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Funny how Maripologists only talk about how "all the kids were traumatized by Gabriel" in order to minimize Adrien's trauma/re-center Marinette.

Because if we're going with "all the kids were traumatized" then the logical conclusion is that they ALL deserve to be angry at Marinette for lying to them about the guy that brainwashed them. 😤

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Damn. Like, DAMN. I'm glad Marinette wasn't spared from seeing Adrien's reaction cause this was one of the most obvious consequences to come out of lying to the world about Gabriel having been a hero.

Ivan is already simplifying his friends' family situations as exclusively loving and healthy because he's that lost in his own pain of his extreme case that he can't see alot of nuances in other situations,

But Adrien is literally being singled out here as the person who has no business at all claiming to have similar feelings. But this is not just harming and invalidating Adrien in any feelings he would like to share (which it does a LOT), this is harming Ivan, too.

Both boys would find so much companionship and support in getting to bond over their villain fathers. But they don't get to do that. Ivan may have opened up, but he still thinks he's the only one with such problems. And Adrien literally excluded himself from the group hug and left into his room, thinking about how it's HIS fault that HE didn't do enough to reach out to his father in the last years:

I just... there is so much harm being done by Marinette lies and her keeping massive parts of Adrien's life secret from him. No, she means no harm, but she's causing so MUCH of it over and over and over again. Yes, this better be blowing up later.

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With the new episode it makes SO much sense now why Nathaniel was angry at Marinette for trying to set him up with Marc and even borderline homophobic in Reverser. Boy was trying to hold on to that closet for dear life 😭

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ok so mild miraculous the ruler spoilers

so most people have noticed marc and nathaniel clearly parallel marinette and adrien in this episode but i haven’t seen people talk much in depth about how nathaniel’s parents mirror adrien’s. (and marc’s to marrinette’s to a lesser extent - loving and supportive without question)

the fight between caprikid and his akumatised mother felt very familiar to chat and his akumatised fathers fight in representation, with both of them taking out their frustrations of being controlled by their parent.

so what if in a similar way nathaniel’s dad parallels emilie and gives us a hint to how she could have acted and what role she could have played in the agreste family dynamic before she died. kinder and more supportive on a surface level but still disconnected and enabling, still focused on her own wants and ideals but in a much more subtle way than gabriel.

to me that lines up with the emilie we see in werepapas, quick to excuse gabriel’s behaviour in service to keep her delusion of a perfect loving family.

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Whos telling her? Im not 🤷

I'm sure Ladybug will have a lot to say about this 🤣✨

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Comments on new episode The Ruler so spoilers ahead!

Yet another dickhole pair of parents. Is this going to be the norm from now on? Hope they are not trying to make Gabriel look good by making everyone worse by comparision, it wont work.

Wow Mark is fucking beautiful in the new design. Nath's freckles give him an unique look too, love them.

Nath's purple glitter shoes scream "Im a poor ass artist" 😭

Cant believe Miraculous made me shed a tear Miraculous for fucks sake.

If anything RULES, its Caprikid's outfit. Wished they had kept the white hair but overall its perfect.

" comics are a legit form of art" uh? Wish Zag would take a hint OF HIS OWN SHOW and make a Miraculous Comic that doesnt suck ass.

Ah yes, the "Adrien sometimes stinks of cheese" theory is now canon. Absolutely love it. Not being ironic here btw.

Whats with Marinette's runny nose sidestory? THat seems like completely unecessary. Looks more like a reason for her to be shoved onscreen and waste time we should be spending on cute Marc/Nath fluff.

Also, what an ass color choice for the snot lol is her brain melting or sth?

Once again Chat Noir fell down like a bitch. I mean I get that the story is completely unrelated to him and there is only so much screentime but then why even use him at all? Sick of this trope already, just give Adrien a reason to not show up if you are not doing anything with him and move on.

Nice, good episode overall. I like they are making the gay stuff more obvious this season, also the soubdtrack this season is really good.

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I like the "Emilie was an abuser" theory because it can show us that abuse can come in many ways. While Gabriel was cold and distant, Emilie would be coddling and overprotective, and ended up creating an emotional codependency.

Also, Emilie being an abuser and controling adrien doesnt exactly mean she was doing it on purpose. She could be repeating the same patterns of her own upbringing, or overcompensating in patterns that hers was lacking. Unfortunatelly, parenting doesnt come with a manual, and people can easily fall into abusive paterns not because its intentional but for lack of self-awareness. As a symbology, her inadvertedly controlling Adrien with his amok to do her bidding (maybe rubbing the ring was a nervous tick of hers and when Adrien misbehaved, she would rub it while being unaware she was giving him a command) would be a good way to show that.

It can also explain many things about Adrien's upbringing that are left unexplained, like how he was sheltered, doesnt have a drive or passions and has deeply rooted self esteem issues.

However, in this particular take of Adrien being mature because of a command I dont think it holds much water because I dont think an Amok can change personalities or give the holder any kind of change o their traits. Why? Because if the amok could do that, Gabriel wouldve just ordered Adrien to fall out of love with Marinette. Yet he chose just to order him to stay away from her, which is more of an immediate order than just changing his personality.

Yet, there are many other ways Emiliencouldve used the amok in order to control Adrien. its an interesting take and would like to see more of it.

did the mom order Adrien to be emotionally mature/intelligent?

Hey...miraculous fandom...I know logically Adrien probably got iver his mom's disappearance/ death because he saw his dad drowning in his grief so decided to be strong for his dad who he saw as in denial...cuz adrien suspected the mom left to due away from the family so she wouldn't cause them distress most likely since adrien wasn't blind to hjs mom being sick even if they didn't try to discuss it.

Especially to contrast how claw noir was still grieving abd couldn't let go becayse claw noir felt his dad moved on or didn't care that much because that gabriel had focused on being a superhero after accepting the methods he was doing to try to bring her back wasn't worth it....could just be a different affect of games poor parenting skills.

But dies anyone wonder if the mom might have left suggestions or orders in the ring so Adrien would have to handle her death or disappearance well abd responsibly?

Like...sometimes adrien can seem almost too understanding and mature at times...she can't control hoe gabriel handled it even if she had back up videos just on case..

But has it occurred to any of us what if adrien was brainwashed by the mom to get over it more quickly while claw noir didn't because he wasn't ordered to do so since characters made different decisions.

Just....a interest thought. Any thoughts on it? Please tell me in notes and or reblogs ect.

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Who knew Astruc was right about the "all S4 epsiodes will have an impact equivalent to Chat Blanc" he just got the wrong season

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I need a fic where Gabriel knew there was a possibility of Marinette or Nathalie finding the letter first so he hid a lot of letters with the same content all around the mansion, so everytime Adrien opens the fridge or a box or takes down a frame a letter pops out of nowhere and they have to scramble to destroy it before he gets to see it and a goose chase starts around the mansion as they start turning the whole place upside down to search for them but there are SO MANY meanwhile Adrien is just impressed on how proactive they are with cleaning

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Do people know who else claimed that micromanaging, gaslighting and gatekeeping Adrien was "for his happiness"?

Who ELSE kept him away from making friends they werent aware of, made a schedule for him, stood him up constantly, pushed him to attend events he didnt want to go, handwaved when he had an opinion they werent found of, treated him like a prize?

Tip: its the same guy that now has a statue in his honor and is treated like a hero.

NGL the number of people who use "Adrien's happiness" as an excuse to shield Marinette from the consequences of her abuse apologism is more than One and that's one too many.

So here it is: happiness based on a lie is just that.

A.

Freaking.

Lie.

Adrien isn't going to be happy. Toxic positivity isn't happiness.

Dampening your emotions for someone else's comfort isn't happiness.

Pretending your girlfriend being a flake and a stalker is Fine Actually because obviously nothing could ever be her fault ISN'T happiness.

Having to listen to your friends/partner talk about how much of a hero your dead abuser was ISN'T happiness.

It's not about Adrien being freaking happy what kinda shallow, infantilizing nonsense is that.

It's about Adrien having Autonomy.

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Cut back to Plagg: "boo! this is the worst knock knock joke Ive ever heard!"

if gabriel had recorded the message on froggy instead of writing it down

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Am I the only one who finds incredibly funny how Gabriel added a huge-ass holy-like photo of himself with the letter?

"Hey son in case you have forgotten this is what I looked like. A benevolent God."

Ah this family's flare for dramatics...

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I see many people complaining the Julerose kiss was barely onscreen and I completely agree.

Ill only rest when I see those two having a vigorous toe-curling french make out session for 5 minutes straight.

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I just realized that ever since Climatiqueen came out, if we consider the episode ordering we officially have NO in-show explanation to why Ladybug chose to break the rings in werepapas. Ever since Werepapas came out I was kind of hoping that it would be revealed in earlier episodes they were fakes or another plausible explanation somehow but I guess not.

Guess we should just accept Marinette gambled that Adrien would come back, and luckily he did.

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So far one of the things Im enjoying best about S06 is how the side characters are getting more complex backstories, and have entire episodes revolve around those. Ivan, Zoe, Sabrina,Nathalie and even Adrien have gotten more exposure in s06 than the last 5 seasons together. And we are only 7 episodes in!!

It seems that FINALLY someone in the writing room had the realization "wait a minute, do we REALLY need to have ALL episodes centered on Marinette doing her shenanigans over and over? There is a shit ton of other characters with barely no exposure, maybe we could develop them a little bit?"

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– Your father is a hero, Adrian.