The text reads "I love being aphobic. if you don't want to bed the love of your life you should be beaten up and stuffed in a locker".)

(Image ID: A screenshot of a twitter message/post from user "gowonstiara". The text reads "asexuals deserve to d*3". End ID).

(Image ID: A screenshot of a twitter user's bio in dark mode. Some information and words are blocked out in either red or blue. A scribble of blue has the words "Irrelevant stuff here". The rest of the bio reads "k all bi/pan lesbians". End ID).

(Image ID: A screenshot of a twitter post from user "brontydownunder" in dark mode. The text reads "'They're putting asexuals in concentration camps in China' good. Put more". End ID).

(Image ID: An screenshot of a post containing an image of a cropped Asexual flag. The text on the flag is slightly edited, and reads "START KILLING US". End ID) A lot of exclusionist posts also have a *lot* of suicide bait in them as well, such as these ones shown below. Again, scroll with caution if you are sensitive to these sorts of things. There is also an f-slur being used with malicious intent in one of these.

(Image ID: A twitter post from user "beebies" in dark mode, with the two e's replaced by 3. Part of the text has been blocked out with red. The text reads "if u go by they/them go k ll urself no offense lol 😍". End ID). I was going to censor the slur in this one, but decided not to just to show how malicious exclusionists really can be.

(Image ID: A screenshot of a tumblr notification. Part of the text is blacked out in red. The text reads "net-angel reblogged your post: asexual faggots sh t yourself challenge". End ID) And then there's some that will just straight up admit to hating certain groups and even harassing them. Others will admit to being fucking proud of their bigotry.

(Image ID: A screenshot of a twitter post from "sinboundhaibane" in dark mode. The text reads "i hate trans men, yes. if you understood the material realities of the situation, you would hate them too".)

(Image ID: A screenshot of a twitter post from an unknown Twitter user. The text reads "does anyone have edits they want views on i'm about to bully a bi/pan lesbian supporter 🏃‍♀️". End ID)

(Image ID: Two tweets from Twitter users "pipcrgrace" and "ssapphrodite". The text on the first tweet reads "just say you hate he him lesbians and move on...", the text on the second tweet has four variations of "i hate he/him lesbians" and "i ha" at the end. End ID).

(Image ID: A Tumblr post from user "jwjdhdjsksks". The text reads "The panphobes are out in full force today and I'm so proud". End ID). It should be obvious on why this is bad. Advocating for harassment or straight up violence, or telling someone to hurt themselves over their identity is NEVER a good thing no matter how you look at it. No buts, whats or ifs. And that's not even the end of this either. There's also some exclusionists who will restate the *same exact* rhetoric that Anti-LGBTQ+ people spew around. Here's a look.

TERF rhetoric (And invalidation of nonbinary identities)

(Image ID: Three tweets from three users with their names blocked by red, yellow and teal respectively. The screenshot is taken in light mode. The first tweet reads "I've spoken to many girls on here who did transition due to bullying/pressure. Lesbians are also attracted to girls." The second reads The two aren't mutually exclusive, either. Some trans men and trans women identify as lesbians, too.". The third tweet reads "Lesbians are female only.". End ID). Hmmm, I wonder where I've heard THIS before.

(Image ID: A Tumblr post from an individual who's username is pixeled out. The text reads "I really hate the Blue's Clues pride video. They are literally forcing their mogai shit on to little kids. Why do they have to feed kids bs like "nonbinary gender identities" and "pansexuality" on to children!? Why? (Just to clarify: I am not against teaching children about LGBT stuff, I am against teaching children bs)." End ID). Some will admit to straight up misgendering people as well. Again, seems familiar?

(Image ID: A Tumblr post from user "feminismnightmare". The text reads "Hi if you claim to be trans and tell me you're not dysphoric I'm going to use your biological pronouns". End ID). *More* TERF rhetoric (I would also like to point out that the saying "men are trash" is almost always a red flag, no matter the intent, due to it's high usage with TERFs).

(Image ID: A screenshot from an unknown Twitter user. The text reads "Lesbianism is understandable because men are trash. Gayness is fair because trash like trash. Bisexual = greedy. Trans = mental illness. All the others.. nonsense". End ID)

Lastly, and perhaps most importantly, a *LOT* of Exclusionists I've seen are also incredibly ableist and racist as well.

Many Exclusionists claim that some queer groups harm neurodivergent folks and POC, but... are we *really* sure about that?

(Image ID: A Twitter post from user "annadoescare". The screenshot is taken in dark mode. The text reads "i don't care about your mental illness. it's not my problem. stop making up these genders that embarrass the lgbt". End ID)

(Image ID: Two tweets from two users with usernames blocked out in red and yellow respectively. The screenshot is taken in dark mode. The first tweet reads "There are lesbians who like men. There are lesbians who are men. There are lesbians who are straight. There are lesbians who are bisexual. There are all this and more". The second tweet reads "This is why I hate autistics". End ID). ...Excuse me but what the actual FUCK. /neg

(Image ID: A Tumblr comment from user "trans-wojak". The text reads "being racist towards whites won't change slavery" with an analog winking emoji at the end. End ID). Straight up eugenics, TERFism or both? You decide! (I'm also slightly convinced this person has internalized ableism as well, but that's not really my say).

(Image ID: A Tumblr post from user "posttraumaticspacelesbian-blog". Part of text has been blocked out with red. The text reads "as a disabled womon i would like to point out that all disabled men should b k ed" End ID.)

Some will also compare some queer groups to arguably worse shit. Exhibit A:

(Image ID: A post from Twitter user "sinboundhaibane" in dark mode. The text reads "new poem: bi lesbianism is a fascist dogwhistle eat my shit". End ID). Exhibit B:

(Image ID: A post from Tumblr user "postmodern-baseball". The text reads "cops aren't class traitors, nonbinary lesbians are." End ID) And there's a SHITTON more too. But I could never do it justice in this post, especially with TERFs. Now, before you exclusionists come at me with "But NOT ALL OF US ARE LIKE THAT!" or "Inclusionists do this too!" First off, I am fully aware that inclusionists are guilty of some of these as well, which is why I don't use the inclusionist label. But that's besides the point, I don't care if you're not like the folks in this post. I don't care if not every exclusionist is like this. THIS is what Exclusionism promotes. THIS is what Exclusionism encourages. Exclusionism is always going to encourage harassment and infighting. No matter how civil you are, no matter how "chill" you are, no matter how "nice you are, it doesn't matter in the end. By excluding other queer folks from queer spaces, you are actively condoning harassment. No, I don't want to hear any excuses. Exclusionism has and always will be harmful to other queer communities. Still don't believe me? Here's some videos that show and explain the exact same thing, as well as some other educational videos thrown into the mix. Transmedicalism: An Investigation. Breaking my Silence on Kalvin Garrah: Part One, Part Two , Part Three. Inside a Cult: A Series about Gender Criticals. Why is Queer Discourse so Toxic?

Addressing my "Lesbophobia" - A Rant about Mspec Lesbian Exclusionism.

What are TERFs?

The problem with Radical Feminism.

And of course, here's my Mspec Lesbian Exclusionism analysis post.

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i front for a bit to go see the tags for some of my labels while also looking at some of cy's labels out of curiosity. i immediately leave front as soon as i see mspec exclus of various kinds casually in the tags

no but for real why are there so many icon makers who are exclus for some reason especially pan/omni/ply exclus in specific like i don't understand

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new gender loading.....

[Image ID: A rectangular flag with seven horizontal stripes of equal width. From top to bottom the colors are: lilac, mauve, violet, off white, reddish brown, desaturated brown, and sepia. End ID.]

sapphknight!

a gender related to being sapphic and a knight! this could be related to princess/knight romances, red roses, chivalry, or being strong and sapphic, but in the end it's related to being sapphic and a knight!

tagging @mogai-sunflowers @epikulupu @revenant-coining @radiomogai and @genderyboy ( if you want to be added to the tag list/taken off of it, you can always tell me :] )

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ngl i wish anyone other than me would talk about how jkr is Islamophobic?

don't get me wrong, every single thing she's being called out for is valid and she's a nasty horrible person but every time i mention she's Islamophobic people brush me off? so is that not worth outrage as well?

anyway cw: Islamophobia and transphobia, 2 for one special, because this is an excerpt from her shitty crime novel

Sorry for the irritated tone but I am tired of people ignoring me. I don't get why it's not a bigger deal for people that she 1) Demonised Muslim women who choose to fully cover up. 2) Implied they were predatory in nearly the exact same way she does with trans women. 3) Implied that the acceptance of fully covered women in women's spaces puts other women at risk.

all this in a country that is already hostile to Muslim women /immigrant women?

and im sorry but what will it take to get people to realise that this conversation is also worth taking up space in the universe of discourse people are having about this shitty woman?

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"Lesbian attraction inherently includes nonbinary people!!" No the fuck it doesnt. If a monosexual lesbian likes me they're either misgendering me or they're actually mspec. Nonbinary people are not just woman-lite and some nonbinary people are men or just do not want to be included in that attraction. So you can either admit that sometimes lesbians like men or that nonbinary people are not inherently included in lesbian attraction, both statements would validate the existence of both men-attracted and not men-attracted mspec lesbians.

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Ciao! Here are some mspec lesbian kitties!

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The Catholic Church spent $3 million trying to crush abortion rights in Kansas, and failed

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The only people who support bi lesbians are themselves bi or otherwise not lesbians. Keep talking over us, of course the voices of the majority matters more than those the minority.

It's funny because my stance actually comes from listening to my lesbian friends who are in relationships with bisexual women and who also call their girlfriends and wives "lesbians" and don't question when their girlfriends and wives call themselves "lesbians". Like it's usually "lesbian- well, technically bi, but lesbian works".

I also gained my stance from listening to studs who are "any woman, including he/him women, who also likes women, including other he/him women" under the label of "stud" which often to white people gets translated as "butch lesbian" despite some ***some*** studs being okay with sleeping with men as well.

So personally I think if two people are in a happy committed relationship and they land on a descriptor that works for them, I'd rather take them at their word for it rather than let some uninvolved person tell me what I am and am not allowed to call them. And I think I'm not going to argue with my stud friends who probably know more about their culture than some rando on the internet.

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why did a bi lesbian exclus with "minors dni" follow me, an mspec lesbian in a system who's a systeen lol (i mean yeah bodily minor for the time being yeah but also i feel like the -teen bit should've been a sign lol)

i mean they're blocked on my sideblog too now (already had them blocked on my main and i forgot lmao) but. idk i find it funny

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why are twitter users calling out the therian kittengirl who's wanted by the US government and who just leaked the US no-fly list with a ":3" for being a bi lesbian. lgbt infighters are on another level. it has 9 girlfriends and is an enemy of the state, I think it can use whatever labels it wants at this point 😭

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exclusionists will say with their whole chest "you're only allowed to define your experiences in a way that i personally approve" and still not understand that they might be the problem

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"i'm gonna make sure that no exclusionists are allowed here. this is a safe space for all queer people"

also them: "except for mspec lesbians and gays because those identities are so harmful and dangerous to the community <333"

make up your fucking mind. are you safe for all queer people or not (they aren't but. you know)

anyways exclusionists can shut up there's nothing "harmful" about being an mspec lesbian or mspec gay

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lunar | solar

eclipse lesbian flags!!

flags I made exclusively to piss off a specific tiktok user who wont even see this, but ended up putting way too much effort on anyway lmao I love them and will use them for oc and hc stuff >:) free to use by anyone btw!!

the different versions have the same meaning, just with a different palette and order, theyre both heavily inspired by the sun and moon lesbian flag so I thought "what happenes when moon and sun aligns?? boom!! an eclipse" and thats where the names come from

[image ID: two flags of 7 horizontal stripes, the first one's colors are from top to bottom, cherry, deep blue, purple, lavender, off-white, tan, copper. the second one's colors are from top to bottom, deep blue, cherry, dead rose, salmon, off white, teal, dark teal. end ID]

tagging: @mogai-sunflowers because I think youd be interested >:)

color meanings:

for lunar

cherry: femme lesbians, fem presenting lesbians

deep blue: butch lesbians, masc presenting lesbians

purple: transmasc lesbians, pnc lesbians, mspec lesbians

lavender: intersectionality, trust within the rest of the queer community and minorities

off-white: rejecting purism, shame, and guilt within the community, dykes, and futches

tan: family, trust within lesbian communities, acceptance towards eachother

copper: transfem lesbians, multigender lesbians, aspec lesbians

for solar

deep blue: butch lesbians, masc presenting lesbians

cherry: femme lesbians, fem presenting lesbians

dead rose: transfem lesbians, multigender lesbians, aspec lesbians

salmon: family, trust within lesbian communities, acceptance towards eachother

off-white: rejecting purism, shame, and guilt within the community, dykes, and futches

teal: intersectionality, trust within the rest of the queer community and minorities

dark teal: transmasc lesbians, pnc lesbians, mspec lesbians

obligatory (/j) sunset lesbian inspired stripe order versions

too tired to make IDs for these ones rn, sorry!!

also I probably wont make gay man versions for this, only because I have no idea what it would look like, if you have any ideas though feel free to make one and tag me in it!!

[image description: a black banner with a white outline, theres smiley faces with their tongues sticking out in every corner, also in white. theres also a small pink splatter from the bottom right corner. the banner reads "please do not reupload unless credited and informed". end ID]

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Friendly reminder that bi women used to be called lesbians too until terfs forcefully kicked them out bc they thought their connection to men made them impure so if you don't support mspec lesbians reclaiming the label "lesbian" you're playing into the terfs hands