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One thing I find really interesting is the relationship between Sebastian and Isabelle! Because in Clary’s Edom dream, we see that good Sebastian has a crush on Isabelle

And later on in City of glass, when Sebastian and Izzy are talking, he tells her that he liked her the best and thought they where the most similar

AND I also find it interesting that technically Izzy is the first person to leave a long lasting physical mark on him (we know he has a scar that he covers up with his bracelet).

There relationship is a such a small one but a really interesting one 👀👀

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These thoughts ain’t steamy or cute nor a reason to get all hot and bothered by someone acting like an animal.

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Do you think Clare wanted to give Julian a morally grey character path? It seems just like a messy psycho with no quality (either good or bad) to make him an interesting anti hero. I saw a review that compare Julian to Littlefinger and I was like "lol, no, tf???"

Littlefinger, really? Good god. Clare probably did aim towards some morally grey area, for sure. What was the result, well... Not the Machiavellian schemer that Littlefinger is at all rather than a completely despicable maniac. Julian is supposed to be this super twisty and cunning tactician, but nothing he comes up with is really that complex or conniving. He’s just plain manipulative and ruthless but you’re supposed to admire that in him, not despise.

Julian is blatantly selfish and willing to murder and torture, like a messy psycho, to achieve an end but at the same time everyone around him condones that, though other characters are held accountable for behaving such ruthless way as Julian. Somehow it is different, because Julian is one of the Good Guys, and his actions always end up serving a moral end whereas the other people are just plain evil. There is always still, despite his selfishness and ruthlessness, some moral superiority to him, which is why I wouldn’t classify Julian even as an antihero because in the end he is moral, courageous, and just where it counts. He’s just very utilitarian in the way he sees to achieves his personal goals for his family. 

In addition, Julian’s actions never get him hatred from any of the Good Guys. His actions never destroy relationships or alliances. He never does anything bad to them. No one disagrees with his character or actions enough to outright dislike him (not that any of the good guys dislike each other anyway). Everyone can justify Julian’s actions for him and is a-okay with Julian being the way he is. 

I find that comparison to Littlefinger funny because it implies that the goals of these two characters are in any way similar or that the intricacy and complexity of plot developments in Clare’s writing are in any way on same level as G.R.R. Martin’s. If Clare would’ve wanted more complexity in the relationships of the character and the development of the story, if she had wanted to write Julian as truly selfish and ruthless as she thought she did, Julian would’ve helped Emma severe all the parabatai bonds, for starters. But no, that’s too much morally bad stuff since, in the end, things needs to return to the status quo where everyone can carry on normally with their lives like before until the next trilogy starts.

There’s also the fact that Julian needs to be sympathetic enough for readers to like him and empathize with his problems and angst, which results in this messy, ruthless bastard with no empathy skills outside his family members. Julian would’ve made a good villain. What a twist that would’ve been.

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hello chat i am back w/ these four freaks and their fuckass outfits

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Shadowhunters, terrorizing magnus sine 1666

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I will admit that Sebastian had a lot of good potential to be a compelling villain but Clare didn’t really do anything with his character. I’m pretty sure the only personality traits he had were being attracted to Clary and being evil. I’m fairly sure he was only inserted into the story so Clare could have her incest relationship but for real this time? But the fact that the relationship between Jace and Clary, and Sebastian and Clary are actually the same - incestuous, and Jace and Sebastian are both toxic and abusive - yet they’re presented and framed differently: what Jace and Clary have is beautiful and forbidden love while Sebastian and Clary are very wrong, is kind of manipulative writing on Clare’s part imo? They’re both the same thing, they’re both incest and they’re both wrong. Also held up by the fact that Jace is the good guy and Sebastian is not. Yet fans buy into this and agree with Clare’s writing. Btw if Sebastian lusting after Clary was supposedly wrong then why are there so many scenes of them together. If the author thinks that it’s morally wrong you really have to question the sheer number of scenes in which Sebastian tries to assault Clary and why she even chose to write that in the first place. It’s not sending any kind of message, there’s no point in them. It’s kind of surreal tbh? Why did Clare choose to write her villain like this? Who writes their villain assaulting their sister so many times without any “moral of the story” thing in mind for it? Like there’s no point lol

Thanks for listening to my rant lmao

Rants are always welcome! :)

And YEP. He is pretty much a caricature of a proper villain. Sebastian is EEEVIL. He’s so EEEVIL because he does EEEVIL things. Sebastian is sometimes so over-the-top evil that it’s hard to imagine him imposing threat that is not incredibly convoluted. He just doesn’t feel threatening at all. He sends edgy messages in angel blood, kills little boys, forces sexual acts on his sister, and is totally homophobic. I mean, those are just vile but at the same time, do you villains have to do their absolute worst for them to considered villain?

Oh, and Sebastian speaks to Jace how disgusting Jace’s “incestuous” feelings for Clary were while he tries to act on such things himself. Dude.

And I agree with that incest aspect. It wouldn’t resurface if Clare wasn’t so intent on having it as a theme. There isn’t really scenes, to my memory, where Clary suffers from Sebastian attempting to force himself on her. Makes me wonder whether Clare didn’t think of it as a sexual assault in that sense—as sexual assault for sure, but not as a trauma for Clary—so she didn’t write Clary suffering from it either.

The whole escapade with Sebastian, Clary, and Jace was so weird and I remember weirdly little about it other than it being way too long and way too senseless.

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I will admit that Sebastian had a lot of good potential to be a compelling villain but Clare didn’t really do anything with his character. I’m pretty sure the only personality traits he had were being attracted to Clary and being evil. I’m fairly sure he was only inserted into the story so Clare could have her incest relationship but for real this time? But the fact that the relationship between Jace and Clary, and Sebastian and Clary are actually the same - incestuous, and Jace and Sebastian are both toxic and abusive - yet they’re presented and framed differently: what Jace and Clary have is beautiful and forbidden love while Sebastian and Clary are very wrong, is kind of manipulative writing on Clare’s part imo? They’re both the same thing, they’re both incest and they’re both wrong. Also held up by the fact that Jace is the good guy and Sebastian is not. Yet fans buy into this and agree with Clare’s writing. Btw if Sebastian lusting after Clary was supposedly wrong then why are there so many scenes of them together. If the author thinks that it’s morally wrong you really have to question the sheer number of scenes in which Sebastian tries to assault Clary and why she even chose to write that in the first place. It’s not sending any kind of message, there’s no point in them. It’s kind of surreal tbh? Why did Clare choose to write her villain like this? Who writes their villain assaulting their sister so many times without any “moral of the story” thing in mind for it? Like there’s no point lol

Thanks for listening to my rant lmao

Rants are always welcome! :)

And YEP. He is pretty much a caricature of a proper villain. Sebastian is EEEVIL. He’s so EEEVIL because he does EEEVIL things. Sebastian is sometimes so over-the-top evil that it’s hard to imagine him imposing threat that is not incredibly convoluted. He just doesn’t feel threatening at all. He sends edgy messages in angel blood, kills little boys, forces sexual acts on his sister, and is totally homophobic. I mean, those are just vile but at the same time, do you villains have to do their absolute worst for them to considered villain?

Oh, and Sebastian speaks to Jace how disgusting Jace’s “incestuous” feelings for Clary were while he tries to act on such things himself. Dude.

And I agree with that incest aspect. It wouldn’t resurface if Clare wasn’t so intent on having it as a theme. There isn’t really scenes, to my memory, where Clary suffers from Sebastian attempting to force himself on her. Makes me wonder whether Clare didn’t think of it as a sexual assault in that sense—as sexual assault for sure, but not as a trauma for Clary—so she didn’t write Clary suffering from it either.

The whole escapade with Sebastian, Clary, and Jace was so weird and I remember weirdly little about it other than it being way too long and way too senseless.

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I still remember how Sebastian's eyes turned from black to green when the "evil" was burned out of him by the heavenly fire sword and I was like, wait what????

It's also ridiculous that I'm supposed to believe "true eeeevil" can be fixed just like that.

How shallow is that? How unrealistic? Mental health? Behaviors and mindsets ingrained by an abusive parent? World building? Ew, what are those?????

Clare writes cartoon characters and gets mad and bullies people when readers call her out 😂😂😂

It's also a really bad message: evil people can be easily fixed, so if you have issues and aren't fixed easily, you're fucked up beyond hope???????

Clare brags about writing morally gray characters, but that's so not true. The binary good - evil is strong in this one.

Shallow, shallow writing and author.

With Sebastian, it's like his demon blood is what made him evil. Not Valentine's influence, not his upbringing. Not being brought up to be the "perfect" spy. All of Sebastian's evilness vanishes with the demon blood burning away.

I still can't make sense of the whole demon blood aspect of it, because the only reason provided is "it's like radiation, it changes you." Radiation doesn't make people evil, and warlocks aren't inherently evil for having one demon parent. I have to check whether the e-book version of City of Glass has that same explanation because there's been other changes done to the 2015 edition also.

Valentine and Sebastian were such shallow villains, and all the attempts at making them more nuanced were done retroactively. Despite whether some readers think those attempts were successful or not, they do nothing to change the fact that when you go back to the original series, the first three books of TMI, neither Sebastian nor Valentine suddenly appear any more multifaceted that they did before.

The world-building is lacking because originally it all was just a backdrop to Jace and Clary's love story anyway. 🤡

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Why was Sebastian obsessed with Clary so much that he gave up his desire to burn the world just to rule besides her?

I know that he was abused and very lonely, never felt love, manipulated by Valentine to be grow up to be a monster etc. I know he understands blood more than love, he's attracted to Clary just because she's his sister, needs to control and domineer her.

But on re-reading the books, I noticed a slight shift in his behaviour towards her before and after Battle of Burren.

Before the Battle of Burren- In CoG, he was disappointed after meeting her because she wasn't anything like him, said she had no braincells in her head, thought she was weak, dismissed her when she tried to fight him after Hodge was killed.

In CoLS, he wasn't bothered when Jace was hooking up with her, wasn't that concerned that Clary didn't use Morgenstern as her surname, told Jace to restrain her and make her shut up in the Battle of Burren, went against her will to try to make her drink from the Infernal Cup.

After the Battle of Burren- In CoHF, he attacked the Iron Sisters just to get Clary and Jace, showed up in her room at night in Alicante just to see Clary, desperately wanted Clary to be his queen, was ready to forgive her completely, offered to give her power and immorality if she became his queen, didn't want them to fight, didn't harm the other characters she cared about, gave up his goal of burning the world for her, didn't want other characters to even say her name and wanted her to use Morgenstern as surname.

Now I know he says he does this because he "loves" her. And tbh, based on his nature and nurture, I think what he is willing to do for Clary is a very strong declaration of love from his part, however twisted we might find it.

So I know he thought they both were alike but I still don't understand how/why he felt this extent of love towards Clary? Especially as highlighted after Battle of Burren?

Sure, a reason is CC's weird incest fetish but the change is so drastic. Bad writing?

Having read Clare's newer works and now re-reading the original TMI trilogy and considering all the changes that's been done to the newer editions, I honestly don't think she knew where the hell she was going with the story and the world.

Yeah, Valentine even says to Sebastian that Sebastian might be underestimating Clary, but Sebastian just brushes it off. And I sort of feel that Sebastian wanting to kiss Clary in that book was also left completely unexplained and without any reason.

It's a pretty big shift in a character to suddenly be all about Clary when Sebastian never before showed otherwise any inclination caring about her at all. So yeah, definitely bad writing and bad character development. To be put like that, it just seems Clare changed her mind in the middle of things and went completely other way.

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Why did Sebastian so strongly believe clary was just like him? I don't really see any similarities.

I don't know. In City of Glass, Sebastian says that Isabelle was the most like him and that's why he liked her the best, as much as he can genuinely like anyone. Even then I didn't see the similarity to be honest.

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Jonathan & Clary Fairchild, The Mortal Instruments

❝I dreamed of a green place once,❞ he whispered. ❝A manor house and a little girl with red hair, and preparations for a wedding. If there are other worlds, then maybe there is one where I was a good brother and a good son.❞

Happy birthday, Alina! @liyathakkar ♡

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Some good I mean to do, despite of my own nature.

for @liyathakkar, happy birthday alina!!!! 

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sebastian morgenstern and maven calore are the two best ya villains and literally nobody can change my mind about that