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wisecomicsbyanimals · 3 years ago

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(I haven’t read the book, I’m talking about the Disney movie)

No, Cindrella’s magic has nothing to do with her origins. The magic is from the Fairy Godmother. She turns Cinderella's horse into a coachman, an ordinary pumpkin into a carriage, the mices into horses, she make appear a dress and finally the glass slippers that only Cinderella can wear. All of this (besides the slippers) would be back to normal at midnight.

These aren’t real.

These are illusions.

At the end of the day what stays is Cindrella herself and the slippers. The slippers that symbolise her uniqueness because they only fit her feet.

Which is what I was saying about this panel :

They don’t look the same but it’s definitely them and that’s what matter.

Also, just after the « vulnerable » scene. They says this :

Bonde deguising to PRANK Sherlock is something they have thought about way before. In the 2nd novel :

It’s nothing new. Bonde loves teasing Sherlock, they have been doing it since the beginning of their relationship and the most important : Bonde just LOVES acting.

You also forget that the first time the Cinderella bs came our was because Irene wanted to tease Miss Hudson. It wasn’t that serious to begin with and by their own words Miss Hudson was the « bad stepsister» not the Moriartys.

They were indeed afraid of the Lord of Crime at first but who wouldn’t honestly ? They didn’t know them yet. All they known of them was that they have the abilities to kill who they want, when they want (as Albert show them at the bal) and that they have the power to save their life. But that’s all they know about them, they have 0 certainty that they would not take the documents and kill them afterwards. It's normal that they were scared at first.

The « my life is yours » is not something unique to Bonde’s case. All the members of the organisation gave William their life. That’s the proof of their loyalty to him and to the plan.

Bonde's fear was only temporary, once they saw that they were not going to kill them, at that moment, they calmed down, and they accepted the offer of life that they proposed to them.

From that moment Bonde never again showed any sign of fear towards them. The very first time we see them as Bonde, he confidently corrects Louis when the latter said they were a servant of the Moriarty family. He corrected « they are the servant of the Moriarty PLAN » and ideal they agree with and wants to support. Then they wanted to impose themselves on Moran, an old member of the group. They call William and Albert by cute little nicknames, it doesn't looks very "they are so scared of them''

Bonde wants Moran to accept them not only as a man but also as a member of their team. After all, their name symbolise their Bond. Just as they are thankful to Sherlock for saving their life, William and his friends saved them too. They started a new life with new friends it’s just normal they want to feel integrated and accepted by the team. What’s why they asks so many questions to Moran about the brothers past, what’s also why, in the novel, they went back to Whitechapel alone because they thought they would learn more "Will-kun" (the very respectful nickname they give to the person they are so afraid of)'s past.

Bonde was always a friendly, good and teasing person, even back then as Irene so I don’t think their actions come from fear. Besides the succes of the general operation (that was the point of chapter 24 and they came back on it in The Final Problem) they can do whatever they want and how they want.

The society had put on them more pressure just because they were a woman than the Moriartys ever did.

They put on a dress one night and no one told them to not. They show up before the public that way (which is an inconsistency of logic in the story. But it’s fiction ans stupid things happens in fiction sometimes) so they could have stay as woman if they wanted to. The plan has ended, they works for their atonement now, no more the plan. Their life is no more William’s. The conclusion of the Empty Hearts is Monneypenny giving a message to Moran, but also to everyone, even the readers :

Everyone decided what they are going to do with their life, Bonde had that choice too but they didn’t choose to continue their life as a woman but to stay as a man.

See ? You are being petty again by ignoring the authors words. I understand that you doubt any kind of interview comfirming a queer relationship/character but it’s not as if the author said something untrue here.

Adler TOOK a new name and life, they ARE Bonde, a MAN, and they ARE the 7th agent. These are facts from the manga.

Tte MI6 made it’s first debuts in chapter 4. Afghanistan war was 3 chapters long, just after that were the Two Detectives, two chapters. It’s half a year before the Scandal Arc, and the most important it’s before Irene’s first appearance. Which means that when they first appeared they were already meant to become a man later. (And the author has the storyboard and plot done 4 chapters ahead so when they gave Moran the title of agent 6th in the first chapter of the Afghanistan war they were already in midn doing of Irene the 7th. They haven’t had time yet to see is Monneypenny, a woman, "works" as you say)

Going to end it by talking about the novels. I said it corrects the manga’s flaws because you consider some of these as flaws. While it’s just things the author couldn’t show in the manga because of the limit pages and monthely publication. They talked about this in the same interview, most of characters are underdeveloped because they can’t allow themselves to deviate from the main plot by fear of losing the reader.

That’s why the novels exist. They are here to show the characters daily life, give more Information about them (for example, how Herder manages to walk around while he is blind), more about the relationships and some foreshadowing here and there, especially for The Final Problem.

And yes, it is about your own feelings. You are not satisfied with the way Bonde is written because you see narratives that you associate with your personal experience and that hurts you. Other trans and queer people, a larger majority of them, feel well represented and find Bonde to be one of the few respected trans characters.

I can see our opinions and interpretation just don’t match and we could argue that way for days without going anywhere. What’s why, I’m not going to answer further.

Ps: calling me a racist, assuming I am white and never abused makes you the same kind of person as the famous "bullies" from fandom. On this, Have nice day.

I haven't posted anything YuuMori in what feels like forever but reminder that Comet and I, and us minority folk were correct about Bond's gender (they/them) since the start and have received harassment for not using (he/him) like the Fandom Majority™ did! And that now those Fandom Majority™ are claiming to have been correct about (they/them) and us being incorrect! Have a nice day with this information!

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wisecomicsbyanimals · 3 years ago

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Allow me to start with what the author said about Bonde.

This is an extract from the Jump Rise 2018, in which the authors had an interview about stuff related to The Scandal in British Empire.

Takeuchi: Yes, that's right. In this series, they visit Sherlock as the King of Bohemia, but in the original story, the King of Bohemia is naturally the King of Bohemia. I thought there would be no surprise if we went with the usual way but I made Irene do it. And now that I can say it, Irene is going to take on a new name, James Bond, as they take on a new life. I had already decided on Irene as the seventh man in MI6 for quite some time, and since Moran is surely the seventh in terms of image, that is why I made him the sixth in Afghanistan arc.

Unlike what you guys think, Bonde as a man didn’t come out from no where. The "man" that I put in red is the "man" as from "of male gender" and not as from "member".

In this same interview the authors shared a character ability ranking for that time (the Scandal arc) and they decided to mark the difference between Irene when they use their weapons of woman and Irene, in a general way. As you can see, they used the image of the Bohemian king, who is a man, to illustrate "Irene in general".

When you look back at chapter 17, there is also this page :

"A man's handwriting"

Then look at all Irene's deguises before coming out as Bonde :

All are male. And as Albert specify it here :

So you've come here wearing a 'double' mask...

It implies that Irene choose to dress up as male, even when there weren't need for it, and those twice.

With this, even if it seems little, Albert could have deducted that Irene was confortable as a man, and those it could have lead to the "I give you my name : James"

(On the other side, I do agree with you that this scene could have been done better, as you said, with Bonde choosing their first name alone.)

Now, by giving them their name, he didn't ask them to cut their hair and he didn't tell them to be a man. Bonde choose, one again, to be male.

Contrary to what you think, I think the Empty Hearts proves even better than before that Bonde is a man and I felt like it was very respectful to their identity.

Chapter 60 : in the story, Cindrella dressed up as a princess for one night. She wasn't her real self.

When Sherlock says "I'm glad you haven't changed", Irene immediately corrected him by saying that Cindrella's magic works only for one night. To what Sherlock says he was talking about that part of them. Their personality. Who they really are, deep down, and not their appearance.

This is something Sherlock mention again in chapter 66 when Miss Hudson asked him about Bonde's identity :

Back to chapter 60, Monneypenny deguised as Bonde and everyone, keep telling that she is wrong at doing this, they feel uncomfortable with her. Which is something they weren't with Bonde. Who they accepted immediately, especially Fred.

No one ever doubt Bonde's manhood (besides Moran in chapter 24) no one ever said Bonde was a woman. But that man pointed it out about Monneypenny.

She is a woman. She "fakes" what she is doing. Bonde doesn't. They doesn't need to fake something they are, just as with their handwriting. They are special.

You said Bonde doesn't look happy with being a man and I totally disagree with you. For me they look very happy to "not be into a mold"

As for the role phrase, if you know it's a mistranslation, why keep mentioning it?

You say it doesn't make great difference, but it does.

Bonde playing a role and Bonde wanting to be helpful to the organisation doesn't mean the same. Don't forget that if Bonde joined them, it’s because they do agree with their ideal and therefore wants to help them to fulfil their shared wish.

Playing a role was something Bonde were doing their whole life. They were making use of their female body to get what they want, to fulfil their wish for a better world. That's by playing a woman that they managed to beat Sherlock, because Sherlock is a great misogynist and that’s why he underestimated them. That's also why Irene using women weapons is mentionned higher than Irene in the general way.

I think you are being very petty when you say Bonde's abilities to fight weren't shown before becoming a man. Yes it wasn’t, but nothing has ever shown otherwise. Also, did they even need to fight that way before?

I don't understand your point where you say Bonde wasn’t nervous before the Moriarty met with Mycroft. They were nervous.

That being said, I have no right to tell you how to think, nor pushing my opinion on you. If you felt hurt by how Bonde is portray I can’t change your feelings even if I know many don't feel that way but I'm sure the author's intention wasn't meant to be hurtful. But that’s delicate subjects where it's easy to hurt someone's sensibility. I am personally satisfied with the way Bonde is portrayed. I think it's cool that he's a man but doesn't mind putting on a dress once in a while (I guess you haven't read the novels , but in one Bonde was disguised as a woman too in order to help a girl. By the way I recommend the novels because it corrects many of the "flaws" you criticize the manga of) because what matter is not how they looks like, if they wear pants or dress, but what matter is who they are.

As an end note, I know some people from the fandom has been hassering you (and I absolutely don't defend them!) but that’s not the majority. I was talking about the majority like me that doesn't even interact with others fans, just scrolling thought tags, looking at pretty fanarts and enjoying what people say about the manga.

(Fyi, it’s not a side blog, I didn't have any blog to begin with)

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