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is-wonder-mainline-yet · 27 days ago

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A certain paragraph caught my attention in the recent Super Mario edition of TIME Magazine:

Considering game sales alone, the Mario video game franchise has sold more than 900 million units worldwide across more than 200 games, making it the best-selling video game franchise of all time. The primary Super Mario series has sold more than 495 million copies worldwide.

The article (Still Super After All These Years, by Courtney Mifsud Intreglia) clearly distinguishes the sales of the Mario video game franchise and the primary Super Mario series. And since an actual number was provided, this implies it's based on some list of games. Where did this number come from? Did the author source it from somewhere, or does TIME keep an official list of mainline Super Mario games? It's likely the former from what I've found, but the probable source does have some interesting inclusions! (Long post below the fold.)

The source

I'm pretty sure this number comes from the Video Game Sales Fandom Wiki page for Mario:

This wiki does provide a list of sources, in the form of a table totalling to 497,719,019 unit sales. Where this is the top result when Googling "Super Mario series sales" I have little doubt this is the source of the TIME article's claim. (To cover my bases, I confirmed that the summary text in the wiki was updated in August 2024, so it pre-dates the TIME article's release in March 2025.)

So, what games does this wiki article include as part of the mainline Super Mario series? Full list incoming, followed by some inclusions I find notable:

The list

Super Mario Bros. (NES, 1985)

Super Mario Bros. (Game & Watch, 1986)

VS. Super Mario Bros. / VS. Mario's Adventure (Arcade, 1986)

Super Mario All-Stars (SNES / Wii, 1993)

Super Mario Bros. DX (GBC, 1999)

Classic NES Series: Super Mario Bros. (GBA, 2004)

Super Mario Bros. (Wii (VC), 2006)

Super Mario Bros. (NES Classic Edition, 2016)

Super Mario Bros. 2 / The Lost Levels (FDS, 1986)

Yume Kōjō: Doki Doki Panic (FDS, 1987)

Super Mario Bros. 2 / Super Mario USA (NES, 1988)

Super Mario All-Stars (SNES / Wii, 1993)

Super Mario Bros. DX (GBC, 1999)

Super Mario Advance (GBA, 2001)

Famicom Mini Series: Super Mario Bros. 2 (GBA , 2004)

Super Mario Bros. 2 (NES Classic Edition, 2016)

Super Mario Bros. 3 (NES, 1988)

Super Mario All-Stars (SNES / Wii , 1993)

Super Mario Advance 4: Super Mario Bros. 3 (GBA , 2003)

Super Mario Bros. 3 (Wii (VC) , 2007)

Super Mario Bros. 3 (NES Classic Edition, 2016)

Super Mario Land (GB, 1989)

Super Mario Land (3DS (VC), 2011)

Super Mario World (SNES, 1990)

Super Mario Advance 2: Super Mario World (GBA, 2001)

Super Mario World (Wii (VC) , 2006)

Super Mario World (Super Mario All-Stars: 25th Anniversary Edition) (Wii, 2010)

Super Mario World (SNES Classic Edition, 2017)

Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins (GB, 1992)

Wario Land: Super Mario Land 3 (GB, 1994)

Super Mario All-Stars (SNES, 1993)

Super Mario All-Stars: 25th Anniversary Edition (Wii, 2010)

Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island (SNES, 1995)

Super Mario Advance 3: Yoshi's Island (GBA, 2002)

Super Mario 64 (N64, 1996)

Super Mario 64 DS (NDS, 2004)

Super Mario 64 (Wii (VC), 2006)

Super Mario 64 (Super Mario 3D All-Stars) (Switch, 2020)

Super Mario Sunshine (GCN, 2002)

Super Mario Sunshine (Super Mario 3D All-Stars) (Switch, 2020)

New Super Mario Bros. (NDS, 2006)

New Super Mario Bros. 2 (3DS, 2012)

Super Mario Galaxy (Wii, 2007)

Super Mario Galaxy (Super Mario 3D All-Stars) (Switch, 2020)

New Super Mario Bros. Wii (Wii, 2009)

Super Mario Galaxy 2 (Wii, 2010)

Super Mario 3D Land (3DS, 2011)

New Super Mario Bros. U (Wii U, 2012)

New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe (Switch, 2019)

New Super Luigi U (Wii U, 2013)

Super Mario 3D World (Wii U, 2013)

Super Mario 3D World + Bowser's Fury (Switch, 2021)

Super Mario Maker (Wii U, 2015)

Super Mario Maker for Nintendo 3DS (3DS, 2016)

Super Mario Run (Mobile, 2016)

Super Mario Odyssey (Switch, 2017)

Super Mario Maker 2 (Switch, 2019)

Super Mario 3D All-Stars (Switch, 2020)

Super Mario Bros. Wonder (Switch, 2023)

how many Super Mario games are there (according to this specific wiki article)?

While each game is listed in its own line in the table, this doesn't necessarily mean the wiki is suggesting there are 59 distinct Super Mario games. The table groups reissues into 20 categories, which seems reasonable given that the goal is to count sales of specific versions. So, is it saying there are exactly 20 games? ...probably not.

It doesn't seem like every category is meant to represent a distinct game. (Why are Super Mario Lands 2 and 3 in the same category, but Super Mario Land is in its own category?) In any case, the final category includes the last 5 games on the above list. I really doubt anyone seriously thinks Super Mario Run and Super Mario Odyssey are the same game, and that both are reissues of a game called "Later games"

So, still no idea. Probably more than 20.

Notable inclusions and exclusions

The second item on the list, in the same category as Super Mario Bros. (NES, 1985) is Super Mario Bros (Game & Watch, 1986). Guess it's mainline after all!

Game & Watch: Super Mario Bros. (2020) is not included, though, nor is the Super Mario Bros. Nelsonic Game Watch (1989).

This list includes Doki Doki Panic as its own game in the Super Mario Bros. 2 category. That's pretty fun.

Both Wario Land and Yoshi's Island are in there, though not any of the sequels in their respective sub-series.

New Super Mario Bros. U, U Deluxe, and New Super Luigi U are all included, but not New Super Mario Bros. U + New Super Luigi U.

Looking through the edit history it appears that Super Mario Bros. Wonder was added to the list of mainline games on June 25, 2023, 117 days before it was released. (No sales data at that time, of course.) Fandom user MarioFanYT is more on the ball than whoever runs the official Mario website

Wait, why are there multiples of some games?

You might have noticed that some games are counted more than once in the above list. Super Mario 3D All-Stars shows up 4 times! This happens because the table places compilations of games into the categories for each game it contains, as well as in its own category. So 3D All-Stars is counted as part of the subtotals for Super Mario 64, Sunshine, Galaxy, and in its own row. Other compilations work similarly.

It seems weird to count each sale of 3D All-Stars as four separate game sales, but maybe the wiki accounts for that in the total. If that were the case, you'd expect the Grand Total to be less than the sum of the separate subtotals, and that is indeed the case.

Sum of subtotals: 515,759,019

Grand Total: 497,719,019

It looked like it might be removing the duplicates, but after looking at it myself in a spreadsheet I get a value of 438,669,019 sales when duplicates are removed. Digging a little deeper, I found a mistake in the wiki's subtotal for Super Mario 3D World, which sums the Wii U game's 5,880,000 with the Switch's 13,470,000 to get only 19,050,000, which loses 300k sales somewhere. This still doesn't account for the difference in my results, but suggests there may be other errors in the wiki's.

It's possible I've made a mistake somewhere, but I haven't been able to get that 497.7 million count with any changes to what I do or don't count as a duplicate.

Conclusions?

This post was originally going to be just a screenshot of the magazine article and a little blurb like "I wonder what games TIME Magazine considers to be mainline?" It's ballooned out from there a little bit. I'm not sure if there's any real conclusions to be drawn.

Should Courtney Mifsud Intreglia have put the same work into fact-checking that "495 million sales" number that I did, correcting it to "over 438 million"? Uh, no, definitely not. The rest of her article is a broad overview of Mario's cultural impact, and the precise sales figure is not relevant to the article's point. Besides, the idea of trying to define how many mainline Mario games have been sold requires defining how many mainline Mario games exist (which is senseless, 'cause there's no consensus) so any number in the article would have been subject to interpretation.

Do I have some call-to-action for the Video Game Sales Wiki? Not really. In general, I am not very invested in the accurate reporting of video game sales on a Fandom wiki. Maybe I'll edit the page myself if I still care by tomorrow. (By the way, the Super Mario Wiki article on Super Mario (franchise) cites a 330 million unit sales figure, but that's from a 2015 blog post by Nintendo so it would be out of date in 2025.)

Mostly, I'm just trying to document the rabbit hole I've been falling down for the last 5 hours or so today, and this blog seems like a good place to put it. I've been thinking of making more posts documenting "in the wild" lists of mainline Super Mario games, but it'll depend on whether there's enough out there that I find interesting enough to post. In any case, I probably won't be making many more posts of this length - sorry if you only followed for the daily timeline posts and weren't expecting a wall of text!

For anyone who's read the whole thing (or even skimmed it), I hope you enjoyed it at least partly as much as I had fun putting it together!

#not timeline #long post #unofficial mainline lists

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ghostie-the-inkpot · 6 days ago

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I've been on a hunt recently for good superhero media that isn't in either the Marvel, or DC universes. I love DC, and I am an occasional fan of some marvel stuff, but as a fan of the superhero genre, it's kind of exhausting to try to look for media to watch, and only find the latest Marvel or DC movie/show, with pretty much no other options. They have essentially taken over the entire genre at this point and it's pretty annoying.

I'm just sharing my frustration with this, as well as hoping to get some good recommendations, and maybe recommend some to others. (please do not recommend anything to do with the movie Split 2016) These are the non-DC non-Marvel things I've already seen:

Danny Phantom (My favorite media of all time)

The Incredibles (Both of them. Probably my favorite superhero movies ever.)

Hancock 2008 (great movie)

Fast Color 2018 (I watched this one recently and it was AMAZING. There was supposed to be a sequel and a tv series but neither got made 😭😭)

Hellboy 2004, Hellboy Golden Army 2008 (Very good)

Ben 10, like every season of all the shows. So good.

Generator Rex 2010 (GREATEST OF ALL TIME HOLY SHIT I LOVE THIS SHOW SO MUCH)

Big Hero 6, 2014 (LOVE this one. Technically owned by Marvel, but literally the only thing connecting this movie to marvel is the silly post-credit Stan Lee cameo)

My Hero Academia, and the Vigilantes manga (I love this anime so much. It has its problems but it and the vigilantes manga both hold a special place in my heart. Sidenote, i have not seen the vigilantes anime yet, i do plan to)

Mob Psycho 100 (I LOVE THIS ANIME SO MUCH OH MY G O D. Mob is an autistic icon and Reigen is an absolute legend and a very good dad to his weird little apprentice)

Sky High 2005 (Fantastic, a little silly but I love it anyway. Apparently there was a sequel for this planned as well as a tv series, but both were cancelled 😭 we were robbed)

Zoom 2006 (Meh, The premise was good but the execution was kind of terrible)

Lab Rats 2016 (pretty good, really funny, Leo carried the whole show. I was always confused as to why they just glossed over the fact that the dad raised his three children in confined, isolated pods in his basement....)

Astro Boy 2009 (MY FAVORITE MOVIE EVER IN THE WHOLE WORLD.)((I have also seen every other Astro boy media I could find; Pluto and A:TB are my favorites and I wish they would release the english translation of a:tb faster.))

Pretty much all versions of the TMNT (I know, technically marvel universe but they're so far removed from that, barely anyone even knows they're a daredevil parody)

Megamind 2010 (We all bow before the greatness of this movie)

Epithet Erased 2019 (I adore this one, and I've read the follow up novel as well. Highly recommend)

Monsters vs. Aliens 2009 (Love this one)

Cybersix 1999 (AMAZING 10/10 EXTREMELY QUEER AMAZING ANIMATION)

Green Hornet 2011, (Funny, pretty good movie)

The Mask 1994 (LOVE this one. The entire plot basically brings to life the Superhero Mask Effect, where your "true personality" is let loose when you have the anonymity of a mask and superpowers. 10/10)

Invincible series 2021 (LOVE THIS ONE)

Hanna 2019 (Technically not really "superhero" more "superpower" but it has an absolutely amazing story and the best soundtrack ever)

The Umbrella Academy (I love this one but not a huge amount)

All of the Sonic the Hedgehog movies, and most of the cartoons. (Fuckin obsessed with this little blue boy and his orange baby brother)

Honorable mentions: Most of the live action transformers movies, bumblebee was my favorite(and Transformers One), All of the spykids movies, Flubber, Scott pilgrim (movie and show) and Inspector gaget.

I've probably seen more that I'm not remembering, but this is most of them. I've tried watching both Kickass and The Boys, and didn't like either one. Hopefully someone can find this list useful. I should to try to put together a more thorough list of non-DC/Marvel media.

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ultimate-anime-tournament · 2 years ago

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Ultimate Anime Tournament: Round 2, Matchup 15

#my hero academia #bnha #ouran high school host club #polls #round 2

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drarryspecificrecs · 5 months ago

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Lights Camera Drarry 2023 : (fics only)

@lcdrarry || official masterpost (1) (2) || AO3 || stats : 44 works The Mod(s) : @celilasart Banner © :

@honeyrinee's afternoon snooze 🎬 How to Train Your Dragon (2010)

@quail-in-red's Don’t Worry, He’s Got This (x) 🎬 Legally Blonde (2001)

@fantalfart's Love Sees All Light (x) 🎬 Love is Blind series (2020~)

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0 + 0 = 1 by @albuss-s [G, 2k] 🎬 Taskmaster (game show, 2015~)

A Boesky, A Jim Brown, and the biggest Leon Spinks ever. by @tsundanire [T, 12k] 🎬 Ocean's Eleven (2001)

The Breakfast Club by @peachpety [T, 7k] 🎬 The Breakfast Club (1985)

Brighton by @jadedandconfusedao3 [E, 24k] 🎬 Black Mirror series (2011~): San Junipero (2016)

The Decision by @murder-grandma [M, 5k] 🎬 Fleabag series (2016~2019)

Deep Dive by @chxrlieweaslxy [G, 13k] 🎬 Heartstopper series (2022~)

A Different Kind Of Attention by @cluelesspigeons [M, 10k] 🎬 Yuri!!! on ICE (anime, 2016)

Do I Know You? by @use-it-well [E, 13k] 🎬 Buffy the Vampire Slayer series (1997~2003): Tabula Rasa

Double Trouble by @multiverse-of-fanfic [E, 57k] 🎬 Alias series (2001~2006)

The Dying of the Light by @chamomileteafuel [E, 20k] 🎬 Dead Like Me series (2003~2004)

Harry Potter vs. the World by @luxuriousmalfoy [T, 13k] 🎬 Scott Pilgrim (2010)

Hole to Feed by @newskyillusion [E, 34k] 🎬 The Menu (2022)

I Couldn't Love You More by @ladderofyears [M, 73k] 🎬 P.S. I Love You (2007)

Let it in by @deliciousblizzardshark [T, 11k] 🎬 Cherry Magic! Thirty years of virginity can make you a wizard?! (live-action, 2020)

A Mist That Appears (For a Little Time) by @dodgerkedavra [E, 22k] 🎬 Sweet November (2001)

Of Stars in Infinite Universes by @lilywinterwood [T, 21k] 🎬 Everything Everywhere All At Once (2022)

Peep Show by @kbrick [E, 10k] 🎬 Friends series (1994~2004)

The Piano by @orange-peony [E, 37k] 🎬 The Piano (1993)

see the steeple (trace to the spire) by @hanniballevter [E, 33k] 🎬 God's Own Country (2017)

This Life Now by @nerdherderette [M, 38k] --- ART by @seanchaidh7 🎬 Sweet Home Alabama (2002)

Through His Eyes (I Am Set Free) by @shewhomustnotbenamed [E, 134k] 🎬 In Your Eyes (2014)

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✔ other fests in 2023 ✔ fests in other years ✔ Lights Camera Drarry : 2022 | 2021 | 2020 | 2019

#drarry #drarry fanfic #drarry fic rec #harry potter #draco malfoy #masterlist #2023

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petrerpkr · 7 months ago

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Scott & Jean comic reading order

Comic timeline & reading order + here

2000-2024

Scott

X-Men First Class(2007)

X-Men Season One(2012)

X-Men Origins – Cyclops(2010)

Cyclops (2001)

New X-Men(2001) #114-141

X-Men (2004) #157 -174

X-Men: Phoenix – Endsong (2005)

X-Men: Phoenix – Warsong (2006)

Young X-men (2008)

Astonishing X-Men Vol. 3 (2004)

X-Men: Endangered Species(2007)

X-Men : Messiah Complex(2007)/reading order

X-Men : Messiah War(2009)/reading order

Avengers/X-Men: Utopia(2009)/Utopia

Nation X (2010)/reading order

X-Men : Second Coming/reading order (2010)

Uncanny X-Men #534.1; 535–539 (2011)

Uncanny X-Men #540–544(2011)

Uncanny X-Men (vol. 2) #1 -10(2012)

X-Men: Prelude to Schism(2011)

X men Schism(2011)/reading order

Avengers vs. X-Men + AvX: Consequences /reading order

Uncanny X-Men Vol. 3 (2013)

All-New X-Men (2013)

Battle of the Atom

Cyclops Vol. 3 (2014)

Death of X #1 (2016) +

inhumans Vs X-Men

All-New X-Men Vol. 2 (2016)

Champions Vol. 2 (2016)

X-Men: Blue (2017)

X-Men: Gold #13 #14 #15

Phoenix Resurrection: The Return of Jean Grey (2018)

Uncanny X-Men v5 .Annual 1(2019)+ Uncanny X-Men #11 to #22(2019)

X-Men (2019)

House of x/power of x

X-Men by Jonathan Hickman Omnibus

X-Men (2024)

Jean

Phoenix Saga (1976) – X-Men #101-108

Dark Phoenix Saga (1980) – X-Men #129-137

New X-Men #114 -154(2001)

X-Men: Phoenix Endsong + Phoenix warsong (2005) &(2006)

All-New X-Men (2013)

Battle of the Atom

The Trial of Jean Grey

All-New X-Men Vol. 2 (2016)

Inhumans vs. X-Men

X-Men: Blue (2017)

Jean Grey (2017)

Generations: Phoenix & Jean Grey (2017)

Phoenix Resurrection: The Return of Jean Grey (2018)

X-Men: Red (2018)

X-Force (2019)

Giant-Size X-Men: Jean Grey & Emma Frost

Wolverine (2020) #1 #2 #17 #20

X-Men (2019-2024)

Hellfire Gala (2022-2023)

Immortal X-Men (2022)

Uncanny X-Men vol 5 (2019)

House of x (2019)/power of x (2019)

X-Force (2020)

Cable (2020)

X-Men: The Trial of Magneto (2021)

Dark Web (2022)

Dark Web: X-Men (2022)

Original X-Men (2023)

Jean Grey (2023)

X-Men: Forever (2024)

Fall of the House of X/Rise of the Powers of X(2024)

Phoenix (2024)

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biomic · 10 months ago

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Hi! Which subs groups do you recommend for Super Sentai, old and new?

[EDIT: Updating this into a cleaner format]

If a sub group appears in brackets [like this] after the name of another group, it's because they've re-released the existing subs onto higher quality video, typically blu-ray, usually with other minor tweaks like typo and translation fixes. Not a major distinction if you just wanna watch a show, but something to keep in mind if you're looking for the highest quality release.

Himitsu Sentai Goranger (1975) - Thunder King Productions JAKQ Dengekitai (1977) - Metallic Fansubs Battle Fever J (1979) - Berndadelta Subs

Denshi Sentai Denziman (1980) - Berndadelta Subs Taiyo Sentai Sun Vulcan (1981) - Gao Soul Forever! [Zichz Scrubs] Dai Sentai Goggle V (1982) - Metallic Fansubs Kagaku Sentai Dynaman (1983) - Metallic Fansubs Choudenshi Bioman (1984) - Grown Ups in Spandex (GUIS) Dengeki Sentai Changeman (1985) - Thunder King Productions Choushinsei Flashman (1986) - Metallic Fansubs Hikari Sentai Maskman (1987) - Grown Ups in Spandex (GUIS) Choujuu Sentai Liveman (1988) - Grown Ups in Spandex (GUIS) Kousoku Sentai Turboranger (1989) - Wandering Moonbeams

Chikyu Sentai Fiveman (1990) - SXIG Choujin Sentai Jetman (1991) - Grown Ups in Spandex (GUIS) Kyoryu Sentai Zyuranger (1992) - Grown Ups in Spandex (GUIS) Gosei Sentai Dairanger (1993) - HoN & Hikari-Senshi Ninja Sentai Kakuranger (1994) - Grown Ups in Spandex (GUIS) Chouriki Sentai Ohranger (1995) - Millionfold Curiosity Gekisou Sentai Carranger (1996) - HaroRangers Denji Sentai Megaranger (1997) - Millionfold Curiosity Seijuu Sentai Gingaman (1998) - Millionfold Curiosity Kyukyu Sentai GoGoV (1999) - Imagination Station

Mirai Sentai Timeranger (2000) - Over-Time + TV-Nihon * Hyakujuu Sentai Gaoranger (2001) - Gao Soul Forever! Ninpuu Sentai Hurricaneger (2002) - Shushutto Subs Bakuryu Sentai Abaranger (2003) - Imagination Station Tokusou Sentai Dekaranger (2004) - Over-Time Mahou Sentai Magiranger (2005) - tinyhenshin subs GoGo Sentai Boukenger (2006) - Earthly Subs Juken Sentai Gekiranger (2007) - Earthly Subs Engine Sentai Go-Onger (2008) - Earthly Subs Samurai Sentai Shinkenger (2009) - Over-Time

Tensou Sentai Goseiger (2010) - Millionfold Curiosity Kaizoku Sentai Gokaiger (2011) - Over-Time [Pocket Universe] Tokumei Sentai Go-Busters (2012) - Over-Time [NonActionableFansubs] Zyuden Sentai Kyoryuger (2013) - Over-Time [OZC-Live] Ressha Sentai ToQger (2014) - Over-Time [OZC-Live] Shuriken Sentai Ninninger (2015) - Over-Time [Pocket Universe] Doubutsu Sentai Zyuohger (2016) - Over-Time [OZC-Live] Uchuu Sentai Kyuranger (2017) - Over-Time [OZC-Live] Kaitou Sentai Lupinranger VS Keisatsu Sentai Patranger (2018) - Over-Time [OZC-Live] Kishiryu Sentai Ryusoulger (2019) - Over-Time [OZC-Live + Zichz Scrubs] **

Mashin Sentai Kiramager (2020) - Over-Time [Zichz Scrubs] Kikai Sentai Zenkaiger (2021) - Over-Time [Zichz Scrubs] Avataro Sentai Donbrothers (2022) - Over-Time [Zichz Scrubs] Ohsama Sentai King-Ohger (2023) - Over-Time [Zichz Scrubs] Bakuage Sentai Boonboomger (2024) - Over-Time No.1 Sentai Gozyuger (2025) - Over-Time

EXTRAS/SPIN-OFFS Hikonin Sentai Akibaranger (2012 - 2013) - Over-Time [OZC-Live] Dino Force Brave/Kyoryuger Brave (2017) - Shushutto Subs Super Sentai Strongest Battle (2019) - Over-Time [NonActionableFansubs] The High School Heroes (2021) - oidesunshines *** Shout Factory has also officially released every season from Fiveman through Abaranger, all of which are streaming on Tubi if that's available in your region. That being said, the quality of pretty much all their Sentai releases leave a lot to be desired so it's hard to recommend them. This post is a good breakdown of their issues. * - While Over-Time is always my go-to, they were unable to complete Timeranger before it was licensed by Shout Factory, stopping at episode 32. If you don't mind switching sub groups halfway through, OT is the best option for those episodes. That being said, while I typically prefer other groups, I watched Timeranger in its entirety through TV-Nihon's release, and they did good work on it. ** - OZC-Live only released the first 24 episodes of Ryusoulger, while Zichz Scrubs picked up where they left off a few years later. They're both sourced from the blu-rays and use Over-Time's subs as a base, so there's no noticeable difference between the two. *** - oidesunshines only released The High School Heroes via their twitter so it's a bit awkward to seek out, but aside from name searching the show on their page, you can also find it on the Internet Archive.

#anonymous #asks #kendrix morgan died for our sins #super sentai for ts

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queermasculine · 1 year ago

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Do you have any butch resources (like reading materials) for transmasculine people that are unsure if they're comfortable IDing as a man vs a butch? Besides Stone Butch Blues (it just gets recommended in every list I already know about it) Trying to figure stuff out...

leslie feinberg has other books besides SBB that you could check out, like drag king dreams (2006), which has a special place in my own heart... but if you're all full on feinberg, another author whose work explores the intersection of butchness and transness would be ivan coyote. really dug their memoir tomboy survival guide (2016) for an example. that one exists in audiobook form too, narrated by the author themself. real pleasant voice on that guy!

neither book is necessarily directly about figuring out whether you're a butch or a man, but maybe they'll help you along in that process anyway. both books made me cry & made me feel very seen as a transmasculine butch personally. if anybody else has any recommendations or insight, i'm sure anon would appreciate it!

but at the end of the day, if you really can't choose between man and butch, you can just be both. you'd be surprised with the amount of guys out there who are both.

#sometimes the human heart is not easily categorizable #mail

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arinavah · 1 year ago

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(sorry if someone has asked this before) when did you start drawing? :3

(warning: after reading your question I felt nostalgic and accidentally made a long-ass post about my whole art journey) As every kid I’ve been drawing from the very childhood, but everything became more serious when I started to attend local art classes in 2006 when I was 10y.o. I’ve been attending them for 7 years and here are drawings from the middle of that period when I was ~14y.o.

After graduation in 2013 I drew this and that occasionally but nothing serious, just doodling in sketchbooks during boring classes.

Around 2016 something happened with me: I discovered a lot of new art creators and bloggers, they had a huuuge influence on me, so after ~3 years of kinda artblock I finally felt a desire to create and started drawing like crazy. I could fill a whole sketchbook within a month, and is wasn’t just mindless doodling, I put effort in each page, imitating those art bloggers with pretty sketchbooks.

Then I started to learn how to draw digitally and it took me months to find normal brush and make something bearable.

And then around 2017-2018 I created my first art blog, in 2019 I started making merch and then in 2021 I quit my job and became self employed artist!

my first (2019) vs last (2023) artist alley

Soooooo it’s been 18 years!

#Ask #artist on tumblr

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noneedtofearorhope · 3 months ago

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so it turns out you gotta sign up to make a movie list quiz on that site everyones using? sure would have been nice to know before i spent like, 3 hours racking my brain trying to think of every movie ive seen. so i just copied the list i made there and will paste it under the cut below

1 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) 2 A Clockwork Orange (1971) 3 Soylent Green (1973) 4 Logan's Run (1976) 5 Star Wars (1977) 6 Alien (1979) 7 Star Trek: The Motion Picture (1979) 8 The Empire Strikes Back (1980) 9 Escape From New York (1981) 10 Heavy Metal (1981) 11 Mobile Suit Gundam I (1981) 12 Mobile Suit Gundam II: Soldiers of Sorrow (1981) 13 Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (1982) 14 Blade Runner (1982) 15 Mobile Suit Gundam III: Encounters in Space (1982) 16 Return of the Jedi (1983) 17 Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind (1984) 18 2010 (1984) 19 Dune (1984) 20 Star Trek III: The Search for Spock (1984) 21 The Terminator (1984) 22 Back to the Future (1985) 23 The Quiet Earth (1985) 24 Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home (1986) 25 Predator (1987) 26 Akira (1988) 27 They Live (1988) 28 Back to the Future Part II (1989) 29 Star Trek V: The Final Frontier (1989) 30 Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure (1989) 31 Back to the Future Part III (1990) 32 Edward Scissorhands (1990) 33 Slacker (1991) 34 Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey (1991) 35 Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country (1991) 36 Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991) 37 Braindead (1992) 38 Star Trek: Generations (1994) 39 Stargate (1994) 40 Goldeneye (1995) 41 Ghost in the Shell (1995) 42 Mars Attacks! (1996) 43 Star Trek: First Contact (1996) 44 Independence Day (1996) 45 Tomorrow Never Dies (1997) 46 The Fifth Element (1997) 47 The End of Evangelion (1997) 48 Contact (1997) 49 Men in Black (1997) 50 Dark City (1998) 51 The Truman Show (1998) 52 Godzilla (1998) 53 The Faculty (1998) 54 Spriggan (1998) 55 Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace (1999) 56 The World Is Not Enough (1999) 57 The Matrix (1999) 58 The Iron Giant (1999) 59 Bicentennial Man (1999) 60 Titan A.E. (2000) 61 Battlefield Earth (2000) 62 X-Men (2000) 63 Waking Life (2001) 64 Evolution (2001) 65 Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within (2001) 66 Cowboy Bebop: The Movie (2001) 67 Donnie Darko (2001) 68 28 Days Later (2002) 69 Reign of Fire (2002) 70 Men in Black II (2002) 71 Spider-Man (2002) 72 Signs (2002) 73 Resident Evil (2002) 74 Die Another Day (2002) 75 Lilo & Stitch (2002) 76 Star Trek: Nemesis (2002) 77 Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones (2002) 78 The Matrix Reloaded (2003) 79 The Matrix Revolutions (2003) 80 Freddy vs. Jason (2003) 81 The Animatrix (2003) 82 School of Rock (2003) 83 X2 (2003) 84 Hulk (2003) 85 The Day After Tomorrow (2004) 86 The Butterfly Effect (2004) 87 I, Robot (2004) 88 Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (2004) 89 Spider-Man 2 (2004) 90 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (2005) 91 War of the Worlds (2005) 92 Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children (2005) 93 Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (2005) 94 Click (2006) 95 A Scanner Darkly (2006) 96 V for Vendetta (2005) 97 I Am Legend (2007) 98 28 Weeks Later (2007) 99 Spider-Man 3 (2007) 100 Quarantine (2008) 101 District 9 (2009) 102 Watchmen (2009) 103 9 (2009) 104 Star Trek (2009) 105 Inception (2010) 106 Attack the Block (2011) 107 Prometheus (2012) 108 Her (2013) 109 Snowpiercer (2013) 110 Star Trek Into Darkness (2013) 111 Pacific Rim (2013) 112 Ender's Game (2013) 113 Interstellar (2014) 114 The Giver (2014) 115 Mad Max: Fury Road (2015) 116 Star Wars: The Force Awakens (2015) 117 Ex Machina (2015) 118 Arrival (2016) 119 Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (2016) 120 Star Wars: The Last Jedi (2017) 121 Blade Runner 2049 (2017) 122 Level 16 123 Solo: A Star Wars Story (2018) 124 Dune (2021) 125 The Matrix Resurrections (2021) 126 Everything Everywhere All at Once (2022) 127 Godzilla Minus One (2023)

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psychics4unet · 9 months ago

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100 Movies and TV Shows That Are All About Tarot Magic! 🔮✨📺

Movies

The Hunger Games (2012) - Katniss’s journey is like a tarot reading on steroids; choices and fate collide in a dystopian arena where survival is everything. 🎯

The Craft (1996) - A classic teen witch flick where tarot helps our girls explore their powers and the messy side of friendships. ⚡🧙‍♀️

The Matrix (1999) - Think of it as a giant tarot deck—Neo’s choices determine his fate in this mind-bending reality. 🕶️💊

Live and Let Die (1973) - Bond's tarot experience gives him the edge to outsmart villains; it's all about fate and danger, baby! 🔫🃏

The Devil's Advocate (1997) - The ultimate battle of good vs. evil, with tarot adding layers of temptation and deception to the mix. 😈⚖️

The Mummy Returns (2001) - Who knew tarot could be a map to ancient magic? This adventure intertwines destiny with mystical fun. 🏺✨

The Dead Zone (1983) - A guy wakes up from a coma with psychic powers—basically a walking tarot deck revealing tragedies. 🥴🔮

The Gift (2000) - A psychic woman using tarot to solve a murder? Yes, please! The cards are a game changer for uncovering dark secrets. 🕵️‍♀️🖤

The Love Witch (2016) - Tarot is the ultimate love compass in this enchanting quest for romance; it’s a spellbinding ride. 💖🔮

The House of the Devil (2009) - Tarot cards hint at some seriously creepy stuff in this horror flick—just don’t ignore the signs! 👻🃏

The Witches of Eastwick (1987) - Witchy shenanigans are afoot! Tarot helps the ladies navigate their newfound powers in style. 🧙‍♀️✨

The Skeleton Key (2005) - Tarot adds a twist to this supernatural thriller, hinting at fate and transformation along the way. 🔑👻

The Tarot Card Mystery (1935) - A vintage mystery where tarot cards reveal secrets—definitely ahead of its time! 🃏🔍

The Witch (2015) - A haunting exploration of fear and isolation, with themes echoing tarot’s focus on the unknown. 🌌😱

The Sorcerer’s Apprentice (2010) - Magic meets fate in this fun adventure; think of it as a magical tarot experience! ⚡️🧙

The Haunted Mansion (2003) - Tarot cards pop up as quirky tools to navigate spooky secrets—who doesn’t love a ghostly adventure? 👻🏰

The Seventh Seal (1957) - A classic that dives deep into mortality and fate, reminiscent of tarot’s existential vibes. ⚔️🕊️

The Brothers Bloom (2008) - Tarot elements add complexity to sibling dynamics; it’s all about finding purpose in the chaos. 🃏��

The Final Destination (2000) - If that ain’t a tarot-inspired fate, I don’t know what is! Choices lead to some wild outcomes in this thriller. 💀🎲

The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo (2011) - Dark secrets are unearthed, much like the revelations from a tarot reading. Intriguing, right? 🔍🖤

The Rites of Spring (2011) - A horror flick that vibes with sacrifice and fate, echoing the symbolism found in tarot cards. 🌱🔪

The Man Who Knew Too Much (1956) - Tension and unpredictability—this plot screams tarot vibes as life’s mysteries unfold. 🎭🔎

The Illusionist (2006) - A magician’s journey that parallels tarot’s mystical essence as he navigates love and fate. 🎩💫

The Others (2001) - Creepy atmosphere and hidden truths? Yep, tarot’s got that covered, too! 👻🔮

The Craft: Legacy (2020) - A fresh take on the original that dives into friendship and power through the lens of tarot and witchcraft. 🔮✨

The Fifth Element (1997) - This sci-fi classic combines magic and fate with a dash of humor; it’s like a cosmic tarot reading! 🚀💥

The Lovely Bones (2009) - A supernatural tale where tarot-like elements hint at the unseen and the unknown. 🌌🕊️

The Skeleton Twins (2014) - A dark comedy that touches on fate and family dynamics, echoing tarot’s complex themes. 🎭💔

The Secret of Roan Inish (1994) - Folklore meets mystery; the film explores themes of fate that resonate with tarot’s storytelling. 🏝️🐬

The Last Witch Hunter (2015) - Vin Diesel vs. witches with a side of tarot magic? Count me in! ⚔️🔮

The Psychic (1978) - This film dives deep into the world of psychic phenomena, showcasing tarot as a vital element. 🔮👁️

The Circle (2017) - A social media thriller where hidden truths emerge, similar to what tarot often reveals. 📱🔍

The Lady in White (1988) - A ghost story intertwined with mystery and fate, echoing the essence of tarot. 👻💔

The Stars Are Right (2016) - A quirky indie film that explores fate and destiny, capturing the spirit of tarot. 🌌✨

The Cat's Meow (2001) - A mysterious film where tarot serves as a lens through which the story unfolds. 🎩🔮

The Amityville Horror (1979) - Ghostly encounters hint at fate and the unknown, reminiscent of tarot's spooky vibes. 🏠👻

The Talented Mr. Ripley (1999) - Themes of identity and fate intertwine, much like a complex tarot spread. 🎭🔪

The Cabin in the Woods (2011) - A meta-horror film that plays with fate and choices, echoing the unpredictability of tarot readings. 🏕️🔮

The Golem (2018) - A mystical tale that explores themes of creation and fate through the lens of folklore. 🏺🌌

The Tenth Victim (1965) - A blend of sci-fi and existential themes, featuring fate and choices akin to tarot narratives. 🎯🔮

The Last House on the Left (1972) - A horror classic where fate and revenge intertwine, reminiscent of a dark tarot reading. 🔪😱

The Uninvited (2009) - A supernatural thriller that hints at hidden truths and fate, paralleling tarot’s revelations. 🏠👻

The Beloved (2002) - A haunting exploration of love and loss, echoing tarot's complex emotional landscapes. 💔🔮

The Dreamers (2003) - A film that dives into identity and choice, echoing the themes found in tarot readings. 🌙✨

The Giver (2014) - Themes of choice and fate resonate in this adaptation, mirroring the insights tarot can provide. 📚🔮

The Stendhal Syndrome (1996) - A psychological thriller exploring identity and fate, akin to the symbolism in tarot. 🎨🌀

The Inheritance (2020) - A suspenseful tale where family secrets unravel, showcasing tarot’s ability to reveal hidden truths. 🏡🔍

The Illumination of the Heart (2021) - A story of self-discovery and fate that resonates with tarot's themes. 💖🔮

The Shadow of the Wind (2021) - This adaptation plays with themes of fate and discovery, much like a tarot reading. 📖✨

The Tenth Victim (1965) - A blend of sci-fi and existential themes, featuring fate and choices akin to tarot narratives. 🎯🔮

TV Series

Buffy the Vampire Slayer - Buffy’s journey often mirrors tarot themes of fate and choice, especially with her supernatural challenges. 🧛‍♀️🃏

True Detective - Dark and atmospheric, tarot-like symbolism underscores the show’s exploration of fate and morality. 🌌🔍

The Simpsons - Tarot pops up in humorous moments, revealing the show’s clever take on destiny and future events. 😂🔮

Charmed - Sister witches often use tarot to guide their magical choices and navigate personal dilemmas. 🌟🧙‍♀️

American Horror Story: Coven - The use of tarot enhances the show’s dark themes, revealing secrets and fate in the world of witches. 🔮👻

Supernatural - The Winchesters encounter tarot in their monster-hunting adventures, adding depth to their supernatural quests. 👬🔪

The Chilling Adventures of Sabrina - Tarot plays a significant role as Sabrina navigates the complexities of magic and destiny. 🧙‍♀️🖤

Psychic Detectives - This series highlights real-life psychic detectives using tarot and intuition to solve crimes. 🔍🔮

The OA - The show’s exploration of alternate realities and fate resonates with tarot's deeper meanings. 🌌✨

The Twilight Zone - Various episodes reflect on fate and the unexpected, echoing tarot's insights into human nature. 🌠🌀

Once Upon a Time - The blend of fairy tales and fate often hints at tarot-like themes throughout the series. 📖✨

The Good Place - Philosophical discussions about morality and choice parallel the insights gained from tarot readings. 😇💭

Castle - The detective duo sometimes turns to tarot for insights into their cases, blending humor and mystery. 🔍📚

Dark Shadows - The gothic series often intertwines themes of fate and supernatural elements akin to tarot. 🌙🦇

Twin Peaks - The series’ exploration of dreams and hidden truths resonates with the mystique of tarot readings. 🌌👁️

The Simpsons - Tarot gets a playful nod in various episodes, reflecting the show’s irreverent humor about fate. 😂🃏

Shadowhunters - The characters explore destiny and choice in a world filled with supernatural elements, echoing tarot themes. 🌌🗡️

The Secret Life of the American Teenager - Characters often face choices that mirror the dilemmas found in tarot readings. 🏫💔

The Sopranos - Characters navigate fate and morality, exploring themes that resonate with tarot’s insights. 🔫💭

The Expanse - Choices and destinies intertwine in this sci-fi epic, mirroring the complexity of a tarot spread. 🚀🔮

The Haunting of Hill House - Themes of grief and fate resonate deeply, akin to the revelations found in tarot readings. 👻💔

The Mentalist - The protagonist’s observational skills often mirror the insights one might gain from tarot. 🕵️‍♂️🔮

The Umbrella Academy - Themes of family, fate, and destiny play out in wild ways, much like a tarot deck in action. 🌈🦸‍♂️

The Vampire Diaries - Characters often face choices that echo the dilemmas and fates seen in tarot readings. 🧛‍♀️💔

The Blacklist - The use of intuition and uncovering secrets parallels the insights gained from tarot. 🕵️‍♀️🔍

The Office - Tarot makes a quirky appearance, offering a humorous take on fate and decision-making. 😂📋

The Simpsons - Tarot gets a playful nod in various episodes, reflecting the show’s irreverent humor about fate. 😂🃏

The Big Bang Theory - Characters often joke about tarot, providing comedic insights into fate and decisions. 🧑‍🔬🎲

The X-Files - Paranormal elements and investigations often touch on themes akin to tarot’s mysteries. 👽🔍

The West Wing - Political decisions and moral dilemmas resonate with themes found in tarot readings. 🏛️💭

The Good Wife - Legal battles and ethical choices reflect the complexities of fate and decision-making, much like tarot. ⚖️💔

The Middle - Everyday choices in family life often resonate with the relatable dilemmas seen in tarot spreads. 🏠💖

The Secret Life of the American Teenager - Characters face life-altering decisions that echo the themes found in tarot readings. 🏫💔

The Affair - Complex relationships and moral choices explore themes of fate that resonate with tarot’s insights. 🌊💔

The Good Fight - Legal drama intertwined with moral complexities, showcasing themes of fate and choice akin to tarot. ⚖️🔮

The Amazing Race - Contestants face challenges that mirror the unpredictability of tarot readings and fate. 🌍🏃‍♂️

The Neighborhood - Light-hearted comedy that often touches on fate and friendship, echoing themes found in tarot. 🏡💖

The Big Bang Theory - Characters explore humor and fate, providing a light-hearted take on tarot’s deeper meanings. 🎲😂

The Goldbergs - Family dynamics and nostalgic themes often resonate with relatable dilemmas seen in tarot readings. 🏠💖

The Resident - Medical dramas often explore moral dilemmas, reflecting the complexity of choices found in tarot. 🏥💔

The Good Place - Philosophical discussions about morality and choice mirror insights gained from tarot readings. 😇💭

The Wonder Years - A nostalgic exploration of life’s choices and fate, echoing the themes seen in tarot. 🌼💭

The Flash - Time travel and choices intertwine, reflecting themes of fate and destiny akin to tarot narratives. ⚡🕒

The Last Man on Earth - A humorous take on survival and fate in a post-apocalyptic world, echoing the themes found in tarot. 🌍😂

The Fall - A psychological thriller where the interplay of fate and morality resonates with tarot’s deeper meanings. 🕵️‍♀️💔

The Expanse - A complex narrative where fate and choices intertwine, much like a tarot spread. 🌌🔮

The Haunting of Hill House - A deep exploration of grief and fate, paralleling the revelations often found in tarot readings. 👻💔

The 100 - Survival and moral choices mirror the complex themes seen in tarot readings. 🌍🔪

The Mandalorian - Destiny and choice play significant roles as characters navigate a galaxy filled with uncertainty, echoing tarot’s themes. 🌌⚔️

The Walking Dead - The show dives into choices and fate in a post-apocalyptic world, reflecting the unpredictability of tarot. 🧟‍♂️🔮

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heroesriseandfall · 1 year ago

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Canonical Batfamily Birthdays

Here are all the birthdates I know of that are canon somewhere in DC, with a preference for the main comics continuities. I have included exact sources and image references when possible. I am not including character introduction dates, just actual birthdays.

If you find any other sources for Batfamily birthdays, please do share!

A moment of silence for Batfamily characters who don’t have canonical birthdays yet, so far as I know. This includes Damian Wayne, Stephanie Brown, Duke Thomas, and more. :(

Summary

Source images will be further down, but here’s an overview in roughly age order (I’m not sure of Kate vs Selina’s ages) with the dates the birthdays were introduced and used:

Tim Drake: July 19th (from 2003)

Jason Todd: August 16th (from 2004)

Cassandra Cain: January 26th (from 2002)

Helena Bertinelli: February 14th (in the Batman: The Brave and the Bold universe, from 2010)

Helena Wayne: September 7th (from 1984), potentially October 20th or the 22nd of unknown month or maybe October 22 or maybe Feb 28th (all the New 52 on passports from 2011-2012). These could also be New 52 Helena Bertinelli’s birthdays or nobody’s birthdays. who even knows.

Dick Grayson: March 20th (from 1995), October ~24th ish (from 1990), November 11th (from 1976), December 1st (on Earth-16 in animated Young Justice universe, from 2012)

Barbara Gordon: September 23rd (from 1976), sometime in fall (from 1987)

Selina Kyle: March 14th (from 1976)

Kate Kane: January 26th (in Batwoman TV series from 2020), March 21st? (word-of-god by J.H. Williams III from 2012)

Bruce Wayne: October 7th (from 2021), February 19th (from 1970s various to more recently), April ~7th (from the late 1940s)

Jim Gordon: January 5th (from 1976)

Alfred Pennyworth: April 8th (from 1976), August 16th (in the Injustice: Gods Among Us universe, from 2016)

Note: in this post when I say “main comics continuity(s)/universe” I’m referring to anything that’s been a “home” continuity for the comics at some point. For example, pre-Crisis Earth-2, Earth-1/New Earth, and Earth-0/Prime Earth, as opposed to Elseworlds or DCEU earths that are still part of the broader DC multiverse but have never been the primary continuity of the comics.

Below are further details and source panels.

Details and Sources

Tim Drake

Tim has only been given one canon birthday. He turned 16 on July 19th in Robin Vol. 2 #116 (cover date Sep 2003).

Robin Vol. 2 #116 (Sep 2003)

Jason Todd

Jason turned 18 on August 16th in Detective Comics #790 (March 2004). This is his only canon birthday.

Detective Comics #790 (Mar 2004)

In post-Crisis/preboot (1986-2011) continuity, there was a gap of six months between when Jason died and when he was resurrected (Batman Annual 25). Jason died April 27th according to his death certificates in Batman Annual 25 and Batman Files 2011, so he would’ve resurrected near late October.

Batman Annual 25 (May 2006)

So, it could be that post-resurrection Jason is biologically 6 months younger than he chronologically should be. But honestly, do we even really know what multiverse-breaking resurrection punches and then a Lazarus Pit on top of that do to someone’s body??? Either way it’s just much more simple to just use his chronological age.

Cassandra Cain

Much like Tim and Jason, Cass has only ever been given one birthdate: January 26th from Batgirl Vol. 1 #33. With that birthday, she turned 18 in Batgirl Vol. 1 #37.

Batgirl Vol. 1 #33 (Dec 2002)

When Jan 26th actually comes, Bruce suggests David Cain could’ve lied about it, but Cass denies that idea and continues to treat the day as her birthday.

Batgirl Vol. 1 #37 (Apr 2003)

Why it's likely her real birthday: Bruce initially believes Cain must’ve lied because he doesn’t think Cain could’ve known her birthday. However, we later learn Cain had lied about her origins and was actually her biological father. Batgirl v1 #62 and #73 show he was there for her birth and could absolutely know the date.

On top of that, in Batgirl #37 Cass remembers celebrating her birthday with him as a child, so he did seem to actually keep track of it. I honestly don’t see any reason to believe he’d lie (Bruce is just a jealous spoilsport).

Helena Bertinelli + Wayne

I’m combining them here because the New 52 gives me a headache.

Helena Bertinelli celebrated her birthday on February 14th in a spin-off comic from the animated Batman: The Brave and the Bold series. This is obviously not part of regular comics continuity and the characters differ from the usual comics in many ways. And yet, for reasons that will soon be clear, it’s my favorite for actually being about Helena Bertinelli the Huntress and for not being an utter mess.

Batman: The Brave and the Bold #14 (Apr 2010)

In a character profile at the end of Infinity Inc. #7 (Oct 1984), Helena Wayne’s birthday was September 7th, 1959. Calculating back from October 1984, that would make her 25 at the time.

During the New 52, Helena Bertinelli was initially portrayed as a long-dead (secretly alive but don’t worry about it) mobster’s daughter and replaced by Earth-2’s Helena Wayne who got stranded on Prime Earth. This H. Wayne stole H. Bertinelli’s identity in the form of several forged passports and IDs, which had hints toward birthdates. The question is, can we take any of those birthdates seriously, and if so, which birthdates and for which character? (Cue my headache.)

Skip ahead to Dick if overthinking fake passports sounds boring.

When comparing to a real Italian passport, the date on H. Wayne’s fake Italian passport appears to be a birthdate. Note that the fake name is Carol Bertinelli, not Helena. H. Wayne said her IDs were inspired by H. Bertinelli but clearly she’s taking liberties for the IDs so that’s a point toward these being useless for H. Bertinelli birthdays.

Huntress Vol. 3 #1 (Dec 2011)

I don’t recognize the month abbreviation as a real abbreviation, but from the visible letter O I’m going to assume it means October. If it is, then the date is 20 October 1985. Sidenote: a 1985 birthdate during 2011 could put her age at about 26, which is actually quite close to how old she could’ve been based on pre-Flashpoint! 1985 has been given as Helena Wayne’s death year before, so it’s an interesting choice of a birth year for her. (Thanks to DC’s sliding timescale, though, birth years don’t actually mean anything in the comics.)

They don’t show her complete US passport, but I can see a “22” in line where the day of the month should be for her birthdate. This already contradicts the previous passport. This one uses Helena Bertinelli’s actual name, though–does that make it more relevant than the Carol one or this all still ridiculous because of the discrepancies?

Worlds’ Finest Vol. 1 #1 (Jul 2012)

We can try to glean the US passport birth month from the passport number at the bottom. The first two digits (“12” here) indicate the agency that issued the passport. 12 means the Honolulu agency. Right after “USA” is supposed to be the birthdate plus an extra number, in the order of year/month/day with the year being the last two digits of a year. Here we encounter another problem. It says 810228. This would imply her birthdate is 1981/02/28. That’s February 28, 1981. Since the earlier line indicated her birthday fell on a 22nd, this already contradicts itself.

Interpreting a Machine Readable Zone (MZR) on a Machine Readable Travel Document (MRTD)

However, I’d bet comic writers and artists aren’t always well versed in passport numbers (it’s already a stretch for me to bother checking it…). If they put the extra digit before the birthdate instead after, and the date is formatted month/day/year (the most common format in American English, so probably their first instinct), then we can drop the first 8 and it’s 10/22/8[?] with the last digit unknown. This would put her birthday as October 22, sometime in the 1980s. The 22 matches the earlier line, the October might match the previous passport if that really did say October (but contradicts the 20th), and the 1980s year could be 1985 to match the Italian passport.

At the end of the day I’m personally just going to let Helena Bertinelli be a Valentine’s born baby and call it a day, unless/until she gets a better one in the comics. For Helena Wayne I’d easily pick September 7th.

(My question is: did they give the crossbow vigilante a Valentine’s birthday as a Cupid joke??)

Dick Grayson

Dick has probably had the most birthdays of everyone (unless Bruce has more I don’t know about). All of them have their drawbacks.

In a main comics continuity, his most popular and most recent is “the first day of spring” so probably March 20th. This comes from Robin Annual 4 when his mom says she calls him Robin because he was born on the first day of spring. That presents some problems since there are other explanations given for the origin of “Robin,” including that his mom said he was “always bobbin’ along” (Dark Victory #12, page 17) or the original inspiration of Robin Hood (Detective Comics #38, p3).

Robin Annual 4 (Jun 1995)

Before that, in Secret Origins Vol. 2 #50 (Aug 1990), Marv Wolfman wrote a version of Dick’s origins where Dick turned 10 a week before his parents died on Halloween. That would make his birthday October ~24th (presuming that “a week” before Halloween literally means 7 days here).

Secret Origins Vol. 2 #50 (Aug 1990)

The first drawback of the October birthday is that it’s tied to Dick being 10 when his parents die on Halloween. Dick’s age and the date his parents die change a lot depending on the writer (Nightwing Vol. 1 #1 says his parents died June 27th, Dark Victory #8-9 says May, etc.). The second drawback is that few people remember this version of his birthday even exists.

Dick’s birthday is November 11th in Super DC Calendar 1976. Note: Despite being a non-diegetic calendar from almost 50 years ago, this source remains well known and used among comic enthusiasts (including those working at DC). Generally, I would say it should mainly apply just to pre-Crisis continuity, but it is also useful for characters that haven’t gotten updated birthdays ever since (like Roy Harper, Barbara Gordon, or Selina Kyle, for example).

Super DC Calendar 1976

Sidenote: Since Damian doesn’t have a canon birthday, November 11th is favorite to steal for my own fan canon Damian birthday. Dick has plenty birthdays to share and I think it’s cute. @ DC, give Damian and Steph birthdays, they’ve been birthday-less for decades!

Indeed, DC writer Tim Sheridan and editor Mike Cotton debated whether Dick’s birthday was in March or November. They favored March 20th and wrote a birthday scene in Teen Titans Academy #1 (published March 23rd, 2021). The publishing time near Dick’s birthday was intentional, though the date isn’t mentioned within the comic itself.

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The above birthdays were all meant to apply to a main comics continuity at some point. However, Earth-16, better known as the animated Young Justice universe (therefore outside of main comics continuity), says YJ Dick’s birthday is December 1st.

Young Justice Vol. 2 #20 (Nov 2012)

Unlike Helena Bertinelli, Dick has plenty of comics birthdays to choose from, so personally I’ll only count Dec 1st as being the birthday for YJ animated/Earth-16 Dick Grayson until or unless it’s ever mentioned to apply to main comics continuity.

Barbara Gordon

Super DC Calendar 1976 says Barbara’s birthday is September 23rd.

Super DC Calendar 1976

Since then, the only time I recall her birthdate hinted at is in Secret Origins #20 when her adoptive mom says her birthday is in the fall. This could support her birthday being September 23rd.

Secret Origins Vol. 2 #20 (Nov 1987)

Although she has celebrated her birthday on panel since then (the end of Nightwing Vol. 2 #153), she hasn’t been given any other actual birthdate. So I’ll keep September 23rd and call it a day.

Selina Kyle

Super DC Calendar 1976 says Selina’s birthday is March 14th. Once again, although it hasn’t been mentioned within a comic, it’s stuck around in popular consciousness (see: Catwoman actress Zoë Kravitz wishing Selina a happy birthday on March 14th).

Super DC Calendar 1976

Selina celebrated a birthday on panel in Catwoman (2002) #37 but the date was never mentioned. I don’t know of any other reference to her birthday, but my reading of Selina is thus far more sparse than my reading of the others.

Kate Kane

Kate’s birthday options all come from outside of the comics themselves.

In “An Un-Birthday Present,” season 1 episode 11 of Batwoman, a parallel version of her twin Beth had a driver’s license showing her date of birth as January 26, 1990. She and Kate later celebrated their birthdays on an episode aired Jan 26th, 2020. I don’t keep up with live action DC shows so I unfortunately can’t offer a screenshot (if anyone has one or the timestamp, please let me know!).

(I kinda wonder if somebody looked up Batwoman’s birthday for these episodes, saw Batgirl’s (Cass’s) birthday, and just ran with it. Batwoman and a Batgirl sharing a birthday is just. Ughhh.)

In 2012, one of her comic writers tweeted to choose a random date for her birthday and picked March 21st, which so far as I know has never been used as her birthday in comics.

Link to tweet

Bruce Wayne

Bruce’s most popular birthday is February 19th, but his most recent one is October 7th from the digital-only comic Legends of the Dark Knight. I believe that’s the only time October 7th has been referenced, but I’ve heard the animated show The Batman said his birthday was in October (can’t confirm, haven’t watched it recently).

Legends of the Dark Knight #10 (Jun 2021) - Note: two pages have been combined into one for this post

Still, even associates of DC seem to remember his February 19th birthday better. In February 2023, Warner Bro’s Gotham Knights game did a sale for Bruce’s birthday. I’ve also heard the birthday was used in the Gotham TV show, but again, I don’t watch much live action DC shows.

The February 19th birthday appears to come from the 70s and 80s. It’s his birthday in the Super DC Calendar 1976, and in Batman Family Vol. 1 #11: “Suprise, Suprise!” (May 1977). Bob Rozakis (known as DC’s “Answer Man”) said Feb 19th was Bruce’s birthday in the letter column of Detective Comics #494 (Sep 1980).

Letter column of Detective Comics #494 (Sep 1980)

Batman Family Vol. 1 #11: “Suprise, Suprise!” (Jun 1977)

Super DC Calendar 1976

Way back in the 40s, his birthday was in April, possibly April 7th. During a birthstone murder mystery, Bruce says his birthstone is a diamond, which is traditionally the April birthstone.

World’s Finest Comics #33/6 (Mar-Apr 1948): “The 5 Jewels of Doom!”

Star Spangled Comics #91 (Apr 1949) might imply the exact date was April 7th but we’d have to assume the party is on his birthday and that “this month” refers to the publishing month of April. I believe this is where people get the April 7th birthday when they bring it up.

Star Spangled Comics #91 (Apr 1949)

Early April also shines in Batman: Year One where it shows Bruce’s first night out as Batman being either the night of April 6th or the early morning of April 7th (Batman #405). So although the April Bruce birthday hasn’t been used in decades, it’s still a Batman birthday in a way.

I have also heard people say Frank Miller considered Bruce’s birthday to be in November. However, I have yet to find an original source of him saying that, and honestly (just like the “March 21st” birthday for Kate) if he never used it in any canon material I don’t put much weight in that.

Jim Gordon

The only birthday I’ve ever seen for Jim is January 5th from Super DC Calendar 1976.

Super DC Calendar 1976

Alfred Pennyworth

Alfred’s birthday in Super DC Calendar 1976 is April 8th.

Super DC Calendar 1976

In the Injustice: Gods Among Us universe (an alternate reality where the video game of the same name is set in), they show Alfred’s birth certificate, where it says his birthday is August 16th, 1943.

Injustice: Gods Among Us Year Five #26 (Jun 2016)

Maybe you’ll notice that August 16th is Jason’s birthday. A little funny considering the issue features Alfred refusing to share his birthday only for us to learn it’s the same date as Jason’s. Still, annoying. There are so many days in the year! Stop choosing the same ones!

This Alfred birthdate runs into a similar problem Helena’s birthdates did: it’s not part of main comics canon, it’s an alternate universe, so it may not be applicable to the main comics universe.

Note: if we calculate that 1943 birth year from Jun 2016 when the comic was published, that’d make Alfred 72 soon to be 73. Does that mean anything in canon? Probably not, but oh well. Also...token British character born by Windsor Castle? …of course.

Personally, I would rather go with the April 8th birthday than the Injustice one, since Injustice is an alternate universe. Also, outside of the humor of it, the idea of Alfred and Jason sharing a birthday is a bit too much for me. Still, it’s up to people’s own cherry picking.

Chronology

The birthdays in publishing order alongside notable reboots. A soft-reboot refers to reboots that only changed a few details with minor consequences, keeping the overall continuity mostly intact. A major reboot has significant effects on continuity (too many to list).

1935-1986: Pre-Crisis era (Golden Age begins ~1946, Silver Age runs from late 50s--early 70s)

Mar-Apr 1948: Bruce’s birthday is in April

Apr 1949: Bruce has a birthday party on the 7th of “this month”

Skipping a good three decades because I barely even know what’s in there. Sorry lol

Mid 70s to early 90s: Bronze Age era

1976: the super dc calendar says Bruce’s birthday is February 19th, Alfred’s is April 8th, Dick’s is November 11th, Babs is September 23rd, Selina’s is March 14th, Jim’s is Jan 5th

Jun 1977: Bruce celebrates his birthday on February 19th

Sep 1980: letter collumnist says Bruce’s birthday is February 19th

Oct 1984: Helena Wayne’s birthday is on September 7th, 1959

Mar 1986: the major Crisis on Infinite Earths reboot (begins post-Crisis/New Earth era, many previous comics are now considered Earth-2 instead)

Nov 1987: Babs birthday is in fall

Aug 1990: Dick turns 10 a week before Halloween (probably October ~24th)

Sep 1994: Zero Hour soft reboot (Batman and Robin become urban legends so Robin is not allowed on video, Bruce’s parents’ murderer is changed to unknown instead of Joe Chill, Selina is no longer a once-prostitute)

Apr 1995: Dick’s birthday is the first day of spring (probably March 20th)

Oct 2002: Cass learns her birthday is January 26th

April 2003: Cass turns 18 on January 26th

Sep 2003: Tim turns 16 on July 19th

Mar 2004: Jason turns 18 on August 16th

Jun 2006: Infinite Crisis soft reboot (Joe Chill is restored as the arrested Wayne family murderer, Superboy-Prime's punch retroactively resurrects Jason)

Apr 2010: In the Batman: Brave and the Bold universe, Helena Bertinelli celebrates her birthday February 14th

Oct 2011: the major Flashpoint reboot (end of post-Crisis/preboot, begins the New 52 and changes the primary universe to Prime Earth; significant character/timeline changes and erasures)

Dec 2011: Helena Wayne’s fake Carol Bertinelli passport seems to list October 20th as a birthdate

Jul 2012: Helena Wayne’s fake Helena Bertinelli passport lists some 22nd unknown month, Oct 22nd, or Feb 28th birthday

Sep 2012: Batwoman writer J.H. Williams III randomly picks Kate’s birthday as March 21st on Twitter

Nov 2012: Earth-16/YJ animated Dick Grayson celebrates his birthday on December 1st

Jun 2016: In the Injustice: Gods Among Us universe, Alfred’s birth certificate says his birthday is August 16th

Jul 2016: Rebirth reboot (restores some pre-Flashpoint continuity, some characters regain previous histories but now semi-synchronized with the New 52 era)

Jan 2020: Batwoman TV show Kate celebrates her birthday on January 26th

Mar 2021: Writer Tim Sheridan says he & his editor chose March 20th as Dick’s birthday over the November option

May 2021: Infinite Frontier holds all previous continuities as potential canon, restoring more of pre-Flashpoint

Jun 2021: Bruce says his birthday is October 7th in a digital-only comic

Feb 2023: Gotham Knights game has a sale for Bruce’s birthday

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