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Historical Inheritence Question:

In 1800s England (before the Married Women’s Property Act of 1882), what happened if a man died while his only son was still a small child?

Would there be a sort of “regency” for the man’s property? Who would control the money while the son was a minor? Does the deceased man’s wife or eldest brother have control until the son is old enough? Does who has control depend on if there’s a title/entailment/etc?

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Is everyone who watched season 2 of Ginny & Georgia on crack?!

When it came out, I wasn’t watching the show, but all the reviews I saw said the same thing: Ginny was a whiny, self-centered teenager and Georgia was a spectacular mom. Every clip I saw was of young Georgia, in flashbacks, trying to keep Ginny safe from violence and poverty, so I believed it.

Now that I’m actually watching the season, I’m absolutely bewildered.

Georgia is a TERRIBLE mom. She takes absolutely everything as a personal insult. She hides all the food in the house because she’s mad at Ginny, even though that’s straight-up child abuse and she knows what it’s like to go hungry. She tries to get Ginny’s teacher fired/arrested for pornography even after Ginny says that the reason she never tells Georgia anything is because she overreacts. She refuses to let her daughter talk about the fact that Georgia’s a murderer with her, even though (as far as she knows, because she doesn’t know Ginny told Marcus) she’s the only person Ginny can talk to. And she finds out Ginny burns herself and immediately turns it into yet another situation where Ginny has to comfort her mother. Instantly starts asking if it’s because of her.

She’s a horrible mother. She might have her moments in the flashbacks, and I understand she’s young and traumatised, but any one of these things taken individually is enough to make her a bad mother, let alone all of them together.

And Ginny is not a whiny, self-centered teenager. I think she’s actually being very mature, given the heavy, adult issues she’s dealing with. She feels consistently unsafe (she has nightmares about her mother killing her) and she feels guilty and isolated — yet she never tells anyone but Marcus what Georgia did. She would be well within her rights to tell Zion or her therapist, but she keeps her mother’s secret even though it’s eating her up inside. It’s a selflessness I don’t think Georgia could ever manage.

So seriously, what the hell is going on with people’s opinions of this show?

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After the ravens-foxes game in TGR, Andrew and Neil are in Abby’s office and alone for a second as she went to go grab something and Neil is worried Andrew hurt himself further by intervening to keep them from hurting Neil further and Neil says “you promised to let me fight my own battles” (their conversation before he got taken after the game by Lola when Andrew ended their deal). And Andrew looks his ass straight in the eye and says “if it means losing you, then no”

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thinking about the fact that Neil matched Kevin's and Andrew's freak almost immediately. just straight up figured out how they ticked and walked them like dogs for three books straight. to everyone else, Kevin and Andrew are insane. to Neil, they make perfect sense.

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Primarily hearing from Neil via the press in tgr really makes the og aftg trilogy make so much more sense because I think sometimes from Neil “unreliable narrator” josten’s pov he leads you to believe he’s like an innocent little lad just doing what must be done but when you see him from an outsider pov you’re like oh. Jean is actually right, this guy is kind of a cunty little gremlin freak who causes chaos wherever he goes

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“they tried to kill each other” yes and? do you have a problem with true love

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I've been useless all day after this news how am I supposed to continue my life without an ounce of information besides "apparently maybe this will be a thing"

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>>> the perfect court the foxhole court the raven king the king's men the sunshine court the golden raven the broken cage >>> the queen's game

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just a pinch of pynch eheh

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marriage of convenience that slowly turns into a love marriage - but both of them believe is one sided is such a delicious trope

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Darcy’s introduction in Pride and Prejudice is really ‘what if you had just had the worst month of your life because your ex-bestie tried to lover boy scam your baby sister out of her share of your dad’s life insurance and your friend dragged you to a shitty party in a dive bar in the neighbourhood where he’d just signed a short term lease, and you decided to let your bad mood show because you were never going to see any of the assholes in this stupid shitty bar EVER again. And your friend ended up making out with a girl he’d just met there while you were stuck talking to her sister who was less cute and then her mother appeared and started trying to matchmake and started saying how if she was twenty years younger she’d clime you like a redwood and ooooh is that a black Amex, guess the next round is on you hahhahahahaha, while her other sister (how many fucking sisters does she have?!) flashed an obviously fake ID at the bar and ordered six vodka-diet red bulls and no one in her family except the less-cute sister even tried to stop her. And you went home and consoled yourself that you would never see any of these people again but then you met them over and over again because they live next door and your friend and the cute sister keep meeting up to make out but not actually date and then. You fall in love with the less-cute sister because it turns out she’s really witty and charismatic but she already knows and remembers and resents the fact that on a day when you were in a shitty mood you called her mid out loud in a dive bar.’

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Your thoughts about Ronance?

I... don't like it. Sorry

Individually, they're two of my favorite characters in Stranger Things, but I just can't see them together. To me, they just wouldn't have chemistry, unless it's the kind that blows everything up. I think Nancy and Robin's idiosyncrasies wouldn't work well together. They both need partners who are more flexible and willing to mold their relationship in a particular way. Nancy hates not having control, because when she's not in control, people die. But Robin is way more spontaneous, which I think would drive Nancy up the wall. Robin's outwardly A Lot and Nancy is a self-contained kind of A Lot, which I can't see working. They’re both incredibly smart, but they don’t really share overlapping interests and while Nancy’s sense of self is tied up in being the Good Girl, Robin self-identifies as the Weirdest Girl in Hawkins and is purposefully nonconformist. Also Robin was raised by hippies and Nancy was raised by people who voted for Reagan and I think at least while they’re teenagers, that shapes a lot of who they are

(Also as someone whose favorite relationship on the show is Steve and Robin’s friendship, but who also likes the Steve/Nancy relationship, I just can’t see Robin breaking bro code like that).

I can see them eventually becoming friends. With a common friend group and common trauma, and especially as they grow up and mellow out a bit, I think they could get along. (There's also Barb between them, haunting them both, Nancy's greatest failure who used to be Robin's best friend first).

For Robin, I prefer Robin/Vickie, Hellcheer, or Robin/Carol (or an OFC).

For Nancy, I like Jancy, Stancy, or Stoncy (though I think the idea of a comp-het lesbian Nancy is also really interesting).

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KJ Charles Fics People Should Write

Susan bringing Cara home to meet her Guvnors (and Emma). Justin and Nathaniel only know that this is her first serious lover since James Vane (and the only one she’s brought home to meet them). They’re expecting someone vaguely respectable, who maybe owns a business or has a trade. Cue their surprise and horror when they realize she’s finally over the Marquess’s nephew only to bring home a Duke’s daughter. Bonus points if Sukey never bothered mentioning she’s into women

Esther Gold’s pov before and through A Case of Possession, when she’s worried Stephen Day is turning warlock. She testifies before the Justiciary that he’s not, but she’s terrified that she doesn’t know her partner. Where is he getting such power? And then her pov on the scene where they heal Leonora using Crane’s blood and the fight that happens after

Anything that takes advantage of the fact that Society of Gentlemen, Sins of the Cities, and The Lilywhite Boys are set in the same universe. Pen Starling working with Miss Cristiana at the music hall. Greta using her titles as Countess of Moreton to do chaotic-good shit. Greta and Pen swapping places so Greta can swing on the trapeze again (with potential shenanigans as Pen plays Greta for the day). Normal, boring Tim ending up at family events with Jerry Crozier and trying to make polite conversation.

Silas and the Shakespeare siblings lived on the streets at the same time as children. Their youth, their friendship. Cyprian probably met them through Millay’s, once Zoë started working there. Their first meeting must have been epic

Relatedly, I’ve seen people do fics where Silas hangs out with the Ricardians (though admittedly there could be more of those, focusing on Silas getting to know each of them and like some of them (he will never like Francis, but finds Julius tolerable)). But what about Dom meeting Silas’s friends? I want Dom sitting in a room with Silas, Will, Jon, Zoë, and others and them being skeptical of Silas’s Tory (except Zoë, who’s fond of him) but slowly coming to appreciate that he’s trying hard to like Silas’s friends and be somewhat palatable to them. (Bonus points for a crossover with the Band Sinister universe. I think this group would be friends with Theodore Swann, Martin St. Vincent, Amanda Frisby, and Jon Raven).

Francis Webster meeting Robin Loxleigh and playing him in a game of cards

Dom going to something (a dinner?) and ending up next to Lord Corvin. He’s outraged by everything coming out of the man’s mouth and is also sitting there panicking because there are hand-shaped bruises around Corvin’s wrist (from John, of course) and he doesn’t like having a single thing in common with the Devil’s Lord, but he can’t help but feel kinship with him

The Murder showing up to Romney Marsh to visit Luke and meeting Gareth, Joss, Sophy, Rufus, and the lot. Corvin would adore the Earl’s castle with its random corridors and nonsensical gothic architecture. Plus the sacrificial alter thing. Amanda would absolutely set a Gothic novel on Romney Marsh. Gareth and the Salcombe-Streets would love talking about their exploration of nature via bugs and fossils.

DS meeting Phoebe and realizing he should have hired her to be the secret agent instead of Kim because she has all of Kim’s competence and none of his Kimmishness. (This is not a diss on Kim, but he and Will have just come back from another bungled mission where they left behind a string of bodies and DS is furious). Plus she’s pretty and feminine, which means everybody basically overlooks her and it’s very easy for her to get info because a lady can’t possibly be a threat.

Anything with the Seven Wonders. Idk why nobody writes Death in the Spires fic, but I need all of it. Ella and Aaron’s awkward reunion while he still believes she’s a murderer but they start working together to figure out what the fuck Jem is up to. The five remaining Wonders hanging out after the end of the book. Outsider povs of all the people who work at Oxford having heart attacks when they all descend on campus at the same time. Prue and Ella slowly repairing their friendship. Aaron and Jem’s friendship

A day in the life of Mr. Peacock, devoted husband to the most ordinary woman in the world. He just tries to do normal things like make breakfast and look after his wife, but in the background Kim and Will are up to shenanigans. But the whole time Mr. Peacock has to be unruffled and act like none of this is even slightly out of the ordinary

Marianne Loxleigh should meet Amanda Frisby. They’d either invent feminism or cause the apocalypse by noon

Theo and Martin have to meet the Murder. It would be so good. Theo’s already met John, but he’s entirely unprepared for Corvin being Corvin and also for Amanda and her gothic novels and also for every single person treating him like a celebrity because they all love Jonathan. Meanwhile Martin in having a heart attack over the fact that this is The Murder, but he gets on well enough with Guy, Phil, John, and David, all of whom are least capable of pretending to be suitable company

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How do you think Robert would have reacted to being confronted about his behavior towards Cersei? By like, a Tywin that actually cared about his daughter being abused.

So one of the biggest points of the books is that feudal society and the systems that comprise it are evil and pretty categorically unable to produce a Woke Tywin like you are describing. Robert is a violent delusional misogynist because he is a product of this society.

Women do not have rights in feudal westeros. Once you get married you belong to your husband. Domestic violence against your wife is considered common and acceptable. Especially if the king does it because the king has near-absolute power. If confronted I do not think Robert Baratheon would care for longer than a few hours and then might lash out after and nothing would change. He committed an act of violence westeros considers taboo (murdering royal infants) and experienced no consequences or real shaming for it because he is the king. Committing an act of violence Westeros does not consider taboo is even less impact.

I think the Tyrells probably had the right of it in that if you are putting a daughter in an unsafe marriage and you do not want this to happen to her you do just have to kill the king.

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Renee Walker:

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Will you accept a mad dany arc if grrm does it in a different, more sensical way or would that always narratively suck for you?

it has nothing do with my personal feelings regarding the character. i dislike speculation of dany having a downfall arc because it reveals a misreading of the text and the narrative role she plays within it. i don't believe it can be done in a satisfying way because she was always intended to be a heroic character. the 'mad dany' reading relies on certain initial assumptions about her character that are being problematised within the story—which is difficult to discuss because grrm's intent regarding dany is at odds with the orientalist framework he employs in the construction of essos, but i'll try to be comprehensive about it. so dany is an exile, homeless and perpetually seeking a home. she was told by viserys that westeros is "our land" but she's not culturally westerosi the same way the rest of our cast is because she's also never known westeros. all she has are second hand, romanticised accounts from viserys (These places he talked of [...] they were just words to her). dany has lived her entire life in essos and absorbed their cultural norms and slavery is normalised in most of essos (There was no slavery in the free city of Pentos. Nonetheless, they were slaves), it's especially apparent in her first chapter which pointedly draws attention to the various slaves serving at illyrio's manse, something dany doesn't express any moral objection to, because nobody has taught her this is wrong. and that understanding only comes after viserys sells her to drogo and she personally experiences a similar loss of autonomy.

Do you know what it is like to be sold, squire? I do. My brother sold me to Khal Drogo for the promise of a golden crown. Well, Drogo crowned him in gold, though not as he had wished, and I . . . my sun-and-stars made a queen of me, but if he had been a different man, it might have been much otherwise. Do you think I have forgotten how it felt to be afraid? DAENERYS II, A Storm of Swords

and when mirri reveals to dany that her act of 'saving' her was no saving at all. rescuing her through the offer of a place in drogo's khalasar is a meaningless gesture since it does nothing to address the systems that have enabled mirri's enslavement in the first place. yeah, she's fourteen and possesses no power in her own right and is not complicit in drogo's crimes but mirri's presence in the story is meant to teach her that lesson. dany does not arrive already possessed with a political consciousness that opposes slavery, she learns and reorients her worldview just as jon did once he became familiar with the free folk. this is an important detail because without it her crusade in slaver's bay is no longer a story about a former enslaved and sexually abused girl being provided the means to begin a revolutionary counter-struggle against a culture of dehumanisation, but about a civilising mission where a culturally westerosi (westeros, where slavery is outlawed. westeros which is clearly imagined as the occident to essos's orient) character with superior ideals travels to foreign lands to educate the barbarians—which would've made her a straightforward white saviour figure. this IS undermined by the way her storyline is rife with orientalist tropes and i'm getting to that, but my main point is that dany's character is very deliberately written to be someone who is stateless and doesn't belong anywhere. she is an other. which is compounded by her targaryen heritage—the targaryens are narratively imagined as white enough to co-exist with the rest of westeros but they're also being othered because they're a family originating from the east with 'depraved' inbreeding and blood magic practices (practices that are reviled throughout the whole continent), which simultaneously makes them too other to ever fully assimilate despite the family being culturally westerosi in all the ways that matter. this especially comes through in the coin quote, every house has had occasional despots for rulers but people only bother to pathologise the targaryens and that's because they're foreigners. "the gods flip a coin" is presenting this dichotomy of targaryens as either mad - violent barbarians from the east, or great, in which case they're exoticised as otherworldly, above the laws of gods and men. and the final thing that serves to other her is her association with the dothraki. the dothraki are initially introduced as violent savages, but that view has been challenged since then as dany adopts dothraki customs and comes to love their people as her own and even sees herself as more of a khaleesi than a queen. and i must emphasise that this is no way done well because a) the dothraki are constructed out of offensive stereotypes about steppe cultures b) five books later grrm hasn't bothered to give any of them interiority because he clearly doesn't care about the dothraki, they're an afterthought in his narrative about dany and c) i think the subversion of their introduction as the inferior racial other basically amounts to "they're noble savages".

so you see all this at work when in-universe those who revile her speak of alleged violent tendencies, that she's coming to burn the continent down, that she hatched her dragons through foul blood magic and that she tricked her khal husband into murdering her brother and has acquired an army of savages, that her court is made up of foreigners and 'honourless' westerosi men (jorah, barristan, and soon tyrion), while others talk of her supposed otherworldly beauty ("The last of her line. They say she is the fairest woman in the world.")—the mad dany reading of her is taking all this at face value, it's falling for that in-universe narrative her enemies have come up with, which associates her and her allies' foreignness with moral depravity. (this is also what the show did, which i said "achieved her s8 ending by fully leaning into the horror of the savage oriental horde come to oppress the civilised westerosi landowning class" and that hysterical randyll tarly speech "at least cersei wasn't a FOREIGNER"). a very early example of this is in the first book. robert wanted a teenager dead because she was a targaryen: aerys's daughter, rhaegar's sister, because she married a khal and adopted dothraki customs as her own. and it was ned who put up a fight against this. ned is flawed in my ways but do you suppose the narrative will diminish ned's legacy in this, in his stance against dehumanisation. and asoiaf is primarily about that, every major character has had experience with being othered (cripples, bastards, and broken things is about this) and within this narrative dany is meant to be The Other who is working to end institutions of otherisation. her upcoming invasion of westeros is not playing into the the threat of the foreign invader but raising questions of whether westeros is also in need of some reform (at one point tyrion directly compares a serf to a slave, something that might be narratively painting westeros as not culturally superior at all for having outlawed slavery). the problem, of course, being that the way grrm subverts the image of essos as the inferior racial other is by first populating it with orientalist stereotypes. he parallels some of the violence found in ghiscari culture and the dothraki raid of the lhazareen village with ramsay and amory lorch and gregor clegane et al operating in the riverlands in acok but the ghiscari are also portrayed almost as a monolith, as uniformly morally suspect individuals because our only introduction to them is through the slavers. it's the way dany is the only active abolitionist with a narrative voice in essos (there's the shavepate. but he's also a scheming violent extremist so), i said her story is not a civilising mission but when you fail to give any of the ghiscari oppressed a voice it doesn't result in great optics. and it is undeniable that the story is About Westeros, dany's great narrative destiny lies over there, when the long night arrives—an apocalyptic threat meant to affect the entire world—the battle for the dawn will also take place over there, i doubt the essosi will play a role in that.

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We need a name for the second AFTG trilogy.

All For the Game is only the first three books, as far as I’m concerned. It gets super confusing when trying to refer only to the Jean&Jeremy books and having to call them AFTG. And it’s confusing to tag (I’ve just been tagging both The Sunshine Court and The Golden Raven when I’m referring to that part of the series). So I propose we name them something.

The Trojan Trilogy. The Sunshine Trilogy. The Golden Raven and the Sunshine Captain. Literally anything, as long as it become semi-standardised. Please y’all