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The audio of Finn answering the following questions:
-What makes Mike and Eleven's relationship so strong?
-How does Mike's confession impact them after season 4?
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Yeahh.. we're safe guys
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"Will Byers is the sweetest, most innocent boy of all time," we say in unison, each of us knowing full well that Will canonically wants to spend the rest of his life scamming casinos and doing get-rich schemes with his boyfriend so that they'll never have to work again.
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whenever I’m alone with you

you make me feel like I am home again
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btw they knew will was going to have feelings for mike when they wrote
Do you remember the first day that we met? It was...it was the first day of kindergarten. I knew nobody. I had no friends. I just felt so alone, and so scared--but I saw you on the swings, and you were alone too. You were just swinging by yourself. So I just walked up to you and I asked--I asked if you wanted to be my friend. And you said yes. You said yes. It was the best thing I've ever done.
why the fuck would brilliant writers like the duffers give a character such a beautiful touching monologue, make the recipient of the monologue in love with them, just for it to mean absolutely nothing in the end.
if s5 ends with mlvn endgame and will accepting mike doesn't share feelings and moving on then all of that amounts to nothing. it literally means nothing. it'll be as if it never happened.
if the narrative of will and mike's arc is "gay boy falls in love with straight best friend because of straight best friend's adoring behavior and he just has to accept that some people are just straight" i will be absolutely flabbergasted. literally nobody besides mlvns want that.
part of stranger things since s3 is that some people ARENT straight. we think robin is straight and has feelings for steve in s3 because the writers allowed the heteronormativity, just so they could flip it on our heads later on. and they do a similar thing with vickie in s4, giving us hope that she shares robin's feelings, just for us to be devastated when we see her with her boyfriend. then they DOUBLE flip it on us by revealing vickie does indeed like robin.
the writers are literally teaching you to not just assume people are straight no matter how it may seem. we saw vickie flirt with her bf and kiss him and look happy when he kissed her neck and GUESS WHAT?? NOT STRAIGHT AND HAD FEELINGS FOR SOMEONE ELSE!!!
in almost all the most beloved couples, we've seen them appear happy with someone else before. like, genuinely happy. but we know that doesn't mean anything, because they can appear happy and still have issues/have hidden feelings for someone else. nancy told steve she loved him to his face and not even a week later got with jonathan. murray literally says you can genuinely like someone and be attracted to them and have real love for someone else at the same time.
not everything is what it seems. wizards of waverly place literally prepared us for this like come on
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"stop romanticizing male friendships" oh, did we do that? i thought the writers did when they made will in love with mike but idk
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"Without heart, we'd all fall apart."
i call it heartgate
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Are we ready to have an honest discussion about Will and El’s dynamic and possible ending yet?
Two characters sharing a similar narrative in this story. How will things end for these two?
It hasn’t occurred to me until recently just how little we discuss these two.
Over the course of the show, the development of Will and El’s co-existence has less to do with their relationship but more to do with Will’s character arc.
In the beginning (seasons 1 and 2), Will is so hidden that El takes over. Will “hides” in the upside down, and is again hidden when he is possessed. El takes the spotlight in his place.
Then in season 3, Will is physically present but in the background. He’s the side character. El is the leader. They barely interact.
In season 4, Will is starting to come out of his shell. He’s still a side character, but he’s closer to being on an even playing field with El. He’s not in the background as often, and is actually seen conversing with El, and he even confronts her on her lies to Mike. Which is also foreshadowing his lies to Mike later on in the season.
I’m going to be quite frank: El and Will are not actually very close in canon. The “wonder twins” idea is beautiful but very fanon. These two had so many opportunities to grow closer, especially since they were separated from the others in California… but they just don’t? They both seem lonely and disconnected in the other’s presence. But yet, they are connected another way: El is Will’s saviour/protector. She is like his security blanket. I mean this literally (textually), and a sub-textually. Obviously she helps him while he’s trapped in the upside down and when he’s possessed- making her a textual, and literal saviour.
But… what do I mean by a sub-textual saviour? Well, she protects him from having to take the spotlight. He is able to hide behind her in many ways.
For one, she takes the brunt of the bullies in Lenora. Will is able to go around unnoticed even as a GNC guy that he is. Back home at Hawkins, he is, unfortunately, very visible to bullies. Visibly different, visibly gay. But in Lenora? Bullies are too distracted by the girl who’s different instead.
Now when it comes to Will’s love life… El also is protecting him in a sense. He desires Mike, romantically, sexually, and intimately. Due to the rampant homophobia that surrounds him, these desires scare him. El is a safe barrier from these desires. Will is also able to safely express himself through her.
If El weren’t in the picture, Will may have been more bold in expressing this side of himself to Mike. He may just let his feelings slip out more. Perhaps he’d let his eyes linger a tad longer, or he’d be tempted to be a bit more tactile with the boy he’s overflowing with affection for.
El shields Will from having to confront many aspects of himself. That’s the problem. Because of her protection, he isn’t able to challenge himself and grow. This is why whenever El saves the day, it never lasts. She merely puts a “bandaid” on the wound. But this wound will grow and fester if the source of the problem is not addressed.
El’s Possible Origin
This is the first time in the entire show that El is mentioned. The context of this sounds like they’re implying that El also “came from” the upsidedown; precisely where Will was at the time.
Now, I’m aware this is a fairly unpopular opinion, but I do believe El was created from Will in a supernatural sense. I suppose in a similar way to how Eve was created from Adam, minus any romantic undertones.
Our very first sighting of El is of her emerging from the forest, barefoot, in a hospital gown, with very little hair on her head, and a limited knowledge of the English language. Not unlike an infant child. Now, please don’t take this the wrong way… I’m not implying that everyone with limited language skills are babies, there are many possible reasons for it. But within this show, it is implied that her lack of language skills are due to her experiences within the lab, and lack of experiences outside of it.
I do have to ask though, why do the other “lab kids” we have seen have no obvious language difficulties? Unless… El actually was an “infant” in a way…
This quote is interesting for multiple reasons. One I’m focusing on here is the mention of life starting that particular day. Of course I’m not referring to Mike’s life starting that day- I’m talking about the person we are shown in this particular shot- El.
Now, I know what everyone is thinking: how does El have memories that predate this day then?
Well, what I’m arguing is that many of her memories could be an altered version of Will’s memories. I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility that his memories could have been transferred to El.

This “fake” script of the episode Papa tells us that Will recognized Brenner. There’s a history there! Will likely could not quite pinpoint how he recognized him.
It’s important to note that Will only vaguely recalls aspects of his childhood. There’s gaps. Just like there’s gaps in El’s memory as well.
El’s Possible Ending
I’ve always been surprised just how little people dig into El’s possible ending in the show. I feel like people are somewhat aware of this possibility but choose not to give it any further thought. Truth is- El doesn’t feel like she belongs anywhere.
I need to remind everyone of this last shot in ST4. Yes yes the couples, we have heard it a million times already… but look where El is standing. She’s on the other side. She’s in the upsidedown. Where she initially came from. Now, I’m not saying she’ll end up in the current unpleasant upsidedown- she will likely live on in a peaceful version of it. An entirely new environment one that exists…
[In Will’s mind.]
I do think this is an important foreshadowing quote- but not in the way most people think. They won’t work together as twins- they will work together as one person. What I’m saying is…
They will combine. Just like what this hug visually foreshadows… El and Will will become one again.
I can honestly make a whole separate post regarding references made in ST to other media involving two characters being one. There’s a lot…
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y'all remember when will is confronting el about lying to mike and he says "i don't think mikes gonna like that you're lying to him. and he doesn't deserve that and when he finds out he's gonna be mad."
his point + logic is: mike is going to be mad that you've been lying because you're his girlfriend and you keeping the truth from him hurts him extra worse because he loves you
literally canon. established. that is his entire point.
then WHO DOES MIKE GET MAD AT FOR KEEPING THE TRUTH FROM HIM? WILL BYERS.
he literally doesn't gaf that el has been lying to him he's more upset that will didn't butt into their relationship to clear up el's lie because the idea of will keeping the truth from him hurts extra bad (because he's in love with will)
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Finn and Noah with Natalia and Matt Duffer at the movies tonight in Atlanta!!!
📹: dreamingbyers vía twitter
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Questions to ask if ever you have Byler doubt:
Do people seriously think that a SHOW that is centered on nerds and social outcasts...
... shows how awful the popular kids can be...
... sides against anti-gay bullies...
... sides against abusers...
... supports LGBT+ people...
... has interracial romance...
... says to embrace being different...
... turns an expected hetero romance into a beautiful platonic friendship...
... criticizes moral panic/evangelism...
... shows that love can overpower hate...
... and whose characters don't want to recreate the nuclear family...
... do we think that show will let Will's love for Mike be the device for a conventional white hetero couple to be the show's "main relationship"?
Has the show even set-up Mike and El, who met through trauma and circumstance while they were children and have repeatedly lied to each other, for a lifelong commitment?
Who's actually delusional?
And who sees this show for what it is? And what it's clearly setting up?
-teambyler
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world literally stopped when this dropped

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"they've been building up wills feelings for mike since season one"
meanwhile mikes been here fighting to search for will, abandoning all his friends when he thinks they've lost will and instead just sitting and looking through will's art, clinging to any idea of will being alive, refusing to sleep in the hospital waiting room, putting his head on wills chest, checking in with will, prioritizing will, comforting will, holding wills hand, noticing changes in wills behavior that nobody else does, stressing about it, sleeping over at wills house because will might be sick, going to the hospital with will, never leaving his side or trying to go anywhere despite the adults not comforting him, suffering through wills pain even though he knows it is what needs to be done, reaching for will even though he can't carry him, clinging to an unconscious will in terror, telling will that becoming his friend is the best thing he ever did and meaning it, telling will stories, jealous of the girl will is dancing with, apologizing to will as soon as he sees he's upset him including biking in a rainstorm and then running out to the voice, staring at wills lips constantly, grinning ear to ear when will says he won't join another party, hugging will goodbye in the saddest way fucking possible, staring back at wills house, crying about losing will, trying to call will but getting a busy signal, hearing through el's letters that will has moved on, thinking he's lost will, embarrassed about touching will in front of his girlfriend, aggressively pretending he doesn't care who that fucking painting is for, monitoring exactly how will is behaving on their day out without pushing to hard, being jealous of angela because he thinks will likes her, pouting when will doesn't laugh at his bad joke, shutting the door when he talks to will so they aren't interrupted, easily apologizing to will, checking out wills butt that one time, opening up with will, feeling like his relationship is different with will than with his other friends, making a point of correcting things that will has pointed out in arguments, blushing, being honest with will but also uncomfortable about the discussion of romance, taking what will says seriously, the triple take TM, more lip glancing, opening up to will again, being in love with the painting, looking subtly disappointed when will says it was commissioned, staring at will like he is seeing him for the first time, only truly smiling at will when will isn't looking, only confessing he loves el when will pushes him to because he thinks that is what will wants, comforting will again, gripping will like he could be faked at any moment, standing next to will constantly, and a bunch more stuff
i have receipts if need be, and also a ton more examples
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that goddamn curtain man

“People don't spend their lives trying to get a look at what's behind the curtain. They like the curtain. It provides them stability, comfort, definition.” - Murray s2ep5
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El calling Mike and... Mike doesn't answer. Hmmm.

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