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ꕥ 𝒄𝒓𝒂𝒄𝒌𝒔𝒉𝒊𝒑 𝒓𝒆𝒒𝒖𝒆𝒔𝒕 - 𝒄𝒊𝒏𝒅𝒚 𝒌𝒊𝒎𝒃𝒆𝒓𝒍𝒚 + 𝒍𝒐𝒖𝒊𝒔 𝒈𝒂𝒓𝒓𝒆𝒍

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anna!! the white lotus brothers!!!

diva check the white lotus tag

officially clocking in for the day at the incest posting factory!!! this is what never killing urself can get u! brotherfucking on the mainstream television series. WITHOUT dragons. shaking hands with u all like we're at a business conference and we just got a huge merger approved by the board.

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Why did you do it?

Why did you want it?

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not to be weird about the brothers from white lotus again but the theory that the second kiss we see between them in 3.06 is actually the first kiss from 3.05 but from saxon’s perspective makes me feel so insane like i have to go lie down for a little bit. imagine someone rushing at you, grabbing onto the back of your neck like you’re some kind of life preserver, and kiss you with this insane amount of intensity and force but in your head it’s still soft, gentle, and loving because you’re incapable of seeing that person in any other kind of light. jesus christ

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I saw the latest White Lotus stuff go across my dash and googled to find an episode recap, and WOW the tonal whiplash was intense

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The people calling Saxon a victim are pissing me off. Thanks to your compilation of all their scenes, it’s much easier to tell what happened. Firstly, Saxon doesn’t look scared, or paralyzed. People keep saying that.

He obviously orgasms. That’s what his facial expressions and body language build to. Only after he cums does he look more aware of what they’re doing and looks a little freaked out/comfused. Post nut clarity is not the same as withdrawing consent! Feeling sick when he remembers what happened fully the next morning is not the same as withdrawing consent! You can’t retroactively withdraw consent, that would require your partner to be psychic.

Lochy only even looks at him once Saxon cums, and he is just as high and drunk as Saxon, and minor note: Chloe has her hand on his throat, steering his attention. If Saxon were obviously freaking out and not into the hand job, Lochlan didn’t see it. Now, don’t take mind altering drugs and have group sex if you can’t check in on all your partners’ consent, but like, Saxon doesn’t say or do anything to indicate he wants Lochlan to stop before he blows his load and then Lochlan turns and smiles at him like “I did it, are you proud of me ☺️”

From the editing, Saxon thinks about him and Lochlan making out while being jerked off. He literally stares at Lochlan’s ass and looks turned on. Lochlan is physically getting him off and is also who Saxon is thinking about to get off. He’s not a little bunny rabbit paralyzed in fear. He wants to fuck his brother.

Both of them upon remembering should be a little horrified like “We did that? Ewwwww 😭” because incest is weird, it’s not natural, and they both liked it when they were under the influence anyway.

When we get Lochlan’s flashback, there’s more context from his specific POV. That brings into question Saxon’s objectivity, but it also confirms that Lochlan is only aware of Saxon being into it, from his POV. He couldn’t tell that Saxon “didn’t want it.” The only way he could be sexually assaulting Saxon is if he did not receive enthusiastic consent prior to the sex act. That is not shown to us.

Saxon does not tell Chloe and Chelsea “Lochlan forced me,” he claims “you guys forced me.” In his mind, he’d rather blame Chloe than Lochlan. Would he do that if he genuinely felt violated by what Lochlan did? Or would he do it if he were in denial about his own role in the threesome and the fact that he was fully into it? Like why protect Lochlan here? The girls know everything. He could tell them “I didn’t ask him to jerk me off!”

Chloe and Chelsea seem pretty nonchalant about the whole thing too. Would they assume it was no big deal if Saxon were assaulted? They casually tell him that he’s into his brother and that Chloe didn’t force Lochlan to make out with him or jerk him off. Chloe doesn’t see Lochlan as a perpetrator or Saxon as an unwilling victim. She saw mutual consent and enthusiasm. Chelsea says “I don’t know if there’s a drug that could make me get with my brother,” and she could be referring to Lochlan, but she’s talking to Saxon. Ergo, she sees it as Saxon getting with his brother, ergo, something Saxon actively chose to do.

Saxon obviously consented to the threesome in the first place, anyone who denies that at this point is bonkers, and still hung up on that bogus “Lochlan spit out the pill” myth. They’re equally stoned. Saxon verbally took responsibility for Lochlan to his parents. Saxon failed at every step to be responsible for his (unrealistically) naive brother. He coached Lochlan into having sex with an older woman (and judging by Lochlan’s flashback), a prospect that did in fact terrify him (which I bet Chloe loved lol).

Saxon is not fully incapacitated or at least not more so than Lochlan. Lochlan has no real authority or influence over him. He doesn’t intimidate Saxon, he has no blackmail on him, he doesn’t cajole or coerce him. There is no unethical power imbalance in Lochlan’s favor.

Saxon could still be a victim, if the cards fall that way when we find out more. Realistically I think the show is not interested in the nuances of “jerking someone off without getting explicit verbal enthusiastic consent is assault,” the way twitter and tiktok and Reddit are. But that’s the only way Saxon could be a victim in all this: he was paralyzed by his own arousal. Is that inherently consent? I’m not sure.

Like if Saxon is turned on by it but doesn’t want it, but is also capable of pushing Lochlan’s hand away or saying “stop,” but he does neither, and it’s less that he’s afraid of Lochlan and more that he’s afraid of his attraction to Lochlan, was he assaulted? He can be conflicted without Lochlan being labeled a rapist (which is what a large section of this fandom love doing more than anything).

I worry that the show is not going to show us any more context and so everyone will continue to insist Saxon was essentially raped, especially as the show is leaning into Saxon’s guilt and self loathing.

Thank you for your thoughts!!

I agree that Saxon is not the victim of Lochlan. However, I would say that they are both the victims of their repressed upbringings and suppressed desires. I think the shock throughout ep 6 show that neither of them had come to terms with consciously desiring each other, and therefore didn't consciously try to manipulate each other into this outcome.

The camera focus's on Lochlan's happy expression multiple times, and in media we are trained to see the one happiest about something "evil" happening to be the villain. However, I think reading happy=evil is a very uncritical take here. I think Lochlan is happy to get his brothers attention, and he's not really thinking about much else.

In the threesome scenes Saxon mostly looks mildly afraid/turned on at first when his eyes are closed, then he opens his eyes and sees Loch's hand and is confused for a moment, and then he closes his eyes again for a while before he cums.

However, I think Loch has been watching Saxon this whole time, but Chloe keeps steering his attention away, as you say.

The mildly afraid look (bottom left image) comes across because his brows are pushes slightly together and his jaw is dropped. However those looks also appear when while feeling sexual desire or yearning.

His confusion is breif, but his brows are pushed together significantly, which can again be interpreted as fear (upper right). However that fear(?) only stays on his face when he doesn't know what's going on. That fear shows up BEFORE he realizes it's Loch.

Once he realizes it's him, he closes his eyes again, and goes back to just feeling pleasure for a second (bottom left) before he's starts cumming and is lifted off the bed and then maintains eye contact with Loch until the end of his screen time.

In the very last shot of Saxon, his eyebrows slightly lift again (bottom image). This could be fear, or shame, or as you said it's a second of post nut clarity. But it doesn't last long, and it's not a very exaggerated look. It's likely a mix of many emotions at once that he can barely process. And I fully agree that this look doesn't have any bearing on whether he consented previously.

Loch smiles like crazy when Saxon cums (bottom left), then for a brief moment Loch's smile drops (bottom right image). And the sex scene ends. The next thing we see is Saxon waking up next to his brother naked. If this is all there is to remember about the night, then it's likely Saxon just fell asleep after he came. Lochlans smile dropping could be because he saw the post nut clarity look. If so, he's even more likely to think Saxon hates him through out th enext episode.

However, I think his smile dropped mostly because he's lost his brothers attention because Saxon's asleep. Now Loch's not very excited to be left alone in this sexual situation with Chloe, and the tightening of her grip on his neck emphasizes that.

If Loch was just as excited to jerk of Saxon as he was to fuck Chloe, then I don't think his smile would fall like that. He would have kept smiling, and turned his focus to Chloe. But he didn't. His eyes lingered on Saxon until the very end.

Later Saxon breaks down & throws up and he begins to fully process what happened. However, his main reactions seem to be shame about what he's done and anxiety about what's going to happen next.

Saxon has been trying all week to treat Lochlan as an adult, but I don't think he fully sees him that way. He still says things like, "he's legal," like he's trying to remind himself that his kid brother is an adult now. Even all the stuff he's doing to push him to buff up, and get laid feel like he's trying to give Lochlan characteristics that he could identify as "grown up."

But since Saxon's view of Loch isn't quite there yet in many ways, I think this threesome realization is hitting him hard. I think he's painfully aware of the power imbalance, and that is freaking him out even more than just the gay incest.

I want to talk more about this, but this post is getting insanely long, so you can see my continued thoughts on consent on this post.

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This is for the ao3 users who enjoy color or prefer non-white backgrounds

There is a TikTok user who made a tutorial of how to make your ao3 colorful, I’ll link her profile down below cuz she has MANY diff skin tutorials

Here is her tutorial, here is her link to her page.

These are two that caught my attention, but that’s cuz I need darker colors, she has a lot of pretty and colorful themes for y’all to check out!

Enjoy!

And thank you @cloudysao3 (her TikTok and Instagram handle)

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Eugene Allerton 🥵

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★ ·.·´¯`·.·★ [ Rinko Kikuchi ] ★·.·´¯`·.·★

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★ ·.·´¯`·.·★ [ Milena Ioanna ] ★·.·´¯`·.·★

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hugh laughton-scott at GQ men of the year party

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Hugh Laughton-Scott for Calvin Klein Eyeware (September 2024)

Please do not save, repost, or edit these gifs for any reason, use the reblog button instead. Also please do not interact if you’re a celeb rp blog or if you write taboo content on your blog, thank you!

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You literally have to understand that ur closest friends and loved ones may very well have kinks or fetishes that gross or freak you out and they simply won’t tell you because they know it grosses or freaks you out. Like you have no way of knowing if your best friend is into necro roleplay if she doesn’t wanna tell you. Sometimes you date someone for years before finding out they have a thing for incest. Maybe your coworker likes ageplay and diapers. Who gives a fuck. Nothing changes between you knowing and not knowing except your own constructed moral outrage.

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they're just normal men

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A Home at the End of the World dir. Michael Mayer