#I just get sick of seeing it with ships
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clickabletale · 9 months ago
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People who hate on Lance because of shipping and call him a misogynist/misogynistic. I’ll say it, y’all are just fucking weird.
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omnxnom · 6 months ago
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so I watched sonic 3. team sonic definitely met hello kitty in tokyo ✨🎀
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bonus doodles + a sleepover party! 👯‍♀️💝 (from @gaiamoonflayer’s tweet)
I hope u enjoyyyyyy~ <333
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magicpiano · 3 months ago
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Dark AU, Arkham patient! Jazz Fenton.
Sadly, Jazz Fenton is convinced that her brother Danny is still alive, that Phantom didn't kill him, that ghosts are actually sentient and not necessarily evil. Clearly she was brainwashed by Phantom who was pretending to be her brother.
The GIW graciously don't charge her with the crime of violating the anti-ecto act by protecting ghosts as a kindness to her parents who have done so much good work. She is sent to a mental hospital outside of Amity Park because they think she will recover better away from ghosts.
Well Arkham doesn't know what is about to hit it and Jazz is going to do whatever it takes to escape and save her brother.
#i think this could be well combined with arkham patient Jason and Jazz/Jason ship#Maybe Jason senses that Jazz is Important (ghost princess) and they team up to escape together#Jason is happy to have his murder urges turned on people who deserve it#you could take this two ways depending on your taste. Either the bats actually help and realize what is happening OR they are the antagonis#if Jason is there than probably they are antagonists. Even though he was treated okay there in the comics actually#but we can ignore canon for angst if we want#does this one exist yet? I have seen villain jazz and dark jazz but not this specifically#mostly i see AUs where she works at Arkham#some quick content warnings for implied:#psychiatric abuse#medical abuse#psych abuse#Although I am a bit tired of the use of medical abuse in Arkham in canon and fanon.#It would be neat to see it portrayed as a place that actually tries to help people.#Because in canon they do try to make it better!! So it would be interesting if Jazz wasn't abused in the typical way here#instead they ARE trying to help her but they are just WRONG about her 'illness'. It would make things more fucked up actually.#Like wouldn't it be MORE fucked up if she was treated well? If her parents were kind and supportive? Trying to help her 'recover'.#Imagine the Fentons bringing sweets books games to their 'sick' child. The only child they have left. They want her to 'get better'#Wouldn't that be like peak fucked up?#especially because she is a person who believes in psychology so much. yet it betrays her...#jazz fenton#danny phantom#dc x dp#dc x dp crossover#dc comics#dpxdc#dp x dc crossover#dp x dc prompt#batman#arkham asylum
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dogydayz · 2 months ago
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IT'S TIME FOR THE ANNUAL DOGYDAYZ ART POST!! Sorry for being inactive here, for anyone interested, I have a Bsky I use far more often now (DogyDayz there too!). I mostly stepped away from Tumblr because I just felt like my work wasn't exactly meant for this platform, but Scourge being one of my favs who I have VERY specific ideas abt and interps of also contributed. I can't exactly help how particular I am about him (or Fiona), and being a system with both of them as headmates doesn't do much to help either, so I just decided to stick to my friend groups. BUT!!! Here I am to dump some art! If anyone cares at all, I've also gotten super into EXEs and Sonicpastas alongside MaxDesignPro, so if anyone wants to see that art let me know and maybe I'll get more active here!
Anyway, the Metal Sonic featured here belongs to @the_reaplet and is a part of our collaborative RP storyline! The guy who looks real messy with the head bandages is also my anti-Jules interp, who's unique from probably every other interp probably solely because he's not actually a bad person. That art is of him possessing his necromanced body, also part of that storyline with Salsa.
And, yes. My Fiona design has gold eyes. Because it looks better.
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colorfullyminded · 10 months ago
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Okay I cannot believe I'm about to go off like this, but this has been bothering me for awhile, and it's only making me more spiteful. I have been enjoying the influx of Billford art lately. Amazing, great wonderful. What I have Not been enjoying, is the absolute vitriol the Billdip fans have been getting since the influx of TBOB. I was a billdip shipper for awhile. Hell I was a billdip shipper when I was a Parapines shipper-- I liked shipping Dipper with boys. I was also like 14 or 15 at the time. Obviously, if you follow me now, you'll probably notice what my main ship for Dipper is. I grew out of Billdip, and moved on to Pinescone. I have been shipping Pinescone for 10 years. However, not once did I go around saying "Lol, glad I matured and became a better person and shipped something healthier", nor did I post in the billdip tag, condeming people for a fictional ship! And saying mine was better because it was less problematic.
"I'm really glad people stopped shipping Bill and Dipper together. Bill is a 1000 year old triangle demon, and Dipper is 13--" Stop. Repeat what you just said.
"Bill is 1000 year old triangle--"
Repeat that last word to me. "....triangle?" TRIANGLE! I'm sorry what?! This ship is already completely wild enough. You're getting mad at this fictional age gap-- AND BILL IS A FUCKING SHAPE! A FUCKING SHAPE! This ship was weird from the moment GO! And Billford isn't any better. IT'S STILL A SHIP WITH A FUCKING SHAPE! And you're going to sit on your high horse and look down on the Billdip community. On top of it-- they have an age gap too! Bill is still thousands of years old or whatever-- however long it's been, who knows? And Ford was in his 20s or so when he met Bill. That's still a huge, ridiculous age gap-- that Bill could easily use and manipulate; which he did....and then also caught feelings and became a sad ex, but that's beside the point~ Both of these ships are still insane. And again, the bigger thing I think people are just ignoring about these ships--is that Bill is a TRIANGLE! THREE LINES CONNECTED TOGETHER! And this is the hill you're going to die on? ...Cause apparently it's mine. First of all-- as many people pointed out-- Ford Pines did not exist until the second half of the final season. People couldn't ship Fordbill because there wasn't any Ford to introduce.
"Well, even before Ford, I never shipped Billdip! I always disliked it." ...Okay, that's totally fine. Not everyone needs to like or agree on the same ship. Lord knows there's probably people who don't really care for Pinescone either. There's a lot of popular ships that I can't stand. But I'm don't go into a ship tag I don't like, screaming to a void for self validation. I don't go around mocking other people for ships that they had in 2014-- or even still today! It doesn't matter! I did that when I was a kid-- and then realized that was rude, and it was better to just ignore the ships I didn't like and enjoy the ones that made me happy. And grow a community of kind, like minded friends. And listen, I am all for safe spaces and being able to block things that make you uncomfortable. I am not saying people who find the BillDip ship uncomfortable to be idiots or babies or overly sensitive-- or anything like that. I think if something makes you uncomfortable, that is okay and I think it's perfectly fine to blacklist a tag that you don't want to see. I also think it's imperative that people tag things as accurately as they can so people looking at your work can know if one of your pieces has a thing that they don't like-- and therefore can avoid. What I don't appreciate is the fanhate for this ship that is sprouting up like weeds. You can not like something, you can be disgusted by it (I have my Gravity Falls ships I can not stand, nor do I feel comfortable with), but attacking real people for a FICTIONAL SHIP-- two characters who are drawings on a piece of paper and can not be affected mentally, physically or emotionally by fanwork; who still retain the same shape after everything we put them through-- to the point that you send death threats, or threaten to Doxx, or just harass relentlessly, I have always found that more childish and disgusting. You are causing real world pain to people. Me fucking up Dipper Pines is not going to do anything to him-- because he doesn't actually exist. He's a cartoon character. I could squash him and stretch him in Wonka's taffy machine--- I could throw him mock speed at a wall and watch him explode on impact-- but he still exists. He's not dead; I can pick him up and dust him off, and If I wanted-- I could decide that eh, 'Not a scratch on him'. And I'd be right. Because he is a cartoon character, and I am just a fangirl. I can not change anything about him-- I have no ability to make anything I headcanon canon. And even if I was the original artist-- it doesn't change the fact that Dipper would still be nothing more than a creation. A construct of shapes; he can not be hurt or traumatized in a way that leads to real life consequences-- because he is not real. I am not a cartoon character. My friends are not cartoon characters. Artist and Writers who stay in their lane...are not cartoon characters. If you hurt us...it will linger. It will leave a scar. If you can not tell the difference between Fiction and Reality, then I think maybe media might be too much to handle-- and I think you need to really reevaluate yourself.
And just to vent some other things that i keep seeing that are frustrating: You can't claim the twins are only 13-- and then on August 31st go "Happy 20-something Birthday Mabel and Dipper!" And then proceed to drop a picture of them as adults. Well which is it? Do they age or not? Because Gravity Falls showed them canonically aging. If you think the twins age-- then you can't suddenly turn around and go, 'no you can't ship them-- Dipper is a child!' but you drew him as an adult. So sorry, it looks like you can't draw the twins grown up anymore. You claimed they're 13, so better draw them 13 forever--. Aged up stories and works exist for a reason, especially for a fan who grew up on the series. The characters might have grown up alongside them. It's not unlikely for a person to ship Billdip when Dipper is much older.
And on that note, for people who are like 'well older billdip is fine-- it's just people shipping him during the show that deserve to die.' Okay... and like I said, this rant is coming from a recent influx of Billford shippers spitting on Billdip shippers. You know? The TOXIC Old Man Yaoi!
You're still shipping something that is problematic. You are still shipping something twisted and wrong. And I am not judging you. I am here for this divorced arc. I am thriving. But you can't just pick and choose what is and isn't okay. And let me first off explain; if there is something that personally triggers you about a toxic ship, and you want to avoid that-- again, perfectly understandable. Perfectly reasonable. You are the makers of your content space. And I am not judging anyone for that. I want people to be safe. I want people to have a good time in fandom spaces. I want people to not have to deal with the things that upset them or frighten them, or disgust them. But you can not say one is fine, and one is not. They're both bad! They're both toxic. In real life, these ships would both be charged with serious crimes! And yes, there are some crimes that are worse than others, and if you asked me what I thought was more problematic-- I'd say Billdip-- but both of these ships are extreme, and severe in their problematic content. You are still consuming problematic content. If it's a personal thing, that's fine; avoid it. But don't sit there throwing stones from your glass house.
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commsroom · 6 months ago
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this is a sensitive topic for me, so i really hate that i have to make this post, but unfortunately it keeps becoming relevant: stop infantilizing hera, and stop making excuses for it.
"well, she's literally four years old" she's been fully conscious with an adult mind for most of that, awake for most of that, and in multiple places at once for most of that. do you think that is comparable to a child's life experience, or is it maybe representative of something else?
i assume you understand why it would be wrong to call lovelace "literally two" because the fact that she is a clone is textually representative of the trauma she's been through. i also assume you understand why hera occasionally making flippant or frustrated comments about her own struggles living as an AI is different from the text telling you who she is or how you should regard her. it's science fiction, and it's a show that uses science fiction concepts in ways that resonate with real ones. the ultimate fact of the matter is that hera could've been in a lab for 30 years, or for 200 years, in a different setting, and be written the exact same way: as a sheltered, isolated adult woman without real life experiences.
hera is not a child or teenager in a natural stage of development. she is an adult who never went through the usual stages of development or life milestones, who has adult friendships and responsibilities, but who feels she is permanently ill-equipped to handle her life because no one ever taught her how, or gave her the space to make mistakes. if you don't understand why this distinction is important in discussing her trauma, that there are real, adult people who feel the same way, people who feel they've only been alive for four years, women who were never girls... then i really don't know what to say to you.
and i guess i have to say it: it's inherently infantilizing to say her peers see her the same way they see an actual child, or to say she needs them to be parental figures, especially eiffel of all people. "adult women have parents too" not ones that are 30 year old men! and parents have responsibilities to children, even adult children, that are different from the responsibilities two unrelated adults who care about each other have. it fundamentally reframes hera's most equal relationship in a way that diminishes her autonomy within it. (and if you're arguing it's all equal anyway, then what does it add? why don't you consider friendship as important?)
i know some people will dismiss that point because i view eiffel and hera romantically, but i've never argued you have to. if you want to go down that road, it says some pretty awful things about the couple of writers and actors who also view it romantically if you think she was meant to be viewed as a child, much less comparable to his child. you're inventing problems that don't canonically exist.
i just don't understand why you would make it about eiffel at all - and eiffel does not have the right to be a parent; the only thing that will heal his relationship with his real actual child is in relation to his real actual child - instead of discussing what a disabled, isolated, traumatized adult might be able to offer a disabled, traumatized kid. isn't the whole point of hera not being like pryce about breaking cycles? why make her a passive figure in her own story when her entire story arc is about taking control of her life?
there's no utility to this line of thought that doesn't further demean and alienate her, while implying she isn't ready to be a fully autonomous adult person. i don't think most people mean to be ableist, but hera is canonically a disabled woman, and i don't like where that line of thought leads. and yes, she's just a fictional character and can't be hurt by it, but everyone brings some real-world biases to how they engage with fiction. she's written as a marginalized adult person, and her womanhood is textually tied to defense of her personhood and autonomy (as well as a parallel to lovelace, also a marginalized woman.) to paraphrase minkowski - "you are going to show [that woman] some goddamned respect."
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cheaploafs · 5 months ago
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needing to sketch ivy and spite like i need water to survive
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gomzdrawfr · 3 months ago
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big respect for u and ur bisexual ships in this time of woman oc hating 🙏
Ay o7
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sukibenders · 4 months ago
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tw: mentions of harm against women, particularly black women, organ harvesting, and just overall gross treatment towards black women
It's Black History Month and, tell me why, I stumbled upon a fic for Arcane that features the brutalization of black women (Mel and Sky), stealing/harvesting of their organs and bodies for the use of men (and a white man at that), and just all around stuff that is very reminiscent to how black women are/have been treated throughout medical history for decades? Mind you, it was used to fuel the JayVik ship too, makes me sick. If it wasn't some in that fandom fantasizing Mel being SA'd, then it's this. I can't with this fandom.
#it's not all j*yviks who are doing this stuff bc if this or just any misogynistic/noir rhetoric doesn't match what u post than move along#but if you are one of the few (of many) u have problems that need be addressed and should just keep black women out of your mouth#ive only seen screenshots of the fic in question and could barely finish it it was so horrific and disgusting#how could write about blk women being harmed & brutalized in such a way without care? how could u use that pain and torment to fuel#an m/m let alone just to fuel up some weird dynamic between two male characters as if fandom doesn't already#have an issue with the fact that female characters are often used as props or cast aside for male characters#not even getting into how NEITHER jayce nor viktor would even pull the shit that was written in that fic (they'd be DISGUSTED)#and again it is so reminiscent to how black women were often treated against their will by medical fields to expand medical knowledge#without a care for their health and wellbeing it is so sick but even more to see someone use that pain for some twisted form of male gratifi#-cation#again i say why drag in female characters for your mlm ship if you're only going to use them as props? STOP IT!#anti arcane fandom#anti jayvik#(again not all jayviks but still too many where certain aspects of this are common)#arcane mel#arcane sky#tw mentions of sa#tw mentions of harm against women#tw#trigger words#note: apparently the person who wrote this fic is black too....that don't make it better especially during BHM
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triglycercule · 3 months ago
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Thoughts on mtt
they should travel the multiverse together and see and experience a more peaceful life than all of them ever have (⁎˃ᴗ˂⁎)
also they should get to gnaw at each other like rabies infected dogs 🧡🙏
#tricule asks#mtt when the only conflict they have now is with eachother and themselves#or really the conflict with each other is partially caused by themselves too x3#i just think that their character dynamic with each other is so complex and intricate and also very flexible#like you can really go with any route as long as you can justify it and thankfully the mtt have MANY justifications#i feel the only thing limiting that is if i were unable to adapt my mindset to consider them in different settings and emotional states :3#aside from that?!?! mtt are truly infinite in possibilities i will be so for real#they are my favorite characters yes but they are also my favorite instruments to paint a story where the tools creating are also the focus#holy Trio i love the Murder Time Trio i need them all to explode#triglycercule (of course) has ideas for stuff to do for them!!!#was thinking a series of drawings where i just capture moments from their multiverse travels in my mtt take#like in hi3 they sometimes do these art series where the main trio tour different countries and i was thinking that but mtt and multiverse#and then i was thinking of a mttpoly animation meme.......because im stupid and silly like that i love mttpoly#the she was walking around with a loaded shotgun one would be nice to propagandize dust with a gun methinks 😈#also i think making ship animation memes with 3 people instead of 2 would be a wonderful way to experiment#the great part about mttpoly is that because there's 3 of them it never feels stagnant or boring bc if you get sick of 2.....ADD THE 3RD!!!#also also also i was thinking of the mtt meeting the satsujinki or really just the touken-kamui mtt timeline#touken-kamui MY GOAT is remaking the mtt concept which is so so so SOSOSOSO awesome to me#and reading the youtube community posts about it gave me inspiration on this idea i think their reactions to it would be fun to see#and also further elaboration on the satsujunki was given so you know ME (the only touken-kamui's mtt fan) i was overjoyed#the only issue: SCHOOL!!!!!! the bane of everything creative artful and joyful 💔💔💔💔💔💔💔#in an ideal world i would be staying up to draw or write or do a creative project#however this is not an ideal world and i unfortunately have to stay up to do my math and chem homework. it's so over 💔#i swear guys once summer hits......its over for ALL OF YOU......mtt take over beginning june 20th trust#spring break means nothing because i wont be home (to my dismay) i will be forced to go on a family trip 💔💔💔#anyways off to answer all my other asks FINALLY before i begin doing my work because i really feel bad that i answer asks so late 😭😭😭
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It just bugs me when the fandom treats Tails as a baby who has sonic as his daddy. Tails may be younger than sonic, but that doesn't make him a helpless diaper baby that needs sonic to wipe his ass. Tails was living on his own even before he met sonic..he has multiple workshops and creates glorious inventions and kicks badniks ass.
So sick of the infantilization of Tails.
I don't have much to say other than
100%
I'm not really broken up about people making fanon aus or whatever. But the amount of times there's like a new Tailstube or whatever and someone goes "OMG see! This is the proof that Tails is a 5 year old baby boy that Sonic is actively teaching to read and is practically parenting! All sega needs to do now is make him stay home and go to school and act more like Sonic's kid brother!!🥰" while Sonic and Tails are chilling in one of Tails multiple homes that Tails owns and allows Sonic to crash at
Or the amount of animations/comics that give him Cream's speech patterns, make him naive af and oblivious to "adult" things like *checks notes*...kissing(?), a gremlin baby child who can't stand losing games to Sonic, actively say "it's basically canon that Sonic actually owns Tails' shit", claim (incorrectly) that classic Tails was an infant child that Sonic picked up and started raising, etc, meanwhile everyone glazes up op talking about how so super canon that is and how that stuff basically canonically happened...
It's just kind of staggering. To me it could not be more clear of a case of people needing their fanon to be "basically canon" so they can feel like they're justified for liking it and so they can justify alienating people who don't share the same headcanons as their illusionary majority
#sonic the hedgehog#tails the fox#miles tails prower#i just be ramblin#fandom wank#I'm sick of the Tails infantilization as well#People are so possessive over their baby boy Tails headcanons they'll call you terrible names about it if you say it's not canon sometimes#Another one that gets me is when people do it while giving characters autism headcanons#Tails is one of many characters where people will go ''Dawww look the lil autistic baby boy toddler who thinks he can build planes because#big bro Sonic bought him a book on mechanics. he's too young to touch real planes so big bro sonic and big sis amy let him play with toy#planes at home while they're out on adventures with big bro knuckles and Sonic is out flirting with uncle shadow🥺''#I like neurodivergence headcanons but man when people headcanon a character as autistic and then heavily infantilize them it feels a bit🤨#I've also hated seeing it happen to movie Tails because people legit just make up scenes that didn't happen or point at him having reaction#that are no different from movie sonic or movie knuckles and act like he's somehow uniquely naive and childish and the two have to take car#of him#It's like for some people Tails only exists as this ideal cute baby brother who exists for everyone to take care of#Although I'm ngl I think some of this attitude is definitely fueled by people who (without necessarily saying so) benefit by infantilizing#him so they can either feel morally good shipping him with the characters they want or so they can keep him out of the way of other ships#between main cast members (with the plus of bullying people who like those ships they don't)#anon interview#anyhow thanks for the ask anon!☺️
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v-idols · 6 months ago
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I don't even think of shotas as "kids". Whenever the age of a character comes up, it's basically irrelevant to me. I just like the characters because they're cute...
"What is it a drawing of?" A bug eyed creature with a giant head ? I'm not sure anti-ship have seen a real child before, because the types of characters I like don't look anything like a real person.
A drawing can't be hurt anyway, so I don't understand what's the big deal. I think calling everyone they don't like a pedophile is a lot more damaging than whatever the content they dislike is. ┐⁠(⁠´⁠ー⁠`⁠)⁠┌
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andiv3r · 5 months ago
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Having to block everyone who has "wincest dni" in their bio not because I ship wincest (because I have come to the conclusion that I actually don't) but because I do think it'd be fun to poke around at the very real weirdness of their relationship that I've noticed in the show so far. And I'm 99% sure that my poking around will get seen as shipping.
#andiv3r rambles#incest mention#stupid because i Don't ship them. i dont want them to kiss or whatever i just think they're Weird and would like to acknowledge that#and maybe play around with it . and try to figure out what the fuck is going on.#but nobody in any fandom wants to play anymorree#like im sorry they're weird. im sorry they got repeatedly assumed to be a couple just within the first and second season#and then compared to bonnie and clyde. and then !#. “an old married couple.”#and also there was the “just brothers” comment which i've spent so long ranting about that i'm sure all my friends are sick of hearing about#how what i'm sure was some writer's intention of doubling down on the “look they're SO not having weird gay incestuous feelings for one#another“#MAJORLY backfired and instead implied that the incest was more of a possibility. whereas just about ANY other phrasing wouldn't have.#i dunno. i dunno! once again i don't ship them . but i do think they're weird about one another. codependent maybe? dean specifically says#that he couldn't continue living if sam dies. they both try to sell their own souls to keep the other one alive#which again!! doesnt imply incest necessarily!! but it does imply Weirdness! they ARE weird!#probably a lot to do with their upbringing. but like. they are Weird. they behave strangely and act like they Need one another#which is Not normal for a sibling bond 👍#but yeah . yeah i'm rambling now. it's whatever.#tl;dr i don't ship them but their relationship is Canonically Weird And Abnormal and i think it's unfair to ask me to ignore that#and just go “haha they're so Brother. they're so Regular Normal Sibling.” because they're Not#they have that sibling bond that makes me go “aha#these are clearly brothers“#but then they say and do shit that makes me just want to grab the nearest person and scream ARE YOU SEEING THIS SHIT#WHAT DO YOU MEAN “she knows your weakness. it's me” STOP SAYING THINGS LIKE THAT TO YOUR BROTHER. THAT'S NOT NORMAL!!!!#. ahem. anyway. yeah. sorry#i can't wait till i get to later seasons and castiel shows up because i've heard im going to Like him#and also because Gay People#but for now i'm rotating sam and dean around in my mind in a microwave and Wishing i could put them in therapy together#because they Need to learn how to not be so strange and odd about one another in an unhealthy way
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dykephan · 23 days ago
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new follower here and went on a deep dive on your blog just now. really enjoy the views you shared!! i just want to pop in and say i am also high-key very pissed that they didn't end the show/era with a genuine hug especially after seeing Dan took a pic with Tommy with his hand around his waist...like normal people...? why are they like this?
don'tttttt get me started omg the way they ended tit still makes me sad to think about and the thing with tommy felt like rubbing my nose in it 😭 the entire theme of tit was that cringe is dead, sincerity is in, and they're healing the parasocial relationship between us and them while also recognizing that there's a certain level of weirdness between us that has always been there and always will be, but they've made peace with it and look forward to the future. then they just. ended the show. with no set, no props, no special guest, no speech, and no hug.... like man....
did they not want to hug in front of us because they think we're salivating over it like crazy twelve year old fangirls or something..? i really thought we were past that :(
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kindaasrikal · 10 months ago
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Love deeply platonic relationships where two individuals are practically platonic soulmates who care for each other deeply and have changed each other’s life significantly.
Hate it when the fandom sees is as romantic tho.
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hitachiincest · 7 months ago
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why is it that when 2 normal charas so much as Smile to each other or have a touching scene the entire fanbase is like OMG SHIP SHIP THEYRE SO IN LOVE, RIGHT? LOOK @ THEM KYAA
but a problematic pair (be they the obvious twincest bait or 2 charas w an age gap or complicated circumstances or are siblings/sibcon bait etc) will have a scene where they're nearly abt 0.2 secs from making out &/or are speaking/showing their love for one another to a point that's far beyond platonic in nature (maybe even featuring fanservice), are so very clearly openly Flirting with each other/have blatant romantic or sexual tension, &/or are framed in a romantic/sexual light in general etc etc & everyones like no omg they're just normal siblings/family or teacher-student/parent[coded]-child or whatever etc :// u guys r freaks WHAT how r they shippy in any way :// how tf r u shipping them wha huh.
like why is it that when the ship is problematic, people are like
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