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YOU! YES YOU! STOP SCROLLING, LOOK!

My son eepy.

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(Pointing to the sky) IF NOBODY GOT ME, I KNOW SEAHORSE DADS GOT ME!

Shout-out to seahorse dads

coming across the occasional "What if men could get pregnant" post and one person says "what about trans men" and 99% of the comments were about how that doesnt count apparently. Okay then 😒

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Is it ok to make the joke if talking about ridding the world of exorsexists? Cuz like... Those are the demons, the bigots are demons, not my siblings I love my siblings.

people making exorcism jokes are going to be blocked from now on. you're not original, you're the 1000000th person making this joke, and usually derailing conversations. you're exorsexist. every bit of nonbinary language being turned into a joke is literally part of the problem. let us finally just exist and speak.

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Discussion Shorthand TMDP/TWDP

I dislike using the words male and female to refer to sex traits because it misgenders trans people with those sex traits. And I also just don't believe in "biological sexes" to begin with.

TMDP (Typical Mullarian Developmental Pathway)- referring to typical/perisex development of characteristics such as breasts, vulva, uterus, ovaries, etc.

Examples of people with TMDP

(perisex) cis women

(perisex) trans men

some (perisex) nonbinary people.

TWDP (Typical Wolffian Developmental Pathway)- referring to typical/perisex development of characteristics such as facial hair, penis, scrotum, testicles, prostate, etc.

Examples of people with TWDP

(perisex) cis men

(perisex) trans women

some (perisex) nonbinary people.

What if someone has neither TWDP or TMDP traits? They are intersex.

This exists for the purpose of talking about anatomy/medical needs as well as for the purpose of explaining how intersex variations differ from perisex sex traits without using the words male/female, as just using those terms further reinforces the coupling of gender and sex traits. I believe all sex traits should be completely decoupled from gender.

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Always found it weird how we focus on that "non men/non women" idea over the fact that multi gender people aren't cis. pls correct me if that assumption is wrong but by large you're not entirely or always cis if at all?

Like there's a reason cis men that are entirely attracted to women aren't really welcome in lesbian spaces, because they're by large cishet.

I think this stuff becomes a lot more messy when it comes to any genderqueer people, even single gender people because it's incredibly difficult to communicate an internal feeling to others, and nobody owes someone else an explanation for being themselves.

Ah how I yearn for the day where people can talk about multigender & genderfluid people existing in gay + lesbian spaces without degendering us

"well multigender/genderfluid people can be gay/lesbian because they count as non women/ non men!"

A lot of us don't. Multigender just means being more than 1 gender. Genderfluid just means having a gender that changes/isn't static. Both of said categories can include various combinations of being a man, being a woman, and even being both! Plenty of us are not 'non men' or 'non women'.

There are gay multigender & genderfluid people who are also women. There are lesbian multigender & genderfluid people who are also men. There's multigender & genderfluid people who are dating gays/lesbians while not being 'non women'/'non men'.

Stop erasing our actual genders to try to make us fit into the idea of what you think we should be.

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Privilege afforded to us is often conditional based on:

Whiteness, cis passing, being skinny, not being visibly queer, having the opportunity for early transition (often tied to wealth) and being stealth.

I listed whiteness first, because western male privilege is heavily focused on it, male privilege is a piece meal experience, access to it is not always 100% even with white men unless they're wealthy, able bodied, traditionally masculine, ect.

The "man" in a vacuum, where all other aspects are taken away with nothing else to describe him besides "man", definitely is privileged in a patriarchal society, but aspects of us intertwine in the beautiful dance of the human experience.

Queerness in it's existence is "deviant" to the patriarchy, even more so when it's genderqueerness, a genderqueer man, to the system that hopes to subjugate anyone other than cishet able bodied men, isn't a "real man".

A trans man, as long as he's white and still has capacity for pregnancy, to the patriarchy, is an "asset to be recaptured", his manhood isn't recognized as real, when the "worth" (in this case fertility) is lost, things shift, though his manhood remains unacknowledged.

In turn, the patriarchy wants to establish that trans women aren't "real women" on the basis of lacking the capacity for pregnancy, but it also refuses to treat them as "real men" due to their "deviancy" in being trans and embracing their truth.

It is incredible you can say that trans women and fems have voiced frustration over dismissal of transmisogyny they faced, while also ignoring the fact trans men and mascs have voiced frustration over not having the space to talk about misogyny we still face (despite not being women) without being told to uplift trans women or being told that we don't experience that.

(And to be clear I focused on whiteness earlier because it is a huge part of the way male privilege is considered.)

the experience of trans individuals, regardless of agab, varies so dramatically that to claim trans fems/women suffer more than trans mascs/men only demonstrates an extreme lack of care for the stories of trans men/mascs

stop acting like the experiences of trans mascs are less important. it is absurdly wrong and weirdly discriminatory

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"Easier to pass" hm yes its totally easy for me to compress my tits into a flat thing without suffocating myself, yup. The uniboob totally doesn't make me clockier, the fact I can't readjust my tits in the binder without it feeling uncomfortable or going back to the uniboob if I do anything is totally making passing easier!

yes binders are a pain, because you either feel like you can't breathe, or don't get the desired effect. Unless you have a tiny bust then you're kinda fucked. I'm convinced models for the generic cheap binders (from brands that aren't made by trans people) are A cups or smthn

And bottom surgery?? Who is gonna notice that... Like that doesn't make passing easier at all...

Never mind anyone who isn't American or British! Right the polish man living in Poland is totally getting the easy way- nevermind doctor waits are months at a time in some cases, and there's high odds of any regular doctor not knowing what a trans person is. nevermind gyno care actually.

(I'm glad adding to ur post did stuff.)

hey hi so once again i want to start this post by saying im a transfemme

i am SICK and TIRED of seeing so much hate for trans men everywhere. obviously im in a lot more transfem spaces than transmasc spaces but the amount of times ive seen a trans woman belittle a trans men because their struggles "arent as bad" or are "less severe" than ours are terrible

like yeah, maybe trans women are a bigger topic of discussion in media, but that doesnt mean that trans men are doing better compared to us

i see it ALL. THE. TIME. and the same people who are asking for equality and just being recognized for their gender? theyre the SAME PEOPLE saying trans men have it better, witch is by definition, NOT EQUALITY!!!

this pisses me off so much and im not even a trans man!!! next time someone wants to add their own two cents about trans men on your post about women, they shouldnt get shit for it and you as atrana woman DEFINITELY shouldnt GIVE shit for it

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Ppl whine about transmascs derailing posts and fail to realize... Maybe we are just sick and tired of erasure even from within circles that are meant to uplift us?

"trans men are men because they make everything about themselves" has been a bullshit line because people refuse to acknowledge we are never getting the chance to speak. "I want more theory made by transmascs!"

And when that happens they refuse to uplift it.

I've seen ppl on bsky say that "this is too broad because it includes too many groups" to then whine and say I'm "excluding trans women" when I narrow it down to "trans men, transmascs and people rejecting imposed cishetero-normative womanhood" is what I said then, not word for word but p close I think. EXCLUDING FROM WHAT??? THE WORD USED TO DESCRIBE OPPRESSION PRIMARILY AFFECTING TRANS MEN AND MASCS AND ANY GNC AFAB PERSON?? Because I apparently can't hope to include non-masc ID'd genderqueer people while trying to step away from AGAB language because I'm either not including trans women enough, or including them in something that according to the tfr group isnt something they can experience. and just including butch cis women in it also is a no-no apparently.

And ppl don't seem to get it when I say terms exclusive to a group fall apart when you realize the loudest and most dangerous bigots are so delusional (for a lack of a better word) with their perception of the world they won't care what their target is. A cudgel is a cudgel, and they'll swing how they like to, at any "deviant"

I'm just mcfucking losing it, I can't write what I think theory wise because I'm just not "doing it right" or doing "MRA shit but woke" or I try to use too many words because I sure love being autistic with a severe need to over explain to minimize misunderstandings yet also being someone who struggles to word what I mean properly and absorb written information which means I can't as easily go through feminist works and learn as easily as most people.

I'm very tired, very angry, I still can't get on T and remain clocky, but sure I'm privileged because I'm totally always seen as a man and the BS I was told during my ASD diagnosis road wasn't real and I'm totally a hysterical femoid I mean trender I mean theyfab I mean tboy and just about a hair away from declaring the theory sphere of trans circles as a waste of time.

hey hi so once again i want to start this post by saying im a transfemme

i am SICK and TIRED of seeing so much hate for trans men everywhere. obviously im in a lot more transfem spaces than transmasc spaces but the amount of times ive seen a trans woman belittle a trans men because their struggles "arent as bad" or are "less severe" than ours are terrible

like yeah, maybe trans women are a bigger topic of discussion in media, but that doesnt mean that trans men are doing better compared to us

i see it ALL. THE. TIME. and the same people who are asking for equality and just being recognized for their gender? theyre the SAME PEOPLE saying trans men have it better, witch is by definition, NOT EQUALITY!!!

this pisses me off so much and im not even a trans man!!! next time someone wants to add their own two cents about trans men on your post about women, they shouldnt get shit for it and you as atrana woman DEFINITELY shouldnt GIVE shit for it

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"uhm I don't trust any intersex person on social media actually. because all of them hate trans women. this is a totally normal thing to say about an opressed group"

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I've spent too much really digesting all the bullshit of that sort so ig I both do not care to mince words nor care how "controversial" I might seem.

So hot semi related take:

As shit as the socialization theory is (with how its been used as a cudgel), there's a grain of actual occurrence buried inside. Because yes people are socialized to see the "female bodied" (for a lack of a better word rn) as lesser, and as an object, but it's Not a gender specific thing, and all of it is stemmed in cishetero-normative ideas. It doesn't account for queerness or genderqueerness.

(tangent below, talk of working thru the mindset ppl around try to subconsciously implant, unrelated but felt like including, lmk if I should remove it)

I've been internally trying to work through the mindset others have implanted in my head as a kid; the mindset being that I'm good only as an object for sexual gratification.

my opinions, interests, or "personhood" are "lesser" because of natal body parts I was born with, to the people that denied me personhood or belonging, I was a toy.

And honestly I'm still not done! I still put too much value on my own sex appeal or sexualization. Entirely through personal writing, I hop between the "soft femme" (trans) man depiction of self, (the alternate style of dress perhaps being some cope about how I fear branching out in my clothing in fear of my gender being questioned) and the hyper-masc depiction that is sort of internally embracing what I want specifically.

something something people who hate trans men refuse to acknowledge that reproductive rights are a real risk factor to many, many trans men

something something people who can get pregnant (OVERALL THOSE OF WHICH PEOPLE ASSUME CAN GET PREGNANT/HAVE UTERUSES) are not listened to and constantly treated as hysteric imbeciles, and that applies to trans men in a way that seems multiplied

something something people who mistreat trans men start treating them like how women are treated as overreactive and dramatic and annoying

something something about the way trans men are essentially treated like "confused little ladies" by fellow trans people. something something its really weird and terrifying

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I feel like some (progressive) ppl didn't unlearn the "having a (natal) vag makes you lesser and a whiny femoid and none of your opinions are genuine, real, or worthwhile" that society teaches (to everyone mind u.) and instead of throwing it at cis women, they swapped to trans men because that target is """""acceptable"""""

something something people who hate trans men refuse to acknowledge that reproductive rights are a real risk factor to many, many trans men

something something people who can get pregnant (OVERALL THOSE OF WHICH PEOPLE ASSUME CAN GET PREGNANT/HAVE UTERUSES) are not listened to and constantly treated as hysteric imbeciles, and that applies to trans men in a way that seems multiplied

something something people who mistreat trans men start treating them like how women are treated as overreactive and dramatic and annoying

something something about the way trans men are essentially treated like "confused little ladies" by fellow trans people. something something its really weird and terrifying

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Fun little thing to tell the next person who complains that Saint came up with transandrophobia. 

Margaret Sanger, the person who founded Planned Parenthood, bought into the idea of eugenics. Does that make PP less good, even when she was an active part of it? 

No? Then shut the fuck up about the “drama” around Saint because it has less to do with transandrophobia than Sanger’s beliefs surrounded eugenics and Planned Parenthood. 

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They'll also lose their shit when they realize access to "male privilege" requires white or white passing skin, early surgery and hrt, genetic luck (when binding) and privilege in the form of wealth.

the "trans men have male privilege" crowd are gonna lose their minds when they realize that some trans men get clocked as trans women and some trans women get clocked as trans men.

(dni if you're going to argue. also: eat shit)

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Hey op, I think u might've gotten lost in the sauce...

The tag is for the word that describes transmascs' and trans men's oppression; i.e. intersection of misogyny, transphobia and anti-transmasculine sentiments (primarily from cis people)

The tag is mostly filled with actual experiences and discussion, it doesn't mean "fear of trans men" like transphobia doesn't mean "fear of trans people"

Tbf I've seen some insane posts that ended up when searching the tag from people who like to throw a net and say "all people who use this word are (x)" (one example was "all transandrodorks are entitled to lesbians sexually") but those aren't regular things in the tag. I doomscroll the tag on the regular so trust me when I say, 95% of the vile shit you might find, is paraphrasing other people (repeating rhetoric to debunk it, ECT.) the other 5% is posts that are vile showing up thru mentioning the word in a long tag.

Coincidentally that happened to your post (it's not vile to be clear, but I mean it showed up cuz it mentions the word in a long tag)

Either way do what helps you keep going, hope u have a good day, man. (/Gen /pos /nm)

I’m gonna be real here for a sec, and you are going to either listen or shut up.

If you ever, EVER, tag your posts with “transandrophobia” I am blocking the fuck out of you.

You aren’t welcome here.

I, a trans guy who has depression, anxiety, and a bunch of other fucking shit that impacts my mental health, don’t like knowing that there’s a fucking FEAR OF ME SPECIFICALLY.

The shit you all put in that godforesaken tag is fucking insane, and I do not appreciate it.

On behalf of other trans men like me, who do not like making fun of myself or others like me:

Jokes are only funny if everyone is laughing.

I don’t care that some of you find it funny to shit on us like we’re trash or something less than human.

No one is a lesser being simply because they exist, and if you think that, I will make it a problem as it is not only transphobic to fear us, but a straight up fucking hatred of a whole group of people who didn’t do anything wrong. Fuck. You.

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ok also not an american- and i'll be real, i thought "uppity" was another term for like... brat...

but maybe that's cuz my first proper exposure to the word was kink related-

Posts something transphobic and racist Is called transphobic and racist Blocks me

Every. Fucking. Time.

These cowardly transandrophobes can't take criticism and only want people to back up their bigoted views to make them feel better about being hateful wastes of skin.

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outside of the land down under, i think the other time i dont find cunt to be insulting is... specifically in terms like "they served cunt" as it's usually in positive connotation.

if anyone ever calls me a cuntboy i am replying with "ok? either pay for my phalloplasty or fuck off?" cuz like... why do they care??

what really gets me abt ppl who gleefully call trans men cuntboys is that they probably dont call cis women cunts lol. in most places, sans like australia, cunt is the most misogynistic sexist shit you can call someone, particularly someone viewed as female. it's meant to be sexually demeaning, thats the point

even if you want to punch up or whatever, why is it always transmascs and trans men that you want to direct your ire towards, and why use such horrifically misogynistic and sexist language anyway?

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everybody has [hormones] it came free with your fucking [body] also the human body has both E and T and last time i checked, things get fucky if you try to completely replace one with the other.

One of the reasons why we shouldn't talk about estrogen as the "girl hormone" and testosterone as the "boy hormone" (other than the fact that they are literally not) is that some intersex transmascs/men are on estrogen and some intersex transfems/women are on testosterone and they shouldn't get constantly misgendered because of it. Like sure, memes can funny for some people, but also let's make sure we don't internalize that concept as true or accept it as the true and only way to transition or exist as a trans person.